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kchero
04-02-2008, 09:15 PM
Its obvious it was a difficult choice for Roy to stay or go. Sorry if this is a repost.

http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1146&CID=793018

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. Outside the door and down the steps, they're waiting for him with cameras.

Roy Williams' press conference begins in 2 minutes, but as he paces about his digs at the Smith Center, the North Carolina basketball coach hardly seems hurried as he points toward the wall and begins to count.



Roy Williams knows emotions will run high when hsi Tar Heels face his former team on Saturday.
"That's Drew Gooden and I at the Wooden Award ceremony," says Williams, motioning toward a photo. "There's Nick Collison Jeff Boschee Paul Pierce Allen Fieldhouse on Senior Day."

Each shelf is stacked with stories, each wall mounted with memories from Williams' 15-year tenure as Kansas' head coach.

A final tally reveals that 34 pieces of Jayhawks memorabilia adorn Williams' second-floor office. There's even a picture of North Carolina and NBA legend Michael Jordan wearing a Kansas shirt. Jordan requested it after working one of Williams' camps more than a decade ago.

"He was on his way to speak at a Boys and Girls Club," Williams says. "And he told me he wanted to let everyone to know where he stood."

Williams reaches for his desk and fiddles with a Kirk Hinrich bobblehead. His eyes sparkle and his voice booms with energy. Each time he talks about his former team his former school he says he can't help but smile.

If only folks in Lawrence could do the same.

Three days before North Carolina takes the court in the Final Four, the coach who tells his players to "enjoy the ride" is having trouble heeding his own advice. That's because the Tar Heels are matched against Kansas the one school Williams prayed he'd never have to play.

"He's dreading this for a number of reasons," Williams' son, Scott, said. "He's thrilled to be in the Final Four, and he won't lose his focus when he's on the court. But from a personal standpoint I know this is bothering him a great deal."

As if trying to defeat his former school isn't burdensome enough, Williams is aware that a large group of Jayhawks fans are still livid with him for leaving Kansas for North Carolina his alma mater in 2003.

Williams guided Kansas to four Final Fours during his time in Lawrence, yet the crowd goes bananas when a losing North Carolina score is announced at Allen Fieldhouse. He won more games than any coach in the 1990s, but "Benedict Williams" shirts are still seen frequently throughout town.

Kansas claimed conference championships in nine of Williams' final 13 seasons, but in the Jayhawks' pregame highlight video, his image is shown only for a few seconds.

And even then, almost on cue, fans hiss.

"I know he hears those stories, and I know it hurts him," said Boschee, who played for Williams from 1998-2002. "He's a sensitive guy. He doesn't care what people think about his coaching. But I think he listens to comments about what type of person he is. He takes great pride in his character.

"It really is ridiculous. The people who boo him are childish. They need to get over it."

Some have, but even Williams' staunchest supporters know the focus of Saturday's national semifinal won't be Kansas vs. North Carolina. It'll be Kansas vs. Roy. That, more than anything, has Williams on edge as he prepares for the most emotional game of his career.

"We can sit here for two hours and talk about all the negative things," Williams said. "But the negative things should only take about one percent of our time. This should be about a great Kansas team playing a great North Carolina team. That other stuff should command about one percent of our attention.

"The fact that it's not isn't very pleasant."


Hard feelings linger

Tuesday night, in the middle of all his game prep, media responsibilities and film sessions, Roy Williams found time for a quiet dinner at his home with family friend Ted Seagroves.

The crab legs and Caesar salad were delicious. But when he looked across the table at his buddy, Ted sensed something wasn't right.

"It was obvious," he said, "that Roy was hurting."

Earlier in the day, Williams read an Associated Press article about the family-owned barbershop where he used to get his haircut in Lawrence. Williams' picture was once displayed prominently in the front of the store. Now it hangs near the commode in the restroom or as it's been re-named, The Roy Room.


Williams at Kansas
Year Rec. NCAA tourney result
'88-89 19-12 ---
'89-90 30-5 2nd round
'90-91 27-8 Nat'l runnerup
'91-92 27-5 2nd round
'92-93 29-7 Final Four
'93-94 27-8 Sweet 16
'94-95 25-6 Sweet 16
'95-96 29-5 Elite Eight
'96-97 34-2 Sweet 16
'97-98 35-4 2nd round
'98-99 23-10 2nd round
'99-00 24-10 2nd round
'00-01 26-7 Sweet 16
'01-02 33-4 Final Four
'02-03 30-8 Nat'l runnerup
Total 418-101 (.805)
Williams at Kansas
Year Rec. NCAA tourney result
'03-04 19-11 2nd round
'04-05 33-4 Champions
'05-06 23-8 2nd round
'06-07 31-7 Elite Eight
'07-08 36-2 Final Four (in progress)
Total 142-32 (.816)
"We figured if Roy had stuck around, they would have named a building after him," owner John Amyx said. "So we decided to name a room after him. That seemed to be the best place to see his picture, too."
Seagroves said Tuesday wasn't the first time his friend had been disappointed by a derogatory article.

"He still reads the paper and hears those comments," Seagroves said. "You can see the hurt in him when he talks about it now. I don't think he expected such strong resentment from the fans and folks there. He loves Kansas. There's a part of him that would still love to be there."

As much as those situations upset Williams, some Jayhawk faithful say they have plenty of reasons to be angry, too.

Many of them refer to Williams as a traitor and a turncoat and say he "betrayed" them when he left Kansas for North Carolina.

"People view the situation like a messy divorce or an ugly breakup," said Scott Buxton, one of Williams' closest friends in Lawrence. "It's a shame they have to be so mean-spirited about it."

For most Kansas fans, the biggest problem with Williams' departure wasn't so much that he left, but that he did so three years after vowing to finish his career as a Jayhawk.

Williams flirted with the North Carolina job when the Tar Heels tried to woo him in 2000. Then, with nearly 15,000 Kansans watching on the Memorial Stadium JumboTron, he gave his famous "I'm stayin'" speech. The future of the Jayhawks' program seemed set.

Things changed, though, over the next few years.

The Jayhawks enjoyed tremendous success on the court reaching the Final Four in 2002 and 2003 but away from it Williams was often miserable. The athletic director who hired him, Bob Frederick, had been forced out in the spring of 2001 and replaced with Al Bohl.

Williams' relationship with Bohl was strained from the get-go, and the administrative goings-on caused him so much discontent that, when the Tar Heels offered him the job again in 2003, he accepted even though Kansas had tried to appease Williams by firing Bohl less than a week earlier.

Even today, there is a faction of Kansas fans who believe Williams-to-North Carolina II was scripted, and that he and the Tar Heels administration had worked out the deal months before he officially accepted it following KU's loss to Syracuse in the national title game.

"That's so far from the truth that I wouldn't even do it the dignity of discussing it with someone," Williams said. "Other than a serious thing happening to someone in my family, there is no way a situation could bother me any worse."

Indeed, so torn was Williams that, during the week when he was attempting to make his decision, he'd wake up in the middle of the night, dart toward to the toilet and throw up.

The weekend after the Final Four, Williams still hadn't reached a decision. He flew to Los Angeles to attend the Wooden Award ceremony with Collison and stayed at the home of close friend and Kansas booster Dana Anderson.

Anderson said he and Williams discussed his situation in his living room a few hours before he drove him to the airport.

"He had tears in his eyes the whole time," Anderson said.

Williams told Anderson that his mentor, former North Carolina coach Dean Smith, had told him that he was the only coach who could get the Tar Heels' program turned around and that it was time to come home.

Smith, ironically, is a Kansas alum, and Anderson reminded Williams that the Jayhawks once tried to lure Smith back to his alma mater before it hired Ted Owens.

"Dean turned us down," Anderson said. "He told us, 'No, I've built something special at North Carolina and I have to stay.' Then they built the Dean Dome. I told Coach Williams that there will never be a Williams Dome at North Carolina. Apparently I wasn't a very good salesman."

There were other factors.

Williams' sister was not in good health, and he wanted to develop a better relationship with his father, with whom he'd never been close. His wife Wanda's family was in North Carolina, too, and his daughter, Kimberly, attended school there.

Anderson talked about those things with Williams on the drive to the airport that morning. Once they dropped the coach off, Anderson turned to his wife.

"We've lost him," he told her.

The following day Williams announced he was leaving Kansas for North Carolina. By Easter Sunday the Jayhawks had hired Illinois coach Bill Self, who led Kansas to two Elite Eight appearances prior to this year's 35-3 record and Final Four berth.

Still, five years later, there are still plenty of people who snarl at the mention of Williams' name. Not long ago a Kansas writer published an article about Williams on Dec. 25. When the writer went to church that morning he was approached by an angry fan.

"Thanks for ruining my Christmas!" the man snapped.

Joe Holladay hears those stories and shakes his head.

"Most of the people that are griping have changed jobs at least once in their life, I would think," said Holladay, Williams' top assistant at both Kansas and North Carolina. "Who hasn't changed jobs? Who hasn't moved?

"He changed jobs because he wanted to come home. His dad was sick. His wife's family lives here. His kids live and work here. He wanted to go back to where he grew up. A lot of people want to do that.

"It's been five years. You've got a great coach at Kansas. You've got a great program. It's like, get a life, you know? Get over it. Move on."


Still a Kansas fan

Sunday evening, less than an hour after the Jayhawks catapulted into the Final Four with a victory over Davidson, Williams called close friend and Kansas basketball secretary Joanie Stephens.

"Make sure you tell Bill (Self) that I said 'congratulations,'" Williams said.



Williams is as happy as anyone when Bill Self wins games at Kansas.
Despite the animosity that has hovered in Lawrence since his departure, Williams continues to be a huge Kansas fan. He allows the children who attend his North Carolina basketball camp to wear Jayhawks jerseys, and he said his passion for the school will prevent him from ever trying to schedule a game against his old team.

A few years ago Williams said he had trouble watching Kansas on television because former players such as Wayne Simien, Keith Langford, Aaron Miles and Michael Lee were still on the team.

"It was exhilarating to watch them win," Williams said, "and gut-wrenching to see them during the few times they'd struggle."

These days, though, Williams said he couldn't get any more enjoyment over watching players such as Sherron Collins, Russell Robinson and Darnell Jackson.

"The greatest thing and please emphasize this the greatest thing is that Bill is doing such a good job," Williams said. "His teams are winning, they're great kids. The program is moving on. That part I love.

"Those are the things I wish could dominate our feelings and our conversations this week instead of stories about someone hanging my picture over a commode."

Williams leans forward in his chair and takes a sip of his Coca-Cola.

"I don't want to come across as crass," he said, "but if someone can't come to closure with everything by now, it's almost an insult to Bill and his team. And it's an insult to me, because my gosh, it wasn't like I was there two days and left. I was there 15 years."

For all of his detractors, Williams also has scores of supporters the main ones being his former players.

Hinrich, Collison and Billy Thomas have visited Williams in Chapel Hill. Simien, Rex Walters and Greg Gurley were among those who traveled to Springfield, Mass., for his Hall of Fame induction ceremony last fall.

Sunday night, when it became apparent that Kansas would take on North Carolina in the Final Four, Williams fielded phone calls from ex-Jayhawks such as Ryan Robertson and Moulaye Niang.

"The way people have reacted to him leaving says a lot about what kind of coach he is," said Collison, now a forward with the Seattle SuperSonics. "If he hadn't done such a good job people wouldn't care that he's gone.

"Rationally, it might not make much sense. But sometimes, when people really love something like they love Kansas basketball, they don't think rationally."

Back in Lawrence, Williams still counts Buxton, Frederick and Lawrence golf pro Randy Towner among his closest friends. Self has repeatedly praised the job Williams did with Kansas' program over the past few days.

Hall of Fame coach Larry Brown, who coached Kansas to its last national title in 1988, also expressed his admiration for Williams on Tuesday.

"Roy shouldn't have to feel bad about anything," Brown said. "He should be proud of what he did there and happy that Bill Self is carrying it on.

"If there is anyone out there that's angry, it's because he did such a special job there (and now he's gone). If people would think about it a little while if they thought about all the positive things he did for that program and how Bill is carrying it on they'd realize it's a win-win for everyone. If I talked to Roy, I'd tell him that."

Brown said he believes that time will eventually heal the wounds that still seem to fester among certain Kansas fans. The process, albeit slowly, may already be under way. The Kansas City Star on Tuesday conducted an online poll asking readers to vote on how they would respond if they saw Williams on the famous Riverwalk in San Antonio, the site of this year's Final Four.

Twelve percent of readers said they'd push Williams into the water. Sixty-eight percent said they'd shake his hand and thank him for his time at Kansas.

"Print that out for me, would you?" Holladay said. "I want to make sure I show that to him. It will make him feel good."

Holladay hopes similar situations just simple, inconspicuous moments continue to present themselves in San Antonio this weekend. But he also realizes chances are good that Williams may be booed during the Tar Heels' public shootaround on Friday or during Saturday's pregame introductions.

Williams isn't excited about either event.

"There are two things I'm not looking forward to," he said. "I've got to answer questions about me and Kansas all weekend. And I've got to be able to stand up and listen if someone wants to yell something at me."

Williams is asked how he'll react, if he'll grit his teeth and shrug it off.

"I don't know," he said. "Probably. We'll have to see."


Will he return?

He knows the timing isn't right, and that it may not be for the next few years. Still, Anderson Kansas' biggest donor said he's "made it known" that sooner rather than later, the Jayhawks need to honor Roy Williams during halftime of a game at Allen Fieldhouse.

The mention of such a gesture seemed to cause a basketball-sized lump to swell in Williams' throat Tuesday.

Asked if he hoped it would happen one day, Williams said: "I do almost to the extent where I'd hope that it wouldn't be that big of a deal. It'd be nothing more than a coach coming back to watch one of his two favorite teams play."

In the meantime, Williams has plenty of other things to keep him busy. There's a team to coach, a game to play and, ugh, more questions to answer.

"Kansas wants so desperately to beat North Carolina so it can proceed toward a national championship," Buxton said. "But there's this other level of intensity, where it wants so badly to beat Roy, to show him he made a mistake or 'We're just as well off without you.'

"There's a lot of that undertone to the conversations that are going on in Lawrence. I'm sure he'll be glad once this one's behind him."

Especially if the Tar Heels win. That would put North Carolina one step closer to its second national championship in the last four seasons.

Then again, Williams also realizes that Kansas is an elite team, too, and that the possibility exists that his squad could lose.

If that happens Williams isn't sure what he'll do. Buxton said Williams told him he'd like to remain in San Antonio to cheer on Kansas against either UCLA or Memphis. But he's not sure he'd be welcomed in the Jayhawks' section of the stands.

It's a decision Williams wills make when or rather, if the situation presents itself. Right now only one thing is certain.

"I talked to Pops Sunday night," Scott Williams said. "Some people may not believe this, but he literally said, 'Worst-case scenario, I know I'll have someone to pull for Monday night.'"

BWillie
04-02-2008, 09:29 PM
Anybody have a link to video of that "I'm Stayin" speech in 2000? I would love to watch it to see what exactly he said. Free rep to all of those that apply.

stlchiefs
04-02-2008, 09:43 PM
Anybody have a link to video of that "I'm Stayin" speech in 2000? I would love to watch it to see what exactly he said. Free rep to all of those that apply.

Haven't found it yet, but here's when I knew he wasn't staying:

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stlchiefs
04-02-2008, 09:45 PM
Anybody have a link to video of that "I'm Stayin" speech in 2000? I would love to watch it to see what exactly he said. Free rep to all of those that apply.

Here it is. All it has though is "I'm staying".

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KCChiefsMan
04-02-2008, 09:45 PM
Roy was on espn today, one of those shows. PTI or something, he said he was surprised that us KU fans are still bitter after 5 years, but then he mentioned that we are extremely passoinate about our basketball.

chagrin
04-02-2008, 09:46 PM
Williams at Kansas
Year Rec. NCAA tourney result
'88-89 19-12 ---
'89-90 30-5 2nd round
'90-91 27-8 Nat'l runnerup
'91-92 27-5 2nd round
'92-93 29-7 Final Four
'93-94 27-8 Sweet 16
'94-95 25-6 Sweet 16
'95-96 29-5 Elite Eight
'96-97 34-2 Sweet 16
'97-98 35-4 2nd round
'98-99 23-10 2nd round
'99-00 24-10 2nd round
'00-01 26-7 Sweet 16
'01-02 33-4 Final Four
'02-03 30-8 Nat'l runnerup
Total 418-101 (.805)




I am an outsider, I understand you guys being bitter about the way he left; frankly it was pretty lame with the "I'm stayin" routine but damn, he did have an excellent career there as coach, without the titles, but still, most colleges would kill to have such a record in their Basketball program, even if they bowed out early too many times.

Eh, for what it's worth, whatever

stlchiefs
04-02-2008, 09:58 PM
Here's an interview where Roy lays out his decision making process.

http://espn.go.com/ncb/s/2000/1011/811976.html

Williams' home remains in Lawrence

By Andy Katz
ESPN.com

DALLAS -- Two months before students marched in front of the house of the Indiana president to protest Bob Knight's firing, Kansas fans packed a football stadium to anxiously hear Roy Williams utter two words:

"I'm staying."

Williams' decision to turn down Dean Smith's offer to come home and replace Bill Guthridge at North Carolina was more shocking to college basketball than Knight's firing at Indiana in the offseason.

Fans can expect Roy Williams' passion to remain on the Kansas bench for years to come.

Knight's removal was probably inevitable based on the zero-tolerance policy placed on him last May. But Williams' ultimate defection from Kansas to North Carolina had been in the making since he emerged from under the protective wing of his mentor and left Smith's Carolina staff to take over Kansas 12 years ago.

While Knight's absence from the official start of practice on Saturday will seem odd, Williams' presence at Kansas' Midnight Madness on Friday, while Matt Doherty hosts North Carolina's "Mattness," is downright shocking.

Williams to Carolina had been a lock for years. There had even been pages of a book dedicated to the subject.

"I might have lost my house on that one," Oklahoma coach Kelvin Sampson said as the Big 12 coaches gathered Tuesday in Dallas before the start of practice.

"I'm from North Carolina and there has never been a more natural fit than Roy Williams at the University of North Carolina," Sampson continued. "He has great ties to the university. It just made sense. Most in the coaching community assumed he would go. It says a lot that he didn't."

Most importantly, it says that Williams remained loyal to Kansas, to his present players, and, ultimately, to his own legacy in coaching.

Looking relaxed, tanned and at ease with his place in his life, Williams is no longer haunted by the questions of when will he leave Kansas for Carolina.

It's over. He's not going anymore. So, don't ask, or at least, don't bother asking after the Jayhawks' season starts Nov. 9 against UCLA in the Coaches vs. Cancer tournament in New York.

"We haven't lost a recruit because of the question, but I have had to answer it," said Williams, who turned 50 in August. "Not having to answer it will be nice. What will be better will be doing the interviews and not talking about what happened this past summer. I'm ready to move on and people are ready to move on."

Williams would have moved on to Carolina had Smith and UNC athletics director Dick Baddour asked for a decision immediately after Guthridge told them he would retire. But they didn't. They gave Williams a week to think about it, and during that time, Williams did what he was taught: He decided to be loyal.

"There's no question that at one point I was leaning strongly toward going," Williams said. "When it first happened, if someone had held a gun to my head, I would have gone. It's a place I dreamed of playing at when I was a kid and dreamed of coaching at.

"But during those six days, the indecision brought up so many positives for staying at Kansas. I couldn't come to grips with leaving. It's not like I had been there two or three years. There were things I became attached to."

Williams' dream was, and remains, a national championship. He has coached Kansas in two Final Fours (1991 and '93). But somewhere during his decision process he realized that coaching at North Carolina wouldn't necessarily answer his dream. And he could still have it both ways if he stayed in charge of a Kansas program capable of winning a national title.

Dreams change. Goals are adjusted. Williams heard that from NBA all-star David Robinson during the summer when the two had a brief exchange. Williams' legacy at Kansas is under his control. Leaving after a dozen years to go back to Carolina would have meant he was continuing Smith's legacy.

"That was part of the thought process," Williams said. "After 12 years my fingerprints are on (Kansas). Coach Smith did convince me that it would have been my program. But I did what he taught me to do and that's to be loyal. I tried to say that and I meant it.

"I tried to break it down as simple as I could. It was driving me crazy. But I tried to break it down; one reason for staying, and one for leaving. It boiled down to chasing my dream and doing what I thought was right with my players. I felt like I would have been disloyal to them. It sounds corny but that's the way Roy Williams is."

“ I've said the grass is greener where I'm standing. There is a lot of movement in coaching, but that doesn't mean it's best for everybody. What was best for Roy Williams was to stay put. ”
— Roy Williams,
Kansas head coach

But Roy Williams didn't hide what his intentions were before he had to make the decision. Oklahoma State coach Eddie Sutton said Williams told him the only place he would leave Kansas for was Carolina. But, when he stayed, Sutton said it was a statement to Kansas and to the Big 12.

"The statue is probably being built while he's still coaching at Kansas," Iowa State coach Larry Eustachy said. "They really like him there and you want to be where you're liked."

That's why Sampson stayed at Oklahoma, too. Lost amid Williams' higher-profile decision was Sampson pulling out of the Illinois search in early June.

"The best time to review what's important is when you have a chance to take another job," said Sampson, sounding the same themes as Williams. "There's a loyalty factor and you realize that you have a great job. You realize how lucky you are to have the job you have."

And now the Big 12 is reaping the benefits.

"It says a lot about our league, Kansas and Oklahoma," Williams said. "People have a hard time realizing that because they don't know what we have. I've said the grass is greener where I'm standing. There is a lot of movement in coaching but that doesn't mean it's best for everybody. What was best for Roy Williams was to stay put."

Simply Red
04-02-2008, 11:57 PM
Anybody have a link to video of that "I'm Stayin" speech in 2000? I would love to watch it to see what exactly he said. Free rep to all of those that apply.

Funny how the media forces you to answer while in front of a camera. You all really are mad at him. Kind of silly. Business decision, yet everybody takes it so personal. Roy is a good dude really.

R8RFAN
04-03-2008, 04:58 AM
If you are mad at him now, imagine how you will feel this weekend when he kicks your asses

Braincase
04-03-2008, 05:54 AM
If you are mad at him now, imagine how you will feel this weekend when he kicks your asses

If KU wins, I expect a full retraction, and another blowjob.

Reerun_KC
04-03-2008, 07:05 AM
If you are mad at him now, imagine how you will feel this weekend when he kicks your asses
Where in the hell are all these n00b raider fans coming from...

We have been invested with trash...

DJay23
04-03-2008, 07:43 AM
Where in the hell are all these n00b raider fans coming from...

We have been invested with trash...

Actually not surprising at all that UNC fans are also Raider fans. They are probably typing that out with a Yankees hat on too.

DJay23
04-03-2008, 07:51 AM
Aawww, poor little Roy is all upset and shook up.

What a freaking drama queen. If he's being honest (a lot of what he's saying I'm not sure I buy. I think he wants to be the sympathetic character) and all of these questions are bothering him, here's a solution: quit granting interviews. I've seen articles where at least 3 different interviews on this subject are referenced.

Any advantage we can gain over UNC is good in my book, and it looks possible that Roy's weepy vag will be to our advantage for once.

kstater
04-03-2008, 07:55 AM
Aawww, poor little Roy is all upset and shook up.

What a freaking drama queen. If he's being honest (a lot of what he's saying I'm not sure I buy. I think he wants to be the sympathetic character) and all of these questions are bothering him, here's a solution: quit granting interviews. I've seen articles where at least 3 different interviews on this subject are referenced.

Any advantage we can gain over UNC is good in my book, and it looks possible that Roy's weepy vag will be to our advantage for once.

If he doesn't grant interviews, then the fans paint him as a Prima Donna whose to good to answer to the media.

DJay23
04-03-2008, 08:09 AM
If he doesn't grant interviews, then the fans paint him as a Prima Donna whose to good to answer to the media.

There are plenty of press conferences during Final Four week when he can talk to the media. He's allowing people into his office so he can cry his eyes out about how tough this is on him. It's all about him. The media and fans are making it about him, and I think that's just the way he likes it. It was a little tongue in cheek for me to suggest he not grant interviews, because we all know full well he is eating this attention up. Poor ol Roy, he's suffrin so bad consarnit! Why can't you monkeys all just leave him alone, you know he didn't mean nuthing by it!

He's already painted himself as a prima donna, a long time ago, just the attention whoring kind.

ROYC75
04-03-2008, 08:12 AM
Winning the game Saturday will do a lot of healing for the Jayhawk fans that are still upset, losing the game will fuel their fire even more. Time to get over it my Jayhawk brethren, time to let it go, a long time ago.

Let's just win the game and let ole Roy ( huck ) be the one feeling down and out for awhile. ( It will help this Roy go along way in recovering from surgery too ):D :KU:

Reerun_KC
04-03-2008, 08:15 AM
Winning the game Saturday will do a lot of healing for the Jayhawk fans that are still upset, losing the game will fuel their fire even more. Time to get over it my Jayhawk brethren, time to let it go, a long time ago.

Let's just win the game and let ole Roy ( huck ) be the one feeling down and out for awhile. ( It will help this Roy go along way in recovering from surgery too ):D :KU:
Roy Who?

Dude Self is the man, UNC can have Roy....

Besides Roy is yet to win a NC with "his" own players...

kstater
04-03-2008, 08:19 AM
Roy Who?

Dude Self is the man, UNC can have Roy....

Besides Roy is yet to win a NC with "his" own players...

Uhh, last time I checked, neither has Self. :Poke:

Monty
04-03-2008, 08:49 AM
Uhh, last time I checked, neither has Self. :Poke:

Uhh, until this weekend. ;)

Reerun_KC
04-03-2008, 09:11 AM
Uhh, last time I checked, neither has Self. :Poke:

:clap:

I figured someone would say something....

ArrowheadHawk
04-03-2008, 09:20 AM
Uhh, last time I checked, neither has Self. :Poke:Self has only been here for 5 years lets revisit this in 10 years and see if he still hasn't won the championship. I think he will.

Reerun_KC
04-03-2008, 09:23 AM
Self has only been here for 5 years lets revisit this in 10 years and see if he still hasn't won the championship. I think he will.
I am guessing Frank will have several at KSU in that time period. Therefore Coach Self will be irrelevant.
:LOL:

teedubya
04-03-2008, 09:55 AM
Roy is obviously distracted and rattled... that in itself is a good thing for Kansas.

Mr. Laz
04-03-2008, 10:02 AM
**** deputy dawg .
**** Dean "benedict arnold" Smith


they both chose UNC over Kansas, they deserve any and all pain the get plus some.



i hope they come down with the worse case of hemorrhoids the universe has ever seen.

Simply Red
04-03-2008, 10:26 AM
**** deputy dawg .
**** Dean "benedict arnold" Smith


they both chose UNC over Kansas, they deserve any and all pain the get plus some.



i hope they come down with the worse case of hemorrhoids the universe has ever seen.

No more Red Bulls for you.

Simply Red
04-03-2008, 10:27 AM
:D

Mr. Laz
04-03-2008, 10:29 AM
:D
:)

leviw
04-03-2008, 11:56 AM
Still the best article ever written on this situation -- of course it's by Posnanski...2003, shortly after he took the job...


Inside Roy's big decision
Williams tells why he made Heels happy, Jayhawks sad
By JOE POSNANSKI
Kansas City Star

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. Welcome to Roy Williams' dream job. He can't sleep. He spent last week, after taking Kansas to the national championship game, waking up in the middle of the night and throwing up.

His former players, men he loves like his children, hammer away at him. A close friend tells Roy he ran off with a basketball mistress. On the streets of Lawrence, where barely two weeks ago people raised their glasses to him, they now sell "Benedict Williams" T-shirts.

"Fifteen years," Roy says fiercely. "I gave Kansas my blood, my sweat, my heart for 15 years. I gave ... "

His voice chokes off. Roy has always been famously emotional. Now, though, the tears are always just a word away. Say "Loyalty." Say "Langford." Say "Linguine." Doesn't matter. Say anything at all, and he connects it to a moment at Kansas and a past that's now gone.

Three days ago, Roy Williams left Kansas after 15 mostly wonderful years to become the basketball coach at North Carolina. His dream job.

Wednesday morning, he talked at length about everything.

"I didn't do anything immoral," he says. "I didn't do anything sinful. I just took another job. It's just another job."

He's right, of course. Funny thing is, even Roy Williams doesn't believe it.


Q: The story goes that on Friday, you saw a picture of recruit Omar Wilkes and decided to call North Carolina to pull out. True?

RW: That's right. I was at my desk. It was 5:55 a.m. I looked right at the clock. And I picked up the phone to call. I actually picked up the phone.

Q: Why didn't you call?

RW: I don't know.

Roy Williams' friends call him "The Committee." That's because he makes all the decisions. All of them. He decides when to meet for golf, where to eat, how much to bet. He decides where to vacation and who will come along and where everybody will stay and who will drive.

"Check with The Committee," friends will say whenever an issue comes up.

This is what Roy Williams was thinking about on that plane. He couldn't make a decision. And he was furious with himself. He was flying back from California, from the Wooden Award ceremony, and as he tells it, he still had not decided whether to take the North Carolina job.

His own son, Scott, had told him, "Dad, forget everything else. Do what you want to do."

"That's the problem, Scott," Roy said. "I don't know what I want to do."

Even as he retells that little exchange, Roy Williams is ticked at himself.

Why was this so hard? He had made literally millions of decisions in 15 years. He had turned down big jobs one offered him nine times his Kansas salary and he had never thought twice.

But this one had him baffled. Every time he thought about a reason to stay (his players), a reason to go would pop up (loyalty to Dean Smith). When he came up with a decisive reason to go ("That's it, my roots are in North Carolina"), something would scream at him to stay ("The people in Kansas love ya, Roy").

Roy finally had enough of his own wavering. He resolved that when the plane landed, he would have his decision, right or wrong. He thought about all the things he had thought about before, all the same things he thought about three years before when North Carolina came a-callin' the first time.

And then, the strangest question occurred to him.

How could he turn down North Carolina again after all this delaying? Three years earlier, he had taken a week felt like 10 years and finally chose to stay at Kansas. How could he take all those North Carolina people he loved through another week of dawdling and dithering and then say "No" at the end?

Roy Williams felt trapped. By himself.

"If I had known how much this was going to eat away at me," Williams says, "I would have told Coach Smith 'No' right away, or told him 'Yes' right away. That's what I should have done. I shouldn't have let it come down like it did."

He shakes his head. There's this cartoon from years ago that shows a man standing in front of two roads. He cannot decide which road to take. He looks at one, then the other, then back, then forth, on and on, until, finally, he dies. The hearse takes him down the road on the left.

"I couldn't think of any way I could say 'No' after all I had put those people through," Williams says.

How about that? Williams took so long to make a choice that, in the end, he felt like he did not even have a choice to make.

Q: You have heard what former Kansas athletic director Al Bohl said about you. He called you vindictive and hateful. What did you think when you heard?

RW: That I never want to be like that man.

Things were not perfect at Kansas. Williams has been reluctant to talk much about that because he does not like to fight in the mud. But he has taken enough abuse the last few days that he feels he has to defend himself.

"Things that last couple of years were hard," he says. Two years ago, Kansas forced out athletic director Bob Frederick, who hired Williams. The school, after a fairly unusual nationwide search, settled on Bohl, who had made a reputation for hiring football coaches and inviting choirs to sing the national anthem so their family members could boost attendance.

"That man never did one thing for me in two years," Williams says.

Williams points out that Kansas basketball has a small budget compared with those at the nation's other top basketball schools. He says he had been working on a study to present to Chancellor Robert Hemenway to show that the basketball program needed improvements. Bohl, he says, was of no help.

"I don't want to go into details because it will sound like I'm blaming the chancellor, and I'm not," Williams says. "The chancellor was very good to me. Let's just say it was a difficult two years. I couldn't wait to get on the court and away from the madness. The basketball court was my salvation."


When you ask Williams if he would have stayed had Kansas never forced out Frederick, or replaced him with a competent athletic director, he does not want to answer. He tries to slip around for a while. He says again that he would not blame Hemenway. Finally, though, he does answer.

"Yes," he says. "I probably would have stayed."

Q: Your players have been critical. You have heard Wayne Simien say he gave his right arm for you. You have heard Keith Langford say he did not come to Kansas for this. There were others. How do you respond?

RW: Players are like your children. They do things you disapprove of sometimes. They say hurtful things sometimes. But you don't stop loving them.

The people who bet that Roy Williams would stay at Kansas bet on one simple premise: that Williams could not say goodbye to his players. That was the decisive factor three years ago, and there seemed little reason to believe it would be different this time.

This time, though, he said goodbye. And this is something Williams has a hard time justifying. As coaches will, he promised those players he would be with them until the end. Leaving those players goes against everything the man believes. Everything. Williams himself sounds like an angry radio caller when he talks about it.

"I felt like a traitor when I called those recruits I would never get to coach," he says. "A dadgum traitor."

Trouble is, few know what Williams went through last time. Yes, he stayed with his players, and they were happy. Everybody in Kansas was happy. But Williams' family was not. His son lives in North Carolina. His wife is from North Carolina. He has a sister and father in North Carolina, and they are going through serious health issues, and Kansas is far away. Some of the people Williams admires most, beginning with Dean Smith, were not happy.

There would be pain no matter which way Williams decided to go. That was why Roy wavered he never could decide which side he was willing to hurt.

This time, it was his Kansas players. He understands their comments.

"They're kids," he says. "And they're hurt. I understand."

See, a college basketball coach often does things his players don't understand. You hope they will get it when they grow a little older.

"Wayne said he gave his right arm for me," Williams says. "I don't think that's right. I think he gave his right arm for his teammates. I think he gave his right arm for himself and his team. I love Wayne Simien. And I hope as time goes on, he will appreciate that I did everything I could for him.

And I always will do everything I can for him."

Williams cries again.

"I hope," he says, "all my players realize that someday."

Q: When Matt Doherty was forced out as North Carolina coach, you were unusually quiet. You did not say anything about him. Why?

A: I didn't want to say anything to distract my team. I knew if I answered one question about North Carolina, I would get a hundred others.

Q: OK. But Matt was your friend. He was your assistant coach. You knew him for more than 20 years. Certainly, you could have backed up your friend.

A: You know, it happened on Tuesday. And I couldn't even call Matt on Tuesday night. I didn't even know what to say to him, much less anybody else.

One thing is undeniable: Roy Williams never thought the North Carolina job would open up for him again. When he turned it down three years ago, the Tar Heels hired Doherty, Williams' old assistant coach, who was promptly named national coach of the year. Williams, like everyone else, thought Doherty would have that job for two decades. But things happened. Even now, it's fuzzy what all those things were. All anyone knows for sure is that a lot of North Carolina players transferred or threatened to transfer. Murky rumors have been told and repeated. Just before he was forced to resign, Doherty called Williams to say things would work out.

"Sorry for the distractions," Doherty said then. "But I think things are under control now."

Two days later, Matt Doherty was forced out.

Williams knows more than just about anyone. But he's too close to everybody involved to say much.

Here's what he says about Doherty: "I love Matt. I would jump in front of a bus for him. I rooted harder for him than his own parents, I promise you."

Then, when asked what happened to Matt, he says: "That 24 inches an assistant coach moves along the bench when he becomes a head coach sometimes changes people."

This is all Williams will say on this subject. He has heard rumors and speculation about his role in Doherty's demise, and they bother him, but he won't dignify them with an answer except to say, "They're a bunch of lies."

Doherty has publicly said Williams is the right man for the job, and the two still talk often, and that's all he's going to say about that.

He will say that when the North Carolina job opened up again, he could not help thinking it felt a little like fate.

"It's a second chance," his wife, Wanda, told him. "Who would have thought you would have had a second chance at North Carolina?"

"A friend told me it was in the stars," Roy says. "He said, 'You should have taken it the first time, but you didn't, and now you have to take it. It's destiny.' "

Q: Roy, what seems to have hurt people back in the Midwest is that you decided North Carolina was more your home than Kansas. You spent the last 15 years in Kansas. Your kids really grew up in Kansas. Your whole life as a head coach was in Kansas. You said you would retire at Kansas. Why is Kansas not home?

RW: I can't change who I am.

Here's what bothers Roy Williams more than anything: People already forget the good times. Forget them? They burn the good times. Roy Williams recites the resume like the Pledge of Allegiance: Four hundred wins. Nine conference championships. Four Final Fours. Highest graduation rate of any of the Final Four teams the last two years.

"His senior year, my son played on a state championship basketball team," Williams says. "He played 28 games or something. You know how many I saw? Nine. That's it. Nine. I was too busy coaching the rest of the time. Too busy for my own son. I gave my life to Kansas."

And now, many call him a deserter.

"I didn't sign a lifetime contract," he says bitterly.

Of course, it's not that simple, and Williams knows it. His relationship with Kansas was always bigger than basketball coach and basketball team. Who is loved as much? Mike Krzyzewski at Duke? Maybe, but Duke is also just 13 miles away from the state's most beloved school K has a small kingdom. Williams had a whole state.

And he left.

Fans ask: What, it wasn't enough?

Williams asks: "How could people forget? For 15 years, we cried and jumped and hugged and danced. We did everything except win the national championship."

He pauses with a sad look on his face.

"Could that be it?" he asks. "Would people have been less cruel if we had won a national championship?"

It's a hard question to answer. No one can deny that every Roy Williams season, no matter how breathtaking, no matter how exciting, no matter how uplifting, ended in heartbreak. Even the last season ended that way, with a three-pointer at the buzzer that sailed right of the basket.

And one week later, Roy Williams himself was gone.

"Someday," Williams says, "I hope people remember what we did. I hope that with all my heart."

Q: Do you ever regret this decision?

RW: Two answers. One is no. I don't regret it. But I will say that a couple of times, in the middle of the night, I'll think, "Did I really leave Kansas?"

Welcome to Roy Williams' dream job. The sun is out. The sky is Carolina blue. Down the street, at one of the bars, they sell "We Got Roy" domestic beers for $1.50. Banners hang everywhere saying, "Welcome home, Roy." They sell T-shirts here, too, only these talk about how much certain things cost and on the back they say: "Roy Williams coming home? Priceless."

"See that?" Williams says as he points at a brick building. "That's James Dormitory. That's where I lived my freshman and sophomore years here."

The state is giddy with joy. The Charlotte Observer had an editorial: Williams' homecoming restores calm to UNC family. Sports talk radio fills with Final Four talk. Williams, for the first time as a coach, has a budget that compares with those of the other top programs in America.

What does it mean? Roy Williams tells a story. Some years ago, before he took the Kansas job, he was offered the job at James Madison. He accepted.

Then, after two sleepless nights, he called the athletic director back and pulled out. "I can't leave," he said. "I just can't."

When he told Dean Smith all about it, Smith asked how he felt. "Relieved," Williams said.

"Good," Smith said. "That means you made the right decision."

Three years ago, Roy Williams turned down North Carolina. And afterward, despite hurting a lot of people he loves, he felt relieved. He knew he had done the right thing.

Q: So, now, do you feel relieved?

RW: No.

POND_OF_RED
04-03-2008, 12:47 PM
Self has only been here for 5 years lets revisit this in 10 years and see if he still hasn't won the championship. I think he will.

I don't think he will get the same talent at OSU. We'll see though...

ArrowheadHawk
04-03-2008, 12:57 PM
I don't think he will get the same talent at OSU. We'll see though...
:banghead: I will believe it when and only when I see it.

Skip Towne
04-03-2008, 04:13 PM
:banghead: I will believe it when and only when I see it.

I was just on the OSU board and there is a rumor about Larry Brown being the new coach. Brown said he was bored and wanted to coach again.

R8RFAN
04-05-2008, 10:47 AM
I hope you all have the ribs on the smoker and the beer in the fridge.....

Here's a tip for you....

Eat the ribs about 6pm while UCLA and Memphis are playing because after about 5 mins of the 2nd game you won't have much of an appetite

enjoy your last few hours eating and drinking good because tomorrow morning when you lift your greasy hair off the pillow and look out the door of your trailer, you will have that glazed look in your eyes (similar to the one you give your cousin) but it will be a sad glare.

Don't feel bad though, you won't have to make excuses on why you lost except you were beat by the better coached team.

GO HEELS!

DJay23
04-05-2008, 10:57 AM
I hope you all have the ribs on the smoker and the beer in the fridge.....

Here's a tip for you....

Eat the ribs about 6pm while UCLA and Memphis are playing because after about 5 mins of the 2nd game you won't have much of an appetite

enjoy your last few hours eating and drinking good because tomorrow morning when you lift your greasy hair off the pillow and look out the door of your trailer, you will have that glazed look in your eyes (similar to the one you give your cousin) but it will be a sad glare.

Don't feel bad though, you won't have to make excuses on why you lost except you were beat by the better coached team.

GO HEELS!


Just checking something:

Do you know what a Tar Heel is?

R8RFAN
04-05-2008, 11:08 AM
Just checking something:

Do you know what a Tar Heel is?

Considering I live and was born here, I would think so

milkman
04-05-2008, 11:09 AM
Just checking something:

Do you know what a Tar Heel is?

I didn't know what a tar heel is, but if what I've read is correct, then that is just about the dumbest name one could have, next to Hokie.

DJay23
04-05-2008, 11:11 AM
Considering I live and was born here, I would think so

Well?

R8RFAN
04-05-2008, 11:19 AM
Well?

We believe that it had to do with pine tar

its probably not real important to you guys just like the rock chalk nonsense is to me but if you need a history lesson, google is your friend

ahh forget it I will look it up for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_Heel

R8RFAN
04-05-2008, 11:20 AM
I didn't know what a tar heel is, but if what I've read is correct, then that is just about the dumbest name one could have, next to Hokie.

Whatever, it will even be dumber to you about 11 pm est tonite

milkman
04-05-2008, 11:24 AM
Whatever, it will even be dumber to you about 11 pm est tonite

Uh......I'm not a KU fan.

DJay23
04-05-2008, 11:31 AM
We believe that it had to do with pine tar

its probably not real important to you guys just like the rock chalk nonsense is to me but if you need a history lesson, google is your friend

ahh forget it I will look it up for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_Heel

Just checking. Based on your past posts I didn't take you someone with a brain.

R8RFAN
04-05-2008, 11:36 AM
Just checking. Based on your past posts I didn't take you someone with a brain.

I felt the same as well about you, I guess we have more in common than we thought huh?

R8RFAN
04-05-2008, 11:51 AM
Uh......I'm not a KU fan.

sorry about sticking that tag on you, My apologies friend