Official Senior Bowl Game Thread

[HolmeZz]

On NFL Network.

Brennan gets picked off 2 passes in.

[HolmeZz]

Henne badly underthrows a deep ball, but Lavelle Hawkins comes back for it for the score. Chevis Jackson out of position of the play.

[mlyonsd]

Henne shows off his weak arm for the TD. lol

[Mecca]

Henne shows off his weak arm for the TD. lol

Yet Mike Mayock has him all the way up to #2 on his QB rankings and lauds his "great arm"

At this point the only team I think that even remotely likes Brennan is the 49ers. He's got so much work to do just to be alright.

[mlyonsd]

Yet Mike Mayock has him all the way up to #2 on his QB rankings and lauds his "great arm"

At this point the only team I think that even remotely likes Brennan is the 49ers. He's got so much work to do just to be alright.

To be fair I never thought much of that other Michigan QB in college. What was his name? Bradley, or Brady....something like that.

[keg in kc]

Be nice to watch this one.

Thank you, Time Warner Cable.

[Demonpenz]

it was tom brady and he has won 3 superbowls

[HolmeZz]

To be fair I never thought much of that other Michigan QB in college. What was his name? Bradley, or Brady....something like that.

Todd Collins?

[Mecca]

To be fair I never thought much of that other Michigan QB in college. What was his name? Bradley, or Brady....something like that.

Eh, it's not big deal honestly. Henne is a tools guy that is a classic underachiever as a player. If he really is the #2 QB off the board some team is going to be disappointed.

[mlyonsd]

Be nice to watch this one.

Thank you, Time Warner Cable.

OMG, Ellis just stripped the ball from the RB and single handedly drug 10 players 60 yards for a TD. I've never seen a play like that. WOW.

Too bad you missed it.

[HolmeZz]

They are bagging on Brennan.

[kstater]

Has Jordy been in yet?

[keg in kc]

OMG, Ellis just stripped the ball from the RB and single handedly drug 10 players 60 yards for a TD. I've never seen a play like that. WOW.

Too bad you missed it.If he didn't balance the football on his pickle, dance show tunes and develop an interstallar jump drive while he was doing it, I'm not impressed.

I hope we don't waste the #5 pick on him, because that pick needs to be a LOCK! This team needs a Mike Peterson. I know Mike Peterson, and Sedrick Ellis is no Mike Peterson.

[doomy3]

Has Jordy been in yet?


yep, he's playing right now

[Mecca]

If he didn't balance the football on his pickle, dance show tunes and develop an interstallar jump drive while he was doing it, I'm not impressed.

I hope we don't waste the #5 pick on him, because that pick needs to be a LOCK! This team needs a Mike Peterson. I know Mike Peterson, and Sedrick Ellis is no Mike Peterson.

The guy who missed his teams playoff games with a broken hand?

[keg in kc]

The guy who missed his teams playoff games with a broken hand?You'd need about 5 more years here to understand the reference.

[HolmeZz]

Brennan flattened for another sack. Get him out of there.

[Ebolapox]

heh, I miss the mike peterson jokes. rep2keg.

[Mecca]

You'd need about 5 more years here to understand the reference.

Ah well nevermind then...

Speaking of the group of QB's there did anyone else see this where Todd McShay was ripping on Martz?

According to Todd McShay at ESPN.com, Scouts are saying that Martz coaching is messing with the mechanics of all three QB's. Brennan, Ainge, and most notably Woodson. Woodson's style does not fit with Martz system and has made him look like a Fringe Day 1 Pick.

[mlyonsd]

The way Ellis just missed his misdirection coverage I'm sure he could play for us.

[keg in kc]

Ah well nevermind then...Basically there was a long running gag that Mike Peterson is Lawrence Taylor, Dick Butkus, Mike Singletary, Jack Lambert, Einstein, Superman and Jesus all wreapped in one.

Come to think of it, I'm not even sure how it started.

[Mecca]

Which Mike Peterson is it we are talking about? That's a rather common name.

[keg in kc]

The one on the Jags.

Someone must have had a major mancrush on him for the '99 draft but I can't for the life of me remember who it was. This must've been back in the old Star board days, before the split.

[Mecca]

The one on the Jags.

Someone must have had a major mancrush on him for the '99 draft but I can't for the life of me remember who it was. This must've been back in the old Star board days, before the split.

Ohh ok, just making sure we were referencing the same guy. He's been good but he's just another in the long line of players the Colts walked away from, replaced, and didn't miss.

[Jim Jones]

Every QB in this game sucks ass.

GIVE ME MATT RYAN OR GIVE ME DEATH.

or Brian Brohm!

[HolmeZz]

Every QB in this game sucks ass.

The ones they've let play so far do.

[HolmeZz]

Nice job by Woodson.

[HolmeZz]

Judging by a lot of the pronunciations I've heard today, Eisen doesn't watch much college football.

[Mecca]

It's real shocking that Chad Henne looked awesome in practice and like crap in the game....

Wait till they put Booty in, it'll be the same story.

[HolmeZz]

It's real shocking that Chad Henne looked awesome in practice and like crap in the game....

Wait till they put Booty in, it'll be the same story.

Booty was already in. He got picked off inside the 10.

[Mecca]

Booty was already in. He got picked off inside the 10.

Well I don't get to watch it since I'm stuck at a place with Time Warner right now...damn my friend with a dish for not being home.

But hey that sounds like the Booty I'm familiar with.

[HolmeZz]

Flacco picked off by Rodgers-Cromartie.

Woodson's the only QB who's looked even half-way decent.

[Mecca]

Flacco picked off by Rodgers-Cromartie.

Woodson's the only QB who's looked even half-way decent.

Yea but Woodson sucks man! Screw how great he was for 2 years, 3 days of practice say he blows! :rolleyes:

[HolmeZz]

Ellis sacks Woodson for a safety.

[HolmeZz]

Ellis absolutely abused Lichtensteiger.

[tomahawk kid]

Yea but Woodson sucks man! Screw how great he was for 2 years, 3 days of practice say he blows! :rolleyes:

Woodson's looked like dogshit.

He just hasn't looked like refried dogshit, which is where the other QB's are.

Rogers - Cromartie is putting on a show right now.

[FAX]

Is there a radio stream for this somewhere?

Anyone know?

FAX

[tomahawk kid]

Ellis absolutely abused Lichtensteiger.

Yeah.

Looks like he'd fit right in on our o-Line.

[Mecca]

Well hey the north team is obviously better...just look at all the USC guys out there...

[dirk digler]

Cromartie and Ellis has been impressive.

I think Flacco would be a great pick by the Chiefs.

[Mecca]

Cromartie and Ellis has been impressive.

I think Falco would be a great pick by the Chiefs.

Keanu Reeves is not playing for the Chiefs man...

[dirk digler]

Keanu Reeves is not playing for the Chiefs man...

LMAO Sorry about that.

[FAX]

If he didn't balance the football on his pickle, dance show tunes and develop an interstallar jump drive while he was doing it, I'm not impressed.

I hope we don't waste the #5 pick on him, because that pick needs to be a LOCK! This team needs a Mike Peterson. I know Mike Peterson, and Sedrick Ellis is no Mike Peterson.

LMAO

FAX

[OnTheWarpath15]

Beautiful call on 4th and 1-and-a-half from Martz.

QB sneak into a 10 man front.



LMAO

[dirk digler]

Rucker makes a catch. Finally

[kstater]

Nelson have any catches?

[dirk digler]

Nelson have any catches?

I thought he caught one early in the game. It was a pretty nice catch along the sidelines

[dirk digler]

RUCKER TD!!!

Throw by Henne

[OnTheWarpath15]

Henne to Rucker for the TD.

[Demonpenz]

that was cringeworthy when carl was on during mizzou and ku and was like those are some good TE's but we are set at that position. Listen carl you arragant bastard. you haven't won anything and you need help everywhere.

[OnTheWarpath15]

LOL @ Colt Brennan.

[OnTheWarpath15]

LOL @ Colt Brennan.

And JD Booty.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Ellis blows up a play and saves an easy TD.

[HemiEd]

Woodson wasn't too impressive on that pass, but he looked good up until then.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Mike Mayock:

"Sedrick Ellis is unblockable."

[OnTheWarpath15]

Sedrick Ellis is AMAZING.

Sack and strip of Ainge, South still recovers.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Looks like these kids are getting a sneak preview of how bad NFL refs are.

North got screwed.

[FAX]

It's going to be very difficult to pass on Ellis if he's still on the board.

Maybe that's the play, after all. Pick up the olinemen in later rounds.

FAX

[OnTheWarpath15]

Matt Forte, Senior Bowl MVP?

Did anyone actually WATCH this game?

[Mecca]

I wonder if people views on the Jake Long/Sedrick Ellis debate have changed at all...especially with Mayock saying he thinks Ellis is better than Dorsey is.

[dirk digler]

I wonder if people views on the Jake Long/Sedrick Ellis debate have changed at all...especially with Mayock saying he thinks Ellis is better than Dorsey is.

It has changed mine honestly. I think the Chiefs should make that move and draft him the only concern is that the Dolphins might just take Ellis

[OnTheWarpath15]

I wonder if people views on the Jake Long/Sedrick Ellis debate have changed at all...especially with Mayock saying he thinks Ellis is better than Dorsey is.

Doubtful.

Getting Ellis with the 5th pick and just about any available OT in the 2nd, would do more for this team immediately, and in the future, than Jake Long and "insert player here."

[Mecca]

Doubtful.

Getting Ellis with the 5th pick and just about any available OT in the 2nd, would do more for this team immediately, and in the future, than Jake Long and "insert player here."

That's pretty much how I feel about it. I think part of it is name though, if we were discussing taking Glenn Dorsey or Jake Long you'd probably see more people side with Dorsey than do with Ellis just because they are more familiar with him.

[dirk digler]

That's pretty much how I feel about it. I think part of it is name though, if we were discussing taking Glenn Dorsey or Jake Long you'd probably see more people side with Dorsey than do with Ellis just because they are more familiar with him.

Do you think Ellis could go #1?

[Mecca]

Do you think Ellis could go #1?

I'd be surprised...I think Miami wants Vernon Gholston just not at that pick. If anyone comes up it'll likely be for a Ryan knowing you need to be ahead of Atlanta or maybe McFadden.

If you wanna be dead honest if someone did move up for Ryan I question if Ellis would go past both Atlanta and Oakland.

[chiefs1111]

the more i see of Ellis,the more i like him,if hes there when we pick and we dont get him,ill go nuts

[dirk digler]

I'd be surprised...I think Miami wants Vernon Gholston just not at that pick. If anyone comes up it'll likely be for a Ryan knowing you need to be ahead of Atlanta or maybe McFadden.

If you wanna be dead honest if someone did move up for Ryan I question if Ellis would go past both Atlanta and Oakland.

Why would they want Gholston?

Yeah after this week's performance I can't see him getting to the Chiefs.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I like Ellis even more after hearing that interview, and the fact that he actually PLAYED.

He didn't worry about how the game might effect his draft status, he just trusted his ability and went out there and played ball.....dominated.

Seems like a smart kid, and will interview well with teams.

This guy might be gone before 5.

[doomy3]

I know the consensus is that the Raiders will take McFadden, but after Kiffin has been around Ellis all week, I wonder if they will grab him right in front of us?

[the Talking Can]

I suspect with this franchise's luck that ellis and dorsey will be gone before we pick.....sigh...

[KcMizzou]

RUCKER TD!!!

Throw by HenneSweet! I missed it. :(

[Mecca]

Why would they want Gholston?

Yeah after this week's performance I can't see him getting to the Chiefs.

Parcells LOVES LB's it's his history.

[Mecca]

I know the consensus is that the Raiders will take McFadden, but after Kiffin has been around Ellis all week, I wonder if they will grab him right in front of us?

Well Al still runs that team even though he's dumb so I'd suspect they'd lean to the big star like McFadden, Al just being Al.

[Brock]

We're going to get a great player regardless of what these other teams do.

[Hammock Parties]

Thus taking the Best Offensive lineman in the draft would do more for this team immediately.
.

That's not really the goal.

[milkman]

I disagree

NFL.com shows that KC is ranked
31 total offense
20 passing offense
32 rushing offense
31 scoring offense

13 total defense
5th passing defense
28 rushing defense
14 scoring defense

Based on those stats and the fact that we are tied w/ giving up the most sacks (55), went through 3 QB (Thigpen IR), and 5 RB (Priest, LJ, kolby, Battle, harris) and a ton of lineman, than it is obvious the weekness of our team is OFFENSE and most specifically offensive lineman.

Thus taking the Best Offensive lineman in the draft would do more for this team immediately.

as for your Jake Long and "insert player here" remark, I think Jake Long and trevor laws would make nice picks.

Dont forget DT Trevor Laws from Notre Dame for the North sacks Colt Brennon, also recovers fumble on another play in the Senior Bowl. Laws had 112 tackles as a DT this last season for a bad ND team. He is a perfect cover 2 DT.

This team sucks ass.

One player is not going to magically transform this team from suckass.

It's going to take more than one good draft to raise this team from suckass to actual contender.

Hell, it'll take more than one good draft to raise this team back even to mediocre.

Drafting for need with as many holes as this team has is a surefire way to remain suckass.

[the Talking Can]

and here we go...

[Sully]

it is obvious the weekness of our team is TALENT REGARDLESS OF POSITION


FYP

[OnTheWarpath15]

I disagree

NFL.com shows that KC is ranked
31 total offense
20 passing offense
32 rushing offense
31 scoring offense

13 total defense
5th passing defense
28 rushing defense
14 scoring defense

Based on those stats and the fact that we are tied w/ giving up the most sacks (55), went through 3 QB (Thigpen IR), and 5 RB (Priest, LJ, kolby, Battle, harris) and a ton of lineman, than it is obvious the weekness of our team is OFFENSE and most specifically offensive lineman.

Thus taking the Best Offensive lineman in the draft would do more for this team immediately.

as for your Jake Long and "insert player here" remark, I think Jake Long and trevor laws would make nice picks.

Dont forget DT Trevor Laws from Notre Dame for the North sacks Colt Brennon, also recovers fumble on another play in the Senior Bowl. Laws had 112 tackles as a DT this last season for a bad ND team. He is a perfect cover 2 DT.


Think whatever you want to think, but don't expect a lot of people to agree with you.

Ellis could make the ENTIRE defense better by himself.

Takes the ability to double the DE's away, making them better.

Can keep linemen off of the LB's, freeing them up to make plays.

His interior pass rush helps the DB's, by not having to cover a receiver for 7 seconds like they are used to.

Jake Long makes one position on the field better. Whichever tackle position he's lining up at.

The drop off in talent between Jake Long and one of the OT's available when we pick in the 2nd is very small.

The drop off between Dorsey/Eliis and the rest of the DT's?

Enormous.

I've followed ND Football pretty closely the past 2 years (Munir Prince) and Trevor Laws is nowhere near the talent that Ellis is.

He looked good this week playing next to......Sedrick Ellis.

Sounds kinda like Ryan Sims looking good next to Julius Peppers.

We need players regardless of position.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Sounds like a great poll question......

[Sully]

Joe Thomas transformed cleveland.
One of the 10 dumbest things I've ever read.

[Zeke Ziggle]

How did Chris Williams look? If we decide to go for Ellis at 5 the Williams would be a fantastic pick up in the second.

[milkman]

Joe Thomas transformed cleveland. Vince Young gives Tenn a chance. 1 player can make a diffrence.

Joe Thomas stepped into a situation where some earlier picks started to play to the level that was expected of them, and a scrub QB played above the level that anyone expected of him.

Without those things happening, Joe Thomas is a good player on a bad team.

[Hammock Parties]

Joe Thomas transformed cleveland. Vince Young gives Tenn a chance. 1 player can make a diffrence.

LOL. Joe Thomas was just one part of a complete offensive line makeover. Vince Young? Tennessee's DEFENSE is more responsible.

[milkman]

Oh, and please tell me about the greatness of the Tennesee Titans.

[Hammock Parties]

Right now it seems like Ellis has moved ahead of Dorsey, especially with Dorsey's injury problem.

I'm almost HOPING he's off the board when we pick just to satisfy findthedr. That way I won't have to hear his bitching for five months.

[SBK]

Right now it seems like Ellis has moved ahead of Dorsey, especially with Dorsey's injury problem.

I'm almost HOPING he's off the board when we pick just to satisfy findthedr. That way I won't have to hear his bitching for five months.

I hope we pick anyone but Jake Long JUST to see the doc's meltdown. It will be epic.

[Mecca]

Albert Haynesworth is a million times more important to Tennessee than Young is, notice how they play with and without him...

[OnTheWarpath15]

Albert Haynesworth is a million times more important to Tennessee than Young is, notice how they play with and without him...

Bingo.

Christ, you could take VY off of that team and they wouldn't miss a beat.

Hell, they might get BETTER.

[the Talking Can]

make it stop

[Mecca]

Doc...do you think Jake Long is the best player in the entire draft? You sure seem to act like you'd take him over everyone.

[RustShack]

James Reed got a lot of tackles in NY one year didn't he? I wouldn't call him good.

[Mecca]

James Reed got a lot of tackles in NY one year didn't he? I wouldn't call him good.

None of our DT's are good, at least not as good as they need to be for Tampa 2, when Ron Edwards is a starter that is not good.

[Mecca]

I still think some of this is a bit of perception...would you take Long over Dorsey too?

[milkman]

Nope. He improves the running game and the passing game. That means wr, qb, rb, time of possesion, and most important: scoring.
nope, its HUGE.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=179325
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=178350
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=176931
you have to throw Trevor Laws into the mix. He had alot of tackles in college, he shined at the senior bowl practice, and he shined at the senior bowl game.

bullshit.

2007 stats:
Ellis: 58 tackles (29 solos), 8.5 sacks, 1 quarterback pressure and 2 fumble recoveries…Also deflected 7 passes.

Dorsey: 69 tackles (39 solos),7 sacks, 4 quarterback pressures, a forced fumble and 3 pass deflections

Laws: 112 career tackles, 6 sacks, 2 forced fumbles,2 fumble recoveries, 4 pass break-ups and one interception

Laws not lining up next to Ellis when Laws put up those numbers at ND which are arguably better than Ellis or Dorsey.

Is there anyone, anywhere, pimping Laws like he's right there at, or near, the same level as Dorsey and Ellis?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Nope. He improves the running game and the passing game. That means wr, qb, rb, time of possesion, and most important: scoring.


nope, its HUGE.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=179325
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=178350
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=176931


you have to throw Trevor Laws into the mix. He had alot of tackles in college, he shined at the senior bowl practice, and he shined at the senior bowl game.



bullshit.

2007 stats:
Ellis: 58 tackles (29 solos), 8.5 sacks, 1 quarterback pressure and 2 fumble recoveries…Also deflected 7 passes.

Dorsey: 69 tackles (39 solos),7 sacks, 4 quarterback pressures, a forced fumble and 3 pass deflections

Laws: 112 career tackles, 6 sacks, 2 forced fumbles,2 fumble recoveries, 4 pass break-ups and one interception

Ellis was not lining up next to Laws when he put up those numbers at ND which are arguably better than Ellis or Dorsey.


No one, and I mean NO ONE was talking about Trevor Laws until THIS week, playing alongside Ellis.

You can throw all the stats you want at this. You look like an idiot trying to compare Laws to Ellis and Dorsey. Stats mean shit. This is coming from an admitted ND homer. Laws is NOT anywhere near those two in terms of talent, and there's not a soul alive other than yourself that would claim otherwise.

Jesus Christ, Kawika Mitchell made a bunch of tackles for the Giants this year, but he's FAR from a solid LB.

Jake Long is NOT going to improve the offense by himself, just like Joe Thomas didn't in Cleveland. That earlier comment of yours might have been the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever read on here, and that's saying a lot.

Those threads are funny as well. Kirwan was talking about the OL that were actually PLAYING in the Senior Bowl. Quite a few guys not on that list. You have to be a blind Jake Long homer, which we know you are, to think that Jake Long more than marginally better than the other OT's in this draft class. He's fortunate to be going THIS year.

It also says a lot when a guy doesn't bother to play for fear of his stock dropping........

[Mecca]

It wont be an option. If Dorsey is still their that means Jake Long has been drafted before the chiefs. Thus the question is do you take Dorsey over Ryan Clady which becomes an easy answer.

can God create a rock that he cannot move?

You do realize that Dorsey and Ellis are going to end up rated basically equal....I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ellis gets picked and Dorsey is still on the board when the Chiefs pick.

[milkman]

It wont be an option. If Dorsey is still their that means Jake Long has been drafted before the chiefs. Thus the question is do you take Dorsey over Ryan Clady which becomes an easy answer.

can God create a rock that he cannot move?

That isn't even a fair deflection.

[Mecca]

No one, and I mean NO ONE was talking about Trevor Laws until THIS week, playing alongside Ellis.

You can throw all the stats you want at this. You look like an idiot trying to compare Laws to Ellis and Dorsey. Stats mean shit. This is coming from an admitted ND homer. Laws is NOT anywhere near those two in terms of talent, and there's not a soul alive other than yourself that would claim otherwise.

Jesus Christ, Kawika Mitchell made a bunch of tackles for the Giants this year, but he's FAR from a solid LB.

Jake Long is NOT going to improve the offense by himself, just like Joe Thomas didn't in Cleveland. That earlier comment of yours might have been the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever read on here, and that's saying a lot.

Those threads are funny as well. Kirwan was talking about the OL that were actually PLAYING in the Senior Bowl. Quite a few guys not on that list. You have to be a blind Jake Long homer, which we know you are, to think that Jake Long more than marginally better than the other OT's in this draft class. He's fortunate to be going THIS year.

It also says a lot when a guy doesn't bother to play for fear of his stock dropping........

If he really thinks a LT will transform an offense....Jason Peters plays up in Buffalo, their offense is nearly as bad as ours and he went to the Pro Bowl....

Now Ellis on the other hand could take the Chiefs into the top 10 on defense because his position can set off numerous other guys giving a trickle down effect. Ellis comes in and is a game changing DT teams have to account for...Allen and Hali get better, the middle of the pocket collapses, the MLB runs free and the secondary improves due to a pass rush...

Gee I wonder what player would have more impact...

[Hammock Parties]

And if Ellis makes us a top 10 defense, that has a trickle down effect to the offense. More turnovers, better field position, hell maybe even a few defensive scores.

And the ability to make those days when we score 17 points = WINS.

[RustShack]

If you were making the rankings, who would your top 5 players in this draft be?

[OnTheWarpath15]

If you were making the rankings, who would your top 5 players in this draft be?

Who are you directing that question to?

[Mecca]

If you were making the rankings, who would your top 5 players in this draft be?

For the Chiefs or in terms of general talent?

[OnTheWarpath15]

If he really thinks a LT will transform an offense....Jason Peters plays up in Buffalo, their offense is nearly as bad as ours and he went to the Pro Bowl....

Now Ellis on the other hand could take the Chiefs into the top 10 on defense because his position can set off numerous other guys giving a trickle down effect. Ellis comes in and is a game changing DT teams have to account for...Allen and Hali get better, the middle of the pocket collapses, the MLB runs free and the secondary improves due to a pass rush...

Gee I wonder what player would have more impact...

Yep.

Exactly what I said in a previous post.

But it's pointless, he'll spin every which way trying to make Jake Long look like the second coming of Anthony Munoz/Orlando Pace/Walter Jones/Jonathan Ogden and Trevor Laws in the same ballpark as Dorsey and Ellis.

[RustShack]

To all you guys arguing about who to take, who do you guys think the top 5 guys are talent wise.

[ChiefsCountry]

Here is my top 5 rankings:

1. Chris Long
2. Glenn Dorsey
3. Sedrick Ellis
4. Darren McFadden
5. Jake Long

[Mecca]

To all you guys arguing about who to take, who do you guys think the top 5 guys are talent wise.

This is in no particular order...

McFadden
Dorsey
Ellis
Chris Long

with Jake Long, Matt Ryan and Vernon Gholston battling for that last spot.

I'd personally lead to Gholston and Ryan slightly ahead of Long but that has to do with my personal feelings on position value.

[OnTheWarpath15]

To all you guys arguing about who to take, who do you guys think the top 5 guys are talent wise.

Chris Long
Glenn Dorsey
Sedrick Ellis
Darren McFadden
Vernon Gholston

[RustShack]

I think I'm going to go with-
1. Ellis/Doresy
3. Chris Long
4. Darren McFadden
5. Jake Long/Matt Ryan

[milkman]

This is in no particular order...

McFadden
Dorsey
Ellis
Chris Long

with Jake Long, Matt Ryan and Vernon Gholston battling for that last spot.

I'd personally lead to Gholston and Ryan slightly ahead of Long but that has to do with my personal feelings on position value.

Here is my top 5 rankings:

1. Chris Long
2. Glenn Dorsey
3. Sedrick Ellis
4. Darren McFadden
5. Jake Long

Chris Long
Glenn Dorsey
Sedrick Ellis
Darren McFadden
Vernon Gholston

Wait, where's Trevor Laws?

[Mecca]

I'm sure the signing of Eric Steinbach and Jamal Lewis oh and the breakout of Braylon Edwards as a star in the league really had nothing to do with Cleveland becoming better, it was all Joe Thomas....and Long isn't as good as Thomas...he's clover to Levi Brown, he's a better prospect than Brown but he's closer to that than Thomas.

[Mecca]

we were 14 in scoring defense this yr. what trickle down good did that do for our offense and team? our offense was 30th scoring and we were 4-12. tricke down my ass.

Look if Herm is gonna play this way then we need an ELITE defense with star players. It's the only way we stand a chance, also if you notice the only teams that give the Pats any problems are teams with dominant front 4's that can get pressure without blitzing, this is our chance to become one of those teams.

[ChiefsCountry]

If Long is available and Dorsey/Ellis isnt there I would take him and like the pick. He could help out our line for the next 10 years. I just think Ellis and Dorsey's ceiling is higher to be a bigger superstar player and would go apeshit if either one was on the board and the Chiefs didnt go for them.

[Hammock Parties]

we were 14 in scoring defense this yr. what trickle down good did that do for our offense and team? our offense was 30th scoring and we were 4-12. tricke down my ass.

Who cares what we did last year? Look at NFL history. The Baltimore Ravens won a Super Bowl because their defense set up the offense. When has a 14th-ranked defense ever set up an offense, anyway?

Right now the main reason the Giants are in the Super Bowl is because of their epic pass rush. We can have that...

[milkman]

Joe Thomas gave up 1 sack in 545 attempts. He went to the probowl.
Their scoring offense was 8th in 2007, and 30th in 2006 BEFORE him. He is the reason that both Quinn and Anderson looked good.

Both Quinn and Anderson looked good?

Did Quinn even attempt 10 passes this season?

[Sully]

I'll ask this again... because this is the impression I am getting frommost of what I read:

If they were in the same draft,would you draft John Tait (decent LT/ Very good RT) or Warren Sapp(HOF DT)?

[Mecca]

If anyone thinks a Herm Edwards team is gonna be successful with a #14 defense I got news....

With Herm as coach you need a top 3 defense and you should hope the offense gets to 14...not say the 14 defense is good enough.

Also with the players we have, who our coach is, and just gel time. It makes more sense to try to take the defense to elite level than the offense to ok level especially when the better prospects this year are defensive ones.

[Mecca]

No offense or anything but Bowe isn't nearly as good as Edwards is yet....

I'm just simply pointing out the offensive talent on that team is off the chart it isn't just Joe Thomas, if they put a legit young back in there instead of Lewis they might be dominant on O.

Now look what Cleveland has realized...their defense totally sucks...

Unless you think the Chiefs over a 2 year time frame should spend 150 million dollars on Oline I'm not sure Cleveland is the best example.

[OnTheWarpath15]

yes they were. you just didnt know about it. would that make you ignorant?
read these posts 12/20/07
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4469775&postcount=2
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4469795&postcount=3

Wow.

That's impressive.

Even the article you posted said he'll be picked nowhere near the top DT's. But NOW he's right up there with Ellis and Dorsey? Comical.

Joe Thomas gave up 1 sack in 545 attempts. He went to the probowl.
Their scoring offense was 8th in 2007, and 30th in 2006 BEFORE him. He is the reason that both Quinn and Anderson looked good.
and he said they didnt look good as a whole, were inconsistent, and need time to develop.

Yep, it was ALL Joe Thomas.

They signed Steinbach as a UFA in 07.

Traded for Hank Fraley after TC ended when Bentley was injured.

Signed Shaffer to play RT in 2006.

So, other than Ryan Tucker, the OL has been in complete disarray until this year. 4 new OL in the past 2 years, all learningn a new system.


The only ones of any consequence were Ryan Clady and Jeff otah. Ryan Clady was abused by avg Hawaii DE, and Jeff Otah is slow footed and not likely a day 1 LT starter in the NFL.

Funny, some are saying JAKE LONG isn't a LT in the NFL either. Let's spend the 5th overall pick on a guy who may never play on the left side in this league. Great value there.

or fear of getting injured.
Tell that to Dorsey, Matt Ryan.

limas sweed re-injured his wrist. cb Ikegwuonu blew his knee in training and not even at the game. Why risk injury (and thus millions of dollars) on a meaningless game such as the senior bowl or the probowl? that would be stupid.

Or they could have taken a page from Ellis, who not only played, he dominated, and further improved his stock.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Wait, where's Trevor Laws?

Still on the board in the middle of the 3rd?

[milkman]

Still on the board in the middle of the 3rd?

That would be funny, if it weren't true.

Oh, wait, it's still funny.

[Mecca]

Notice the team he is using as a great example, took 2 years to fix their line and got their LT as one of the later pieces because the prospect was better the next year...they didn't reach for one the year before they took Kamerion Wimbley who is probably their best D player...

Yea Cleveland is a great example when you use it PROPERLY. Everything they did speaks to what the Chiefs should do rebuilding this line is a 2 year process..next year Oher will be a far better prospect than Long is now.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Notice the team he is using as a great example, took 2 years to fix their line and got their LT as one of the later pieces because the prospect was better the next year...they didn't reach for one the year before they took Kamerion Wimbley who is probably their best D player...

Yea Cleveland is a great example when you use it PROPERLY. Everything they did speaks to what the Chiefs should do rebuilding this line is a 2 year process..next year Oher will be a far better prospect than Long is now.


EGG-ZACTLY.

Key words being "reach" and "properly"

[Mecca]

If you really think a pass rush isn't how you can compete with the Pats you are completely dense.

SD and the Giants have the 2 best pass rushes in the league that's how they can compete with them and why the Jags couldn't. Your front has to get major pressure without blitzing.

[Chiefnj2]

This is most definately a cripple fight.

The team will improve greatly with Dorsey or Ellis or J. Long.

If you get a DT in round 1 - grab the kid from Vandy in round 2.
If you get an OT in round 1 - grab the kid from A&M or ND in round 3.

[Mecca]

Also this idea of making the offense alright which yes I'm all for improving the offense, but this defense needs major improvement too, why?

Because Herm Edwards is our coach he coaches like we have the best defense in the league so you better strive to have that kind of personnel when you have that kind of coach...

Elite level is top 3 by the way when doing team rankings.

[milkman]

you know you have access to nfl.com and can lookup stuff yourself. its real easy. give it a try.
http://www.nfl.com/players/bradyquinn/profile?id=QUI529720

I did already actually.

But the question was more rhetorical in nature, to make a point.

How the hell does a QB who makes less than 10 throws in a season look good?

[Mecca]

I did already actually.

But the question was more rhetorical in nature, to make a point.

How the hell does a QB who makes less than 10 throws in a season look good?

Good question...if you actually watched Cleveland play and don't just look at stats Derek Anderson didn't look all that good either...he is highly inaccurate and got bailed out numerous times.

[RustShack]

That would be so awesome if we could just draft anyone at any position no matter what their skills are and they be one of the best ever because they were a top 5 pick like some people seem to think.

[Mecca]

There's more than 1 pick in this draft and the very top level players in this draft, the best ones are defensive players. They can take Ellis and then 4 offensive guys in a row if they feel those are the best guys. That still improves both sides.

I'm just telling you that you get better value going with that DT first and then going to the offense next just based on talent and depth.

[RustShack]

Its not like we are drafting later in the 1st round and can reach for people, we need to get the great players while we can.

[Chiefnj2]

I'm not saying I would be unhappy with Ellis or Dorsey (I'll be very happy), but Jake Long is the safer choice in the big picture. It's tougher for a LOT to be a complete bust (you can usually move them to ROT or OG in a worst case scenario). If the DT busts they are done. No place left for them except for the sales department at the sporting goods section of Sears.

[milkman]

you know so little about football. The D is ranked 14th and the Offense is ranked 30th. Any fool would tell you to improve on the offense to make the team balanced. Instead you say keep making the Defense better and worry about the offense next yr.


Rankings notwithstanding, anyone who watched this team and thinks that the defense doesn't have a long way to go before they are good is blind.

This team sucks ass, both offensively and defensively.

He's not saying to ignore the offense.

He's saying you have a far better chance to improve this team by drafting the best players, regardless of the side of the ball they play on.

This team has a greater chance to improve if you take an Ellis in the first and a Williams or Nix in the second.

Your Trevor Laws mancrush doesn't change the fact that he's considered third round talent by almost everyone else.

Hell, in most draft sights, he isn't even ranked in the top 10 at his position.

[Mecca]

Man if you choose a guy in the top 5 cause he is safer that's just bad business. You are suppose to be drafting for a superstar core player not "well this guys safe"

Also for that other post again, you improve both sides of the ball every year. I believe great Dlines win championships every bit as much as Olines do. And with Herm as our coach I think we should shield to having more top notch players on the D than on the O, you know like when Marty was here the last time we had a coach that favored D, wow what sense that makes eh?

That would have been like if the Chiefs didn't take Derrick Thomas because "well we took Neil Smith last year he's our pass rusher we don't need another one"

[milkman]

if you watched the game he played you would know. He had all the time in the world and litterally stood and patted the ball (mabye nearly 7 seconds) for players to get open. The commentators even said so. Go to some cleveland messageboards and they will all say the same thing.

So he had all this time to pat the ball, make decisions, and yet he only completed 3 of 8 passes.

How does that equal good?

[Mecca]

Rankings notwithstanding, anyone who watched this team and thinks that the defense doesn't have a long way to go before they are good is blind.

This team sucks ass, both offensively and defensively.

He's not saying to ignore the offense.

He's saying you have a far better chance to improve this team by drafting the best players, regardless of the side of the ball they play on.

This team has a greater chance to improve if you take an Ellis in the first and a Williams or Nix in the second.

Your Trevor Laws mancrush doesn't change the fact that he's considered third round talent by almost everyone else.

Hell, in most draft sights, he isn't even ranked in the top 10 at his position.

Also when your team is coached by Herm ****in Edwards wouldn't it make sense to when players are closely rated to side toward defense because of the way he coaches games and what he wants scores to be?

[the Talking Can]

remember the chiefs passing D was 5th in 2007 with 2 green safties, and 2 old cbs. Their problem is that they had the 28th rushing defense, and to improve that gap control is more important than penetration. penetration does no good when the rb blows by you or they run a misdirection play or a screen. That is the reason why Jared Allen was benched at 1 point in 2006 because he was busy rushing the qb and not gap control (sealing the ends) and thus giving up big yards in the run game.

"Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish..."

[OnTheWarpath15]

Rankings notwithstanding, anyone who watched this team and thinks that the defense doesn't have a long way to go before they are good is blind.

This team sucks ass, both offensively and defensively.

He's not saying to ignore the offense.

He's saying you have a far better chance to improve this team by drafting the best players, regardless of the side of the ball they play on.

This team has a greater chance to improve if you take an Ellis in the first and a Williams or Nix in the second.

Your Trevor Laws mancrush doesn't change the fact that he's considered third round talent by almost everyone else.

Hell, in most draft sights, he isn't even ranked in the top 10 at his position.

FWIW, Scott Wright has him listed as the 10th DT on the board.

[Mecca]

Also Herm is insistent on running Tampa 2...well Tampa 2 requires a GREAT Dline..do you really think of you pulled Sapp out of Tampa they'd have been what they were?

[OnTheWarpath15]

So he had all this time to pat the ball, make decisions, and yet he only completed 3 of 8 passes.

How does that equal good?

****, I hate when that happens.

Milkman = Gangster with baseball bat.

findthedr = Joe Pesci's character in Casino.

[Sully]

Also Herm is insistent on running Tampa 2...well Tampa 2 requires a GREAT Dline..do you really think of you pulled Sapp out of Tampa they'd have been what they were?
THEY HAD KENYATTA WALKER YOU DUMB SONOFABITCH!!!!!!

[OnTheWarpath15]

THEY HAD KENYATTA WALKER YOU DUMB SONOFABITCH!!!!!!


ROFL ROFL ROFL

[Mecca]

THEY HAD KENYATTA WALKER YOU DUMB SONOFABITCH!!!!!!

Great post! Also notice how they repeatedly built that D...they took Anthony McFarland when they already had Sapp.

[milkman]

****, I hate when that happens.

Milkman = Gangster with baseball bat.

findthedr = Joe Pesci's character in Casino.

I really need to start watching movies.

[Mecca]

I didn't know LT was all 5 OL positions.........

[milkman]

I didn't know LT was all 5 OL positions.........

It's a good thing findthedr is here to educate us.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I really need to start watching movies.


:D

[Mecca]

It's a good thing findthedr is here to educate us.

I think he should be finding more things than just the DR. at this point.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I think he should be finding more things than just the DR. at this point.

Actually, a doctor should be 1st on the list.

Have his ****ing head examined.

[Mecca]

I'm still waiting for his response to this...

Also for that other post again, you improve both sides of the ball every year. I believe great Dlines win championships every bit as much as Olines do. And with Herm as our coach I think we should shield to having more top notch players on the D than on the O, you know like when Marty was here the last time we had a coach that favored D, wow what sense that makes eh?

That would have been like if the Chiefs didn't take Derrick Thomas because "well we took Neil Smith last year he's our pass rusher we don't need another one"

[Chiefnj2]

Man if you choose a guy in the top 5 cause he is safer that's just bad business. You are suppose to be drafting for a superstar core player not "well this guys safe"

"
It isn't matter of choosing the safest player, but if they are ranked the same it is a consideration. In light of KC's inability to develop players in general I think that choosing a "safer" player has some merit in the consideration process.

[the Talking Can]

Come back and talk once you understand football.

great
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17433

watch for yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqO_nkPBCtw

:LOL:

sure thing voyager...I know a True Fan sucker when I see one...and i can fit your understanding of football into gochiefs g-string...

[OnTheWarpath15]

:LOL:

sure thing voyager...I know a True Fan sucker when I see one...and i can fit your understanding of football into gochiefs g-string...

C'mon, TTC.

He's the genius, the other 9,000+ of us here at ChiefsPlanet are the dummies.


:rolleyes:

[Mecca]

I just read this post on a draft board

He isn't quite the prospect Gallery or Thomas were but he is a much better prospect then Backus was in 2001.


I think he is a mix between Jon Tait and Jon Runyan, he can really take over in the run game but has some trouble with speed rushers.

And there thanks to that someone gave a great comparison to what NFL player Jake Long compares to, John Runyan.

[Sam Hall]

I like the idea of Ellis on the same line as Allen and Hali.

[OnTheWarpath15]

It sure didnt help the team when we had top notch players on the O (under vermiel) and a horrible D.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/images/admin/chiefstrends.JPG

when marty was here we had a far more balanced team than we have had under both Vermiel and herm.
[/indent]

Pretty crafty to leave out that bit of Mecca's post and ignore it......

I'm sure it wasn't important.

[Mecca]

It just hit me when I read that...John Runyan is a pretty damn good comparison to Jake Long for what their skills are..

Also I just thought of something, none of this will matter. The last time the Chiefs picked this high the player didn't sign till what 4 weeks into the year? We have picks like Bowe in the 20's hold out...

When the guy who goes 5 really expects to get paid that'll be fun, he probably won't sign till the end of October.

[OnTheWarpath15]

1. since someone said it on a draft board it must be true. LMAO
2. the guy said that he has trouble with speed rushers. Jake Long gave up 1 sack all season long in over 400 passes, and dominated the speed rushers of florida.

Here is a good scouting report of jake long:
http://www.newerascouting.com/profiler/viewprofile.php?id=28

you seem to be under the impression that he will be beat on the outside by speed rushers in reality:

so the only way he is getting beaten is if the defender splits him and the LG. That wont happen with an Oline that has played awhile together.


I'm not sure what's funnier.

That you're still pimping his "dominance" of a DE that is built like Dwayne Bowe, or that bolded statement.

I'm guessing the "only way he is getting beaten" statement will last until about the 2nd practice of Training Camp before it's proven as ridiculous.

The only way he'll get beaten.....

ROFL

[Mecca]

I don't have any problems with Jake Long but this guy is honestly pimping him like he is the best OT prospect of all time.

He is not Ogden, he is not Pace he doesn't compare to them as a prospect, hell he isn't even Joe Thomas. It's why he went back to school for another year so he could be the first OT instead of the 2nd.

[Brock]

When the guy who goes 5 really expects to get paid that'll be fun, he probably won't sign till the end of October.

You don't really believe this stupid shit do you? :rolleyes:

[Mecca]

You don't really believe this stupid shit do you? :rolleyes:

Well no but I expect a hold out, it's par for the course with our front office. End of October was an exaggeration I thought that was easy to see.

[Tribal Warfare]

I suspect with this franchise's luck that ellis and dorsey will be gone before we pick.....sigh...


actually in the draft we've had good luck in the 1st round in the past few years

[Mecca]

actually in the draft we've had good luck in the 1st round in the past few years

Other than Cromartie going 1 pick ahead of us :cuss:

[OnTheWarpath15]

Other than Cromartie going 1 pick ahead of us :cuss:

He wouldn't have had anywhere near the impact with us he had with the Chargers.

The kid is a phenomenal talent, but it also helps a young CB (or an old one, for that matter) to have the kind of front 7 the Chargers have.

[Brock]

Well no but I expect a hold out, it's par for the course with our front office. End of October was an exaggeration I thought that was easy to see.

With you, who can tell...

[dirk digler]

Well no but I expect a hold out, it's par for the course with our front office. End of October was an exaggeration I thought that was easy to see.

I mentioned that the other day. Though since Clark is going to be more involved hopefully we will get this done fairly quickly...hopefully

[HolmeZz]

(remember everyone says he is better than levi brown who was picked 5th in 2007 draft).

And everyone acknowledged Levi Brown was a reach the very instant the pick was made. I don't see how you think that supports your case.

Anyway, like I was saying, Ellis is at worst one of the best 3 players in this draft.