Summary of Herm Edwards Drafts, 2001-2007

[Direckshun]

You're welcome:

1st round:
WR Santana Moss (2001)
DE Bryan Thomas (2002)
DT Dewayne Robertson (2003)
LB Jonathan Vilma (2004)
DE Tamba Hali (2006)
WR Dwayne Bowe (2007)

2nd round:
RB LaMont Jordan (2001)
S Jon McGraw (2002)
LB Victor Hobson (2003)
K Mike Nugent (2005)
CB Justin Miller (2005)
S Bernard Pollard (2006)
DT Turk McBride (2007)

3rd round:
OT Kareem McKenzie (2001)
TE Chris Baker (2002)
FB B.J. Askew (2003)
CB Derrick Straight (2004)
DT Sione Pouha (2005)
QB Brodie Croyle (2006)
DT Tank Tyler (2007)

4th round:
CB Jamie Henderson (2001)
DT Alan Harper (2002)
WR Jerricho Cotchery (2004)
S Kerry Rhodes (2005)

5th round:
OG Jonathan Goodwin (2002)
S Derek Pagel (2003)
S Erik Coleman (2004)
S Andre Maddox (2005)
CB Marcus Maxey (2006)
RB Kolby Smith (2007)
K Justin Medlock (2007)

6th round:
QB Brooks Bollinger (2003)
OT Marco Cavka (2004)
RB Cedric Houston (2005)
TE Joel Dreessen (2005)
OG Tre Stallings (2006)
WR Jeff Webb (2006)
OG/OT Herb Taylor (2007)

7th round:
DT James Reed (2001)
OG Tupe Pako (2001)
OG Dave Yovanovits (2003)
LB Darrell McClover (2004)
DE Trevor Johnson (2004)
RB Derrick Ward (2004)
S Rashad Washington (2004)
WR Harry Williams (2005)
S Jarrad Page (2006)
TE Michael Allan (2007)

Bolded players are Pro Bowlers.

Herm Edwards, ladies and gentlemen. Building this team through the Draft.

*headdesk*

[Direckshun]

I don't ****ing understand this guy.

Employs the Cover 2 in New York. Drafts Vilma his-****ing-self, and he becomes a stud MLB for the Cover 2 scheme, which last time I checked there's maybe 3 in the entire NFL. A Pro Bowler.

Vilma, a young free agent this offseason who is now Pro Bowl talent at the position, hits the market and Herm sits on his goddamn thumb.

I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS STUPID STUPID TEAM.

[Hammock Parties]

Settle down, Beavis.

Vilma is damaged goods. There's a good reason Herm didn't go after him.

[ChiefsCountry]

Here is the starting lineup of Herm's drafted players

QB Brodie Croyle
RB LaMont Jordan
WR Santana Moss
WR Dwayne Bowe
WR Jerricho Cottrichy
TE Chris Baker
T Kareem McKenize
T Herb Taylor
G Tupe Pako
G Dave Yovanovits
C Jonathan Goodwin

DE Tamba Hali
DE Bryan Thomas
DT Dewayne Robertson
DT James Reed
LB Jonathan Vilma
LB Victor Hopson
LB Darrell McClover
CB Justin Miller
CB Jamie Henderson
S Kerry Rhodes
S Jarrad Page

[Direckshun]

I take this as an indication of two things, primarily:

The Chiefs will probably not take Jake Long, and they might not even take a tackle in the second -- Herm's never taken OL that soon.

Also, it's still a very real possibility that Herm will draft a kicker -- he pulls the trigger when he likes what he sees and he doesn't let past failures deter him.

[Hammock Parties]

I take this as an indication of two things, primarily:

The Chiefs will probably not take Jake Long, and they might not even take a tackle in the second -- Herm's never taken OL that soon.

Herm's never had an OL this bad.


Also, it's still a very real possibility that Herm will draft a kicker -- he pulls the trigger when he likes what he sees and he doesn't let past failures deter him.

Medlock was Carl's failure, not Herm's.

[keg in kc]

If "pro bowl" is the only marker for success for any draft pick, then I guess I can see the point of this thread, but there's an awful lot of contributing players on that list.

[Direckshun]

If "pro bowl" is the only marker for success for any draft pick, then I guess I can see the point of this thread, but there's an awful lot of contributing players on that list.
I suppose an argument could be made that you can't win a Super Bowl without more than a few studs.

[keg in kc]

I suppose an argument could be made that you can't win a Super Bowl without more than a few studs.The Patriots of the last few years may speak otherwise on that argument. As do the '03 Chiefs, who had a ton of pro-bowlers yet still exited stage left immediately after their first round bye.

Just my opinion, but I think in this era of football where the cap levels the playing field so much, winning is less about individual talent position-by-position than it is about team concept and attitude. That's the change Herm will have to make, by turning the Chiefs from the soft, divided unit Vermeil shaped into something harder and unified, although it does still take talent to win. And I think the Chiefs do have talent, there are a number of young players on the roster with potential pro bowl talent, it just happens that the team's remaining holes are at some of the most key positions on the roster (OL...).

Anyway, I digress. Pro bowlers are nice, obviously, but a player can still be a 'hit' in the draft without being in Hawaii every year. Especially with the Chiefs draft record, we would probably be as well-served by a handful of consistent career starters as we would with a flashy star player or two. Personally, I'd like to find both. We have missed way too many times for too many years.

[Chiefnj2]

Herm inherited a team that had its OL built by Parcells. Fabini (LT) and Mawae (C) were the anchors for all of the years Herm was with the club. Through the years Herm brought in Kareem McKenzie in the draft at RT (3rd), FA left guard Kendall ( I believe the LG position changed a lot during his tenure with Szott playing some).

Herm didn't really have to completely rebuild an OL and he had a lot of changes at the positions he addressed.

[Deberg_1990]

Who was Bryan Thomas???

[Deberg_1990]

The Patriots of the last few years may speak otherwise on that argument. .

True, but they had a STUD at the MOST important position of all: QB

[Chiefnj2]

Who was Bryan Thomas???

He was Eddie Freeman's collegiate linemate. I'm serious. That team had one of the best DL's in college football, but both guys went pro and pretty much busted.

[Mr. Laz]

He was Eddie Freeman's collegiate linemate. I'm serious. That team had one of the best DL's in college football, but both guys went pro and pretty much busted.
which as always leaned me towards that idea that it's as much about the coaching etc they receive once they get into the NFL as it is the overall talent level.

if players are coached well and drafted for a system that fits them it increase the success rate dramatically imo.

also the players character/work ethic .. they can get along on talent in college but need hard work to make it in the NFL.

[el borracho]

http://deseretnews.com/photos/c022304dog.jpg

[Zouk]

He was Eddie Freeman's collegiate linemate. I'm serious. That team had one of the best DL's in college football, but both guys went pro and pretty much busted.

Manginius liked Bryan Thomas enough to give him a contract that pays him $25 million over 5 years.

[Chiefnj2]

Manginius liked Bryan Thomas enough to give him a contract that pays him $25 million over 5 years.

His production quadrupled in Maginius' first year. It fell off again last year.

[Alphaman]

I don't ****ing understand this guy.

Employs the Cover 2 in New York. Drafts Vilma his-****ing-self, and he becomes a stud MLB for the Cover 2 scheme, which last time I checked there's maybe 3 in the entire NFL. A Pro Bowler.

Vilma, a young free agent this offseason who is now Pro Bowl talent at the position, hits the market and Herm sits on his goddamn thumb.

I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS STUPID STUPID TEAM.

Vilma was NOT a free agent. He was traded to New Orleans for a 4th round pick. For a team that needs to rebuild an O-Line (3 draft picks), overhaul the CB corps (2 draft picks) and its WR corps (2 draft picks), trading away picks for position you just signed in free agency last year would be a very bad move.

[xbarretx]

eww he took a kicker in the 2nd :shrug:

[SBK]

How many of these picks from the Jets weren't Herm's? Around here we all know that the King wanted Medlock, so are there other picks that are given to Herm but weren't his?

[Zouk]

His production quadrupled in Maginius' first year. It fell off again last year.

You're definitely correct.

I look at this draft history and I think it's quite solid. I see solid starters/contributors acquired all through the draft in all rounds. This is true even though he was typically picking in the 20's in each round.

[Direckshun]

You're definitely correct.

I look at this draft history and I think it's quite solid. I see solid starters acquired all through the draft in all rounds. This is true even though he was typically picking in the 20's in each round.
Do a breakdown for me:

Pro Bowlers
Starters
Contributors
Busts

[Zouk]

Do a breakdown for me:



Stars (I think the Pro Bowl is bull)
WR Santana Moss (2001)
WR Dwayne Bowe (2007)
S Kerry Rhodes (2005)

Stars that got derailed by injury
DT Dewayne Robertson (2003)
LB Jonathan Vilma (2004)

Starters
DE Bryan Thomas (2002)
DE Tamba Hali (2006) - could become star
RB LaMont Jordan (2001)
LB Victor Hobson (2003)
K Mike Nugent (2005)
CB Justin Miller (2005)
S Bernard Pollard (2006)
DT Turk McBride (2007) - expected
OT Kareem McKenzie (2001)
TE Chris Baker (2002)
FB B.J. Askew (2003)
QB Brodie Croyle (2006) - could become star
DT Tank Tyler (2007) - expected
WR Jerricho Cotchery (2004) - could become star
S Erik Coleman (2004)
S Jarrad Page (2006) - could become star

Contributors
S Jon McGraw (2002)
DT Sione Pouha (2005)
CB Jamie Henderson (2001)
OG Jonathan Goodwin (2002)
RB Kolby Smith (2007)
WR Jeff Webb (2006)
QB Brooks Bollinger (2003)
OG/OT Herb Taylor (2007) - expected
DT James Reed (2001)
OG Dave Yovanovits (2003)
LB Darrell McClover (2004)
DE Trevor Johnson (2004)
RB Derrick Ward (2004)
S Rashad Washington (2004)
TE Michael Allan (2007) - predicted

Busts
CB Derrick Straight (2004)
DT Alan Harper (2002)
S Derek Pagel (2003)
S Andre Maddox (2005)
CB Marcus Maxey (2006)
K Justin Medlock (2007)
OT Marco Cavka (2004)
RB Cedric Houston (2005)
TE Joel Dreessen (2005)
OG Tre Stallings (2006)
OG Tupe Pako (2001)
WR Harry Williams (2005)

[BigChiefFan]

Starting for shitty teams doesn't make you solid, just better than the guy behind them on the depth chart.

[Zouk]

Starting for shitty teams doesn't make you solid, just better than the guy behind them on the depth chart.

How bout teams that win road playoff games?

[OnTheWarpath15]

How bout teams that win road playoff games?

Or blow out the Colts 41-0.

[DTLB58]

It dosen't matter if they have made a pro bowl or not. That is just a popularity contest ran by the NFL to increase fan interaction. Voting starts on NFL.com halfway through the season. What a JOKE!

[Halfcan]

Here is the starting lineup of Herm's drafted players

QB Brodie Croyle
RB LaMont Jordan
WR Santana Moss
WR Dwayne Bowe
WR Jerricho Cottrichy
TE Chris Baker
T Kareem McKenize
T Herb Taylor
G Tupe Pako
G Dave Yovanovits
C Jonathan Goodwin

DE Tamba Hali
DE Bryan Thomas
DT Dewayne Robertson
DT James Reed
LB Jonathan Vilma
LB Victor Hopson
LB Darrell McClover
CB Justin Miller
CB Jamie Henderson
S Kerry Rhodes
S Jarrad Page

ROFL

[Dave Lane]

Here is the starting lineup of Herm's drafted players

QB Brodie Croyle
RB LaMont Jordan
WR Santana Moss
WR Dwayne Bowe
WR Jerricho Cottrichy
TE Chris Baker
T Kareem McKenize
T Herb Taylor
G Tupe Pako
G Dave Yovanovits
C Jonathan Goodwin

DE Tamba Hali
DE Bryan Thomas
DT Dewayne Robertson
DT James Reed
LB Jonathan Vilma
LB Victor Hopson
LB Darrell McClover
CB Justin Miller
CB Jamie Henderson
S Kerry Rhodes
S Jarrad Page


Yikes that makes a Chiefs team look good. Yuck...

Dave

[Zouk]

Aside from the offensive line, that's a playoff team (especially if you replace James Reed with Tank or Turk). As far as the offensive line, it's not like there were first day picks that busted - that position just went unpicked. Obviously won't be the case this year (unless the Chiefs follow the direction of the Chiefs Planet mock). You could also count Brandon Moore starting RG for the Jets, who was converted from DT after the Jets signed him as an undrafted free agent in 2002. Another thing that jumps out is this will only be the 2nd year out of 8 in which he'll get to pick in the top 10 of each round.