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MTG#10
02-21-2008, 07:56 PM
Cavs beef up with Wallace, Szczerbiak

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080222/ap_on_sp_bk_ne/bkn_three_team_trade

CLEVELAND - LeBron James finally got some help to win an NBA title. In a complex, 11-player trade involving Cleveland, Chicago and Seattle, the Cavaliers acquired center Ben Wallace from the Bulls and forward Wally Szczerbiak from the SuperSonics, two players to possibly get James and the Cavs through the Eastern Conference and back to the finals.

Cleveland general manager Danny Ferry, unable to finalize major deals in the past, pulled off a colossal one as the clock ticked down in the final hours before Thursday's 3 p.m. deadline.
The Cavaliers sent guard Larry Hughes, forwards Drew Gooden and Cedric Simmons, and guard Shannon Brown to Chicago for Wallace, one of the game's top inside enforcers, and forward Joe Smith.
Cleveland acquired the sharpshooting Szczerbiak and guard Delonte West from Seattle for forwards Ira Newble and Donyell Marshall.
The Cavaliers will also get Chicago's second-round pick in 2009. The SuperSonics will receive guard Adrian Griffin from the Bulls.



The deal caps a busy month of trades around the NBA as several stars, including Shaquille O'Neal, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion and Pau Gasol, all were dealt to new teams. The Gasol swap triggered an arms race of sorts among the Western Conference's top squads, while this one could have a big impact at the top of the East.
Plagued by injuries this season, the Cavaliers are nine games behind Detroit in the Central Division and are fourth overall behind Boston, the Pistons and Orlando in the conference standings.
James, who is having an MVP-caliber season, had hoped Ferry could pull the trigger on a deal as the deadline neared. But Cleveland's superstar probably couldn't have imagined such an overhaul.
Ferry traded 60 percent of the starting lineup Cavs coach Mike Brown sent out on the floor for Wednesday night's game in Indiana.
In the 33-year-old Wallace, the Cavaliers are getting a defensive intimidator. But Big Ben will give them little or nothing on offense. He was a disappointment for the underachieving Bulls, who enter Friday's game 17 1/2 games out of first in the Central.
Chicago signed Wallace to a four-year, $60 million contract in 2006. He has two years remaining on that deal worth roughly $30 million. The Bulls thought he was the missing piece to get them back into contention for an NBA title, something they haven't sniffed since Michael Jordan retired.
Wallace got the Bulls into the second round in last year's playoffs. But the team hasn't recovered from a slow start this season and Wallace is averaging 5.1 points and 8.8 rebounds — his worst season statistically since 1999-00.
"It was pretty good," Wallace said of his time in Chicago. "It is what it is. It's one of those things that you come in and you play hard and try to give what you can give and not worry about the things you can't control."
Bulls guard Ben Gordon was sorry to see Wallace go.
"He was a great teammate," Gordon said. "I think he definitely helped us to get to the second round of the playoffs last season. I guess management felt that they didn't reach expectations that they wanted him to. That's part of the business."
Much like Wallace, Hughes didn't deliver as the Cavs had hoped. They signed him to a five-year, $60 million free agent deal in 2005, but he struggled with injuries and his jump shot. Recently, though, Hughes had found his touch, which could help the Bulls climb back in the playoff picture.
Hughes had become a target of abuse at Cleveland home games as fans grumbled with every miss and every mention of a contract that seemed untradeable.
The Cavaliers will be the eighth team for the well-traveled Smith, a 32-year-old veteran averaging 11.2 points and 5.3 rebounds. Smith brings the Cavaliers experience and versatility up front.
Gooden, too, can boost Chicago's inside game. The 26-year-old is averaging 11.3 points and 8.3 rebounds per season.
It's unusual for two teams in the same division to swap key players and the Cavaliers and Bulls haven't played yet this season. They'll meet for the first of four games on March 1 in Cleveland.
Szczerbiak, who was part of the draft day trade that sent Ray Allen to Boston for the No. 5 pick — Jeff Green — and West, added scoring punch in a reserve role for the rebuilding SuperSonics.
He averaged 13.1 points, second behind rookie sensation Kevin Durant, and consistently showed he was fully recovered from offseason ankle surgery. In his final game with Seattle on Tuesday, Szczerbiak was the catalyst for a second-half rally, scoring 24 points, including the go-ahead basket with 31 seconds remaining in a victory over Memphis.
Szczerbiak should get plenty of open looks in Cleveland. With more and more defenses double- and triple-teaming James, the club needs perimeter players capable of knocking down outside shots consistently — something Hughes couldn't do.
West never found a spot in Seattle's rotation. Nagging foot injuries shuffled him farther down the bench, and when coach P.J. Carlesimo finally settled on a rotation, West was often the odd man out.
West played in just 35 games, starting only five, and averaged 6.8 points in almost 21 minutes. He played 30 or more minutes just four times all season, after starting 118 games the previous two seasons in Boston.
He could develop into the point guard the Cavaliers have lacked since James arrived.
The dealing by young GM Sam Presti only adds to the flexibility the Sonics will have in their rebuilding process. Combined with the trade of Kurt Thomas to San Antonio on Wednesday for Brent Barry, Francisco Elson and a 2009 first-round pick, the Sonics now have 13 picks in the next three drafts and have acquired three players with contracts expiring after this season.

The Bad Guy
02-21-2008, 07:58 PM
They still can't touch Boston.

MTG#10
02-21-2008, 08:01 PM
They still can't touch Boston.
It should be a good series. Lebron got them pretty far last season almost by himself and now they have a great rebounder/defender plus a great 3 point shooter to help him.

MIAdragon
02-21-2008, 08:02 PM
Im not sure this is all that great for Cleveland. You lose two scoring options in Hughes and Gooden and get Wally and Ben Gooden in return. Joe Smith can contribute and so can West but now they don't have another player that can create his own shot, a pure three point shooter, or a post scorer.

Deberg_1990
02-21-2008, 08:03 PM
They still will lose to anyone in the West in the Finals.

ChiefsCountry
02-21-2008, 08:04 PM
Im not sure this is all that great for Cleveland. You lose two scoring options in Hughes and Gooden and get Wally and Ben Gooden in return. Joe Smith can contribute and so can West but now they don't have another player that can create his own shot, a pure three point shooter, or a post scorer.

Gibson and Wally are 3 point shooters. They got a pretty good lineup, cant touch anybody out West though and maybe Boston or Detroit in the East.

G - West
G - Gibson/Wally
F - LeBron
F - Big Ben
C - Z

BigRock
02-21-2008, 08:08 PM
sent Drew Gooden to Chicago

Would have been cool if Seattle sent Nick Collison there, too.

Deberg_1990
02-21-2008, 08:12 PM
Whats wrong with Drew Gooden?

He become a "journeyman" in the NBA.

Mecca
02-21-2008, 08:18 PM
No one is beating the Lakers, when Bynum comes back that's the best team.

dj56dt58
02-21-2008, 08:22 PM
As a Bulls fan, this is great. Getting rid of Wallace and Griffin is ****in fantastic. Now Thomas, Noah, and Gray will get more playing time. Gooden can be a very good player and Hughes is pretty productive..good deal for the Bulls even though it sucks to see Smith go

dj56dt58
02-21-2008, 08:23 PM
No one is beating the Lakers, when Bynum comes back that's the best team.

Except maybe NO

HypnotizedMonkey
02-21-2008, 09:12 PM
The NBA is awesome this year. I can't WAIT for the playoffs. The Eastern Conference Finals are going to go very hard. Hopefully the Celtics can weather the storm ... I see Detroit/Boston ... but now the Cavs will have to be played a little differently..

CoMoChief
02-21-2008, 09:25 PM
Would have been cool if Seattle sent Nick Collison there, too.

CHI front office would make the call and Roy Williams would be on a plane coaching the Bulls the very next offseason, they would trade for Pierce who wants out of Boston because 3 big egos wouldn't work out for the Celtics, then with Collison, Gooden, Pierce, and Hinrich, the Bulls would win the finals the following season.

bigbucks24
02-21-2008, 09:36 PM
It should be a good series. Lebron got them pretty far last season almost by himself and now they have a great rebounder/defender plus a great 3 point shooter to help him.
Are you thinking about the other Ben Wallace? The one that led Detroit to Chapionships? Or this Ben Wallace?

0.373 Fg%
0.424 FT%
8.8 Rebounds per game
5.1 PPG


A strong rebounder and defender? That's the old Ben. Or maybe THIS is the old Ben. After a mediocre year and a downright dismal year, I don't think he is the player you remember. However, I do think you will be pleasently surprised by what Joe Smith brings. He is underrated, IMHO.

BWillie
02-21-2008, 09:37 PM
I don't understand why you would be happy right now if you are a Cav fan. How have you upgraded? You lost Drew Gooden, who despite his brainfarts is a serviceable big man who can go 17 and 10 regularly. You get in return an old burnt out Wallace who has no where near the defensive ability he used to have when he was with the Piston's, is a offensive liability, and is a shell of his previous self. Wally didn't start for SEATTLE, what makes you think he will be any better than Larry Hughes?

Bulls have got to be kicking and screaming laughing that they got rid of Ben Wallace's and Joe Smith's contract in exchange for better players

bigbucks24
02-21-2008, 09:38 PM
Im not sure this is all that great for Cleveland. You lose two scoring options in Hughes and Gooden and get Wally and Ben Gooden in return. Joe Smith can contribute and so can West but now they don't have another player that can create his own shot, a pure three point shooter, or a post scorer.

Is this a combinatioon of Ben Wallace and Drew Gooden?

Chiefs=Champions
02-21-2008, 10:55 PM
GO CAVS 1!!11!!!1








But seriously they are cool...

DJJasonp
02-21-2008, 10:55 PM
CHI front office would make the call and Roy Williams would be on a plane coaching the Bulls the very next offseason, they would trade for Pierce who wants out of Boston because 3 big egos wouldn't work out for the Celtics, then with Collison, Gooden, Pierce, and Hinrich, the Bulls would win the finals the following season.


Dont forget Jacque Vaughn!!!

He just won a world title with the spurs last year....back for one more season...

Eleazar
02-21-2008, 10:58 PM
Whats wrong with Drew Gooden?

He become a "journeyman" in the NBA.

the beard?

Mr. Arrowhead
02-21-2008, 11:18 PM
this might and thats a big might make them even par with Orlando as the third best team in the east behind Detroit and Boston. But anyhow thats not saying much, because other than Boston and Detroit, the east is a big joke. I mean come on, the other teams that would make the playoffs today from the east in the western conference is detrot and Boston. For crying out loud the 5 seed has a losing record and the 7 and 8 seed are 9 games below .500. Just pathetic!

RustShack
02-22-2008, 03:21 AM
I'm a Cavs fan, this is a very interesting trade...

Mr. Flopnuts
02-22-2008, 03:22 AM
this might and thats a big might make them even par with Orlando as the third best team in the east behind Detroit and Boston. But anyhow thats not saying much, because other than Boston and Detroit, the east is a big joke. I mean come on, the other teams that would make the playoffs today from the east in the western conference is detrot and Boston. For crying out loud the 5 seed has a losing record and the 7 and 8 seed are 9 games below .500. Just pathetic!

All while Golden State is playing .600 basketball and is 9th in the West. They wouldn't make the playoffs at this point. That's ****ing retarded.

ClevelandBronco
02-22-2008, 03:51 AM
I've been hoping for a championship in Cleveland for decades now, but if it happens in the NBA I won't even be watching. I'll wait for another Cleveland State run at the NCAA tourney before I'll watch that NBA crap.

I've never seen Lebron (LeBron? Le Bron?) play. He skipped college basketball.

I saw Carmelo play with Syracuse, but I still haven't seen him play as a pro. The Nuggets keep selling him here, but I'm not buying.

ClevelandBronco
02-22-2008, 03:53 AM
I'm a Cavs fan, this is a very interesting trade...

Yeah. They won me over for life when they featured World B. Free.

Chiefs_5627
02-22-2008, 09:35 AM
At BEST, Cavs trade was a push. Raiduhs

Ceej
02-22-2008, 09:36 AM
the beard?

I always thought it was more like a patch of pubic hair on the back of his head.