Pro Bowl LT Now Available as UFA

[Marco Polo]

Per Rotoworld (I'm on a rotoworld kick tonight):

The Cowboys will reportedly allow LT Flozell Adams to hit the free agent market.
Pat McQuistan and James Marten would battle on Tony Romo's blind side if Adams doesn't re-sign. Free agents who get to the market usually don't. Adams is 32, but it's a surprise Dallas would let the Pro Bowler get away. Feb. 19 - 12:15 pm et

I think this would be a first good step toward rebuilding the line if it isn't too unreasonable. I have a feeling it will be unreasonable. Yes, he's 32 but could be a nice bandaid for a few years.

[blueballs]

findthedoor really needs a backup plan

[Rain Man]

Off topic, but those McQuistan boys are God's ugliest creatures.

[Mecca]

I'm actually not surprised by this, depends on money and he's basically a 3 year fix.

[DeezNutz]

Dude NEVER jumps off-sides.

[Bill S Preston]

Off topic, but those McQuistan boys are God's ugliest creatures.

You weren't joking. Makes sense that one of them is a Raider.

Paul:

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Pat:
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[TRR]

I'm not in favor of picking up a Veteran at LT. LT's are too important to an offense now days. I'm tired of just filling holes for a year or two.

[blueballs]

They call him the hamper

[Tribal Warfare]

go for it, OT is nothing to f*ck with

[unothadeal]

Crazy Raiders with their mullets and freckles and all that jazz.

[ChiefsCountry]

not a good idea. Rather give that money toward acquiring a vet DT upgrade. There will likely be some out there that are young and want flozell type money.

You do know that DT's are the biggest flops in Free Agency.

[htismaqe]

we have a thread for this:
http://75.125.205.90/BB/showthread.php?t=177897

also, the guy is soon to be 33...and will want to be paid more than McIntosh
http://www.nfl.com/players/flozelladams/profile?id=ADA280969

not a good idea. Rather give that money toward acquiring a vet DT upgrade. There will likely be some out there that are young and want flozell type money.

About 9 out of 10 free agent DT's never match, let alone exceed, their production for their first team.

Spending $$$ on a free agent DT is akin to burning it or flushing it down the toilet.

[Vegas_Dave]

hmmmm, I wouldnt mind picking him up and having Jake Long in the draft. Offensive Line depth, what is that again?

[Mecca]

I'm not in favor of picking up a Veteran at LT. LT's are too important to an offense now days. I'm tired of just filling holes for a year or two.

Well that means we're looking at 3-4 years then.....this team has a ton of holes.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I'm actually not surprised by this, depends on money and he's basically a 3 year fix.

4 years tops. I wouldn't want to sell the farm for him. He is a stud, but he's 32 and about to go out to pasture.

[Deberg_1990]

No thanks.

Why cant Chiefs fans just be happy with drafting and developing out own players for a few years??

Sure, we will probably suck for 2 years, but it will pay dividends in 3-5 years.

[htismaqe]

1. why is that...somehow when a DT becomes a FA they suck?

2. it seems to be the opposite for the chiefs. the greatest success the chiefs have had at DT in over a decade have come through FA not through the draft. Hopefully the drafting part has changed.

1) I never said they suck. They just never turn in their best production AFTER the big payday. It's a documented fact - I posted the research here about 5 years ago, and I've heard it since from various sources including Mike Golic. If you're looking for a STUD DT, you're not going to find one in free agency.

2) The only reason it seems the opposite is because our drafted DT's SSSSSUUUUCCCCCKKKKK beyond all suck. As for "greatest success" it should be noted that the term is extremely subjective and relative - Lional Dalton and Alphonso Boone are mediocre, at best.

[ChiefsCountry]

Well that means we're looking at 3-4 years then.....this team has a ton of holes.

This normally goes against your normal thinking. Not disagreeing with you just seems alittle odd coming from you.

[Mecca]

This normally goes against your normal thinking. Not disagreeing with you just seems alittle odd coming from you.

I'm kind of playing devil's advocate with it. This is how I look at it. If you supported keeping LJ and Gonzalez then don't want a move like that I consider that talking out of both sides of your mouth, kind of like the Chiefs organization does.

"Well Croyle needs this" yadda yadda and all that. People need to make up their minds on that.

If I had total say I wouldn't sign him but there'd have been a ton of moves they've made that I wouldn't have made either so it becomes a tough call then.

[Chieficus]

Originally Posted by tiecher
Alfonso Boone had the best season of any Chiefs defensive tackle in several seasons


Considering who our DT's have been in recent years, that ain't saying much.

As for "greatest success" it should be noted that the term is extremely subjective and relative - Lional Dalton and Alphonso Boone are mediocre, at best.

You calling Jelly Roll "tapioca"??? He'll probably eat his way through a maple bar or two for that remark...

This is how I look at it. If you supported keeping LJ and Gonzalez then don't want a move like that I consider that talking out of both sides of your mouth, kind of like the Chiefs organization does.

"Well Croyle needs this" yadda yadda and all that. People need to make up their minds on that.


That's exactly why a move like this would be good. On the one hand: yes, it would be quite nice to get a rookie OT who can come in and be solid at LT from day one and grow to be a stud, but easier said than done.

I think Croyle has the potential to be a good enough QB but not if he's getting killed behind a patchwork or overly young O-line.

We have our "superstars" like Gonzo and LJ (assuming this past season was a fluke and not a drastic downturn), we have our up and coming solid players/potential superstars like JA and DJ and now Bowe, and then we have some guys like Croyle we hope pan out but aren't quite sure yet. We're rebuilding, but not from bare bones scrap, other wise what we've spent on our superstars these past couple of years is money wasted.

So if we're able to build for the future through the draft but sure up some majorly weak areas like on the o-line with a stud for even a few years, then we should do it. For whether it's Croyle or some rookie QB we draft we don't want to end up with a QB who has his head on the goal line and his torso in the men's room.

[Hoover]

Man some of you guys drive me nuts. Some people on this BB think that you should only develope young players and not sign vets like Donnie Edwards or this fat tub of lard LT. Yet these are the same people who think the Pats front office walk on water. I think its healthy to have a mix. Our offensive explosion in the 2000's probably had the more to do with the signing of Willie Roaf than any other player.

The Chiefs just have to be careful when signing a vet. For example don't go the vet route with DT's or CB's. They age quickly, instead stick with O linemen and line backers.

You just have to be smart on who you sign. There is no way we can field a competitive team and draft for all the Oline spots we need. I'd sign the dude if the deal is right.

[htismaqe]

Man some of you guys drive me nuts. Some people on this BB think that you should only develope young players and not sign vets like Donnie Edwards or this fat tub of lard LT. Yet these are the same people who think the Pats front office walk on water. I think its healthy to have a mix. Our offensive explosion in the 2000's probably had the more to do with the signing of Willie Roaf than any other player.

The Chiefs just have to be careful when signing a vet. For example don't go the vet route with DT's or CB's. They age quickly, instead stick with O linemen and line backers.

You just have to be smart on who you sign. There is no way we can field a competitive team and draft for all the Oline spots we need. I'd sign the dude if the deal is right.

Good God Hoover.

You posted 3 paragraphs of drivel to make the original point. The "dude" is 32 years old and is a pro bowler - the deal is pretty guaranteed not to be "right" considering what McIntosh and Leonard Davis got last year...

:D

[smittysbar]

He woul be a good pick up, wonder what kind of money he will be wanting

[RustShack]

Heres our starting line next year:

Adams-Waters-Niswanger-Faneca-McIntosh

[Mecca]

Heres our starting line next year:

Adams-Waters-Niswanger-Faneca-McIntosh

Overpaying on an over 30 guard probably isn't smart, much easier to get interior linemen than tackles.

[T-post Tom]

With the dearth of talent on the o-line, I'd sign him if it wasn't cap stupid. It would also give the Chiefs more options on their first round pick, including a more plausible option to trade down.

[RustShack]

Overpaying on an over 30 guard probably isn't smart, much easier to get interior linemen than tackles.

Yeah I don't think we will get either, I think we get guys like Starks and Bell.

[Mecca]

With the dearth of talent on the o-line, I'd sign him if it wasn't cap stupid. It would also give the Chiefs more options on their first round pick, including a more plausible option to trade down.

The Chiefs should have all options open with their first pick regardless of who they sign, bad teams don't get good going into drafts picking positions...

[siberian khatru]

You weren't joking. Makes sense that one of them is a Raider.

Paul:

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Pat:
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Is Cher their mother?

http://imgsrv.923krock.com/image/wfny3/UserFiles/Image/news_images/RockyDennis.jpg

[Ultra Peanut]

The first time I saw a picture of a McQuistan, I was absolutely transfixed.

http://i25.tinypic.com/15hbhjt.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/23jq0lu.jpg

[Thig Lyfe]

I'd be for checking Flo out. This line needs fixin's.

[T-post Tom]

The Chiefs should have all options open with their first pick regardless of who they sign, bad teams don't get good going into drafts picking positions...

If Jake Long is available when the Chiefs pick, they'd be hard pressed to trade down or pick someone else considering Long's talent and the scarcity of good LTs. (Not to mention the current state of affairs on the Chiefs' o-line.) However, if they acquired F. Adams, they'd be less needy of getting a LT right away and might even look at finding one in the 2nd or 3rd round. This allows them to look at other positions or might make trading down more viable. (Most of the NFL teams are of the mind that there's not a huge difference in talent amongst the potential first round picks, according to Pat Kirwan on NFL Radio. Thus, there's less of a premium on having a high pick in this year's first round.) That's all I'm saying.

[T-post Tom]

Is Cher their mother ~ siberian khatru



LMAO

[Micjones]

Adams would be a big upgrade, but his career is quickly coming to a close.
I'd rather us draft Long and have a 10-year answer at Left Tackle.

[Mecca]

So what happens if Jake Long isn't all that and a bag of chips......I don't think he's going to suck total balls but I also don't see him as a top 3 OT in the AFC which to me makes him not worth that pick...

[Ultra Peanut]

So what happens if Jake Long isn't all that and a bag of chips......I don't think he's going to suck total balls but I also don't see him as a top 3 OT in the AFC which to me makes him not worth that pick...That's preposterous.

That's like saying Robert Gallery would be a bust.

[Chiefs_5627]

You weren't joking. Makes sense that one of them is a Raider.

Paul:

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Pat:
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WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

[htismaqe]

what happens if Sedrick Ellis/Glen Dorsey isnt all that and a bag of chips? They could be long training camp holdouts and than have subsequent rookie injuries. :D

That's pre-posterous.

That's like saying Gerrard Warren would be a bust.


:evil:

[htismaqe]

With the dearth of talent on the o-line, I'd sign him if it wasn't cap stupid. It would also give the Chiefs more options on their first round pick, including a more plausible option to trade down.

That's the rub.

Everybody says "I'd sign him, as long as it makes sense financially."

Look at Leonard Davis' contract from last year. Then look at the fact that Adams is a pro-bowler.

It's almost guaranteed that his contract is going to be "cap stupid", as you put it.

[htismaqe]

ROFL

It changed the I have nothing to add in pre-posterous!

[Baby Lee]

Gingers and mullets = bad hoodoo.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

That's the rub.

Everybody says "I'd sign him, as long as it makes sense financially."

Look at Leonard Davis' contract from last year. Then look at the fact that Adams is a pro-bowler.

It's almost guaranteed that his contract is going to be "cap stupid", as you put it.

exactly...you don't get probowl left tackles "for the right price".

[Sanka]

I say give a 3 year contract, and draft Ellis. Then nex t season, we can go out and get Flo's replacement via draft i.e. Oher and groom him at RT till Flo is "done." Then move Oher or who ever to LT after Flo is gone. If we are going to groom Brodie, he is going to need protection as much as play makers if not more.

[Adept Havelock]

:hmmm:

If the contract was reasonable, I'd say bring him is for three years while we develop some talent behind him.



You weren't joking. Makes sense that one of them is a Raider.

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/71414851.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193875DCB1DD8387ABBCD7416AE413268E1A40A659CEC4C8CB6

Rocky? Rocky Dennis? Is that you?

That bitch Diana lied. You look nothing like a lion.

[htismaqe]

Again, why would anyone think the contract is going to be reasonable?

[Easy 6]

Adams is a good player on the back 9 of his career & he's gonna want a contract that rivals the Gross National Product of a mid sized European country.

Lets draft a 10 year solution, not buy a 3 year solution.

[Micjones]

So what happens if Jake Long isn't all that and a bag of chips......I don't think he's going to suck total balls but I also don't see him as a top 3 OT in the AFC which to me makes him not worth that pick...

Welcome to the NFL.
There are no guarantees.

[htismaqe]

Welcome to the NFL.
There are no guarantees.

"Fool"-proof is an interesting word choice, considering the buffoons that we have running this team...

[htismaqe]

You edited your post! You bastard!

[RustShack]

What if we gave him a huge long contract, but the big money was at the end, so he was cheap for the first couple years and then he retires, or we have the option to cut him before we get into the big bucks?

[jAZ]

The Cowboys will reportedly allow LT Flozell Adams to hit the free agent market.
This doesn't exclude them putting the non-exclusive franchise tag on him, no?

[milkman]

What if we gave him a huge long contract, but the big money was at the end, so he was cheap for the first couple years and then he retires, or we have the option to cut him before we get into the big bucks?

That's actually how most contracts are structured.

The problem is, the only money that's gauranteed is the signing bonus, and that would have to be a fairly substantial amount.

Signing bonus is pro-rated over the lfe of the contract, but accelerates to the cap when a player is cut.

That's the primary reason that cutting a player early in his contract is almost virtually impossible, and certainly always impracticle.

[Ultra Peanut]

ROFL

It changed the I have nothing to add in pre-posterous!Yeah, it treated preposterous like it was some sort of racial slur. I hate filters like that.

[Micjones]

You edited your post! You bastard!

*Whistling*
:spock: