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Donger
06-17-2008, 01:07 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080616/ap_on_sc/phoenix_mars;_ylt=AqMITLkk5ThJEXVDOQuO3d.s0NUE

LOS ANGELES - Is the white stuff in the Martian soil ice or salt? That's the question bedeviling scientists in the three weeks since the Phoenix lander began digging into Mars' north pole region to study whether the arctic could be habitable.

Shallow trenches excavated by the lander's backhoe-like robotic arm have turned up specks and at times even stripes of mysterious white material mixed in with the clumpy, reddish dirt.

Phoenix merged two previously dug trenches over the weekend into a single pit measuring a little over a foot long and 3 inches deep. The new trench was excavated at the edge of a polygon-shaped pattern in the ground that may have been formed by the seasonal melting of underground ice.

New photos showed the exposed bright substance present only in the top part of the trench, suggesting it's not uniform throughout the excavation site. Phoenix will take images of the trench dubbed "Dodo-Goldilocks" over the next few days to record any changes. If it's ice, scientists expect it to sublimate — or go from solid to gas, bypassing the liquid stage — when exposed to the sun because of the planet's frigid temperatures and low atmospheric pressure.

"We think it's ice. But again, until we can see it disappear ... we're not guaranteed yet," mission scientist Ray Arvidson of Washington University in St. Louis said Monday.

Even if it's not ice, the discovery of salt would also be significant because it's normally formed when water evaporates in the soil.

Preliminary results from a bake-and-sniff experiment at low temperatures failed to turn up any trace of water or ice in the scoopful of soil that was delivered to the lander's test oven last week. Scientists planned to heat the soil again this week to up to 1,800 degrees, said William Boynton of the University of Arizona in Tucson.

Phoenix landed in the Martian arctic plains on May 25 on a three-month, $420 million mission to study whether the polar environment could be favorable for primitive life to emerge. The lander's main job is to dig into an ice layer believed to exist a few inches from the surface.

The project is led by the University of Arizona and managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. The lander was built by Lockheed Martin Corp.

Donger
06-17-2008, 01:08 PM
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FAX
06-17-2008, 01:11 PM
Leave it to NASA to not be able to tell the difference.

No wonder they've set the record in blowing up 4 billion dollars in a single boom.

FAX

Hoover
06-17-2008, 01:12 PM
Its marshmallow, we just figured out that its actually just a huge glob of rocky road ice cream.

chasedude
06-17-2008, 01:43 PM
Does this lander have a gas chromatograph onboard?

Nevermind, answered my own question with a wiki search

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_lander#Thermal_and_evolved_gas_analyzer

Donger
06-17-2008, 01:44 PM
Does this lander have a gas chromatograph onboard?

A mass spectrometer.

FAX
06-17-2008, 01:45 PM
Does this lander have a gas chromatograph onboard?

They probably forgot to gas it up.

FAX

Simply Red
06-17-2008, 02:33 PM
A mass spectrometer.

Wow, what is that?

FAX
06-17-2008, 02:34 PM
Wow, what is that?

Something NASA came up with that doesn't tell the difference between salt and ice.

FAX

Simply Red
06-17-2008, 02:35 PM
Something NASA came up with that doesn't tell the difference between salt and ice.

FAX

So how is it beneficial?

Brock
06-17-2008, 02:35 PM
I look forward to martian homemade ice cream.

Donger
06-17-2008, 02:43 PM
Something NASA came up with that doesn't tell the difference between salt and ice.

FAX

Patience, Mr. Fax.

Donger
06-17-2008, 02:43 PM
I look forward to martian homemade ice cream.

Martian Margarita?

CrazyPhuD
06-17-2008, 02:49 PM
It's neither, they landed in an ancient martian pet burial ground and the white stuff is the cremated remains of three eye'd fido.

Simply Red
06-17-2008, 02:59 PM
Martian Margarita?

When are they thinking about doing this/these?

FAX
06-17-2008, 03:00 PM
By the way, why is NASA sitting around trying to figure out the difference between salt and ice when they could be investigating those crazy tubes?

FAX

StcChief
06-17-2008, 03:03 PM
Is the white stuff in the Martian soil ice or salt? it could be crack cocaine? who knows what Martians are/were doing

Simply Red
06-17-2008, 03:07 PM
again, so how is this beneficial?

Radar Chief
06-17-2008, 03:07 PM
it could be crack cocaine? who knows what Martians are/were doing

See, that was my first thought. White flaky substance? Someone keep track of Michael Irvin.

Donger
06-17-2008, 03:11 PM
When are they thinking about doing this/these?

Doing what? Examining Mar's soil/ice?

FAX
06-17-2008, 03:18 PM
See, that was my first thought. White flaky substance? Someone keep track of Michael Irvin.

Or, maybe it's that goal line chalk we've been looking for.

FAX

Zebedee DuBois
06-17-2008, 03:52 PM
See...they've dug through the graham cracker exterior exposing the top of the marshmallow layer. I am sure if they dig a little deeper they will strike chocolate. The planet's name has evidently been corrupted over time from the original: Smares, named for the ancient greek god of campfire munchies.

stlchiefs
06-17-2008, 03:54 PM
See...they've dug through the graham "The Man" exterior exposing the top of the marshmallow layer. I am sure if they dig a little deeper they will strike chocolate. The planet's name has evidently been corrupted over time from the original: Smares, named for the ancient greek god of campfire munchies.

No, it's all a big publicity stunt put on by the Mars Candy Co. LMAO You idiots thought there were other planets. ROFL

Zebedee DuBois
06-17-2008, 03:58 PM
What the......when did c-racker end up being "The Man" ??? that ruined my story.