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jAZ
01-31-2008, 11:22 PM
Even lesbians will soon be able to reproduce without any of your help.

How crazy is this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/01/31/scisperm131.xml

Sperm cells created from female embryo
By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 7:01am GMT 31/01/2008

Sperm cells have been created from a female human embryo in a remarkable breakthrough that suggests it may be possible for lesbian couples to have their own biological children.

Lesbian couples could one day have children who share both their genes
British scientists who had already coaxed male bone marrow cells to develop into primitive sperm cells have now repeated the feat with female embryonic stem cells.

The University of Newcastle team that has achieved the feat is now applying for permission to turn the bone marrow of a woman into sperm which, if successful, would make the method more practical than with embryonic cells.

It raises the possibility of lesbian couples one day having children who share both their genes as sperm created from the bone marrow of one woman could be used to fertilise an egg from her partner.

Men and women differ because of what are called sex chromosomes. Both have an X chromosome. But only men possess a Y chromosome that carries several genes thought to be essential to make sperm, so there has been scepticism that female stem cells could ever be used to make sperm.

In April last year, Prof Karim Nayernia, Professor of Stem Cell Biology at Newcastle University, made headlines by taking stem cells from adult men and making them develop into primitive sperm.

He has now managed to repeat the feat of creating the primitive sperm cells with female embryonic stem cells in unpublished work.

The next step is to make these primitive sperm undergo meiosis, so they have the right amount of genetic material for fertilisation.

Prof Nayernia showed the potential of the method in 2006, when he used sperm derived from male embryonic stem cells to fertilise mice to produce seven pups, six of which lived to adulthood, though the survivors did suffer problems.

He is now optimistic about the prospect of lab-grown sperm from women.

“I think, in principle, it will be scientifically possible,” Prof Nayernia told New Scientist.

He said that he has applied for ethical approval from the university to use bone marrow stem cells from women to start experiments to derive female sperm.

“We are now writing the application form,” he said, adding that experiments will begin in Newcastle if and when they get approval.

However, Dr Robin Lovell-Badge, a stem cell and sex determination expert at the National Institute for Medical Research, Mill Hill, London, doubts it will work: “The presence of two X chromosomes is incompatible with this. Moreover they need genes from the Y chromosome to go through meiosis. So they are at least double-damned.”

In Brazil, a team led by Dr Irina Kerkis of the Butantan Institute in Saõ Paulo claims to have made both sperm and eggs from cultures of male mouse embryonic stem cells in the journal Cloning and Stem Cells.

The researchers have not yet shown that their male eggs can be fertilised to produce viable offspring, but they are thinking about possibilities for same-sex human reproduction.

If all these experiments pan out, then the stage would also be set for a gay man to donate skin cells that could be used to make eggs, which could then be fertilised by his partner’s sperm and placed into the uterus of a surrogate mother.

“I think it is possible,” says Kerkis, “but I don’t know how people will look at this ethically.”

The UK parliament is now debating changes to the 1990 Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act, and the government is under pressure to include an amendment that would allow the future use of eggs and sperm grown in the lab from stem cells.

However, a clause added to this amendment would restrict this to sperm from genetic males and eggs from genetic females.

Phobia
01-31-2008, 11:25 PM
Completely useless?

I already knew that.

thebrad84
01-31-2008, 11:57 PM
Does this mean there is going to be a lot more 'scissoring' going on, because if so, I for one am in full support of this then..

Hammock Parties
01-31-2008, 11:58 PM
And then this great country we live in will permit religious conservatives to sue for custody rights to the child and win.

keg in kc
01-31-2008, 11:58 PM
Y the Last Man

jidar
02-01-2008, 01:09 AM
I'm pretty much pro-lesbian but no way.
heh

SLAG
02-01-2008, 01:31 AM
wow this is sick

Im glad that some scientists think that they are "Double Dammed"

The Irony is not Lost on me that they use EMBRYONIC stem cells to Create sperm so that they can create a Embryo. Sounds really stupid if you ask me.

God Help Us

"Bob" Dobbs
02-01-2008, 01:37 AM
As long as there are mousetraps to empty, men will be necessary.

teedubya
02-01-2008, 02:44 AM
planet of women? Just like star trek. wow.

chagrin
02-01-2008, 05:16 AM
I thought that stem cell research was supposed to be used to cure life threatening diseases?

crazycoffey
02-01-2008, 07:57 AM
Completely useless?

my wife already knew that.


FYP...

Simplex3
02-01-2008, 08:16 AM
I thought that stem cell research was supposed to be used to cure life threatening diseases?
According to most liberals men are a disease.

wilas101
02-01-2008, 08:17 AM
does that mean the lesbian gene will be spread wider?

spread heh


It may not be a bad thing. After all, they DO make for the most interesting movies plots.

"Ok... now you both get naked and kiss a while...... good..... bite her nipples...... and cut!"

Braincase
02-01-2008, 08:40 AM
planet of women? Just like star trek. wow.

More like Futurama

Pushead2
02-01-2008, 08:48 AM
Does this mean there is going to be a lot more 'scissoring' going on, because if so, I for one am in full support of this then..
ROFL , rep for the n00b.

Radar Chief
02-01-2008, 08:59 AM
Eh, until they can teach their dildo to take out the trash and change the oil / filter in their car I’m not too worried about it.

StcChief
02-01-2008, 09:11 AM
Eh, until they can teach their dildo to take out the trash and change the oil / filter in their car I’m not too worried about it.
yeah, and kill rodents, spiders, squirrels in attic, unclog a sink or atoilet (though the don't go so it won't happen).
cut the grass. move furniture..... all I can think of for now

BigMeatballDave
02-01-2008, 09:28 AM
The ultimate irony here would be that all males born from lesbian genes would be gay men...

Adept Havelock
02-01-2008, 09:40 AM
Does this mean there is going to be a lot more 'scissoring' going on, because if so, I for one am in full support of this then..

Nice. :clap:

Interesting advance. Thanks to the OP.