Marty v. Herm. Who do you take? [Archive]

ClevelandBronco

04-15-2008, 03:29 AM

Hey, a new guy named "cutler7624" wants to know if the members here think that Marty or Norv is a better head coach. He's too new to start a thread (or he can't find the right button. Who knows?) He asked for help starting the thread, so I thought I'd do it.

I'm firmly in the Marty camp. Anyone else want to chime in?

His request:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4685152&postcount=13

Quesadilla Joe

04-15-2008, 05:01 AM

keg in kc

04-15-2008, 06:22 AM

Before last year I would've said Martyocre. Which isn't saying much, because Norv before 2007 hadn't shown anything as a head coach, and I call Schottenheimer Martyocre for a reason.

jidar

04-15-2008, 06:31 AM

Marty by a mile.

Old Dog

04-15-2008, 07:06 AM

Marty > Norv, and Norv > Herm

cmh6476

04-15-2008, 09:10 AM

i only watch ku basketball

StcChief

04-15-2008, 09:13 AM

and this is a multi-choice answer (aka Check box poll)?

Mr. Laz

04-15-2008, 09:21 AM

marty ...... he may not be a guy to win the super bowl but he was pretty darn good at maintaining a legit playoff team.

he also seems to have learn to stay away from the offense.

DaFace

04-15-2008, 09:29 AM

Most confusing poll...ever. Are we comparing Marty to Herm, or Marty to Norv? :spock:

DaFace

04-15-2008, 09:30 AM

Wheres the norv option? how many posts do you have to have to actually start a new thread anyways.

It's a complicated formula, but it's around 30 I believe.

stlchiefs

04-15-2008, 09:38 AM

how many posts do you have to have to actually start a new thread anyways.

The new default number for thread starting should always be one more post than what ClevelandBronoco has.

WTF is with this poll? Is it Herm v Norm or Herm v Marty and when did Marv get involved? :doh!:

Rausch

04-15-2008, 09:57 AM

Considering the sample size it's a little unfair to Herm. That said, I'd go Marty.

Frazod

04-15-2008, 09:59 AM

Marty. Big difference between unlucky and retarded.

Valiant

04-15-2008, 10:03 AM

Where is both??

Marty as coach and motivater(loved Raiders week) and Herm helping with the drafts..

Deberg_1990

04-15-2008, 10:43 AM

You take Marty if you are rebuilding a franchise.

Norv if the places are already in place for a playoff run.

kc rush

04-15-2008, 10:51 AM

Marty > Norv, and Norv > Herm

Sadly, I agree.

eazyb81

04-15-2008, 10:56 AM

Marty had so much more talent on his teams in KC, it's not really a fair comparison.

Otter

04-15-2008, 11:11 AM

I think it would be wisest to hire head coaches, offensive and defensive coordinator with philosophies that complimented one another so they can challenge the current problems instead of hiring coaches they like to play golf with on Saturdays and feel warm and cozy with.

You know that whole the team hasn't won a playoff game in 14 years and were embarrassed on national television when they did get a chance to compete with elite teams in the post-season then we bitch about how the NFL ignores the Chiefs and why they don't get prime time games.

It's because their a joke.

The Chiefs are like a 25 year old who just graduated college and keeps going back to the frat house on weekends to try and hang on to the glory days of yesteryear.

That would be fine if it was for a year or maybe even two but Carl's the 30 year old guy hanging out wondering why he can't score with college chicks anymore.

This post is reflective of the big issue. It's been time to let go and move on for a long time.

keg in kc

04-15-2008, 11:17 AM

That would be fine if it was for a year or maybe even two but Carl's the 30 year old guy hanging out wondering why he can't score with college chicks anymore.Hell, Carl was the 20-year old who couldn't score with college chicks, who's still striking out 10-years later and a 100 pounds heavier.

bringbackmarty

04-15-2008, 12:45 PM

Marty will be back as GM in 2009.

el borracho

04-15-2008, 12:52 PM

Why, oh why isn't this a public poll? I see at least 4 people who should be on my ignore list.

Bowser

04-15-2008, 12:54 PM

I'm not saying I'd take Herm over Marty, but this is a chance to post this again -

kcxiv

04-15-2008, 12:55 PM

I have seen alot of stupid polls in my life, but this one is right up there in the top 3.

SBK

04-15-2008, 01:03 PM

I'd take Herm. He's shown he can actually win playoff games. Marty would have a lousy record right now if he got the same team Herm did.

keg in kc

04-15-2008, 01:03 PM

Marty will be back as GM in 2009.Shoot me now.

el borracho

04-15-2008, 01:06 PM

I have seen alot of stupid polls in my life, but this one is right up there in the top 3.

What would you rather eat-
1) a slightly overcooked ribeye or
2) a shit sandwhich

http://espn.go.com/media/nfl/2006/0109/photo/a_edwards_195.jpg

Reerun_KC

04-15-2008, 01:09 PM

Marty will be back as GM in 2009.
Dear GOD, why? What a waste!

This poll is retarded...

Its like asking a death row inmate, "so boy, do you want to die by the Chair or by lethal injection... Either way your screwed"....

Where is the neither option? Both suck ass and neither will ever win a superbowl..

How about, lets clean how and leave the 1990's in the past....

Tits McGee

04-15-2008, 10:22 PM

Marty. Just hide your girlfriend from him.
It was a great poll.

Buck

04-15-2008, 10:25 PM

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/darth-enigmus/thread-fail-stamp.gif

Ultra Peanut

04-15-2008, 10:30 PM

snoopys balls

FloridaMan88

04-15-2008, 10:32 PM

Marty, Norv, Rich Kotite, Jack Pardee... I'd take anyone over Herm

KcMizzou

04-15-2008, 10:32 PM

Marty's a hell of a football coach.

Maybe he can't make a good team great, but he can damned sure make a bad team good.

Buck

04-15-2008, 10:33 PM

So its Marty vs. Norv, Herm, and some guy named Marv?

BIG K

04-15-2008, 10:36 PM

I'll take Marty to build my team and well, someone else to coach it...Marty for GM!!

milkman

04-16-2008, 09:02 AM

:crybaby:

Skip Towne

04-16-2008, 09:07 AM

Marty>Herm

royr17

04-16-2008, 09:20 AM

Both. Herm can draft the talent, and Marty can coach the team.

milkman

04-16-2008, 09:23 AM

Marty>Herm

A venerial desease is greater than AIDs, but why the hell would I want either?

milkman

04-16-2008, 09:25 AM

Both. Herm can draft the talent, and Marty can coach the team.

Cool!

We'll draft average players and get bounced out of the playoffs in the first round every year!

Sounds like a plan.

As a matter of fact, that sounds exactly like Carl's 5 year plan.

Dave Lane

04-16-2008, 09:25 AM

Wow looks like there are 6 Bronco fans or 6 people who didn't read the question properly. :)

Dave

Chief Faithful

04-16-2008, 09:25 AM

Herm is the answer because he is the current coach.

Sometimes faith has to overide logic.:arrow:

royr17

04-16-2008, 09:34 AM

Cool!

We'll draft average players and get bounced out of the playoffs in the first round every year!

Sounds like a plan.

As a matter of fact, that sounds exactly like Carl's 5 year plan.

The reason for this is, I firmly believe that Herm is a better judge of talent then Marty, but Herm doesnt use his players to there full potential, Marty is the better coach clearly, no question about it.

So herm drafts the talent and Marty coaches the team.

milkman

04-16-2008, 09:50 AM

The reason for this is, I firmly believe that Herm is a better judge of talent then Marty, but Herm doesnt use his players to there full potential, Marty is the better coach clearly, no question about it.

So herm drafts the talent and Marty coaches the team.

Well.....duh...

In the end, you'd still have a team that gets bounced out of the playoffs.

That's what Marty coached teams do.

And the fact is, Herman ****ing Edwards has done a fair job of drafting, but he hasn't yet drafted a playmaker.

Bowe might end up being one, but to this point, all Herman ****ing Edwards has really done is draft average players.

kpic

04-16-2008, 09:52 AM

Marty, Norv, Rich Kotite, Jack Pardee... I'd take anyone over Herm

:eek:

You realize he once admitted to not being able to call the plays on his play sheet cause it got wet in the rain during a game!

Herms that bad!!??

Or has he yet to be in a bad weather game :hmmm:

Reerun_KC

04-16-2008, 10:46 AM

Marty is Herm, Herm is Marty.....

Finkle is Eichore, Eichore is Finkle....

Reerun_KC

04-16-2008, 10:47 AM

:eek:

You realize he once admitted to not being able to call the plays on his play sheet cause it got wet in the rain during a game!

Herms that bad!!??

Or has he yet to be in a bad weather game :hmmm:

:banghead: Sadly, Yes the guy is a coaching nightmare.... It pains me to know his is on the sidelines for the chiefs.

Skip Towne

04-16-2008, 11:14 AM

You could give Herm the first 10 picks and he still would have a losing season.

royr17

04-16-2008, 11:47 AM

Herm is Herm, point blank he sucks as a head coach, great recruiter, but a terrible head coach, I wouldnt be a bit surprised if we lost all of our games this year, not going to happen, we'll win one or two, but we aint going anywhere with him as head coach.

Should've just given the job to Al Saunders instead of this loser.

BigChiefFan

04-16-2008, 12:06 PM

Marty is a good game day planner, who excels on the defensive side of the ball, but also recognizes the importance of building a great O-line. He's as good as they come on gameday-you won't see him mismanage the clock, etc..Marty is too conservative or at least he was when he was with the Chiefs.

Herm is decent talent evaluator, but is a disaster on game day. He seems like a highly principled man, but his coaching skills leave something to be desired.

Norv is a decent coach, who makes some blunders from time to time, but he is an INCREDIBLE X's and O's guy. Norv seems a little timid to motivate his players, but I think he's a good coach.

I would say Norv and Marty are two different ends of the spectrum-one is a conservative D minded coach and the other is an Offensive coach. Apples and oranges.

I think I would hire Marty over Norv because I believe Marty has a track-record of establishing better teams. Norv is probably easier to work with from a GM's standpoint. Norv doesn't have enough experience to give him the nod. Marty wins out on resume' alone.

Reerun_KC

04-16-2008, 12:22 PM

Should've just given the job to Al Saunders instead of this loser.
ROFL

You're kidding right?

No it was/is time to clean house and start fresh, give the Chiefs fans a reason to spend $$$, give them something other than the coveted 9-7 season that Carl hangs his "HOPE" hat on and the lemmings dream of...

Just say "NO" to mediocre, Carl, Herm, anything Marty and the 1990's...

Time to move forward Chiefs fans... The 1990's were great, but this is 2008 and its 10 years past new life time....

J Diddy

04-16-2008, 12:28 PM

el borracho

04-16-2008, 12:44 PM

Marty is Herm, Herm is Marty.....

Finkle is Eichore, Eichore is Finkle....

Schottenheimer: 200-126-1 (.613 win percentage)
Edwards: 52-60 (.464 win percentage)

Reerun_KC

04-16-2008, 01:14 PM

Schottenheimer: 200-126-1 (.613 win percentage)
Edwards: 52-60 (.464 win percentage)

How about their playoff records?

TEX

04-16-2008, 01:17 PM

Shoot - Marty didn't even want Herm. ROFL He fired - I mean he "did not renew" his contract. Peterson came to his rescue and found a scouting position for him. Then his other buddy Dungy came to the rescue and gave him another coaching job in Tampa.

TEX

04-16-2008, 01:19 PM

How about their playoff records?

With the Chiefs?

Reerun_KC

04-16-2008, 01:28 PM

With the Chiefs?
Nope over all...

Marty vs Herm

What are their career playoff records?

TEX

04-16-2008, 01:32 PM

Nope over all...

Marty vs Herm

What are their career playoff records?

You know that Herm has won more. He also won a head to head meeting against Marty. Still, I'd take Marty any day over Herm. Herm is one of the absolute worst HC's in the league IMO.

el borracho

04-16-2008, 01:52 PM

How about their playoff records?

They both lose in the playoffs. Who cares? I would bet money that Herm will never even see the playoffs again as a head coach, certainly not in the next two years (and please, god, let him be fired long before then).

TEX

04-16-2008, 01:56 PM

Marty. Big difference between unlucky and retarded.

:clap: LMAO

Reerun_KC

04-16-2008, 02:20 PM

They both lose in the playoffs. Who cares? I would bet money that Herm will never even see the playoffs again as a head coach, certainly not in the next two years (and please, god, let him be fired long before then).
:clap: QFT

TN_Chief

04-16-2008, 02:20 PM

I can't believe there are actually 7 people dumb enough to vote for Herm.

Reerun_KC

04-16-2008, 02:21 PM

You know that Herm has won more. He also won a head to head meeting against Marty. Still, I'd take Marty any day over Herm. Herm is one of the absolute worst HC's in the league IMO.
I will never forget that game, it was like watching a cripple fight...

http://animatedtv.about.com/library/graphics/sp503_CrippleFight.jpg

Reerun_KC

04-16-2008, 02:22 PM

I can't believe there are actually 7 people dumb enough to vote for Herm.
Zouk has figured out how to vote multiple times....

ClevelandBronco

04-16-2008, 03:55 PM

Oh, crap. My fault. I kind of threw this thing together at 3 a.m. or so.

Perhaps the new guy can correct my mistakes soon.

Skip Towne

04-16-2008, 04:07 PM

I'd take Herm. He's shown he can actually win playoff games. Marty would have a lousy record right now if he got the same team Herm did.

Marty took what Frank Ganz left him and went 8-7-1. Then went 11-5 the next year.