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Brock
01-25-2008, 01:33 PM
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Senior Bowl: Final analysis
One last stock report now that practices are complete


The practices are complete, the interviews are finished and for the most part nothing but a skeleton crew of NFL scouts remain in Mobile, Ala. All that's left is to play the game and that has little bearing on the draft stock of Senior Bowl players. Here's a quick glance at the prospects that came away from Mobile as big winners as those who did not fare as well.

Stock rising

Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware: Scouts were almost unanimous in their praise of Flacco this week, most claiming he was the only first-round quarterback in attendance. He displayed all the physical skills necessary to lead a team at the next level and flashed brilliance on a number of occasions. Flacco's biggest problem all week were fumbled snaps, something that happened quite often and was the result of the shotgun offense he played in the past two years. NFL insiders feel if Flacco played for a big time program the past two seasons he would be a top 15 selection.

Chad Henne, QB, Michigan: Henne positively answered many of the questions scouts had about his game. He proved himself to be a terrific downfield passer with a good arm. Henne's accuracy was a little inconsistent, something directly attributed to poor throwing mechanics yet something easily correctable. He comes out of the Senior Bowl as a solid second-round choice.

Justin Forsett, RB, California: Forsett started the week on fire and just got hotter every practice. His speed, quickness and ability to create yardage was eye catching. Forsett does not possess the size to be a feature runner at the next level, but he displayed enough versatility as a ball carrier and pass catcher to secure a spot in the third round.

Lavelle Hawkins, WR, California: Hawkins was the best receiver in Mobile, bar none. He showcased natural skills and athletic ability all week, consistently making the easy reception as well as the acrobatic deep catch. Hawkins is being compared to former USC receiver Steve Smith, and like the Giants rookie, he looks like a solid choice in round two.

Dexter Jackson, WR, Appalachian St: Jackson made the most of his one-day practice appearance (filling in for injured Limas Sweed). He's another natural pass catcher who ran razor-sharp routes and caught everything thrown to him. Jackson's punt return skills in the game could further bolster his already improving draft stock.

Mike Pollack, C, Arizona State: Pollack clearly established himself as the top center in the draft with his work in Mobile. His athleticism is impressive for a 300-pound lineman, as is the ease which he moves about the field. NFL teams could take a crack at Pollack in the second round considering the poor crop of centers available in April.

Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC: Ellis was impressive and leaves the Senior Bowl as a top-ten pick. His explosive play, hustle and technique are a terrific complement to the football smarts he showed on the field. Ellis has undoubtedly closed the gap between himself and Glenn Dorsey of LSU, presently rated as the draft's top defensive tackle.

Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M: Bryant's performance this week was a bit of a surprise. He displayed the power he's known for and also showed consistent intensity, something his game lacks. Scouts think the fact that Bryant, who struggled with a knee injury the past two seasons, may finally be healthy has a lot to do with his improved play.

Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn: Lee was one of the few defensive backs who put together a complete week. He displayed skill in man coverage as well as zone. Lee's stock will only improve with fast forty times at the combine.

Stock sliding

Colt Brennan, QB, Hawaii: Brennan had a lot to gain this week but in the end fell short. His poor arm strength is troubling, as it gave defensive backs more than enough time to break up his passes. Scouts feel there is a place for Brennan as a backup signal-caller in a timing offense, yet most agree he presently grades as a mid-to-late round draft pick.

Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky: Woodson's arm strength was not questioned, but his terrible accuracy and pass placement has scouts concerned. His receivers were constantly slowing up in routes or reaching back to grab errant passes. He was considered a potential first-round choice prior to the Senior Bowl, but is now likely to fall out of the initial two frames.

Adarius Bowman, WR, Oklahoma State: Bowman had his troubles from the start, dropping passes daily while displaying minimal speed to his game. He showed signs of improvement during the final day, but it won't be enough to keep him in the draft's first 60 picks.

Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College: Cherilus was expected to have a big week but failed to deliver. He possesses the size and strength to start in the NFL, but his inability to block in anything other than a small area was troublesome. Cherilus now needs a big combine to preserve being a first-round choice.

Terrence Wheatley, CB, Colorado: Wheatley struggled and consistently looked overmatched in practice. He lacks the size to cover the large receivers and did not show the foot speed to keep up with faster wide outs.

Bob Dole
01-25-2008, 01:55 PM
So we'll take Brennan in the first.

Chiefnj2
01-25-2008, 02:01 PM
In an effort to keep final wrap-ups in one thread, here is GBNReport:

The good, the bad and the ugly... The 2008 draft is expected to be rich at both CB and WR and that really showed this week in Mobile. The CBs as a group in particular really showed well led by Tracy Porter of Indiana, Troy's Leodis McKelvin, Chris Godfrey of Iowa and Patrick Lee of Auburn, all of whom played very well. The most intriguing CB in Mobile though may have been unheralded Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie of Tennessee, who actually worked out at FS most of the week, but displayed the athleticism and instincts to be a solid shut down corner, although like a number of other of the top corners, including Porter, he needs to do a better job of finding and reacting to the ball when its in the air. At the same time, though, second-tier prospects like Terrence Wheatley of Colorado, DeJuan Tribble of Boston College, Simeon Castille of Alabama and Chevis Jackson appeared to lack either the pure foot speed or instincts to figure among the top-tier CBs, but did show enough potential to get long looks in the middle rounds this coming April.


The WRs weren't quite as solid this week as a number of them took a day or two to really get going but overall the group scored an above average grade. Forida WR Andre Caldwell, for example, was one of the South's best overall players at any position while Eddie Royal of Virginia Tech, Donnie Avery of Houston, late-arrival Dexter Jacskon of Appalachian State and Harry Douglas of Louisville showed plenty of speed and quickness along with good hands, although Douglas did struggle to catch the ball early on in the week. Jordy Nelson of K-State also fought off a case of the butterfingers early in the week to emerge as a decent underneath target, but lacks the quickness of the other top receivers. The big story at receiver though was the emergence of Cal's Lavelle Hawkins, who probably did more to enhance his draft status than any player in Mobile this week, as a legitinmate first-day prospect. Hawkins was simply uncoverable and caught everything in sight.


While Hawkins may have been one of the Senior Bowl's biggest surprises, Oklahoma State WR Adarius Bowman had to be one of the biggest disappointments. Bowman came to Mobile looking to solidify a first-round grade, if not the top overall rating at WR period, but struggled to get open all week, alhough he did make some underneath receptions. Same story for D.J. Hall of Alabama who seldom got open and dropped the ball the one time he did break free deep.

We didn't get a chance to spend a lot of time watching the TEs, but it was hard to miss Tennessee TE Brad Cottam who at 6-8, 270 was the biggest looking player out there. And Cottam played pretty big also, surprising people with his hands and his ability to get open over the middle, although he'll likely never be a big threat in the seam. Michigan State's Kellen Davis, a sometime DT in college who stuck to offense in Mobile, also made a couple of noteworthy catches, but we didn't see much from the other TEs


We also didn't spend much time studying the RBs as they only get a few touches per day in an all-star setting and the real value of a back only really starts to come into focus until after they've had 12-15 carries. As well, with junior RBs like Darren McFadden and Felix Jones of Arkansas, Rashard Mendenhall of Illinois, Oregon's Jonathan Stewart and Jamaal Charles expected to dominate the top of the position at the 2008 draft, the backs in Mobile were primarily second-tier types. That said, what we did see was some real quickness and explsoion from guys like Justin Forsett of California, Chris Johnson of East Carolina, the one senior who could ultimately figure in the mix of juniors leading the position, and Tashard Choice of Georgia Tech. At the same time, jack-of-all-trades FB types Owen Schmitt of West Virginia, Peyton Hillis of Arkansas and LSU's Jacob Hester showed pretty decent versaility in all three aspects of the FB position.


<>While CB and WR are expected to be deep positions at the 2008 draft, DT is not considered one of the stronger groups this year. Somebody forgot to tell the DTs in Mobile, though, who took turns abusing the interior offensive line. Certainly it was no surprise that USC DT Sedrick Ellis was dominant. Ellis was the highest rated player at any position in Mobile and he left little doubt that he is top 10 talent as he showed quickness and upfield explosion as well as a great motor. Meanwhile, Notre Dame's Trevor Laws appears to have a found a home inside. Laws, who played more of a DE with the Irish, in fact, looks a lot like Ellis in terms of size and plays the game just as hard, but lacks his Southern Cal counterparts overall athleticism. Speaking of playing hard, pro scouts had to be pleased with the effort they saw from Texas A&M DT Red Bryant who also went hard on every play. Bryant still needs to work hard to keep his pads down when bull-rushing, but showed some effective spin moves. For good measure, the often laid back Bryant even got in a couple of fights. Pro scouts also had to like what they saw from Maryland DT Dre Moore. Indeed, Moore who has outstanding physical tools but has been seen at times as something of an out-of-shape underachiever, was almost as dominant and USC's Ellis. Moore isn't very pretty, but is a 307-pound one-gap type DT with quickness who is tough to get out of the hole once he gets a step. Meanwhile, each of Marcus Harrison of Arkansas, Andre Fluellen of Florida State, NC State's Demario Pressley and North Carolina's Kentwan Balmer had his momemts and none did anuthing to hurt his draft status.

On the other hand, this year's Senior Bowl DEs lacked much in the way of star power or consistency. Tweener Darrell Robertson of Georgia Tech and Jeremy Thompson of Wake Forest both kept popping up and making plays, especially in full-srimmage sets, although neither really dominated in individual drills. Same for Virginia Tech's Chris Ellis who made some plays but probably not as many as scouts were expecting. Indeed, the most intriguing DE prospect in Mobile may have been Jason Jones of Eastern Michigan, a 270-pound college DT who really ran the gamut by getting some work at OLB this week where he didn't look totally out of place. While still very raw, Jones has a long first sride which gets him on top of opposing OTs very quickly, as well as an effective swim move although he's one of those players who is going to have to work at keeping his pads down. Meanwhile, neither of DEs Lawrence Jackson of USC nor Wallace Gilberry of Alabama demonstrated much real explosion off the line of scrimmage and got stood up too often for elite pass rushers, while tweeners Cliff Avril and Titus Brown simply got tossed around too much.

LB is another one of those positions that is hard to read in a short all-star game setting. What one saw in drills, for example, was a lot of quickness and athleticism from players like Xavier Adibi of Virginia Tech, Dan Connor of Penn State, Ali Highsmith of LSU and Jordon Dizon of Colorado. Connor, who came into Mobile as one of the top 5 or so rated players in the Senior Bowl , for one, moved extermely well, but also looked very slender - for a LB - in the lower body. On the other hand, 6-5 Shawn Crable of Michigan, as well as converted UCLA DE Bruce Davis, didn't show much in the way of agility, although they had some straight ahead speed and aggression. We were also somewhat underwhelmed by what we saw from Southern Cal OLB Keith Rivers who, like Connor came to Mobile as one the top rated players in the Senior Bowl field, and has a nice size/speed ratio, but disappointed with his instincts, agility and overall effort.

Arguably the most disappointing position at the 2008 draft were the offensive linemen. The offensive tackles were particularly inconsistent. USC's Sam Baker, for example, another one of the top 5 or so players in Mobile overall, would look all the part of a shut-down LT on one play when he glided around the pocket and got great arm extension, but then would get lazy feet on the next series and get beaten easily to the outside as he would end up frantically push his man from behind. Chris Williams of Vanderbilt, another top LT prospect, also didn't play badly, but also probably failed to push his grade into the late first round area. Williams certainly has the size as well as the feet to project as a LT prospect but had a tendency to play too high at times and couldn't get outside to cut-off a quick outside rush. Same story for Heath Benedict of little Newberry College. Like Williams, Benedict did get better as the weak progressed, but didn't show the overall athleticsm that one would like to see in a LT prospect. Meanwhile, huge Carl Nicks was solid enough at times, but looks more like a RT type.

The most consistent OTs this week may have been unheralded Oneil Cousins of UTEP and Gosder Cherilus of Boston College. Cousins isn't all that big or physical. but consistently moved his feet well and appeared to be the most technically solid of this year's LT prospects in Mobile. Meanwhile, Cherilus didn't necessarily move all that well but was simply able to engulf defenders when he locked on. On the other hand, Kirk Barton of Ohio State really struggled at times with the pace of the game at the Senior Bowl and was consistenlt beaten all week.
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Somewhat surprisingy, the most consistent offensive linemen were on the inside. Indeed, Arizona State C Mike Pollak was arguably the best lineman in Mobile this week. Pollak isn't huge at a pound under 300 pounds, but showed athletic feet and good strength and balance all week. Meanwhile, USC OG Drew Radovich may have outplayed his more heralded teammate Sam Baker much of the week. Radovich wasn't fancy, but did a nice job locking onto opposing pass rushers and keeping his feet alive. Same story for unheralded OG Chad Rinehart of Northern Iowa, who also was also technically very solid as was C Steve Justice of Wake Forest. <>

To QB or not to QB... Playing in the all-star game format is always tough to evaluate QBs because they are working with unfamiliar receivers in an unfamiliar offense and seldom get enough reps to get into any kind of rhythm. And while this year's QBs were better than in some other recent years, overall scouts had to be a little disappointed with the group. That said, the QB with the most upside in Mobile apears to have been Joe Flacco of Delaware. Flacco, a one-time Pitt recruit, is a big guy with a very strong arm who can make all the throws, plus he has surprising mobility for a 6-5, 230-plus pounder. Michigan's Chad Henne also probably enhanced his draft status this week. Scouts would prefer that he were a little taller, however, Henne threw the ball with authority and showed good poise and leadership on the field.

On the other hand, both Andre Woodson of Kentucky and Hawaii gunslinger Colt Brennan had to leave NFL execs scratching their heads just a bit. Woodson, for example, still has the nice easy delivery, but doesn’t put much mustard on his throws with the result, in part, that few of his passes hit the receiver in stride; too often the target has to slow, stop, or otherwise reach behind him to pull the ball in. For his part, Brennan still had that odd throwing motion that came from his hip and caused too many of his passes to sail high or wide. Meanwhile, both Erik Ainge of Tennessee and USC's Jon David Booty threw the ball well enoug especially in the short and medium ranges, but still look to lack prototype arm strength.

Top 10 players in Mobile

1. Southern Cal DT Sedrick Ellis
2. California WR Lavelle Hawkins
3. Tennessee State DB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
<>4. Maryland DT Dre Moore
5. Indiana CB Tracy Porter
6. Florida WR Andre Caldwell
7. Troy CB Leodis McKelvin
8. Arizona State C Mike Pollak
9. Virginia Tech OLB Xavier Adinbi
10. Southern Cal OG Drew Radovich

Honorable mentions: Houston WR Donnie Avery; Tennessee TE Brad Cottam. Califoria RB Justin Forsett; Notre Dame DT Trevor Laws; Virginia Tech WR Eddie Royal.

BigChiefFan
01-25-2008, 02:02 PM
So we'll take Brennan in the first. Oh Shit. NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BigChiefFan
01-25-2008, 02:05 PM
Damn. Porter and Pollack are both getting some love. Again, I'd love to see those two guys become Chiefs.

Chiefnj2
01-25-2008, 02:10 PM
Damn. Porter and Pollack are both getting some love. Again, I'd love to see those two guys become Chiefs.

Why would Pollack be better than Weigman?

Brock
01-25-2008, 02:11 PM
Why would Pollack be better than Weigman?

Heavier and (obviously) younger?

Chiefnj2
01-25-2008, 02:14 PM
Heavier and (obviously) younger?

I thought Pollack was an undersized center with good technique. Kind of like Kalil last year (but not as good). For the last 1 3/4 years all I've read about is how Weigman isn't big enough for Herm's offense (whatever that may be).

Chiefmanwillcatch
01-25-2008, 03:19 PM
can you really trust in the Senior bowl?

The WRs weren't getting open ????????HUh???

Adarius Bowman looks like a great player. I am not trusting everything these guys say.

F-them. You can't let a few days judge a player.

kepp
01-25-2008, 03:50 PM
can you really trust in the Senior bowl?

The WRs weren't getting open ????????HUh???

Adarius Bowman looks like a great player. I am not trusting everything these guys say.

F-them. You can't let a few days judge a player.
Not to mention that most of them have reached different conclusions about the same players. An example is USC's Keith Rivers. A different reviewer couldn't stop praising him but this person pretty much called him an average prospect. Who knows...