Minnesota Twins @ Kansas City Royals Game Thread (5/28)

[alnorth]

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<td>Final / 10</td> <td> 1 </td> <td> 2 </td><td> 3 </td><td> 4 </td><td> 5 </td><td> 6 </td><td> 7 </td><td> 8 </td><td> 9 </td><td> <center>10</center> </td><td> R </td><td> <center>H</center> </td><td> E </td></tr>
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<tr> <td>KC (21-32)</td> <td> 1 </td> <td> 0 </td><td> 2 </td><td> 3 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 2 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> <center>0</center></td><td> 8 </td><td> <center>16</center> </td><td> 0 </td></tr>
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Livan Hernandez 6IP 8R 6ER 0BB 2K
Juan Rincon 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Bobby Korecky 1.1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Dennys Reyes 0.1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Win, (3-2) Jesse Crain 0.1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Save, (14) Joe Nathan 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K

VS.

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Zack Greinke 8IP 3R 3ER 2BB 8K
Ramon Ramirez 0.2IP 4R 4ER 0BB 2K
Blown Save, (1); Loss, (0-2) Joel Peralta 1.1IP 2R 2ER 0BB 0K

Starting Lineups

MIN

1. Carlos Gomez, CF
2. Alexi Casilla, 2B
2. Craig Monroe, ph
2. Matt Macri, 2B
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Justin Morneau, 1B
5. Michael Cuddyer, RF
6. Jason Kubel, DH
7. Delmon Young, LF
8. Mike Lamb, 3B
9. Brendan Harris, SS

KC

1. Davis DeJesus, RF
1. Ross Gload, ph/RF
2. Joey Gathright, CF
3. Alex Gordon, 3B
4. Jose Guillen, LF
5. Miguel Olivo, C
6. Mark Teahen, 1B
7. Billy Butler, DH
8. Alberto Callaspo, 2B
9. Tony Pena Jr, SS

[Deberg_1990]

My prediction:

Royals 1

Twins 7

Royals score 1 run off 17 singles.

[Fish]

MUSTSNAPSTREAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Go Blue!

[alnorth]

Joey Gathright bats second. Awesome.

Oh well, screw it, batting order is almost irrelevant anyway.

[KurtCobain]

royals are gonna win this one 23-3

[alnorth]

I am pleased to announce that after rolling a couple dice

1d4 - 1 = 2

1d12 - 1 = 1

I can confidently predict that the Royals will be victorious today in an epic pitcher's duel by the final score of 2 to 1.

[alnorth]

Top 1st

Gomez strikes out (foul bunt)
Casilla strikes out (swinging)
Mauer grounds out to second

0 runs, 0 hits

DeJesus singles to right
Gathright hits an infield single to pitcher, DeJesus to second
Gordon singles to center, Gathright to second, DeJesus to third
Guillen grounds into a 4-6-3 double play, Gordon out at second, Gathright to third, DeJesus scores
Olivo pops out to second

1 run, 3 hits

[SithCeNtZ]

Can someone else who watched yesterday's game and today's game summerize Frank White's position on pitching inside? I can't tell if he is in favor of it, since he hardly talks about it at all.

[Coach]

Can't wait for Guillen to hit into a triple play....

[alnorth]

Top 2nd

Morneau grounds out to second
Cuddyer grounds out to second
Kubel strikes out (swinging)

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 2nd

Teahen flies out to center
Butler grounds out to shortstop
Callaspo grounds out to shortstop

0 runs, 0 hits

[Coach]

Can't wait for Guillen to hit into a triple play....

So close....

[SCTrojan]

Can't wait for Guillen to hit into a triple play....

No need for pessimism - he only hit into a double play. :rolleyes:

Surely he doesn't get an RBI for that.

[alnorth]

Top 3rd

Young walks
Lamb singles to left, Young to second
Harris sacrifices (bunt) to first, Lamb to second, Young to third
Gomez singles to right, Lamb to third, Young scores
Casilla sacrifices (fly) to center, Lamb scores
Gomez to second on a Balk
Mauer strikes out (swinging)

2 runs, 2 hits

Bottom 3rd

Pena Jr flies out to right
DeJesus flies out to center
Gathright hits an infield single to first
Gordon singles to right, Gathright to third
Guillen singles to center, Gordon to third, Gathright scores
Olivo doubles to left, Guillen to third, Gordon scores
Teahen grounds out to second

2 runs, 4 hits

[SPchief]

How was that a balk?

[Coach]

How was that a balk?

Becuase we are the Kansas City F**king Royals, that why....

[teedubya]

10!

[Fish]

Rattle them bats.....

[SCTrojan]

Well, we know Jose won't hit into a double play in this situation.

[Fish]

Bada Bing bitches......

Tied up...

[SPchief]

Holy shit, clutch hitting!

[Kraus]

Jose didn't choke!

[Kraus]

Olivo kicks ass.

[Fish]

BREAKTHE****INGSTREAKKKKKKKKKKK

[Kraus]

....robbed by a great play. Damn.

[SPchief]

DAMN, nice play

[Coach]

F**k! Lucky stab!

[DeezNutz]

da da Da...da da Da...

[alnorth]

Top 4th

Morneau flies out to center
Cuddyer pops out to first
Kubel grounds out to shortstop

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 4th

Butler hits an infield single to third
Callaspo singles to center, Butler to second
Pena Jr flies out to right
DeJesus singles to left, Callaspo to second, Butler scores, DeJesus to second, Callaspo to third on an Error by LF
Gathright sacrifices (fly) to left, Callaspo scores
Gordon reaches second, DeJesus scores on an Error by LF
Guillen grounds out to shortstop

3 runs, 3 hits, 2 errors

[SPchief]

Livan "I'm to lazy to back up my catcher" Hernandez

[SCTrojan]

Butler blazes home from second on a short hit to left. After an infield hit.

[Fish]

Love to see Hernandez getting rocked....

[SPchief]

Wow

[SCTrojan]

That was incredible. I don't think I've seen an outfielder whiff on a fly ball like that.

[alnorth]

Top 5th

Young flies out to center
Lamb lines out to shortstop
Harris singles to left
Gomez strikes out (swinging)

0 runs, 1 hit

Bottom 5th

Olivo strikes out (swinging)
Teahen singles to right
Butler grounds into a 4-6-3 double play, Teahen out at second

0 runs, 1 hit

[alnorth]

I think only 1 of those runs should be earned. Callaspo would not have been sacrificed home without the first throwing error.

[SCTrojan]

I think only 1 of those runs should be earned. Callaspo would not have been sacrificed home without the first throwing error.

I don't really understand all the nuances of scoring. But it would seem that since he got on as a result of a base hit and did not advance home solely because of the error, and the error didn't prolong the inning, that run would be considered as earned.

[keg in kc]

I turn the game on and they start scoring runs.

WTF.

Is this slump my fault?

[alnorth]

I don't really understand all the nuances of scoring. But it would seem that since he got on as a result of a base hit and did not advance home solely because of the error, and the error didn't prolong the inning, that run would be considered as earned.

Nah, it was unearned, the scorer saw it the same way.

The question you have to ask is very very simple. "Would he have scored if that error did not happen?" In this case, the answer was no, but we didnt know that till the second error.

Callaspo is legitimately on 2nd, but the error advances him to third with 1 out. If we then had a double, then it may have been scored an earned run since he could score from second. Instead we had a second error after the flyout, which clinched the unearned run. Without the errors, he should have been stranded at second with only 1 run in.

Incidentally, once you have a situation where the inning should be over like that second error, then you can allow a million runs and none of them would count as earned.

[alnorth]

Top 6th

Casilla strikes out (swinging)
Mauer grounds out to first 3-1
Morneau strikes out (looking)

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 6th

Callaspo flies out to left
Pena Jr strikes out (swinging)
DeJesus flies out to center

0 runs, 0 hits

[SCTrojan]

Nah, it was unearned, the scorer saw it the same way.

The question you have to ask is very very simple. "Would he have scored if that error did not happen?" In this case, the answer was no, but we didnt know that till the second error.

Callaspo is legitimately on 2nd, but the error advances him to third with 1 out. If we then had a double, then it may have been scored an earned run since he could score from second. Instead we had a second error after the flyout, which clinched the unearned run. Without the errors, he should have been stranded at second with only 1 run in.

Incidentally, once you have a situation where the inning should be over like that second error, then you can allow a million runs and none of them would count as earned.

Makes sense. It's interesting how much subjectivity plays into scoring, especially in determining what is a hit and and what is an error.

[SCTrojan]

Which comes first - Pena's average dips below .125 or he gets sat down pretty much permanently?

[evolve27]

Pena is ridiculously bad.

[alnorth]

Top 7th

Cuddyer flies out to center
Kubel singles to left
Young walks, Kubel to second
Lamb singles to center, Young to second, Kubel scores
Harris strikes out (swinging)
Gomez pops out to pitcher

1 run, 2 hits

Bottom 7th

Gathright singles to center
Gathright steals second
Gordon hits a ground rule double to right, Gathright scores

Juan Rincon relieves Hernandez

Guillen pops out to second
Olivo singles to center, Gordon scores
Teahen grounds out to first 3-1, Olivo to second
Butler flies out to center

2 runs, 3 hits

[evolve27]

Which comes first - Pena's average dips below .125 or he gets sat down pretty much permanently?

I hope he gets sat down permanently.

[alnorth]

Makes sense. It's interesting how much subjectivity plays into scoring, especially in determining what is a hit and and what is an error.

Luckily this situation didnt require a lot of subjectivity. I think the only real hard rules are that you can never assume a double play. You can assume one out would happen without an error, but never two even if it looked like an obvious double play ball. (so man on 3rd, 1 out, error to shortstop, the run is still earned)

It gets really interesting where you have to subjectively decide if a man on second would have scored on a single. At that point, I just wait till the scorer makes a ruling because I have no clue what they will ever say on that.

[evolve27]

Top 7th

Cuddyer
Kubel
Young

Give us a double play. Grienke has this lineup owned.

[SCTrojan]

Zack really needs to buckle down. I'm hoping walking Young after being ahead 0-2 doesn't come back to haunt him.

[evolve27]

Zack really needs to buckle down. I'm hoping walking Young after being ahead 0-2 doesn't come back to haunt him.

Dammit. Good call.

[SCTrojan]

Filthy.

[alnorth]

meh, I have faith in the bullpen. I think that run will only end up giving us a hold and save.

[Kraus]

Gathright with a 3-hit game.

[SCTrojan]

Time to play a little small ball.

[alnorth]

Why is Hernandez still pitching? Have they just given this one up?

[evolve27]

Nice hit by Joey.

[Kraus]

I don't think Gordon hasn't been retired tonight. 3 hits and an error by a fielder got him on base.

[evolve27]

Why is Hernandez still pitching? Have they just given this one up?

:LOL: The Royals are likely to botch this lead sadly.

[keg in kc]

This is some of the worst outfield play I've seen. Surprising from Minnesota.

[alnorth]

meh, I have faith in the bullpen. I think that run will only end up giving us a hold and save.

Silly me, for some reason I thought we were done scoring.

[SPchief]

:LOL: The Royals are likely to botch this lead sadly.

:spock:

[SCTrojan]

That goes along with our discussion about scoring, al. That's an error, IMO, but it gets scored a hit and an earned run. Not that I'm complaining as a Royals fan. But I don't think Livan Hernandez feels the same way.

[alnorth]

That goes along with our discussion about scoring, al. That's an error, IMO, but it gets scored a hit and an earned run. Not that I'm complaining as a Royals fan. But I don't think Livan Hernandez feels the same way.

generally, the infielders get almost no slack at all, to the point where its only an infield hit if no human being on the planet could reliably make the play. However, outfielders are given EVERY benefit of the doubt. It has to be a blooper reel play for an outfielder to get a fielding error.

[keg in kc]

That goes along with our discussion about scoring, al. That's an error, IMO, but it gets scored a hit and an earned run. Not that I'm complaining as a Royals fan. But I don't think Livan Hernandez feels the same way.He didn't get a glove on it (at least it didn't look like it on my 3 inch tv here in the studio....), that's often the line of demarcation.

You'd never have inside the park homers if goofy plays like that were considered errors...

[keg in kc]

Sorry young Buck, but Olivo needs to be our starting catcher.

[evolve27]

Sorry young Buck, but Olivo needs to be our starting catcher.

Absolutely.

[alnorth]

and as a weird theoretical exercise, if we would have scored that double as an error, then Olivo's single would have probably made that 1st run still count as earned.

[Kraus]

Sorry young Buck, but Olivo needs to be our starting catcher.

I agree.

[SCTrojan]

He didn't get a glove on it (at least it didn't look like it on my 3 inch tv here in the studio....), that's often the line of demarcation.

You'd never have inside the park homers if goofy plays like that were considered errors...

You're right - he didn't get close to it. I just think that was a pretty routine play to make, but I can see the relative logic of calling it a hit.

generally, the infielders get almost no slack at all, to the point where its only an infield hit if no human being on the planet could reliably make the play. However, outfielders are given EVERY benefit of the doubt. It has to be a blooper reel play for an outfielder to get a fielding error.

All part of the beauty of baseball. You can get in these discussions and sometimes the scorer bears you out and other times not.

[alnorth]

Top 8th

Casilla grounds out to second
Mauer flies out to left
Morneau flies out to left

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 8th

Bobby Korecky relieves Rincon

Callaspo hits an infield single to shortstop
Pena Jr reaches on a 1-6 fielder's choice, Callaspo out at second

Ross Gload bats for DeJesus

Gload grounds into a 1-6-3 double play, Pena Jr out at second

0 runs, 1 hit

[alnorth]

All part of the beauty of baseball. You can get in these discussions and sometimes the scorer bears you out and other times not.

And of course you gotta be some kind of sick uber-nerd to care about those finer scoring details. I obviously plead guilty and carry my nerd-card with pride.

[SCTrojan]

Didn't think we'd see Zack again tonight.

[SCTrojan]

and as a weird theoretical exercise, if we would have scored that double as an error, then Olivo's single would have probably made that 1st run still count as earned.

You're right, but that logic makes my head hurt.

[keg in kc]

I just think that was a pretty routine play to makeLike I said right after it happened, this is some of the worst outfield play I've seen.

(Not long after that, a guy tried to throw Gordon out at home, which was, to me at least, another bad fundamental play...)

[alnorth]

ok Trey, we all like Zack, but if anybody gets on base at all, he's gotta come out. We dont really need 120+ pitches from him to beat the Twins tonight.

[evolve27]

3 ER's is a fine day's work for Greinke.

[keg in kc]

92 and 94 on the last two fastballs. Christ.

[SCTrojan]

ok Trey, we all like Zack, but if anybody gets on base at all, he's gotta come out. We dont really need 120+ pitches from him to beat the Twins tonight.

I was just thinking that once you trot someone out there, there's this insane need to let him finish the inning, and pitch counts get elevated. Luckily, he got through it pretty efficiently.

[Kraus]

Anybody think Greinke will go all nine?

[keg in kc]

No, no way he goes nine.

[Adept Havelock]

Anybody think Greinke will go all nine?

I doubt it.

[SPchief]

Anybody think Greinke will go all nine?



No

[SCTrojan]

Anybody think Greinke will go all nine?

Let's hope not.

[evolve27]

Anybody think Greinke will go all nine?

Just one more, hell why not.

[evolve27]

Dear God, someone help Pena strike the ball with bat.

[keg in kc]

Show us that famous passion Trey. Get tossed.

[SPchief]

I don't know about that call

[SPchief]

Show us that famous passion Trey. Get tossed.

LMAO

[SCTrojan]

Heard on the radio that if Pena ends up with the average he had coming into tonight, then it will be the lowest for someone qualifying for the batting title since somewhere around 1896. And the fielder's choice gets him closer.

[SCTrojan]

He may not hit much, but at least you get solid fundamentals from Pena. :spock:

[BWillie]

No way Miguel Olivio is actually this good. No way

[evolve27]

He may not hit much, but at least you get solid fundamentals from Pena. :spock:

lol

[alnorth]

cool, Greinke is done

[alnorth]

Top 9th

Gload comes in at RF

Ramon Ramirez relieves Greinke

Cuddyer strikes out (swinging)
Kubel singles to right
Young strikes out (swinging)
Kubel to second on a Wild Pitch
Lamb singles to right, Kubel scores
Harris singles to right, Lamb to second
Gomez singles to center, Harris to second, Lamb scores

Craig Monroe bats for Casilla

Joel Peralta relieves Ramirez

Monroe homers to left, Gomez and Harris scores
Mauer grounds out to shortstop

5 runs, 5 hits

Bottom 9th

Matt Macri replaces Monroe and comes in at 2B

Gathright grounds out to third

Dennys Reyes relieves Korecky

Gordon flies out to right

Jesse Crain relieves Reyes

Guillen hits an infield single to pitcher
Olivo grounds out to third

0 runs, 1 hit

[alnorth]

Dont look now, but we are suddenly in a save situation if a new pitcher were to come in.

[SCTrojan]

No need to make this interesting and turn it into a save situation or anything like that.

[Adept Havelock]

Maybe we should have left Zach in. :banghead:

[SPchief]

I think hernandez is over thinking right now.

[evolve27]

Oh shit. The crowd is booing undoubtedly. Pretty sloppy from Ramirez.

[Adept Havelock]

I think hernandez is over thinking right now.

About what? What he's going to do when he hits the locker room? :p

[SCTrojan]

Maybe we should have left Zach in. :banghead:

I was just thinking the same thing.

[keg in kc]

Come on you sons of bitches, one friggin out.

[SPchief]

About what? What he's going to do when he hits the locker room? :p

doh, meant to type Ramierez

[Adept Havelock]

Oh goody. Peralta is here.:huh:

One damn out. Why not send Soria out? He went two innings yesterday..BFD.

[doomy3]

why did we bring in Peralta and not Soria?

[Adept Havelock]

why did we bring in Peralta and not Soria?

Dumbassery?

[SPchief]

Big pitch here

[evolve27]

Fu*k.

[SPchief]

:banghead:

[Fish]

Are you ****ing kidding me?

[Kraus]

Why the **** didn't we put Soria in?

[evolve27]

The Royals can blow any lead, what a mockery of baseball.

[Mizzou_8541]

wow. amazing.

[SPchief]

I'm speechless

[KCUnited]

So ****ing believeable.

[Adept Havelock]

:cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

You need one damn out. Hillman is A $@#@$!!!#$@ idiot for not sending out Soria.

A complete *&$#$@$ idiot.

[keg in kc]

Just amazing.

The losing streak is going to 10, they're done scoring.

[tk13]

Craig Monroe always seems to kill the Royals.

[doomy3]

This is on Hillman. We have one of the best closers in baseball. Doesn't do any good if we don't use him to get a big out. Wasted start by Greinke.

[SPchief]

I'll laugh when Gathright hits the game ending homerun

[KCUnited]

Actually, putting Gload in for DeJesus was a huge mistake too. DeJesus gets to that fly ball and this game is over.

[KCUnited]

Que up Grienke's meds, he's going to need them.

[Adept Havelock]

This is on Hillman. We have one of the best closers in baseball. Doesn't do any good if we don't use him to get a big out. Wasted start by Greinke.

He threw 31 pitches last night. Trey decided that he just couldn't get one $#&!@%(#(%*) out. :banghead:

F*** YOU HILLMAN!

[SithCeNtZ]

Actually, putting Gload in for DeJesus was a huge mistake too. DeJesus gets to that fly ball and this game is over.

Or, you know, putting Teahan in RF where he has played for much of the season.

[Mecca]

They'd probably tell you that Soria was in no way shape or form pitching today.

[DeezNutz]

They'd probably tell you that Soria was in no way shape or form pitching today.

I realize you're not defending the decision, but I thought the team was considering him as a starter. He threw 31 pitches yesterday. My guess is he was ok for a batter.

[Mecca]

I realize you're not defending the decision, but I thought the team was considering him as a starter. He threw 31 pitches yesterday. My guess is he was ok for a batter.

I'm not defending but I'm telling you the logic they'll give you, if a reliever throws 31 pitches they don't pitch the next day, it's not just pitches it's also the warm up pitches and all that.

[keg in kc]

rofl, that was a real smash.

[Adept Havelock]

Base hit. Yawn.

[keg in kc]

This is like a whole team of Mike S. Weeney's. Can't hit when it matters.

[SCTrojan]

So, does Peralta come out again?

[alnorth]

Top 10th

Morneau homers to right
Cuddyer flies out to center
Kubel grounds out to second
Young flies out to center

1 run, 1 hit

Bottom 10th

Joe Nathan relieves Crain

Teahen fouls out to third
Butler fouls out to first
Callaspo grounds out to shortstop

0 runs, 0 hits

Twins win, 9-8

[keg in kc]

So, does Peralta come out again?Hopefully. Then I won't have to watch another inning and can concentrate on finishing up at work.

[DeezNutz]

I'm not defending but I'm telling you the logic they'll give you, if a reliever throws 31 pitches they don't pitch the next day, it's not just pitches it's also the warm up pitches and all that.

Of course that's what they'd say, and they're wrong.

**** it. Take out the sinker-baller and bring in the fly-ball pitcher.

Yard, again!!!

[Mecca]

Morneau goes deep.

[keg in kc]

Well, that's it. Game over.

Time to get rid of Peralta, too.

[Adept Havelock]

Hopefully. Then I won't have to watch another inning and can concentrate on finishing up at work.

Prophetic. :banghead:

[evolve27]

Peralta scares me.

[SPchief]

Why the **** did Peralta come back out?

[siberian khatru]

I guess the Royals won't win another game the rest of the year.

[SCTrojan]

They really need to outright release him tonight.

[Adept Havelock]

Why the **** did Peralta come back out?

Dumbassery?

:shrug:

[DeezNutz]

They really need to outright release him tonight.

Trey? Harsh, but ok.

[Fish]

Greinke should get a free throw at Peralta's face for every run he brought it.... then Ramirez...

Pathetic....

[Adept Havelock]

Trey? Harsh, but ok.

We can be sure after the game he'll say "This loss is entirely my fault". Bravo Foxtrot Delta, Trey.

[SCTrojan]

Trey? Harsh, but ok.

LMAO

[Adept Havelock]

Greinke should get a free throw at Peralta's face for every run he brought it....

Pathetic....

I'd rather let the team use his balls for batting practice. After they get done using Rameriez's skull.

[keg in kc]

In true royals fashion, they'll either go quietly without a baserunner, or load the bases with no outs, and still lose.

[SCTrojan]

No way Nathan is going to blow another save.

[DeezNutz]

We can be sure after the game he'll say "This loss is entirely my fault". Bravo Foxtrot Delta, Trey.

"This one is on me. The other 9 are on them, so I guess it was my turn."

[KCUnited]

I'd rather let the team use his balls for batting practice. After they get done using Rameriez's skull.

lord knows they need it.

[Mecca]

Nathan dares Teahen to take a swipe at a bad pitch.

[keg in kc]

Well, he made contact. That was more than I expected.

[Mizzou_8541]

Is it possible for Peralta to get worse than a loss for this one? Like maybe a loss and perpetual absence of toilet paper at his house?

[DeezNutz]

If I were Grienke's agent, the contract demands just went up by at least 1 mil. per.

[Mecca]

The Royals rule at foul popups.

[DeezNutz]

Cool. Can we end the game with 3 pop-ups in foul territory? Offensive prowess.

[keg in kc]

I predict a strikeout to end the game.

[Fish]

Hooray pop flies!!!

Bourbon bourbon....

[evolve27]

Callaspo will hit a homer.

[DeezNutz]

I predict a strikeout to end the game.

I predict an out.

[petegz28]

**** YOU PERALTA YOU PIECE OF SHIT!

[SPchief]

I hate this shit

[keg in kc]

The Royals are redefining pathetic.

True. Blue. Tradition.

[Mecca]

The fact that an offensively inept team like the Royals loses a game when scoring 8 is pretty bad..they probably won't get 8 runs over the next 4 games.

[Sure-Oz]

wow, jsut got home from Indy 4 and see that we gave up 5 in the 9th and now have lost, what the ****

[keg in kc]

I wonder if this will go 20+ games. They may not score 8 runs in a series, much less a game, again.

[Adept Havelock]

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

[keg in kc]

wow, jsut got home from Indy 4 and see that we gave up 5 in the 9th and now have lost, what the ****Oh, so you got double-f*cked. Oh man, just start drinking.

[evolve27]

Now I know how it feels like to be a Raiders fan.

[SCTrojan]

Consistently finding new and innovative ways to lose.

[DeezNutz]

It's ironic that any single game could be this demoralizing for this year's Royals team.

[Sure-Oz]

16 hits, wow, offense shows up and the pen has a mighty collapse....i would throwing crushing crystal skulls if i were this team

[siberian khatru]

10 days ago, after the Marlins series, the Royals were looking in good shape. Then the ****ing bottom completely dropped out of the season. *snaps fingers* Like that.

It's just so hard to be a fan of this franchise anymore. And I say that as someone who's followed the team for 33 years. Just when you start thinking there's a glimmer of hope, just a speck that you could grab onto with a pair of tweezers, that's all, not asking much ... BOOM they kick you in the nuts again. And again. And again ...

[Sure-Oz]

Oh, so you got double-f*cked. Oh man, just start drinking.

I was drinking during it and now am ready for more

[DeezNutz]

"Time to slash payroll! Why spend 65 mil. for this? I'm looking at nothing but a 35 mil. product." /David Glass/

[keg in kc]

A couple of weeks ago, I might have said, "ah well, they could go on a winning streak, too, they're that kind of team".

Don't think I believe that now. This is pathetic. They may struggle to stay above 100 losses yet again.

[alanm]

WTF Happened? I leave for a little bit with the Royals winning thinking the hapless streak is over. And I come back to find out they give up 6 runs the last 2 innings and they lose. :banghead::banghead:
Just take all these guys out and shoot them please. :grovel:

[tk13]

The flipside to this game is the old argument that anyone can close a game. I think bullpen parts are often replaceable, but sometimes I think people underrate the ability of a pitcher to be "clutch"... in terms of not melting down when trying to get the last 3 outs, when they're usually otherwise a good pitcher.

[alanm]

10 days ago, after the Marlins series, the Royals were looking in good shape. Then the ****ing bottom completely dropped out of the season. *snaps fingers* Like that.

It's just so hard to be a fan of this franchise anymore. And I say that as someone who's followed the team for 33 years. Just when you start thinking there's a glimmer of hope, just a speck that you could grab onto with a pair of tweezers, that's all, not asking much ... BOOM they kick you in the nuts again. And again. And again ...
You and me both brother. Though my fandom dates back to 69. 23 years of absolute futility since 85 :spock:

[Sure-Oz]

Peralta better be cut immediatly
how the **** do you give up 2 hrs and a pinch hit one cmon

[siberian khatru]

I wish they'd start making some changes, even cosmetic ones just to shake things up. Dayton would probably not do it, thinking it reeks of panic and desperation, which it might, but my God, what a demoralizing time.

I dunno, fire Barnett the hitting coach, he's a handy scapegoat (although they scored 8 tonight). Can TPJ, play Callaspo and/or call up Aviles, bring up Maier, bench or trade Teahen (whose value is probably nil) ... whatever.

[petegz28]

Peralta better be cut immediatly
how the **** do you give up 2 hrs and a pinch hit one cmon

Worse yet how do you come in from the Pen with a 3 run lead needing 1 ou and throw 3 straight balls?

Then again WTF do you not bring in Soria in that situation????????????

[DeezNutz]

The flipside to this game is the old argument that anyone can close a game. I think bullpen parts are often replaceable, but sometimes I think people underrate the ability of a pitcher to be "clutch"... in terms of not melting down when trying to get the last 3 outs, when they're usually otherwise a good pitcher.

Yes. I'm not a fan of moving Soria to the rotation. When Izzy was moved out of the role earlier this year, LaRussa talked about how hard it was to find a "special" player to fill this spot. I know not everyone's a fan of LaRussa, but dude knows a thing or two about ball.

[Sure-Oz]

Worse yet how do you come in from the Pen with a 3 run lead needing 1 ou and throw 3 straight balls?

Then again WTF do you not bring in Soria in that situation????????????

They shouldve brought him in for that 1 out...i dont care if he went 2 inn last night...give him 1 batter damn

Shitty move by Trey

[alnorth]

This changes nothing for me. It only illustrates how emotionally invested people get into the closer role. You blow one dramatic game, and the 9 previous consecutive losses that happened before where the closer would not have made a whiff of difference is just forgotten. Peralta would not be Soria's replacement if he became a starter.

[CHENZ A!]

snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

[alnorth]

They shouldve brought him in for that 1 out...i dont care if he went 2 inn last night...give him 1 batter damn

Shitty move by Trey

Agreed. If Soria is the closer, why the hell isnt he pitching to get that one out? If he's not going to be the closer and we are going to stretch him out to see if he can win some games, come out and say so.

[Adept Havelock]

Agreed. If Soria is the closer, why the hell isnt he pitching to get that one out? If he's not going to be the closer and we are going to stretch him out to see if he can win some games, come out and say so.

According to Trey's conference, Nunez is on the 15 day DL and he "didn't want to risk blowing out our closer" in that situation. :banghead:

[petegz28]

According to Trey's conference, Nunez is on the 15 day DL and he "didn't want to risk blowing out our closer" in that situation. :banghead:

Well that really paid off. This was Hillman's first **** up this year that really cost us.

[Mecca]

I wish they'd start making some changes, even cosmetic ones just to shake things up. Dayton would probably not do it, thinking it reeks of panic and desperation, which it might, but my God, what a demoralizing time.

I dunno, fire Barnett the hitting coach, he's a handy scapegoat (although they scored 8 tonight). Can TPJ, play Callaspo and/or call up Aviles, bring up Maier, bench or trade Teahen (whose value is probably nil) ... whatever.

I think Teahen has pretty well proven he's a backup utility player.

[Sure-Oz]

Wtf happend to Nunez??

Soria couldve gone against 1 batter, seriously

[Sure-Oz]

I think Teahen has pretty well proven he's a backup utility player.

I keep hearing he's our best base runner, too bad he can't get on base

[DeezNutz]

I keep hearing he's our best base runner, too bad he can't get on base

As you many of you might know from previous threads, I think Teahen is someone I want on the team, but as a utility player. He'd be my Ross Gload.

That said, Teahen has hit the ball well the past two games. He's had some tough hitting luck, though.

[Demonpenz]

Build a bear day is satrurday

[petegz28]

Build a bear day is satrurday

No it isn't, bobblehead day is Saturday

[DeezNutz]

When is build-a-franchise day? I'll pay for that. Keep the bear.

[Deberg_1990]

I think its official and probably has been for awhile....

KC Royals are the worst franchise in American Pro Sports.....sigh....

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Anyone know the reason why pitchers years ago could throw so many pitches, innings, and games while pitchers today are probably more injury prone even though they are used less. It has always bothered me.

[Deberg_1990]

Anyone know the reason why pitchers years ago could throw so many pitches, innings, and games while pitchers today are probably more injury prone even though they are used less. It has always bothered me.

Ive always wondered this myself. Even back in Quisenberrys and Rollie Fingers day, it wasnt unusual to see a closer work 2 sometimes 3 innings. Everything has become so specialized these days.

[Demonpenz]

No it isn't, bobblehead day is Saturday


haha. Oh shit what do you say about this one. I trying to see if I could get banned from the K for my own good. After the game they were like DON'T FORGET YOUR SNICKERS BAR FROM CIRCLE K

**** YOUR SNICKERS
**** YOU BUILD AN OTTER/BEAR
**** YOUR ****ING BOBBLE HEADS
**** GLOAD IN RIGHT
**** **** **** **** ****

everytime wins 50 and every team looses it is what you do with the ones like this. I have made that drive a million times out of the complex. Jesus what that was dramatic

pinch hit cock high fastball. clutch. i can't look at it anymore. Jesus that is why people have to be careful at the beginning of the year. I don't think buddy bell was better but man can the trey hillman shit stop. Maybe we can just throw another picture of him looking like a royal who sucks the penis dancing around to the marlins cheerleaders. I predicted 96 looses I didn't think it was going to be like this. I thought it was going to because the tigers were going to beat us up. Oh well it's one game. I wonder what the stats say about throwing a guy in there to go hey hit a 3 run homerun to a ball park that isn't easy to hit one out and he getting it. Christ almighty. My 20 year I haven't seen such a snakebitten, but also stupid, and talentless bunch of guys. I think we had 16 hits and most of them were singles. What it would be nice to have some power. Twins always come in here and play tough. Thats what most team do it seems worse with the twins because they are twins tough. On a side note what the **** is up with delmon young. If i am in twins fan I am losing my mind because he is anti twins player. Oh well it's just another lose, for a shitty franchise, shitty stuff, with an old ball park that could have been downtown. Now that is next to another bullshit franchise who decided to make a nice arrowhead look like a lopsided womans vagina. Oh well out with one trash into another trash games.

[alnorth]

Anyone know the reason why pitchers years ago could throw so many pitches, innings, and games while pitchers today are probably more injury prone even though they are used less. It has always bothered me.

My theory is that we easily forget or were never told of young pitchers who broke down and became nobodies way back then. Now with the gigantic sports media, every promising young prospect is tracked hourly down to the 35th man in the minors, and somebody breaking down is big news.

[chiefqueen]

It's only Wed. but I wonder how the Indians must feel, knowing they are already have a three-game road sweep of this weekend's series "in the bag".

A loss like this is a loss that will send a young team like the Royals imto a deep tailspin. Trey should have done everything to ensure the Royals won tonight.

Because Trey did not, this losing streak will approach 20-25 games IMO.

Because Trey did not, the hitters will begin press even more at the the plate.

Because Trey did not, Luke will feel a greater need to pitch perfectly IMO.

I know this is still May, but ocasionally circumstances surrounding the game dictate the team should pull out any stops necessary to win the game. Tonight's game, having a big lead, trying to snap a long losing streak was one of those games. Losing the way they did probably set the franchise back at least a couple of years and makes the prospect of losing 100+ games in 5 out of seven years a real possibility.

[SPchief]

It's only Wed. but I wonder how the Indians must feel, knowing they are already have a three-game road sweep of this weekend's series "in the bag".

A loss like this is a loss that will send a young team like the Royals imto a deep tailspin. Trey should have done everything to ensure the Royals won tonight.

Because Trey did not, this losing streak will approach 20-25 games IMO.

Because Trey did not, the hitters will begin press even more at the the plate.

Because Trey did not, Luke will feel a greater need to pitch perfectly IMO.

I know this is still May, but ocasionally circumstances surrounding the game dictate the team should pull out any stops necessary to win the game. Tonight's game, having a big lead, trying to snap a long losing streak was one of those games. Losing the way probably set the franchise back at least a couple of years and makes the prospect of losing 100+ games in 5 out of seven years a real possibility.


You're right, this single loss sets us back years

[Mecca]

There was also a time when pitchers just had "dead arms" in todays world those are diagnosed as injuries.

[Deberg_1990]

Does Glass even give a sh*t???? I mean seriously?? I freakin hate absentee owners.

At least the Steinbrenners of the world care if the team is winning or not.

[Sam Hall]

I regret to inform you that Cliff Lee and C.C. Sabathia are coming to town on Friday and Saturday.

[DeezNutz]

It's only Wed. but I wonder how the Indians must feel, knowing they are already have a three-game road sweep of this weekend's series "in the bag".

A loss like this is a loss that will send a young team like the Royals imto a deep tailspin. Trey should have done everything to ensure the Royals won tonight.

Because Trey did not, this losing streak will approach 20-25 games IMO.

Because Trey did not, the hitters will begin press even more at the the plate.

Because Trey did not, Luke will feel a greater need to pitch perfectly IMO.

I know this is still May, but ocasionally circumstances surrounding the game dictate the team should pull out any stops necessary to win the game. Tonight's game, having a big lead, trying to snap a long losing streak was one of those games. Losing the way they did probably set the franchise back at least a couple of years and makes the prospect of losing 100+ games in 5 out of seven years a real possibility.

Some of this sky hit me in the ****ing face while I was reading this. LMAO

Seriously, though, I hear your pain. This one hurt, and it makes it seem like they'll never win again, but it would take some kind of talent to lose another 10-15 in a row.

[DeezNutz]

I regret to inform you that Cliff Lee and C.C. Sabathia are coming to town on Friday and Saturday.

But if we don't have 2.5 mil. asses in the seats, we're not raising payroll. Walmart time, believe it.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

My theory is that we easily forget or were never told of young pitchers who broke down and became nobodies way back then. Now with the gigantic sports media, every promising young prospect is tracked hourly down to the 35th man in the minors, and somebody breaking down is big news.

That is true as well. Media has played a big part. I do think pitchers pitched through alot more pain in the past than they do today. Salary has alot to do with it as well. It is just wierd that guys could pitch a complete game pretty much every time while also starting 40 plus games.

[Demonpenz]

It's only Wed. but I wonder how the Indians must feel, knowing they are already have a three-game road sweep of this weekend's series "in the bag".

A loss like this is a loss that will send a young team like the Royals imto a deep tailspin. Trey should have done everything to ensure the Royals won tonight.

Because Trey did not, this losing streak will approach 20-25 games IMO.

Because Trey did not, the hitters will begin press even more at the the plate.

Because Trey did not, Luke will feel a greater need to pitch perfectly IMO.

I know this is still May, but ocasionally circumstances surrounding the game dictate the team should pull out any stops necessary to win the game. Tonight's game, having a big lead, trying to snap a long losing streak was one of those games. Losing the way they did probably set the franchise back at least a couple of years and makes the prospect of losing 100+ games in 5 out of seven years a real possibility.


i tend to disagree. What stops are you supposed to make? Risk your boy soria who maybe the most important piece of the royals future? Naw have faith that peralta or hernadez can get it done. Then if they don't admit you made a mistake not as a manager, or a coach, but as a person with jesus and your soul will be banished to hell with hitler, stalin and albie lopez

[alnorth]

I've been watching games for a little while. I wasnt baseball-aware in the 80's, but I've stuck loyally through the 90's and recent 100 loss seasons.

I'm still trying to decide if I should be worried that tonight's loss made me upset for maybe about 14 minutes. I think I'm numb at this point, no expectations whatsoever, except that I'd kind of appreciate it if the team isnt completely blown out early and could still win in the 9th 8 times out of 10.

[DeezNutz]

Anyone know the reason why pitchers years ago could throw so many pitches, innings, and games while pitchers today are probably more injury prone even though they are used less. It has always bothered me.

The great pussification of society.

"Tommy!!! Where are you going on your bike?!? Did someone forget an ankle cushion? You'll thank me when you're still able to walk at 30."

[Demonpenz]

Anyone know the reason why pitchers years ago could throw so many pitches, innings, and games while pitchers today are probably more injury prone even though they are used less. It has always bothered me.

It's also because smaller ball parks and they throw harder and lift alot of weight with their legs to give a strong base. Probably more wear and tear on the elbow and the shoulder. Also back in the day you could get away with more garbage pitchers now guys are bigger and stronger and can go opposite way for homeruns. Curveballs sliders have to have max bite on them. One flip side is guys didn't come back from injuries. No tommy john ment your career was ovah. Then there is the million dollar investments

[DeezNutz]

your soul will be banished to hell with hitler, stalin and albie lopez

ROFL

[Sam Hall]

But if we don't have 2.5 mil. asses in the seats, we're not raising payroll. Walmart time, believe it.

Place your wagers in the casino now!

[Demonpenz]

our scouts and drafting has blown. Where is our mauer were is our marnou. I guess we have or nathon. Thats why the twins are winners and we are losers

[Deberg_1990]

It's also because smaller ball parks and they throw harder and lift alot of weight with their legs to give a strong base. Probably more wear and tear on the elbow and the shoulder. Also back in the day you could get away with more garbage pitchers now guys are bigger and stronger and can go opposite way for homeruns. Curveballs sliders have to have max bite on them. One flip side is guys didn't come back from injuries. No tommy john ment your career was ovah. Then there is the million dollar investments

Average ERA's used to be alot lower as well. Today a 4.00 is a good ERA. In the 70's and 80's that wouldnt have been very good. Its all relative...Teams score alot more in todays game.

[Demonpenz]

uh oh mt. Saint Guillen just erupted

[DeezNutz]

Place your wagers in the casino now!

For real though, that comment pissed me off more than anything else I've heard sports wise in this town for a long time. The team is a complete ****ing joke and hasn't even tried to win, and the GM comes out with this crap. This is proof positive that the media in KC is soft. He'd get killed for this in New York. There'd be t-shirts telling him to shove 2.5 mil. fingers up his ass.

[DeezNutz]

our scouts and drafting has blown. Where is our mauer were is our marnou. I guess we have or nathon. Thats why the twins are winners and we are losers

Scouts? Come on, dude. If the team won't pay to get the top talent in the draft, what can you do?

Why aren't more people pissed at the owner?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Man, when you need to break a losing streak like that and need a win you go with your closer PERIOD. Chicken shit worrying about a guy getting hurt just has no place in pro sports IMO. Suck it up and pitch. Of course if it was up to Soria he probably would have been out there.

[Sam Hall]

I follow the minor leagues a little, but does anyone know if Berroa still sucks bad enough to be worse than Pena?

[Demonpenz]

Scouts? Come on, dude. If the team won't pay to get the top talent in the draft, what can you do?

Why aren't more people pissed at the owner?



I am pissed at the owner I am also pissed we have been missing on prospects. I am mad at everyone. Including the owner, but atleast I see us signing atleast some guys. I guess if you pointed out some guys that were passed over in the last 3 years I can be more pissed.

[alnorth]

Place your wagers in the casino now!

ROFL, there's no Goddamn way. The Royals would have to average about 35,500 the rest of the way to pull in 2.5 Million attendance for the year.

A more realistic goal would be 1.6 Million, with a "stretch" goal of 1.75 Million. 2 million if they miraculously came back and made a pennant race out of it.

Now that I think of it, that might be an interesting proposition wager in the Chiefsplanet Sportsbook. "Will the Royals end the regular season with a total home attendance over 1,500,000?" Yes/No.

Where's the mod, it might be interesting to see how that turns out.

[Demonpenz]

Man, when you need to break a losing streak like that and need a win you go with your closer PERIOD. Chicken shit worrying about a guy getting hurt just has no place in pro sports IMO. Suck it up and pitch. Of course if it was up to Soria he probably would have been out there.


i would agree with you but soria maybe the next pedro martinez royals are going to need that horse

[Demonpenz]

I follow the minor leagues a little, but does anyone know if Berroa still sucks bad enough to be worse than Pena?

berrora can't be worse but the casual fans reconize and hate him. That being said Dayton brought pena along in atlanta i think he is going to give him all the chances because it was one of his guys

[Sam Hall]

I am pissed at the owner I am also pissed we have been missing on prospects. I am mad at everyone. Including the owner, but atleast I see us signing atleast some guys. I guess if you pointed out some guys that were passed over in the last 3 years I can be more pissed.

Evan Longoria

[Sam Hall]

ROFL, there's no Goddamn way. The Royals would have to average about 35,500 the rest of the way to pull in 2.5 Million attendance for the year.

A more realistic goal would be 1.6 Million, with a "stretch" goal of 1.75 Million. 2 million if they miraculously came back and made a pennant race out of it.

Now that I think of it, that might be an interesting proposition wager in the Chiefsplanet Sportsbook. "Will the Royals end the regular season with a total home attendance over 1,500,000?" Yes/No.

Where's the mod, it might be interesting to see how that turns out.

Sorry, I should've clarified what I meant. I meant to say place your wagers for the Indians this weekend.

[DeezNutz]

I am pissed at the owner I am also pissed we have been missing on prospects. I am mad at everyone. Including the owner, but atleast I see us signing atleast some guys. I guess if you pointed out some guys that were passed over in the last 3 years I can be more pissed.

Cool. As long as Glass is getting some of your anger, I can rest easy.

Here's something to make you happy: Petro keeps talking about a draft from a couple years ago. I forget the year but I think it was 2000-02, somewhere in there. Anyway, after the first 3 rounds the Royals selected nothing but college seniors. Why? They have no leverage and will be forced to sign at very low rates, talking just a few thousand dollars, not even tens of thousands. That's how Glass has buried this franchise.

"This organization is like a flower you buy when you want to go to the prom. You've got a date and she's got a flower for you, so you're pretty excited. You've put your flower in the backyard for safety, but when you go to get the flower it's buried under 50 feet of shit. Tough way to go to the prom." /Herm/

[Deberg_1990]

berrora can't be worse but the casual fans reconize and hate him. That being said Dayton brought pena along in atlanta i think he is going to give him all the chances because it was one of his guys


Pena is just a stopgap player until that Moustapha kid can be called up in a year or 2.

[DeezNutz]

ROFL, there's no Goddamn way. The Royals would have to average about 35,500 the rest of the way to pull in 2.5 Million attendance for the year.

A more realistic goal would be 1.6 Million, with a "stretch" goal of 1.75 Million. 2 million if they miraculously came back and made a pennant race out of it.

Now that I think of it, that might be an interesting proposition wager in the Chiefsplanet Sportsbook. "Will the Royals end the regular season with a total home attendance over 1,500,000?" Yes/No.

Where's the mod, it might be interesting to see how that turns out.

Well then a 35 mil. payroll next year it is. Don't blame Glass. It's the fans' fault.

[Deberg_1990]

Get over it Royals fans..

We are only in year 23 of a 30 year rebuilding plan. We still have 7 more years to go.

Love David Glass...

[DeezNutz]

Pena is just a stopgap player until that Moustapha kid can be called up in a year or 2.

Doesn't stop-gap describe well over half the roster?

[alnorth]

Well then a 35 mil. payroll next year it is. Don't blame Glass. It's the fans' fault.

Can we at least scale it linearly? If we increase attendance halfway to the goal from our historical average, can we expect to see half the promised payroll increase?

[Demonpenz]

Cool. As long as Glass is getting some of your anger, I can rest easy.

Here's something to make you happy: Petro keeps talking about a draft from a couple years ago. I forget the year but I think it was 2000-02, somewhere in there. Anyway, after the first 3 rounds the Royals selected nothing but college seniors. Why? They have no leverage and will be forced to sign at very low rates, talking just a few thousand dollars, not even tens of thousands. That's how Glass has buried this franchise.

"This organization is like a flower you buy when you want to go to the prom. You've got a date and she's got a flower for you, so you're pretty excited. You've put your flower in the backyard for safety, but when you go to get the flower it's buried under 50 feet of shit. Tough way to go to the prom." /Herm/



That is why I said the people passed over specifaclly because of money in the last 3 years. THe 3 year even when baird was going out it looked like we were getting guys that we normally couldn't get in the draft because I thought shit was going to be different. The last 3 years I have been drinking the coolaid that shit is different. Oh didn't the scouts sort of miss on buck and teahen, or i guess that was the best deal were were going to get. Either Way we just miss on everyone. It's going to look like we missed on guillen because no one around him is doing anything.

[DeezNutz]

Can we at least scale it linearly? If we increase attendance halfway to the goal from our historical average, can we expect to see half the promised payroll increase?

Negative. But season ticket holders will receive a signed thank-you card from Glass and Bud Selig for assuring that the team will never pay above slot value for a draft pick, regardless of potential.

[Demonpenz]

Doesn't stop-gap describe well over half the roster?



stop gap is going to be anyone not named meche, bannister soria, gordon butler.

I thought hilman was going to get thrown out on that one play and I thought to myself that is odd a manager ususally gets thrown out when the crowd is bored, and the team is playing like shit. I am surprised he hasn't got thrown out yet or some one hasn't. Guillen maybe an asshole but someone needs to be a kirk gibson type of ass hole and clean someone or throw at someone every once in awhile. That isn't the main problem with this team though of course. I just hate how we never throw at anyone never get into it with any umpires never do shit. Now whats going to happen is these ****s like gordon and butler are going to get used to losing and say **** it we got paid we are in the majors and I am going to see butler with gold chains in some kind of robe having hot bitches feed him Chocolate covered peanut balls and stop being motivated. Soria is going to cut his arms arms off because it's the only way of saving his soul from the royals. All the while hillman looks off in the distance like robert deniro in Awakenings

[DeezNutz]

That is why I said the people passed over specifaclly because of money in the last 3 years. THe 3 year even when baird was going out it looked like we were getting guys that we normally couldn't get in the draft because I thought shit was going to be different. The last 3 years I have been drinking the coolaid that shit is different. Oh didn't the scouts sort of miss on buck and teahen, or i guess that was the best deal were were going to get. Either Way we just miss on everyone. It's going to look like we missed on guillen because no one around him is doing anything.

My bad. Here's last year, then. Porcello. Regarded by all "experts" as the second-best guy. Wanted lots of cash. Two years ago, very likely Andrew Miller, by most accounts the top prospect in the draft.

I know there were knocks against both of these guys, but the fact remains they both wanted lots of cash and the Royals didn't take them. If it looks like a duck...

[Demonpenz]

Gordon is going to end up sucking dick Manny Rameriez dick for coke

[Demonpenz]

My bad. Here's last year, then. Porcello. Regarding by all "experts" as the second-best guy. Wanted lots of cash. Two years ago, very likely Andrew Miller.

I know there were knocks against both of these guys, but the fact remains they both wanted lots of cash and the Royals didn't take them. If it looks like a duck...

miller hasn't lit it up. but i hear it

[Demonpenz]

Grienke is going to get heavy into herion after tonights game with gathright and they will have to cut off his arm jerrod leto style in requiem for a dream

[DeezNutz]

miller hasn't lit it up. but i hear it

True. But they were able to use him to get Cabrera. I would have traded Hochevar for him yesterday.

[Demonpenz]

True. But they were able to use him to get Cabrera. I would have traded Hochevar for him yesterday.

I like hochevar at the time better. Now i think hochevar is a solid like number 3 or whatever. At the time I liked hochevar better I am just going to bitch about the scouts and coaching tonight because we know talent especially in the majors can come from anywhere santana and Mexican Abe lincoln were both rule 5 drive picks. Pujols and piazza were later pics. Can't we just hit on one or two of these people in the last 5 or 6 years. I understand that we didn't hit on the top guys maybe about money but those aren't the only two who are allowed to be stars.

[Demonpenz]

Pinch hit cock high fastball clutch home ****ing run. **** me

[DeezNutz]

I like hochevar at the time better. Now i think hochevar is a solid like number 3 or whatever. At the time I liked hochevar better I am just going to bitch about the scouts and coaching tonight because we know talent especially in the majors can come from anywhere santana and Mexican Abe lincoln were both rule 5 drive picks. Pujols and piazza were later pics. Can't we just hit on one or two of these people in the last 5 or 6 years. I understand that we didn't hit on the top guys maybe about money but those aren't the only two who are allowed to be stars.

I hear you, bro.

[Demonpenz]

Yeah I don't like digging to much into the royals. I gave up them In college because I rathered get ****ed up and do school work. Then I started paying attention when it seemed like 810 was making them accountable and giving me easy information. I don't remeber the royals 1999-2002 much other than they mashed. Then I gave up when they had mienkavitch or whatever batting 3rd. 3rd on a major league club that was a low point. From there we say sweeney and fat albert harvey get hit by line drivers in the back. Sweeney always hurt. People blow out arms, Juan Gonzo. I don't like diving too far in the royals it reminds me of opening up a person that you may think have cancer just of like something that can be fixed through chemo only to find it spread too far and the body is totally ****ed

[Demonpenz]

anyone listening to 610? Evendently Mornau's homerun just landed

[BWillie]

How come small market teams like Florida, Tampa Bay, and the D-backs are finding a way to win and we have sucked since the 1980's? You'd think we could just throw a dart at guys in the draft and bring them up through the minors and be more successful than we have been. For god sakes ARod makes more than the entire Marlins roster....literally.

[Demonpenz]

Tampa bay has been worse than us. Florida builds up a team then blows it up sucks drafts for 3 years and blows it up.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

that was the shittiest game i have ever watched.

[teedubya]

10!



Brilliant!

IMO the no-hitter sent this team in the shitter. That was GAME ONE of a long game road trip. This loss just blows monkey ass.

But, Im not going to write them off. Ill still go to a couple games this year.