Derrick Johnson

[Chiefmanwillcatch]

Was he our 'high' no.1 pick?

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d804f895a

Watch the first big play by the broncs. He gets 'destroyed' by their fullback.

Aren't high picks suppose to dominate lower picks?

I'm sorry but this guy is SOFT and no leader. Another overrated player.

[Mecca]

He is what he is......people put way to much expectations on him. People thought he was gonna be Derrick Brooks.

[Bowser]

He is what he is......people put way to much expectations on him. People thought he was gonna be Derrick Brooks.

Hell, I remember people calling him the next Derrick Thomas.

[Bowser]

And he might not be all-world, but he's solid. He was on his way to a very good season before he got dinged up. I have no problem with him starting at linebacker for the Chiefs.

[Sure-Oz]

I thought he was supposed to be a STUD coming out of college...i remember the panthers took a LB also that we thought about, but haven't heard what happend to him.

[CoMoChief]

I thought he was supposed to be a STUD coming out of college...i remember the panthers took a LB also that we thought about, but haven't heard what happend to him.

CAR took Thomas Davis who actually was a safety.

[Chiefmanwillcatch]

We have problems. Donnie Edwards is slipping too ,fast.

We need a tough physical linebacker.

[JBucc]

He hasn't been the all pro everyone expected but he's still been good. I hope we just let him loose this year. Supposedly coverage was a strong point but I haven't seen it. I say let him attack the ball carrier and LOS.

[TRR]

DJ played near a Pro Bowl level last season. Nearly 100 tackles at OLB, 4 sacks, 2 INt's, and 2 FF's...And he was dinged up. He is really coming on as an OLB. For every clip of him getting "destroyed"...I can show you two where he is making one hell of an athletic play.

[Demonpenz]

He hasn't produced the turnovers you would expect. I figured he would get beat up on the run and lack other area's but get strips and sacks and not flat out whiff on tackles. He will be solid.

[chief52]

Hell of a linebacker. Solid draft pick. Too bad they can not hit on all the draft picks like they did this guy. Give the personnel department credit where credit is due.

[Mecca]

DJ played near a Pro Bowl level last season. Nearly 100 tackles at OLB, 4 sacks, 2 INt's, and 2 FF's...And he was dinged up. He is really coming on as an OLB. For every clip of him getting "destroyed"...I can show you two where he is making one hell of an athletic play.

He'd have to be alot better than that to make the Pro Bowl, there is ridiculous LB play all over the league..to make it playing the kind of game he does you have to be Lance Briggs good and he hasn't hit close to that yet.

I think the biggest problem with him is that he'll make a great play then he disappears for 3 quarters then you see him again.

[wutamess]

DJ played near a Pro Bowl level last season. Nearly 100 tackles at OLB, 4 sacks, 2 INt's, and 2 FF's...And he was dinged up. He is really coming on as an OLB. For every clip of him getting "destroyed"...I can show you two where he is making one hell of an athletic play.


:stupid:

The guy was constantly in the backfield and blowing up plays. The guy's a keeper.

It's truly the offseason.
Pick someone else to pry on.

Not DJ

[Chiefmanwillcatch]

DJ played near a Pro Bowl level last season. Nearly 100 tackles at OLB, 4 sacks, 2 INt's, and 2 FF's...And he was dinged up. He is really coming on as an OLB. For every clip of him getting "destroyed"...I can show you two where he is making one hell of an athletic play.

You're probably right. Not the value though at no.1.

Operates more like a good 2nd or 3rd round pick.

[Demonpenz]

lance briggs also has some damn good help around him

[SBK]

I would be willing to be all my casino cash that if we upgraded our DT play our LB play would look a lot better. Give DJ some help and he'll look like the guy he was drafted to be.

[Mecca]

lance briggs also has some damn good help around him

Hey that's true, but for being where he was picked DJ is goig to have higher expectations because LB is a position where front line players good in the mid rounds every year.

I don't dislike him or think he was a bad pick, but he hasn't lived up to what people expected.

[Demonpenz]

the one that bites is pollard. I hated that pick from the start.

[Bowser]

Hey that's true, but for being where he was picked DJ is goig to have higher expectations because LB is a position where front line players good in the mid rounds every year.

I don't dislike him or think he was a bad pick, but he hasn't lived up to what people expected.

People remember his crazy, crushing sacks when he was at Texas, like when he ran all the way across the field to strip Jason White of the ball. So naturally, he has to make a play like that regularly in the NFL, or he's a bust in many opinions.

[Sure-Oz]

CAR took Thomas Davis who actually was a safety.

that's who it was....i heard we were rumored to draft him, cause he was a rock solid hitter. havent heard much from his nfl career

[Demonpenz]

he did it his first game against pennington he hasn't really done it since.

[chief52]

You're probably right. Not the value though at no.1.

Operates more like a good 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Pro bowl is #1 type. He has not made it yet, but will. What part of this was a good selection do you seem to be misunderstanding?

[Bowser]

he did it his first game against pennington he hasn't really done it since.

He had a similar sack against Alex Smith....

[BigRock]

DJ was a beast in the first month of the season. Gun was sending him after the QB all the time and DJ had 3 sacks in the first few games. He finished the season with 4 sacks.

WTF, Gun?

[TRR]

He'd have to be alot better than that to make the Pro Bowl, there is ridiculous LB play all over the league..to make it playing the kind of game he does you have to be Lance Briggs good and he hasn't hit close to that yet.

I think the biggest problem with him is that he'll make a great play then he disappears for 3 quarters then you see him again.

If DJ was turned loose like Lance Briggs is (and had the help that Briggs does)...You would see him make those kind of plays. He has a lot of different responsibilities than Briggs does in Chicago.

[chief52]

I don't dislike him or think he was a bad pick, but he hasn't lived up to what people expected.


Who are these "people" you speak of? Idiots that think he was going to be the next DT? Ya', not a problem Hall of Fame types come to you every day.

[Direckshun]

So what.

The guy had one bad play, cry me a river.

And for the record, Cecil Sapp is a great FB.

[Sure-Oz]

I think DJ will continue to get better, hopefully to a probowl level soon...we couldve ****ed that pick up but didnt atleast

[ThaVirus]

I think he's a fine player and the one I'm least worried about on the team. Just a notch below Merriman and Ware, which is what I'd expect with him going a few spots after the two. I will admit though, I have been expecting him to force more turnovers...

[Chiefs_5627]

Offseason is getting rough for some of you?!? :shake:

[Chiefs_5627]

Was he our 'high' no.1 pick?

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d804f895a

Watch the first big play by the broncs. He gets 'destroyed' by their fullback.

Aren't high picks suppose to dominate lower picks?

I'm sorry but this guy is SOFT and no leader. Another overrated player.



Isnt that Pat Thomas...#55? Look again. Sure looks like 55 to me.

[PHOG]

You're probably right. Not the value though at no.1.

Operates more like a good 2nd or 3rd round pick.


You're serious??

[Eleazar]

He's not Derrick Brooks but no one is.

We'd have to get a lot, lot better before he'd be a weak link on our defense.

[Rausch]

Watching TRich p0wn Ray Lewis 3 or 4 years ago is a clear example. Proof-positive for your point. Ray-Ray is no team leader, and clearly, underperforming...

[alanm]

DJ played near a Pro Bowl level last season. Nearly 100 tackles at OLB, 4 sacks, 2 INt's, and 2 FF's...And he was dinged up. He is really coming on as an OLB. For every clip of him getting "destroyed"...I can show you two where he is making one hell of an athletic play.
Exactly, I thought this past season was a big step forward for Johnson.
He's solid at the moment. The acclaim will come.

[Rain Man]

DJ was a beast in the first month of the season. Gun was sending him after the QB all the time and DJ had 3 sacks in the first few games. He finished the season with 4 sacks.

WTF, Gun?

Yeah, it was looking like he was going to have a killer year, and then all of a sudden - poof! - he was gone. I don't know if he settled back down or if they changed how they used him or if opponents started tracking him in their game plans.

Overall, I'm not disappointed at all with DJ. It's pretty obvious that he's got a ton of talent. I think to some extent playing the strong side makes him less visible. If he shuts down the tight end in pass coverage, we never see him and he doesn't get tackles.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

he is soft because he got blocked on a play once?

[Chiefs_5627]

Isnt that Pat Thomas...#55? Look again. Sure looks like 55 to me.

Anybody? :shrug:

[BigRock]

Yeah, it was looking like he was going to have a killer year, and then all of a sudden - poof! - he was gone. I don't know if he settled back down or if they changed how they used him or if opponents started tracking him in their game plans.
Gun just stopped sending him, as far as I can tell. Early on in the season Gun was giving this look where DJ lined up as a defensive end and either Allen or Hali would move inside to defensive tackle. So we had DJ, Allen, Hali, and Boone as the 4 linemen rushing the passer. And I'd swear it worked every time they ran it.

They were using that formation in the play against the Chargers where DJ got the sack, Rivers coughed up the ball, and it was returned for a TD. On that one, Brackenridge also came on a blitz and picked up the fumble. But Rivers never had a chance with DJ, Allen, and Hali swarming him.

And by mid-October, it's like they stopped doing that stuff altogether.

[kcchiefsus]

His problem is he is playing out of position at SLB. I wish he could man the WLB spot where he would be able to make more plays.

[Rain Man]

Anybody? :shrug:

I'd love to check, but for some reason I can't load videos off of some sites. The NFL site is apparently one of those.

[kcchiefsus]

He'd have to be alot better than that to make the Pro Bowl, there is ridiculous LB play all over the league..to make it playing the kind of game he does you have to be Lance Briggs good and he hasn't hit close to that yet.

I think the biggest problem with him is that he'll make a great play then he disappears for 3 quarters then you see him again.

Well maybe if he was allowed to play WLB like Lance Briggs does he would make more plays.

[Chiefs_5627]

I'd love to check, but for some reason I can't load videos off of some sites. The NFL site is apparently one of those.

Crap! Oh well. :sulk:

['Hamas' Jenkins]

DJ is a very, very good player. The biggest problem with him is that he doesn't have a D-Line that has allowed him the freedom to truly tear shit up. If we hold on to Allen and have a D-Line of Allen, Hali, Dorsey/Ellis, and Tank/Boone, He will have a hell of a lot more room to operate.

LB's are by and large as good as their D-Line.

[BigMeatballDave]

Anybody? :shrug:I think you're correct.

[htismaqe]

My problem at the moment is that this is the second year in a row that the excuse (reason) for DJ not living up to expectations is INJURY.

The guy is gonna have to get tougher if he wants to get to a pro-bowl level.

[htismaqe]

that's who it was....i heard we were rumored to draft him, cause he was a rock solid hitter. havent heard much from his nfl career

The Panthers had moved him back and forth from LB to safety and he struggled to get settled. He finally settled in this past year and played pretty good down the stretch.

According to NFL.com he finished with 88 tackles and 3 sacks.

[jspchief]

So let me get this straight.

The criteria for DJ's evaluation is "Aren't high picks suppose to dominate lower picks?" I wonder what Tom Brady thinks of that.

The proof that DJ doesn't meet that criteria is one play? Awesome.

As for how many sacks he has, the guy was never known for making sacks. It's not what he did in college. Furthermore, this isn't the 1980s. Linebackers don't rack up sack numbers like they once did. When's the last time a non 3-4 LB posted double digit sacks in the the NFL?

[htismaqe]

So let me get this straight.

The criteria for DJ's evaluation is "Aren't high picks suppose to dominate lower picks?" I wonder what Tom Brady thinks of that.

The proof that DJ doesn't meet that criteria is one play? Awesome.

As for how many sacks he has, the guy was never known for making sacks. It's not what he did in college. Furthermore, this isn't the 1980s. Linebackers don't rack up sack numbers like they once did. When's the last time a non 3-4 LB posted double digit sacks in the the NFL?

I can only speak for me, but the criteria for DJ's evaluation was that the people I listen to (members here, radio personalities, etc.) are big Big XII homers and we were told that he was going to be the next big thing. He's not the next big thing, far from it.

And no, it's not about the sacks. What DJ was KNOWN for was creating turnovers, which he just hasn't done in the NFL.

[chief52]

I can only speak for me, but the criteria for DJ's evaluation was that the people I listen to (members here, radio personalities, etc.) are big Big XII homers and we were told that he was going to be the next big thing. He's not the next big thing, far from it.

And no, it's not about the sacks. What DJ was KNOWN for was creating turnovers, which he just hasn't done in the NFL.

So you believed clueless homers so now that is DJ's fault? That appears to be your argument.

Very solid draft choice who has been exactly as I would have expected. Young guy who will make the Pro Bowl. Hall of Famer? No, but who is?

[htismaqe]

So you believed clueless homers so now that is DJ's fault? That appears to be your argument.

Very solid draft choice who has been exactly as I would have expected. Young guy who will make the Pro Bowl. Hall of Famer? No, but who is?

Clueless homers? Hardly. There's alot of scouts in that mix too. DJ was an EXPLOSIVE player in college. Now he's just a SOLID player. That's not a good thing.

As for making the Pro Bowl, at this point he's not even close to making a Pro Bowl...

[StcChief]

talent level around him will elevate his game.

[stonedstooge]

Mecca--You want to cut him too?

[htismaqe]

talent level around him will elevate his game.

I'd like to think it will.

I think there's a few guys, DJ being one, that have to be so concerned with the scheme right now and not giving up big plays that they're just not playing at that "reckless abandon" level.

[chief52]

"Clueless homers? Hardly. There's alot of scouts in that mix too."


I can only speak for me, but the criteria for DJ's evaluation was that the people I listen to (members here, radio personalities, etc.) are big Big XII homers and we were told that he was going to be the next big thing. He's not the next big thing, far from it.



Looks to me like you said the guys you were listening to were Big XII homers. Maybe I am misreading your post, but I do not see anything about scouts in the mix.

He is playing at just about the level he was projected to play from what I read. Good, solid three year starter with Pro Bowl possibilities. Works for me.

[htismaqe]

Looks to me like you said the guys you were listening to were Big XII homers. Maybe I am misreading your post, but I do not see anything about scouts in the mix.

I'm saying Big XII homers in retrospect because they were all people with opinions I respect (some of them were radio personalities and scouts) and hadn't given any indication that they were homers prior to the DJ pick.

He is playing at just about the level he was projected to play from what I read. Good, solid three year starter with Pro Bowl possibilities. Works for me.

He's not playing like a 15th-overall pick. And I don't see any pro bowl possibilities unless his play improves pretty dramatically.

[jspchief]

Personally, I'm pretty happy with DJ's play overall. I think he's shown flashes of what he can be if he's ever surrounded with talent.

I certainly can't think of anyone drafted after him that I would have rather had, even with hindsight (sleepers excluded).

[htismaqe]

I certainly can't think of anyone drafted after him that I would have rather had, even with hindsight (sleepers excluded).

That's an interesting way to look at it, one that I hadn't thought of...

[Brock]

he's a good player, probably a 10 year starter.

[The Franchise]

Isnt that Pat Thomas...#55? Look again. Sure looks like 55 to me.

I finally got a chance to look at the video. That looked like #55 Pat Thomas to me.....not #56.

[Chiefnj2]

2005 ended up being a semi-poor draft. After Johnson at 15 there really haven't been a lot of good picks in the first round.

He's not an impact game changer at this point, but then again, no KC linebacker has emerged in recent years.

[htismaqe]

no KC linebacker has emerged in recent years.

Despite the tutelage of super LB coach Gunther Cunningham... :hmmm:

[L.A. Chieffan]

Derrick Johnson doesn't create turnovers?

What constitutes a turnover? I would say INTs and FFs, yes?

Combining those two stats only 3 LBs IN THE LEAGUE had more turnovers than DJ.

[Chiefnj2]

Despite the tutelage of super LB coach Gunther Cunningham... :hmmm:

Isn't it odd as hell that when Gun went to Tennessee the LB play improved across the board, then he returns to KC and it has just been bust after bust?

[Brock]

Isn't it odd as hell that when Gun went to Tennessee the LB play improved across the board, then he returns to KC and it has just been bust after bust?

It isn't odd, it just means he should be a linebacker coach instead of a defensive coordinator.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Maybe somebody knows a site that keeps track of TFL stats because I'm willing to bet that DJ is among the top in the league in that category as well

[jspchief]

Maybe somebody knows a site that keeps track of TFL stats because I'm willing to bet that DJ is among the top in the league in that category as well
ESPN tracks it in their team by team stats. I'll do a quick scan for 2007 to see where he stands.

[htismaqe]

Isn't it odd as hell that when Gun went to Tennessee the LB play improved across the board, then he returns to KC and it has just been bust after bust?

It's weird, because as soon as Marty left, our linebacking went downhill almost immediately. And it wasn't just under Gun, we ruined a few good LB's under Vermeil and Robinson.

[jspchief]

Maybe somebody knows a site that keeps track of TFL stats because I'm willing to bet that DJ is among the top in the league in that category as well
DJ had 14 TFL in 2007, leading the NFL.

FWIW: Only 3 other players even had double digits. EJ Henderson and Lance Cole had 12.5, Lance Briggs had 12. Next highest was 9 for Jared Allen and DJ Williams. The average leader for a team was probably in the neighborhood of 6 TFL.

[htismaqe]

That's pretty impressive.

You guys should read this. The author seems to insinuate that our coaches are the cause of DJ's "issues".

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/21436.html

[L.A. Chieffan]

DJ had 14 TFL in 2007, leading the NFL.

FWIW: Only 3 other players even had double digits. EJ Henderson and Lance Cole had 12.5, Lance Briggs had 12. Next highest was 9 for Jared Allen and DJ Williams. The average leader for a team was probably in the neighborhood of 6 TFL.

Well, I don't wanna brag but.....:evil:

[L.A. Chieffan]

Are we still seriously considering this guy is a bust or is it just offseason hysterics and doldrums

[jspchief]

BTW, Jared Allen has posted TFL stats of 11 ('06) and 9 ('07) in the last two years to accompany his sack totals.

Anyone that has spent time on this site claiming Allen is not a top tier DE is full of shit.

[Bowser]

That's pretty impressive.

You guys should read this. The author seems to insinuate that our coaches are the cause of DJ's "issues".

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/21436.html

Good read, thanks for the link.

I think they pretty much summed up our linebacking corp.

[chief52]

Are we still seriously considering this guy is a bust or is it just offseason hysterics and doldrums

Offseason hysterics and doldrums and theatrics IMO.

[jspchief]

Are we still seriously considering this guy is a bust or is it just offseason hysterics and doldrums
No doubt. The guy has been a NFL starter quality from the day he stepped on the field. Why anyone would choose to target him with all the bums on our roster is beyond me. Some people must just hate rooting for their "favorite" team.

[Brock]

All people look at is sacks.

[L.A. Chieffan]

No doubt. The guy has been a NFL starter quality from the day he stepped on the field. Why anyone would choose to target him with all the bums on our roster is beyond me. Some people must just hate rooting for their "favorite" team.

Word, I'm more of a realistic fan than most on this board (I still think hiring Gailey will do nothing to improve our O) but picking on one of the few guys we have that actually makes plays is just moronic.

[htismaqe]

Are we still seriously considering this guy is a bust or is it just offseason hysterics and doldrums

I don't think anybody considers him a bust. He's a 3-year starter and a solid player. Some of us would like to see him hit that "next level".

[htismaqe]

Word, I'm more of a realistic fan than most on this board (I still think hiring Gailey will do nothing to improve our O) but picking on one of the few guys we have that actually makes plays is just moronic.

The guy was a top pick. If we're going to win a Super Bowl, we NEED him to step up.

He's supposed to be a cornerstone player, plain and simple.

[Sure-Oz]

I don't think anybody considers him a bust. He's a 3-year starter and a solid player. Some of us would like to see him hit that "next level".

Yeah im ready to see him breakout as well...i still think he could be used more to rush.

[L.A. Chieffan]

I don't think anybody considers him a bust. He's a 3-year starter and a solid player. Some of us would like to see him hit that "next level".

The OP said he was overrated, SOFT, and obviously not worthy of a 1st round pick. Pretty much meaning he's a BUST. A few others (!) agreed.

I know you didn't say that and I can't wait till he gets over the injury bug, stops listening to our inept coaches and destroys the league

[L.A. Chieffan]

Yeah im ready to see him breakout as well...i still think he could be used more to rush.

More brilliant play calling from our defensive brain-trust

[The Franchise]

That's pretty impressive.

You guys should read this. The author seems to insinuate that our coaches are the cause of DJ's "issues".

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/21436.html

I found this pretty refreshing to hear. I wonder where I've heard it before.

"But barring a breakout from Tyler or McBride when they get the opportunity, the Chiefs could still use an elite tackle to truly make their defense special. A Warren Sapp-like presence coming from the middle, combined with pass-rushing ends like Allen and Hali, would make Kansas City's defensive line arguably one of the league's best.

Edwards wants to build a dominating defense like the one he helped run in Tampa Bay, and it all starts on the line. Knowing that, it raises the possibility of the team looking at LSU's Glenn Dorsey or USC's Sedrick Ellis in the upcoming draft, should either be available when the Chiefs go on the clock with the fifth overall pick.

And as the New York Giants showed last season, there's no harm in having multiple pass rushers coming after the quarterback. The presence of Allen and Hali shouldn't prevent the team from looking at ends like Virginia's Chris Long and Ohio State's Vernon Gholston. And adding one of those players would provide insurance in case Allen were to actually leave."

[Sure-Oz]

I found this pretty refreshing to hear. I wonder where I've heard it before.

"But barring a breakout from Tyler or McBride when they get the opportunity, the Chiefs could still use an elite tackle to truly make their defense special. A Warren Sapp-like presence coming from the middle, combined with pass-rushing ends like Allen and Hali, would make Kansas City's defensive line arguably one of the league's best.

Edwards wants to build a dominating defense like the one he helped run in Tampa Bay, and it all starts on the line. Knowing that, it raises the possibility of the team looking at LSU's Glenn Dorsey or USC's Sedrick Ellis in the upcoming draft, should either be available when the Chiefs go on the clock with the fifth overall pick.

And as the New York Giants showed last season, there's no harm in having multiple pass rushers coming after the quarterback. The presence of Allen and Hali shouldn't prevent the team from looking at ends like Virginia's Chris Long and Ohio State's Vernon Gholston. And adding one of those players would provide insurance in case Allen were to actually leave."

Hopefully true, id love ellis or dorsey... we need a force and a leader on this defense besides JA.

[htismaqe]

The OP said he was overrated, SOFT, and obviously not worthy of a 1st round pick. Pretty much meaning he's a BUST. A few others (!) agreed.

I know you didn't say that and I can't wait till he gets over the injury bug, stops listening to our inept coaches and destroys the league

He is overrated, at least IMO. And I am concerned that he seems to be dinged up alot.

That being said, he's hardly a bust.

[htismaqe]

I found this pretty refreshing to hear. I wonder where I've heard it before.

"But barring a breakout from Tyler or McBride when they get the opportunity, the Chiefs could still use an elite tackle to truly make their defense special. A Warren Sapp-like presence coming from the middle, combined with pass-rushing ends like Allen and Hali, would make Kansas City's defensive line arguably one of the league's best.

Edwards wants to build a dominating defense like the one he helped run in Tampa Bay, and it all starts on the line. Knowing that, it raises the possibility of the team looking at LSU's Glenn Dorsey or USC's Sedrick Ellis in the upcoming draft, should either be available when the Chiefs go on the clock with the fifth overall pick.

And as the New York Giants showed last season, there's no harm in having multiple pass rushers coming after the quarterback. The presence of Allen and Hali shouldn't prevent the team from looking at ends like Virginia's Chris Long and Ohio State's Vernon Gholston. And adding one of those players would provide insurance in case Allen were to actually leave."

It's good to see it in print.

I understand how bad our o-line is. I understand that it's the low-hanging fruit out there begging to be fixed.

But if we had this kind of defensive line last year, we probably would have won 4 or 5 more games, despite our offense. Look at how many 2nd-half leads we surrendered...

[L.A. Chieffan]

He is overrated, at least IMO. And I am concerned that he seems to be dinged up alot.

That being said, he's hardly a bust.

Why overrated smaqe? If anything, judging by some of the idiotic responses on this thread and then seeing the actual stats and facts, I would say underrated.

I think our staff is the reason he hasn't gone to the next level yet

[The Franchise]

It's good to see it in print.

I understand how bad our o-line is. I understand that it's the low-hanging fruit out there begging to be fixed.

But if we had this kind of defensive line last year, we probably would have won 4 or 5 more games, despite our offense. Look at how many 2nd-half leads we surrendered...

I completely agree. I could understand being hard up for an OT with our 1st round pick if the OT talent was short in this years draft.....but it's not. If we can grab Ellis or Dorsey in the 1st and an OT in the 2nd....I'd be ecstatic.

[beach tribe]

You're probably right. Not the value though at no.1.

Operates more like a good 2nd or 3rd round pick.

:rolleyes:

[htismaqe]

Why overrated smaqe? If anything, judging by some of the idiotic responses on this thread and then seeing the actual stats and facts, I would say underrated.

Because the general concensus was that the guy was going to be a gamechanger, his FORTE was forcing turnovers.

So far, he's not doing that.

I think our staff is the reason he hasn't gone to the next level yet

I agree.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

He is overrated, at least IMO. And I am concerned that he seems to be dinged up alot.


he has started 45 out of 48 games in his career.

jeez, you people are ridiculous. a football player misses 3 games in 3 years, and people complain that he is "soft" and "dinged up alot." next thing we'll hear is that he is "injury prone" and a "liability" and we should cut him and sign a 17-year-old because he's getting too old.

[htismaqe]

he has started 45 out of 48 games in his career.

jeez, you people are ridiculous. a football player misses 3 games in 3 years, and people complain that he is "soft" and "dinged up alot." next thing we'll hear is that he is "injury prone" and a "liability" and we should cut him and sign a 17-year-old because he's getting too old.

It's not just about the missed games. It's that when he's returned to the lineup after those injuries his production has fallen off sharply.

Nobody jumped to those conclusions but you.

[Chiefnj2]

I still think a Gunther/Herm combo is part of the problem. Gun is an attack minded DC and Herm likes the patience of a cover 2. Interesting that the article noticed that DJ was used differently at the end of the first month and his production dropped.

[htismaqe]

I still think a Gunther/Herm combo is part of the problem. Gun is an attack minded DC and Herm likes the patience of a cover 2. Interesting that the article noticed that DJ was used differently at the end of the first month and his production dropped.

It's pretty obvious that coaching is a problem with this team, on both sides of the ball.

[LiL stumppy]

This is a stupid thread. People are going to get blocked, LB's will get blocked. Because a FB blocks you, doesn't mean you suck or are overrated, that is ridiculous. Randy Moss drops passes, Manning throws INT, I mean it's going to happen. You can't base a guys skill off one play.

[Rain Man]

This is a stupid thread. People are going to get blocked, LB's will get blocked. Because a FB blocks you, doesn't mean you suck or are overrated, that is ridiculous. Randy Moss drops passes, Manning throws INT, I mean it's going to happen. You can't base a guys skill off one play.


Bill Buckner just sent you rep, I bet.

[htismaqe]

You can't base a guys skill off one play.

Other than possibly the thread starter, nobody was.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Bill Buckner just sent you rep, I bet.

ROFL

[Coogs]

You can't base a guys skill off one play.

I have not read this thread at all, but doesn't that statement go against the very foundation of the entire ChiefsPlanet?

[Chiefs_5627]

Other than possibly the thread starter, nobody was.

Funny part is i dont think that was even DJ in the first play, it was Pat Thomas #55. :D

[LiL stumppy]

Other than possibly the thread starter, nobody was.

That's who my post was directed to.