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nychief
03-01-2008, 03:41 PM
Chiefs cleaning house to build new foundation
By Clark Judge
CBSSports.com Senior Writer
Tell Clark your opinion!

The purge has begun in Kansas City, and there's a message there for Chiefs fans: The team will get younger before it gets better.

When coach Herman Edwards took over the club in 2006, he knew the window of opportunity was small and that whatever he could do, he must do fast. So he took the Chiefs to the playoffs, lost, then started his makeover slowly.

Only slowly didn't cut it.


Brodie Croyle has to prove he can stay healthy for 16 games, a tall task with a rebuilt offensive line. (Getty Images) So now the team is engaged in an all-out teardown, releasing or not re-signing upwards of 15 players from its 2007 roster. Some of them, like offensive lineman John Welbourn, linebacker Kendrell Bell, tight end Jason Dunn and wide receiver Eddie Kennison, are gone. Others, like cornerback Ty Law, await execution.

Then there is a long list of unrestricted free agents like center Casey Wiegmann that the club has no interest in re-signing.

In any case, it's pretty simple what's happening. Edwards realized he couldn't win with what he has, so he decided to launch a youth movement immediately -- hoping to make his team competitive again within two years.

"Basically," said one source close to the Chiefs, "we're starting over."

It's a bold move by Edwards after a 4-12 finish, but sources close to the team say Chiefs owner Clark Hunt will be patient and Edwards is not under must-win orders. That's good because the Chiefs seem destined to wrestle Oakland for last in the AFC West again.

They believe they have their next quarterback in Brodie Croyle, who started six times last season, and maybe they do. Edwards is on record saying he wants to see him over 16 games, and he will have his chance this season -- provided, of course, Croyle stays healthy.

Given what the Chiefs field for an offensive line, that's iffy. They could wind up looking for three starters there, which is never a good thing with a young quarterback trying to hold down a job.

Once home to the top offensive line in the business, Kansas City can no longer lean on perennial Pro Bowl players like Willie Roaf and Will Shields. They're gone. Wiegmann will follow. In fact, every starter but guard Brian Waters is gone from the line that only two years ago helped push Larry Johnson to a 1,789-yard season.

Johnson should be back, with coaches convinced he will recover from a foot injury that sidelined him for all but eight games in 2007, but the club is looking for a capable backup to Kolby Smith as a third-down specialist.

With people like Kennison, Dunn and Samie Parker out the door, the Chiefs could use help at tight end and wide receiver, too. Heck, they could use help almost anywhere on offense, where they ranked among the bottom three teams in seven categories -- including scoring (31), total offense (31) and rushing (32).

While they are better on defense, they desperately need help at cornerback. Law will be gone and Patrick Surtain turns 32 in June. The Chiefs probably won't take a cornerback with their first pick, but they could -- and should -- anytime afterward. With 10 draft choices overall, look for them to hit the offensive line and cornerback spots heavily.

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"We've got to start rebuilding with younger players," said a source close to the club.

Makes sense to me. If you're going to be bad, don't be bad old; struggle with young players who gain experience on the job. The San Francisco 49ers did exactly that in 2000 with a string of solid draft choices, and they helped push them to a playoff spot a year later.

The temptation, of course, is to reach for free agents and hope they make you well, but Edwards and the Chiefs wisely will sit out the big bidding. A year ago, the New York Giants invested little in linebacker Kawika Mitchell, their only significant free-agent acquisition, and they won a Super Bowl.

The Chiefs have a much longer and steeper hill to climb, and they're tackling it the right way -- with youth and speed. They hoped to tiptoe into the free-agent market Friday, but their hopes were dashed when kicker Josh Brown, tight end John Gilmore and center Jeff Faine -- all on the Chiefs' short list -- signed with other clubs.

It happens.

The Chiefs will look elsewhere, with the draft a logical place to start. Remember, Edwards has at least two years to fill enormous holes, and that means he can tear down the team now -- which he's doing -- then rebuild it through the next two drafts.

It also means the April draft becomes one of the most important for Kansas City in years. You better pay attention, Chiefs fans. Your team's future is at stake.

nychief
03-01-2008, 03:44 PM
good round up.

Mecca
03-01-2008, 03:45 PM
I know that focuses on offense and the DB's.....when you say starting over if they really believe that, I think Herm is gonna be hoping for Glenn Dorsey.

nychief
03-01-2008, 03:47 PM
I know that focuses on offense and the DB's.....when you say starting over if they really believe that, I think Herm is gonna be hoping for Glenn Dorsey.

If i was a betting man... I would say Dorsey, Ellis or the kid from Ohio State..

OnTheWarpath15
03-01-2008, 03:49 PM
Good piece.

I found this part interesting:

It's a bold move by Edwards after a 4-12 finish, but sources close to the team say Chiefs owner Clark Hunt will be patient and Edwards is not under must-win orders. That's good because the Chiefs seem destined to wrestle Oakland for last in the AFC West again.

I know SOMEBODY around here has been saying the same thing, only to be told by findthecrybaby that Clark Hunt pisses excellence and that if we're not competitive, Herm will be fired with a year left on his contract.

milkman
03-01-2008, 03:51 PM
Good piece.

I found this part interesting:



I know SOMEBODY around here has been saying the same thing, only to be told by findthecrybaby that Clark Hunt pisses excellence and that if we're not competitive, Herm will be fired with a year left on his contract.

I don't think that findthejohnny could see anything beyond the Highlander.

He doesn't understand that there are other ways to measure improvement beyond won-loss record.

OnTheWarpath15
03-01-2008, 03:53 PM
I don't think that findthejohnny could see anything beyond the Highlander.

He doesn't understand that there are other ways to measure improvement beyond won-loss record.

I'm liking the "Highlander" nickname.

Now we need one for Laws.

Mecca
03-01-2008, 03:54 PM
I'm liking the "Highlander" nickname.

Now we need one for Laws.

Whats funny to me about Laws is for a guy that played for a team on national tv every week and all his 'stats" and workout numbers, I don't ever recall hearing his name called much at all.

milkman
03-01-2008, 03:55 PM
I'm liking the "Highlander" nickname.

Now we need one for Laws.

He's a carbon copy of Ellis, so I might forward Carbon?

Mecca
03-01-2008, 03:56 PM
The Blinder........considering how that guy was on him and nothing else.

OnTheWarpath15
03-01-2008, 04:02 PM
Whats funny to me about Laws is for a guy that played for a team on national tv every week and all his 'stats" and workout numbers, I don't ever recall hearing his name called much at all.

Some of you guys know that my wife and I are friends with former ND recruit Munir Prince and his family. (He's transferring to Mizzou, BTW)

I've watched every Notre Dame game for the past 2 years, and I'll tell you this about Laws:

Yeah, he's a high-motor, high intensity guy.

But his Dad must be in charge of the tackle stats. Awarding a tackle can be a pretty subjective thing. I think he had a little bit of help from the stats man.

Also, go back and watch film of ND's games.

How many of his legitimate tackles were 5-8 yards downfield?

milkman
03-01-2008, 04:02 PM
The Blinder........considering how that guy was on him and nothing else.

Every post that find thejohnny made regarding any other player other than the Highlander, including Carbon Copy, was just to try to addd value to his argument for the Highlander.

OnTheWarpath15
03-01-2008, 04:02 PM
He's a carbon copy of Ellis, so I might forward Carbon?

The Blinder........considering how that guy was on him and nothing else.

Kinda like them both.....

CupidStunt
03-01-2008, 04:06 PM
The next two drafts should be exciting. It's going to make or break the franchise for the next 7+ years. Realistically, the Chiefs need to get at least seven or eight starters out of the two drafts combined, and that would assume that younger players already on the roster -- such as Tank, possibly Turk, an OL or two, and at least one of the safeties -- step up and prove to be at least adequate starters.

Dorsey, a good pick at the top of round two, a random hit or two with one of the other eight picks and then similar success with our top-five pick(s) next year is required.

Archie Bunker
03-01-2008, 04:10 PM
This article actually made me excited about Chiefs football.

Its been awhile.

milkman
03-01-2008, 04:10 PM
Kinda like them both.....

I kinda like Blinder too.

Here's another to throw in the hat.

The Illusion.

Cause every post by findthejohnny on Laws was an attempt to create the illusion that he was equal to Eliis/Dorsey.

OnTheWarpath15
03-01-2008, 04:12 PM
I kinda like Blinder too.

Here's another to throw in the hat.

The Illusion.

Cause every post by findthejohnny on Laws was an attempt to create the illusion that he was equal to Eliis/Dorsey.

Love it.

Kinda relates to his bloated (bogus) tackle stats as well.

blueballs
03-01-2008, 04:13 PM
"Others, like cornerback Ty Law, await execution."

Law was cut days ago
Is this the punishment for stealing in the NFL these days

Tribal Warfare
03-01-2008, 04:14 PM
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10678980


and here's the link

Fish
03-01-2008, 04:14 PM
The temptation, of course, is to reach for free agents and hope they make you well, but Edwards and the Chiefs wisely will sit out the big bidding.

That's encouraging.....

CoMoChief
03-01-2008, 05:36 PM
I understand you can't go nuts in FA, but you also can't compete and contend or even improve if you have shitty players. We may be getting younger, but we are sucking a great deal, with really no signs of improvement. There are good young players in FA and we are refusing to recognize that. Our 3 biggest needs on this team are Oline, WR, and DB, followed by the K position. Right now we have these current players at those positions who are counted on to make an impact:

Bowe,Parker,Webb,Sippio,Waters,McIntosh,Nuswinger,Taylor,Brackenridge,Surtain,Patterson, Johnson.

Really out of that group I only see 3 at the most, players worthy of making any impact this season. We are getting younger, but you can also get better in the process and the Chiefs aren't doing anything to address these needs. We can't get better just by with our draft picks. We have 10, we also have about 20 holes on this team.

Just how in the **** can anyone evaluate Croyle if his ass is planted on the turf once every 6 snaps?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!

How can he get better when he doesn't have any WR's that can get open??!?!?!?!?!?!

How can he be nearly as effective if he has no running game to lean on?!?!?!?!?!

Right now this team is headed for the laughing stock of the NFL. We have ABSOLUTELY no offense, period. Our defense is on the verge of being avg to good, but not good enough to where it can take over games which Herm envisions.

Not only will we be not any good this season or next, it will take 3 just to be average in this league. You'ce heard all of the signs....

Chiefs OC Gailey: "If you think I'm gonna draw up some fancy pass play on 3rd n long, I'm not gonna do it. I'm gonna run the draw and then punt the ball."

WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!? This isn't a good sign for developing any QB. Let's just have our offense give up after 2 downs of offense. No wonder players on this teamed constantly griped about the gameplan.

If we are in the top 25 in offense next season I will be absolutely shocked. IF we win more than 3 games next season I will be absolutely be shocked.

pr_capone
03-01-2008, 05:54 PM
With people like Kennison, Dunn and Samie Parker out the door, the Chiefs could use help at tight end and wide receiver, too.

Did I miss something?

whoman69
03-01-2008, 07:10 PM
Third and long for the Chiefs was anything eight yards or over last year. If our OC is saying that, its really no change.

I have to agree that you don't allow your young players to develop if you surround them with mediocre to poor talent. It becomes exascerbated by the pedestrian offensive strategy. I think Herm is trying to get the club at the level they were at last year. Its going to be tough to improve to that level again. He is counting on being able to turn us around like the Packers did this year. I don't see Brett Farve on our roster. This club is going to look more like the '88 Cowboys.

jAZ
03-01-2008, 07:24 PM
...a foot injury that sidelined him for all but eight games in 2007...
Wouldn't that just be "sidelined him for eight games"?

T-post Tom
03-01-2008, 07:32 PM
"It happens." Did he borrow that from Herm? Cuz it sounds a lot like "Get over it." :cuss::cuss::cuss:

the Talking Can
03-01-2008, 07:39 PM
It's a bold move by Edwards after a 4-12 finish, but sources close to the team say Chiefs owner Clark Hunt will be patient and Edwards is not under must-win orders.


and this ends today's lesson about the difference between what people say publicly to appease True Fans and what they know privately to be the truth....

Tribal Warfare
03-01-2008, 08:02 PM
I think Herm is gonna be hoping for Glenn Dorsey.



Or Ellis

shaneo69
03-01-2008, 08:07 PM
Is Clark Judge still on the Chiefs' payroll as a writer for KCChiefs.com?

So the Chiefs top 3 or 4 targets in free agency, which Clark Hunt and Herm both admitted that we will utilize without going overboard, are all gone, and, oh well, "it happens".

No, Mr. Judge, it doesn't happen to good teams. This organization sucks.

Signing Demorrio Williams to replace Nap Harris would be an absolute joke. Yeah, sure, it would probably be an improvement, but to sign a guy to replace a free agent from one year ago is unheard of. Who the fukc gets held accountable in this freakin' organization?

ChiefsCountry
03-01-2008, 08:27 PM
Signing Demorrio Williams to replace Nap Harris would be an absolute joke. Yeah, sure, it would probably be an improvement, but to sign a guy to replace a free agent from one year ago is unheard of. Who the fukc gets held accountable in this freakin' organization?

Williams is an OLB, probally replace Donnie Edwards.

Micjones
03-01-2008, 08:32 PM
Williams is an OLB, probally replace Donnie Edwards.

That's the part that will help me swallow the Demorrio Williams pill if he signs.
But Edwards is here for at least another year, maybe two so... I wonder if this is the best timing for finding his successor?

ChiefsCountry
03-01-2008, 08:34 PM
That's the part that will help me swallow the Demorrio Williams pill if he signs.
But Edwards is here for at least another year, maybe two so... I wonder if this is the best timing for finding his successor?

The thing with older players you never know. Still we need linebacker depth as we have none. And its nice to get a former starting player as depth.

Logical
03-01-2008, 08:57 PM
Best thing about no expectations, they will either be exceeded or met.:D

melbar
03-01-2008, 09:00 PM
2 years of what we had last year. I know I'm excited!

Bowser
03-01-2008, 09:01 PM
Best thing about no expectations, they will either be exceeded or met.:D

That should be in somebody's sig.