Mock Draft from NFLDRAFTCOUNTDOWN 12/20

[Coogs]

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com

I like their mock drafts because they throw in comments as well. Pretty good draft site overall too.

Has Jake Long falling to us at #7.

[Mr. Laz]

1. MIAMI DOLPHINS GLENN DORSEY
DT | L.S.U. | Scouting Report
Schematically Dorsey isn't a perfect fit for the hybrid defense that Dom Capers runs but he is the type of impact defensive linemen that the Dolphins need which is why he gets the nod. Dorsey is extremely strong and active with a non-stop motor and in Miami he would play
inside in the 4-3 and shift outside to end in the 3-4, much like he does in college. Jake Long will garner strong consideration here as well but even though he would certainly upgrade Miami's offensive line that unit has played much better than expected so it may not be quite as big of a concern as some might think.


2. ST. LOUIS RAMS CHRIS LONG
DE | Virginia | Scouting Report
The defense continues to be a problem for St. Louis so they use this opportunity to select the top defensive end available. Leonard Little is still a factor but he's getting older and is coming off a season-ending injury while James Hall is solid but certainly nothing to write home about on the other side. Similar in some ways to former Ram Grant Wistrom, Chris Long is a terrific all-around end who is effective as both a pass rusher as well as against the run. Jake Long might be a possibility here as well since Orlando Pace is 32-years-old and has played in just 9 games since the 2005 season.

3. NEW YORK JETS DARREN MCFADDEN
RB | Arkansas | Scouting Report
This may end up being the ultimate battle of Talent vs Need. On one hand the Jets already have Thomas Jones, who is a very solid NFL running back, but McFadden is the best player in this draft and could be a real difference maker. On the other hand Chris Long is a perfect fit for the Jets 3-4 scheme and could be the impact defensive lineman they have been searching for while Jake Long is also a safe pick who would help shore up their troublesome offensive line. If McFadden is still available here this selection has the potential to develop into one this drafts most intriguing storylines.

4. ATLANTA FALCONS MATT RYAN
QB | Boston College | Scouting Report
With Bobby Petrino out of the picture there will be less pressure on the Falcons to pick Brian Brohm and they'll be free to take the guy who most feel is the consensus top quarterback available, Matt Ryan. In terms of physical tools (size, arm strength) Ryan easily earns passing grades and fits the profile but he certainly is not "special". What separates Ryan from the pack though are his intangibles and let's just say his nickname isn't "Matty Ice" for nothing. I don't think there is any question Atlanta has to be looking quarterback with this selection and in this scenario they land the best.

5. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (f/SF) JAMES LAURINAITIS
ILB | Ohio St. | Scouting Report
Talk about the rich getting richer!!! If the Patriots do wind up with a Top 5 pick their options would be virtually unlimited but based on need James Laurinaitis makes the most sense. A great all-around linebacker who may be just a notch below where A.J. Hawk was as a prospect coming out, Laurinaitis also has the type of intangibles that have helped make the New England organization so successful. Laurinaitis would be an ideal replacement for Tedy Bruschi, who is nearing the end of his career. Jake and Chris Long might also be possibilities and you can't rule out Darren McFadden either.

6. BALTIMORE RAVENS BRIAN BROHM
QB | Louisville | Scouting Report
After a long and distinguished career it sure looks like the end of the line for Steve McNair, at least in Baltimore, which means the Ravens will be in the market for a new quarterback next offseason. There still seems to be quite a bit of mixed opinion on how Brohm projects as a pro prospect but he is more prepared to step in and start right away at the next level than André Woodson is which tips the scale in his favor. Physically Brohm is adequate across the board and while Matt Ryan is the safe pick and Woodson has the most upside Brian probably falls somewhere right in between.

7. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS JAKE LONG
OT | Michigan | Scouting Report
The offensive line, which was once a team strength, has now become a liability so it's time for the Chiefs to invest a premium pick on a stud up front. I honestly have a hard time seeing Jake Long falling this far but if he does this is a no-brainer for the Chiefs. There is little or no doubt that Long is the top offensive lineman available this year but there's been some debate as to whether he is a left tackle or if he will have to move to the right side as a pro. Regardless of where he lines up Long is a terrific blocker who falls somewhere in between Joe Thomas and Levi Brown as a prospect.

8. OAKLAND RAIDERS VERNON GHOLSTON
DE | Ohio St. | Scouting Report
Everyone knows that Al Davis has always had an affinity for rare athletic specimens and Vernon Gholston certainly fits that bill. A physical marvel with a chiseled 6-4, 264 lb. frame and 4.6 speed, Gholston isn't merely a workout warrior because he has the production to go along with those measurables, tallying 29.5 TFL and 21.0 sacks the past two seasons. Able to project to either defensive end in a 4-3 scheme or outside linebacker in a 3-4, Gholston would be an excellent fit in the Raiders defense. Darren McFadden, Jake Long and Chris Long would all get some consideration here as well.

9. CINCINNATI BENGALS SEDRICK ELLIS
DT | USC | Scouting Report
For the second straight year the Bengals have been one of the most disappointing teams in the league and a lot of that can be attributed to their porous defense. One area that needs to be upgraded is the interior of their defensive line, where Domata Peko and John Thornton just haven't gotten the job done. Sedrick Ellis is a classic 3 technique who can be disruptive in the middle and perhaps more importantly he also has the type of character and intangibles that this troubled franchise so desperately needs. One way or another look for this selection to be used on an impact defender.

10. CHICAGO BEARS ANDRÉ WOODSON
QB | Kentucky | Scouting Report
All of the sudden the Bears seem to have a whole lot of needs but quarterback still takes precedence over all of them. Whether or not one of the "Big 3" of Ryan, Brohm and Woodson will still be available here remains to be seen but they'd almost have no choice but to jump all over one of the signal callers if given the opportunity. They could opt to go the veteran route with someone like Donovan McNabb too though... He isn't quite as polished as either Ryan or Brohm but Woodson has a higher upside and with some good coaching he just might end up being the best pro of the bunch.

11. ARIZONA CARDINALS MIKE JENKINS
CB | South Florida | Scouting Report
They took a step forward in their first year under Ken Whisenhunt but there is still a lot of work to be done in Arizona and the reality is they could go in any number of different directions with this selection. The offensive and defensive lines will receive strong consideration here but the Cardinals pass defense still ranks in the bottom third of the league so it might be tough to pass on the top senior cornerback in the draft. Jenkins appears to have all the physical tools you look for in a corner and by bringing him into the fold it could free them up to move Antrel Rolle inside to safety.

12. DENVER BRONCOS KEITH RIVERS
OLB | USC | Scouting Report
With longtime stalwart Al Wilson out of the picture due to injuries the Broncos were forced to revamp their linebacking corps this year and even though D.J. Williams and Ian Gold have been their usual productive selves Denver still needs an upgrade at the other spot. Keith Rivers doesn't have the ideal size or bulk that you look for in a linebacker but that has never been a big issue for the Broncos. In fact, Rivers could conceivably play the middle in Denver's scheme which would allow them to move D.J. Williams back to the strongside where he had been so successful early in his career.

13. CAROLINA PANTHERS KENNY PHILLIPS
S | Miami (FL) | Scouting Report
You could definitely make the case for a quarterback here but assuming John Fox is brought back he'll be firmly on the hot seat in 2008 which means he won't be able to afford to start a rookie signal caller or use this pick on someone who won't make an immediate impact. It looks as if the Panthers got a steal in their trade with the Bears for Chris Harris but the spot opposite him could certainly be upgraded and Phillips is far and away the premier safety available this year. He may not be in quite the same class as Sean Taylor or Ed Reed but Phillips is a great playmaker and a top prospect.

14. DETROIT LIONS JEFF OTAH
OT | Pittsburgh | Scouting Report
The George Foster experiment has been a colossal failure and the Lions once again have one of the worst offensive lines in the entire league. Jeff Otah is still very raw and only has two years of DI experience but he has mind-boggling size ( 6-6, 340 ) and great athleticism with almost unlimited potential. In college he played left tackle and did a fantastic job but he might have to move to the right side at the next level and a good way to think of him would be as a poor-man's Jake Long with more long term upside. Cornerback is also a problem but they must address that offensive line.

15. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES DESEAN JACKSON
WR | California | Scouting Report
You might be able to make the case for an offensive tackle here but the bottom line is that DeSean Jackson is just too good of a player and too good of a fit to pass up at this point in round one. Reggie Brown and Kevin Curtis are nice players but Philly could definitely use another playmaker on offense and outside of Darren McFadden there isn't a more dynamic weapon in this draft than Jackson. Similar in many ways to Ted Ginn, Jackson may not be quite as fast but he is more polished as a receiver and an even better return man, which is an area where the Eagles need to upgrade.

16. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS MALCOLM JENKINS
CB | Ohio St. | Scouting Report
Despite signing Jason David last offseason the Saints still rank near the bottom of the league when it comes to pass defense and they need another top cornerback to team with Mike McKenzie. Malcolm Jenkins isn't an elite Deion Sanders/Champ Bailey type of prospect but he has all the physical tools you look for in a corner, although some feel his best position may ultimately be safety. The next in a long line of great Buckeye corners, Jenkins will try and add his name to a list that includes names like Antoine Winfield, Ahmed Plummer, Nate Clements, Chris Gamble and Ashton Youboty

17. BUFFALO BILLS MALCOLM KELLY
WR | Oklahoma | Scouting Report
Since Marv Levy returned to the organization the Bills have done a pretty good job of building though the draft but they still need to find another offensive playmaker, regardless of whether it's J.P. Losman or Trent Edwards under center. Lee Evans is one of the premier receivers in the league but beyond him the cupboard is relatively bare, with a bunch of #3 and #4 types inhabiting their depth chart. Even though he lacks elite timed speed Malcolm Kelly has excellent size end has proven himself to be a big play threat the last couple of years and he'd be a perfect compliment to Evans.

18. HOUSTON TEXANS RYAN CLADY
OT | Boise St. | Scouting Report
As usual the Texans still have a gaping hole at left tackle and you wonder if this will finally be the year they address it once and for all with a first round pick. If that's the direction they want to go they would be extremely fortunate to find Ryan Clady still on the board. At 6-6 and 317 pounds Clady has that rare mix of size and athleticism needed to neutralize elite pass rushers and protect the blind side in the pros, which is why he could easily be long gone by this point. The secondary is also an issue for the Texans and they couldn't go wrong with a top safety or cornerback here either.

19. WASHINGTON REDSKINS CALAIS CAMPBELL
DE | Miami (FL) | Scouting Report
Many felt the Redskins would look to address their defensive line with the #6 pick in the 2007 NFL Draft and while you certainly can't criticize their selection of LaRon Landry from a value standpoint the fact remains that they still need an impact guy up front, whether it be at end or tackle. Andre Carter is solid on one side but Phillip Daniels is nearing the end of his career and their depth is lackluster at best. A huge (6-8, 280) pass rusher who can also hold his own versus the run, Campbell has 38.5 TFL and 19 sacks in just 3 seasons and he has the talent to be chosen much earlier.

20. TENNESSEE TITANS LIMAS SWEED
WR | Texas | Scouting Report
The Titans have done a great job of building through the draft in recent years but one exception has been their efforts at wideout, where despite investing a bunch of picks on the position they have yet to really have one pan out. Tennessee needs to get Vince Young some targets to throw to so why not go back to his alma mater and nab his old favorite receiver. Limas Sweed had his senior season cut short by a wrist injury but he has great size, excellent intangibles and is still the top senior wideout available so if he runs well in workouts he could very well be long gone by this point.

21. MINNESOTA VIKINGS DERRICK HARVEY
DE | Florida | Scouting Report
Logic would seem to dictate that the Vikings would select a wide receiver here but there isn't much value left on the board and Brad Childress doesn't believe in taking them in the first round anyway. No team in the league has a better set of defensive tackles but Minnesota's still lacking outside at defensive end. Kenechi Udeze is solid, albeit unspectacular, but Erasmus James is a bust and Ray Edwards continues to be plagued by off-the-field issues. Harvey is a terrific natural pass rusher and a better prospect than Jarvis Moss was a year ago so to land him here would be a real steal.

22. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS JONATHAN STEWART
RB | Oregon | Scouting Report
Yes the Seahawks do still have Shaun Alexander but he has a lot of mileage on his tires and is obviously wearing down. You may also remember that back in 2000 Mike Holmgren drafted Alexander even though they appeared to be set with Ricky Waters at running back. A local Washington product, Jonathan Stewart has everything you look for physically at 5-11 and 230 lbs. with 4.4 speed and when you combine those triangle numbers with his ability to be a threat as a runner, receiver and return man it is not hard at all to see why he will likely be such a highly regarded pro prospect.

23. DALLAS COWBOYS (f/CLE) FELIX JONES
RB | Arkansas | Scouting Report
Since they have two #1 picks the Cowboys can afford to be a little frivolous here, although with Julius Jones set to become a free agent they might need someone to compliment Marion Barber. Most assume that Arkansas alumnus Jerry Jones has his heart set on Darren McFadden but since that is unrealistic he turns his attention to another Hog. Even though McFadden gets most of the attention the versatile Jones is a top prospect in his own right, contributing as a runner, receiver and return man. In '07 he ran for 1,117 yards (9.1 avg.) and 11 TD's despite getting just 123 carries.

24. PITTSBURGH STEELERS GOSDER CHERILUS
OT | Boston College | Scouting Report
Traditionally the Steelers have been known to let many of their free agents leave rather than give them huge contracts and if that holds true they could be losing both Alan Faneca and Max Starks next offseason. It would require some reshuffling of the offensive line but Willie Colon could be moved inside to guard, where many had him projected when he was coming out of college, to replace Faneca and Cherilus could take over for him at right tackle. He has struggled at times as a senior, playing out of position on the left side, but Cherilus has the makings of a great pro right tackle.

25. TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS SAM BAKER
OT | USC | Scouting Report
For the second straight year Luke Petitgout has had his season ended by an injury and at this point in his career he simply cannot be counted on. After Petitgout went down the Buccaneers were forced to insert Donald Penn, an undrafted free agent and waiver wire pickup, into the starting lineup at the critical left tackle position and needless to say that isn't an ideal situation. Sam Baker, who happens to be the son of AFL Commissioner David Baker, is a decent athlete and an excellent pass blocker with a lot of experience who could finally solve Tampa Bay's issues on the blind side.
26. NEW YORK GIANTS
DAN CONNOR
OLB | Penn St. | Scouting Report
The defense continues to be a big problem for the G-Men and while the secondary is still a concern and definitely an area they may look to address here they also have some lingering issues at linebacker. Antonio Pierce is entrenched in the middle and Mathias Kiwanuka appears to be their man on the strongside but Kawika Mitchell is certainly not anything special and could be upgraded. A product of " Linebacker U ", Dan Connor may be a better prospect than Paul Posluszny was a year ago and he's a all-around threat who can be effective both against the run as well as in coverage.

27. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS KENTWAN BALMER
DT | North Carolina | Scouting Report
For the most part the Charges are a team with relatively few holes so it's tough to predict what they might be looking for in round one. With that said they are a little thin along the defensive line when it comes to depth, which is particularly troubling since Luis Castillo has struggled to stay healthy and stud nose tackle Jamal Williams might be the most important player on that entire defense. Prior to his senior year Kentwan Balmer was viewed as an underachiever but he finally began to play up to his potential in 2007. This is probably somewhat of a reach but every draft has one.

28. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS MARIO MANNINGHAM
WR | Michigan | Scouting Report
The Jags front office may have to swallow their pride, go back to the well and draft a wideout in the first round yet again because as it stands now the position is still a major weakness for them. Reggie Williams finally showed some signs of life but Matt Jones has been a bust and will probably be sent packing so a guy like Manningham would make sense. Mario Manningham lacks great bulk but he runs terrific routes, is extremely fast and would be a perfect compliment to their other receivers, providing the Jaguars offense with the deep threat and big play dimension they currently lack.

29. GREEN BAY PACKERS AQIB TALIB
CB | Kansas | Scouting Report
For a while there it looked as though the Packers #1 need was going to be running back but Ryan Grant has done so well down the stretch that we can put that on the backburner for at least another year. The secondary's another story though because they have little or nothing beyond starters Al Harris and Charles Woodson at corner. A big, physical cover guy with fantastic ball skills and a knack for making the big play, Talib isn't the premier prospect that his press clippings might lead you to believe he is but at this point in the first round he'd be a solid pick and a good fit for Green Bay.

30. SAN FRANCISCO 49'ERS (f/IND) EARLY DOUCET
WR | L.S.U. | Scouting Report
For the second consecutive year it looks like wide receiver will be the Niners most glaring need. Credit the team with attempting to address the situation last offseason but Darrell Jackson hasn't lived up to expectations, Ashley Lelie was a complete bust and 3rd round pick Jason Hill has essentially been a non-factor. After biding his time behind two future #1 picks in Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis early in his career Early Doucet finally got his chance to shine as a senior and even though he's been limited by nagging injuries he has shown just enough to remain on that first round bubble.

31. DALLAS COWBOYS LEODIS MCKELVIN
CB | Troy | Scouting Report
The Cowboys may have finally solved their well documented problems at safety but the secondary is still a concern. Terence Newman has developed into one of the top shutdown cornerbacks in the business but Anthony Henry is slowing down and there is talk that he might eventually move to safety so at the absolute least Dallas needs to add some depth at corner. After having so much success with another former Troy Trojan the Cowboys go back to that program to select Leodis McKelvin, who has an ideal blend of size (5-11, 190) and speed (4.45) and is also an excellent return man.

32. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Selection forfeited as part of punishment for violating league rules

[BigRedChief]

no way Jake Long lasts till the 7th pick. Some mocks have him at #2.

[Coogs]

no way Jake Long lasts till the 7th pick. Some mocks have him at #2.

I don't think so either, but if we move up to #4 or so we might have a chance.

[Sure-Oz]

Yeah, if we got Long that would be nice

[Mr. Laz]

I don't think so either, but if we move up to #4 or so we might have a chance.
we just need to lose these last few games and i imagine we will move up several slots.

[Gonzo]

Now they're saying Clady from Boise St.

[Mr. Laz]

they also have rankings without regard to the team picking


Scott Wright's Top 32 Senior Prospects for the 2008 NFL Draft

Player Name Class Position School

1. Glenn Dorsey SR DT L.S.U.
Is one of the finest defensive tackle prospects to come along in years.

2. Jake Long SR OT Michigan
Left tackle who is not quite Joe Thomas but is better than Levi Brown.

3. Chris Long SR DE Virginia
Howie's son has developed into an excellent prospect in his own right.

4. Matt Ryan SR QB Boston College
Off the charts intangibles and physical tools are more than adequate.

5. Sedrick Ellis SR DT USC
A 3-technique who is a much better prospect than Mike Patterson was.

6. Brian Brohm SR QB Louisville
Has the physical tools and the stats but is he a product of the system?

7. André Woodson SR QB Kentucky
Somewhat of a project but has as much upside as anyone in this draft.

8. Keith Rivers SR OLB USC
Undersized but pretty athletic and he even wears #55 for the Trojans.

9. Limas Sweed SR WR Texas
Great size and a big play specialist but timed speed's a question mark.

10. Dan Connor SR OLB Penn St.
Some feel he might be a better pro prospect than Paul Posluszny was.

11. Jeff Otah SR OT Pittsburgh
Very raw but has rare size and hasn't begun to reach his full potential.

12. Mike Jenkins SR CB South Florida
Prospects like this are why the Bulls program is now a national power.

13. Gosder Cherilus SR OT Boston College
One of the better BC offensive line prospects to come down the pipe.

14. Sam Baker SR OT USC
An athletic left tackle who's the son of AFL Commissioner David Baker.

15. John Carlson SR TE Notre Dame
Excellent athlete who is a better prospect than Anthony Fasano was.

16. Early Doucet SR WR L.S.U.
Great athlete who was stuck behind two #1 picks until his senior year.

17. Ali Highsmith SR OLB L.S.U.
Undersized but carries a high grade due to top speed and athleticism.

18. Leodis McKelvin SR CB Troy
The prototype in terms of size / speed and he's also a top return man.

19. Chris Williams SR OT Vanderbilt
Great athlete and potential left tackle who is still coming into his own.

20. Lawrence Jackson SR DE USC
Is not a pure speed or edge rusher but he sure has been productive.

21. Colt Brennan SR QB Hawaii
Super productive but a boom or bust type with many question marks.

22. Adarius Bowman SR WR Oklahoma St.
A productive playmaker who will move up draft boards if he runs well.

23. Tony Hills SR OT Texas
A really interesting prospect with the physical tools of a pro left tackle.

24. Shawn Crable SR OLB Michigan
Still raw but a great athlete and may be a perfect fit for a 3-4 scheme.

25. Antoine Cason SR CB Arizona
Just average speed but has been a productive ballhawk & playmaker.

26. Frank Okam SR DT Texas
Next top Longhorn defensive lineman with terrific size and athleticism.

27. Quentin Groves SR DE Auburn
A 'tweener but he will get after the quarterback as either a DE or OLB.

28. Chad Henne SR QB Michigan
The next great Wolverine QB this guy is battle tested and productive.

29. John David Booty SR QB USC
Doesn't really stand out in any one area but he does everything well.

30. Harry Douglas SR WR Louisville
Lacks ideal size and bulk but is fast and plays a lot bigger than he is.

31. Tommy Blake SR DE T.C.U.
Undersized but he certainly knows how to get after that quarterback.

32. Kentwan Balmer SR DT North Carolina
Quick, athletic playmaker who could also project to DE in a 34 scheme.

[the Talking Can]

2. Jake Long SR OT Michigan
Left tackle who is not quite Joe Thomas but is better than Levi Brown.

any watch Brown play? How's he looked?

i'm trying to figure out what that means "not quite Thomas" but better than Brown....

[Chiefnj2]

2. Jake Long SR OT Michigan
Left tackle who is not quite Joe Thomas but is better than Levi Brown.

any watch Brown play? How's he looked?

i'm trying to figure out what that means "not quite Thomas" but better than Brown....

It's tough to judge. Brown is a RT.

[the Talking Can]

It's tough to judge. Brown is a RT.

eww...so confusing, trying to figure out if Long is a LT or RT...can't spend a top 10 pick on a RT....

[Frosty]

2. Jake Long SR OT Michigan
Left tackle who is not quite Joe Thomas but is better than Levi Brown.

any watch Brown play? How's he looked?

i'm trying to figure out what that means "not quite Thomas" but better than Brown....

When I watched the Seahawks/Cardinals game a couple of weeks ago, Brown was getting absolutely destroyed by Patrick Kerney.

[The Franchise]

It's tough to judge. Brown is a RT.
Yes but I believe that Brown was drafted to be a RT for Leinart. Leinart is a left handed QB....so Brown is essentially a LT in that system.

[Chiefnj2]

Yes but I believe that Brown was drafted to be a RT for Leinart. Leinart is a left handed QB....so Brown is essentially a LT in that system.

He protects his blindside, but will generally face LDEs and not the typical speed rushing RDE's. Would you rather go against Hali or Allen?

[RedThat]

If we don't get Long I think we have a good shot at Sedrick Ellis.

Does anyone know what type of DT suits the cover 2 scheme best? I was reading somewhere where it siad Ellis is a 1 gap DT, and not a 2 gap DT. 3 technique is that good for a cover 2 scheme?

[Wile_E_Coyote]

With parcels in Miami, I reckon Camron won't be taking a long snapper with the #1 overall

[suds79]

If we don't get Long I think we have a good shot at Sedrick Ellis.

Does anyone know what type of DT suits the cover 2 scheme best? I was reading somewhere where it siad Ellis is a 1 gap DT, and not a 2 gap DT. 3 technique is that good for a cover 2 scheme?

Oh here we go. Don't get people started about DTs that fit the cover 2 scheme around here. They'll tell you that the cover 2 calls for athletic, fast, pass rushing DTs and the whole thing makes me sick.

Look at the probowl DTs

Albert Haynesworth - 6'6 320
Vince Wilfork - 6'2 325
Jamal Williams - 6'3 348
Pat Williams - 6'3 317
Kevin Williams - 6'5 311
Tommie Harris - 6'3 295

Only 1 of those 6 guys is under 310.

IMO, just get the big fatties who command double teams and swap them out for DEs on pass rushing downs.

Plus we can't draft DTs anyways. We should just Trade for Shawn Rogers so this needing another DT cr@p would be over.

[Pushead2]

I would like Gholston

[Delano]

No comments about how if this draft were to happen, Gholston could eat Jake Long for lunch for the next several years?

Shame..

[Pushead2]

he's going to be a LB for a 3-4 team.

He would be a good pick for the Pats.

[RP_McMurphy]

Jaguars will not I repeat will not draft a WR. The Jaguars are set with Reggie Williams and Dennis Northcutt as the starters. Backups are Ernest Wilford, Matt Jones, John Broussard and Mike Walker on IR. No they aren't big names but the Jaguars have improved in the passing game as David Garrad has helped big time plus the running game has opened up alot of one on one looks on the outside. The Jaguars will draft either a Defensive End or Strong Safety to keep the defense improving. The only offensive pick I see in the first 3 rounds would be another offensive lineman to replace Chris Naoele as he is getting older and coming off a major knee injury.

[eazyb81]

I'm a lot more intrigued by Ryan Clady or even Jeff Otah. Both guys have more physical tools than Long and have a better chance of developing ton an All-Pro left tackle.

Michigan develops great Olinemen, but they're usually at their ceiling by the time they leave school and don't improve much in the pros. I think Long can be a dominant RT but not sure he would be great on the left side.

[Mecca]

Jake Long will likely start falling by the time the draft rolls around....

And Levi Brown in no way shape or form was worth a top 10 pick. I remember during that draft saying they should take Peterson...gee I wonder who they'd rather have now.

[Mr. Laz]

We should just Trade for Shawn Rogers so this needing another DT cr@p would be over.
oh you mean trade for the guy that Detroit had the ballz to trade up for and we didn't.

:banghead:


i remember that draft ...... people thought it was no big deal back when i was bitching about us not trading up a few spots for Rodgers.


damnit Carl!! :cuss:

[ChiefsCountry]

oh you mean trade for the guy that Detroit had the ballz to trade up for and we didn't.

:banghead:


i remember that draft ...... people thought it was no big deal back when i was bitching about us not trading up a few spots for Rodgers.


damnit Carl!! :cuss:

Dont get me started on that one. I was the same way. Lions gave up a 3rd and 4th and we had mulitple picks at both.

Man that 2001 Draft sucked. There were two players I wanted Brees and Rogers could have had both if we didnt hire Vermeil. :banghead:

[Zouk]

If we don't get Long I think we have a good shot at Sedrick Ellis.

Does anyone know what type of DT suits the cover 2 scheme best? I was reading somewhere where it siad Ellis is a 1 gap DT, and not a 2 gap DT. 3 technique is that good for a cover 2 scheme?

The vocabulary is often misused. Cover 2 refers to the coverage alignment. You can play any kind of defensive front with a cover 2. You can play a 3-4 or a 4-3 with cover 2 behind. So it really doesn't make sense to talk about what kind of defensive tackle you need in a cover 2 defense. But people do anyway. And what they're usually talking about is the defense played in Tampa, Indy, and Chicago where there is a 4-3 front, with defensive linemen having one gap responsibility as opposed to two gap responsibility (which is more common with 3-4 defensive fronts).

1 gappers are better for us.

[ChiefsCountry]

The vocabulary is often misused. Cover 2 refers to the coverage alignment. You can play any kind of defensive front with a cover 2. You can play a 3-4 or a 4-3 with cover 2 behind. So it really doesn't make sense to talk about what kind of defensive tackle you need in a cover 2 defense. But people do anyway. And what they're usually talking about is the defense played in Tampa, Indy, and Chicago where there is a 4-3 front, with defensive linemen having one gap responsibility as opposed to two gap responsibility (which is more common with 3-4 defensive fronts).

1 gappers are better for us.

People get the Tampa 2 confused with the actual Cover 2.

[Zouk]

People get the Tampa 2 confused with the actual Cover 2.

Exactly. And the Chiefs don't play Tampa 2 nearly as much as people think they do.