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BigRedChief
06-20-2008, 02:17 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3450260

Jared Allen can't turn away.

The highest-paid defensive player in NFL history is sitting on the plush sectional sofa in his spacious off-season home in Scottsdale, Ariz., eyes fixed on his 50-inch flat screen. Allen has seen Deliverance enough times to know that Ned Beatty is about to be sodomized by a lanky hillbilly. Yet he still frowns in disgust, as if he were watching the movie for the first time. "Why doesn't he fight back?" Allen says. "I'd at least try to punch the guy a couple of times."

For the 6'6", 270-pound Allen—the Vikings' new QB-hounding defensive end—the instinct to fight back is as natural as breathing. His own life is proof of that. Two years ago he might have been sprawled across this same couch nursing a nasty hangover after yet another all-nighter. Today, all the 26-year-old Allen cares about is where he'll eat lunch after his morning workout and why Beatty is squealing like a pig.

Allen's transformation from hard-partying upstart to sober Pro Bowler has been grueling. He's dealt with, variously: two DUI arrests in Kansas; a four-game suspension for violating the NFL's alcohol and substance-abuse policy (which commissioner Roger Goodell reduced to two games); a yearlong cold war with his former boss, Chiefs GM Carl Peterson; and the scrutiny from skeptics who doubted the inveterate barfly could give up drinking for as long as he has, a stretch going on 20 months.

Even now, Allen understands the assaults he might face as he starts his career in Minnesota. His six-year, $73 million contract inflates expectations. He has to adjust to new teammates and a new city. Then there's the really hard part: working in an environment in which the pressure to drink—for overwhelmed rookies and grounded vets—is relentless. "Alcohol is everywhere," Allen says of life in the NFL. "It's on the team plane, at off-season golf tournaments. And it's something that I like to do." It's also a culture he feels powerless to change.
"Before I got in trouble," Allen says, "playing in the NFL was like one long spring break."

His story is nothing new. The image of the party-animal jock guzzling cold ones after a big game has been around as long as football itself. (See North Dallas Forty, Semi-Tough, Any Given Sunday…) There are people who still snicker about Joe Namath's drinking habits or the fact that former Packers receiver Max McGee caught two touchdown passes in Super Bowl I with a hangover. Says former Chiefs tackle Kyle Turley, Allen's teammate the past two seasons: "As long as you're not getting arrested, you can be an alcoholic in this league and somebody will give you a job."

"IN A WORLD WHERE EVERYBODY PARTIES, I'M JUST THE SOBER GUY NOW."

This summer hundreds of rookies will report to their first training camp. Long before they master their playbooks, they'll learn how the NFL's drinking scene works. They can go out with the vets, pound a few, meet some girls and feel like they're bonding with their new teammates. Or they can stay home and risk alienating themselves from their hoped-for brethren. Says Packers linebacker Nick Barnett: "I've seen young guys who went out drinking just because they wanted to fit in."

Hardly shocking—these are, after all, young men who are just out of college—but the party gets only wilder when the season begins. The drinking crowd on an NFL team will hit the town almost any night of the week, but typically they go longest and hardest on Thursdays and Fridays. After games on Sundays, you'll also find players knocking back beers in the stadium parking lot before they head out to the bars and clubs. "You want to live the rock star life," says Dolphins linebacker Boomer Grigsby, who was Allen's closest teammate and drinking buddy for three years in KC.

Once a player embraces that fast-living lifestyle, it's hard to escape it. After arriving in January 2006, Chiefs coach Herm Edwards banned alcohol at team functions. But Grigsby still wound up downing shots of whiskey after every hole of Edwards' charity golf tournament that summer. Grigsby, it turned out, had been teamed with four local businessmen who were eager to drink with one of the team's biggest-known partyers.
Even if a player isn't interested in a good time, it's hard to avoid. While celebrating his birthday at a Scottsdale bar in April, Allen passed on a stranger's offer of free drinks. The man laughed and insisted on buying a round anyway. "In one night, you might have 15 people buy you a drink," Grigsby says. "Some don't even offer. They just drop it off at your table. You have to develop a lot of discipline."

And if you don't, the consequences can be severe. The case of Rams defensive end Leonard Little, who killed Susan Gutweiler in a drunken-driving accident on Oct. 19, 1998, still resonates in NFL locker rooms. Little plead guilty to involuntary manslaughter and served 90 days in a workhouse. "Leonard is a perfect example of how much pressure there is on players to go out," says Turley, who played with Little from 2003 to '04. "Some veterans took him drinking for his birthday when he was a rookie, then he drove home drunk and killed somebody. Leonard is a great guy, but he'll live with that for the rest of his life."

The NFL starts educating rookies on the dangers of alcohol at its annual summer symposium. The league also offers free transportation for players to use while out in any NFL city during the season. "Among our players, a smaller percentage drink compared with other people in their age group," says Adolpho Birch, who oversees the league's alcohol and substance abuse policy. "But we're like any industry. You have people who come to their first employer with some college habits, then they see what things are acceptable and they mature. The only thing unique about the NFL is the media attention."

But while it's true that many NFL players drink responsibly, few are willing to take responsibility for their teammates. In locker rooms, it's live and let live. Just ask ex-cornerback James Hasty. He was heading to Raiders practice one day in 2001 when he passed what looked like a bum sleeping on a bench outside the facility. Hasty didn't understand why security hadn't chased the guy away until later at practice. The bum, it turned out, was one of his teammates. "He'd been out all night partying," Hasty says. "But I wasn't going to tell him how to handle his business. That stuff is taboo."

As a rookie in 2004, Allen was strictly a bar guy. No trendy clubs or swanky lounges for the fourth-round pick out of Idaho State. He was so conscious of being an Everyman he told fellow drinkers he worked for Sprint, whose headquarters are in suburban Kansas City. "I wanted to be the same blue-collar guy I was in college," Allen says.

His anonymity didn't last long. The Friday night before his sixth game, at home against Atlanta, Allen went out partying with his teammates. That Sunday, he had the first two-sack game of his career. Afterward, Allen says, the vets told him Friday night boozing "was my ritual from now on."
Over the next few months, Allen emerged as an unlikely star, finishing the season with nine sacks, one shy of Derrick Thomas' team rookie record. Recognition followed, as did a rep. "I was single, and wanted to meet chicks," Allen says. "Where do you go for that? The bars. I eventually became known for being the crazy party guy. And I started believing that image."

Allen didn't see any need to control himself, and neither did his teammates or coaches, especially after his team-high 11 sacks in his second season. Even when police arrested him on May 11, 2006, for speeding and driving under the influence of alcohol, no one seemed to care. The incident didn't make the papers, and the penalty (he had to attend a diversion program) wasn't that harsh. "It was like everything was swept under the rug," Allen says.

Nearly five months later, on Sept. 26, Allen was arrested for another DUI. This one drew attention. Allen spent 48 hours in jail. And as a repeat offender under Kansas state law, he had to enter a six-week alcohol-abuse program and give up his license for a year. The NFL handed him a four-game suspension too, which was halved by Goodell after appeal. "I'm so hardheaded I probably needed to get arrested to fix my problems," Allen says.

Many players say they drink together because football is the ultimate fellowship sport. But they also say your issues are your business—and you take care of them alone. So when Allen returned to the team after his second DUI, there were no heart- to-hearts. He apologized to Edwards and Peterson, and a few teammates offered to drive him to treatment. But, says Grigsby, "players aren't talking about their problems. It doesn't work that way."

Three days a week, Allen went to a facility outside Kansas City after practice. There, he sat in a metal folding chair next to 10 other patients and listened. "There were days I was absolutely blown away," he says. By the time his six weeks were done, in November, Allen realized that most of his issues revolved around his belief that he had to live as recklessly as he played the game. "The difference between being good and great is so thin that you have to be willing to walk the line of failure," Allen says. "That was my edge on the field. I thought I had to walk that line away from it."
Allen vanished from the nightlife the day he entered treatment. When he finally did go out again, to attend a party with Tony Gonzalez that December, he clutched a bottle of water all night. He didn't want anyone thinking he had relapsed.

By summer 2007, Allen had dropped 20 pounds, from 280 to 260, and reported to Chiefs camp in the best shape of his life. Even after serving his two-game suspension to start the season, he led the NFL with 15.5 sacks and earned his first Pro Bowl trip. Allen was hopeful the Chiefs would sign him to a long-term deal, but contract talks broke down during the season. While neither Carl Peterson nor Herm Edwards would comment for this story, Allen is convinced his past was the reason why. "I told the team I would deal with my problem, and I did," he says, "but they used it against me."

Allen's new team knows all about rehabbing reputations. The Vikings still haven't lived down their Love Boat sex scandal from 2005. After that fiasco, owner Zygi Wilf wrote a 77-page manual on team conduct. Now, Wilf's post-Love Boat coach, Brad Childress, visits the bars his players do and stays in close contact with the police. "I want to make sure our players act right," Childress says. He isn't deluded. Childress will be the first to tell you there's a limit to what he can control. But he's convinced he doesn't have to worry about Allen.

In April, before Minnesota gave the Chiefs a first-rounder and two third-round picks in the 2008 draft for Allen, Childress grilled his potential player. "Anybody can be who they want to be in a 48-hour interview," Childress says. "But I could feel the changes he made coming through."
Truth be told, part of what keeps Allen sober is a burning desire to prove skeptics wrong. "I wanted to show people I could man up," he says. "I've been rewarded for that, and I don't want to jeopardize that now." But he also says counseling has rewired his outlook. "People ask if I became a better player because I stopped drinking. Well, I always felt like a pretty good player, but not drinking was part of my growth as a man."

Allen reported to Vikings camp on June 6. It was no big deal, really. He made his introductions, did a little on-field stretching, created a small stir by telling reporters that he expected the team to go to the Super Bowl. No teammates asked about his DUIs, and he didn't explain. "Everybody here has a story or has gone through something in life," he says. "I have nothing to prove."

Amazingly, Allen can instantly tell if a younger player is headed for trouble just by crossing his path. But he's not about to play team counselor. In his mind, his job is to stay out of trouble, keep bringing down QBs, make the Pro Bowl again—end of story. Because as much as he's been through, the lure of the drinking scene is more powerful than any warnings he could offer. And though he's changed, the mentality inside locker rooms probably never will. "I don't discourage drinking," he says. "You can go out and have fun. You just can't get caught up in that life."

But Allen is at least showing how to maintain the edge without booze. When he traveled through New Zealand in February with his girlfriend, he jumped off cliffs and raced down rivers in a raft. At the Pro Bowl, he dropped into the Pacific Ocean in a 6' x4' cage to marvel at sharks up close and personal. And at a wedding reception in Vegas last year, guests watched Grigsby and Allen engage in an over-the-top dance competition. They tossed the groom around in a long tablecloth and swayed and swiveled on tabletops. Most people in the room probably thought Allen was drunk, but he was just being the same fun-loving guy he's always been.

"In a world where everybody parties," Allen says, "I'm just the sober guy now."

blueballs
06-20-2008, 02:23 PM
he's a Vike now
piss on the drunken fool

OnTheWarpath15
06-20-2008, 02:37 PM
While neither Carl Peterson nor Herm Edwards would comment for this story, Allen is convinced his past was the reason why. "I told the team I would deal with my problem, and I did," he says, "but they used it against me."

Yeah, Jared. Fifth time's the charm.

:rolleyes:

Chiefnj2
06-20-2008, 02:37 PM
"The league also offers free transportation for players to use while out in any NFL city during the season. "

Interesting tidbit.

chasedude
06-20-2008, 02:44 PM
"The league also offers free transportation for players to use while out in any NFL city during the season. "

Interesting tidbit.

All those NFL players must have been passed out from the night before when they mentioned that one.

Redrum_69
06-20-2008, 02:44 PM
When did Clayaken aka Claythan start writing for espn?

that or this writer is a contributor to WPI...

too many paragraphs holy shit

Brock
06-20-2008, 02:48 PM
Amazingly, Allen can instantly tell if a younger player is headed for trouble just by crossing his path. But he's not about to play team counselor. In his mind, his job is to stay out of trouble, keep bringing down QBs, make the Pro Bowl again—end of story.

That's a great leader right there.

Taco John
06-20-2008, 02:49 PM
Why do people watch Deliverance? I know just enough about that movie to surmise that it's really not for me.

Is there some sort of "Other than the gay anal raping, it's a really good show" quality to it or something?

Brock
06-20-2008, 02:50 PM
Why do people watch Deliverance? I know just enough about that movie to surmise that it's really not for me.

Is there some sort of "Other than the gay anal raping, it's a really good show" quality to it or something?

It's a pretty good movie, aside from a couple of sort of uncomfortable moments.

RustShack
06-20-2008, 02:51 PM
Whats this have to do with the Chiefs?

Deberg_1990
06-20-2008, 02:59 PM
The Vikings knob slobbing has already begun. Dr. Z just picked them for the Super Bowl.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/dr_z/06/20/vikings/index.html?eref=T1

Here is his snippet about Allen:

"It's almost a miracle to get a guy like that in a trade. Sack specialists are like diamonds, and Allen's a young one -- only 26 years old! And he's not one of those wild-angle loopers who leaves a couple of acres inside for the runners. He's a technician who honors the down home of the game"

WTF?? Has Dr. Z ever watched a Chiefs game?? Its been widely known for awhile now, that you can run at Jared Allen.

Baby Lee
06-20-2008, 03:03 PM
Why do people watch Deliverance? I know just enough about that movie to surmise that it's really not for me.

Is there some sort of "Other than the gay anal raping, it's a really good show" quality to it or something?

It has a lot going for it in terms of realistic protrayals, good performances, and subtext.

It's about overconfidence and the peril of taking dangers lightly, and the tense troubles that can get you into. They're city guys who think they're able, going on a lark into a wilderness that soon to be submerged when a dam is completed. When they run into the hillbillys that denote their endangerment, they're reminded that when accountability [civilization] is not there to back them up, it's survival of the fittest.

Then, when they do survive, there's the added tension of navigating the outskirts of civilization back to their lives without being held accountable for what they did to survive [purposely circumspect in my language, here].

It's not the greatest or deepest movie in all of human history, but there's a lot visually, plotwise, and symbolically to recommend it.

For a good analogous tale, my I recommend 'Straw Dogs' as well.

OnTheWarpath15
06-20-2008, 03:15 PM
The Vikings knob slobbing has already begun. Dr. Z just picked them for the Super Bowl.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/dr_z/06/20/vikings/index.html?eref=T1

Here is his snippet about Allen:

"It's almost a miracle to get a guy like that in a trade. Sack specialists are like diamonds, and Allen's a young one -- only 26 years old! And he's not one of those wild-angle loopers who leaves a couple of acres inside for the runners. He's a technician who honors the down home of the game"

WTF?? Has Dr. Z ever watched a Chiefs game?? Its been widely known for awhile now, that you can run at Jared Allen.

That't ****ing hilarious.

While the Vikings have a great defense on paper, they have jack shit on offense, save AP.

They should have spent that $72M on a QB...

ModSocks
06-20-2008, 03:23 PM
Why is it that Jared never got press like this when he was a Chief? I think i've seen more Jared articles in the last month than i have ever seen when he was a Chief.

FAX
06-20-2008, 03:29 PM
Took the keys right out of my fingers, Mr. Dr. Jesus.

FAX

blueballs
06-20-2008, 04:14 PM
allen will be the posterchild for those
with Carl Peterson hard ons

dj56dt58
06-20-2008, 05:59 PM
The Vikings knob slobbing has already begun. Dr. Z just picked them for the Super Bowl.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/dr_z/06/20/vikings/index.html?eref=T1

Here is his snippet about Allen:

"It's almost a miracle to get a guy like that in a trade. Sack specialists are like diamonds, and Allen's a young one -- only 26 years old! And he's not one of those wild-angle loopers who leaves a couple of acres inside for the runners. He's a technician who honors the down home of the game"

WTF?? Has Dr. Z ever watched a Chiefs game?? Its been widely known for awhile now, that you can run at Jared Allen.

yet, he was a chief, everyone on here insisted Allen is good against the run

Brock
06-20-2008, 06:10 PM
Jared Allen was and is good against the run. It's a shame he is such a selfish asshole.

Skyy God
06-20-2008, 06:20 PM
What's JA doing with a 50 flatscreen? Dude can at least afford a 58, even on his old salary.

Mecca
06-20-2008, 06:42 PM
Why is it that Jared never got press like this when he was a Chief? I think i've seen more Jared articles in the last month than i have ever seen when he was a Chief.

Because that team is considered a "contender" while for the most part we haven't been.

Hammock Parties
06-20-2008, 06:44 PM
When did Clayaken aka Claythan start writing for espn?

that or this writer is a contributor to WPI...

too many paragraphs holy shit

You are truly a dumbshit who knows nothing about sportswriting.

Smed1065
06-20-2008, 07:06 PM
You are truly a dumbshit who knows nothing about sportswriting.

Takes one to know one, I guess.

LMAO

kcxiv
06-20-2008, 07:12 PM
Whats this have to do with the Chiefs?
So many topics in here that dont even relate to the Chiefs. You have 1 outta 50 topics thats chiefs related.

kcxiv
06-20-2008, 07:14 PM
Why is it that Jared never got press like this when he was a Chief? I think i've seen more Jared articles in the last month than i have ever seen when he was a Chief.

Chiefs=pretenders Vikings=Contenders


They have a pretty damned good defense with a decent offense. Not sold on their QB, but as long as Peterson stays healthy. They are going to be in it until week 16 i beleive.

ChieflySpeaking
06-20-2008, 08:29 PM
yet, he was a chief, everyone on here insisted Allen is good against the run

Chiefaroo didn't.

Deberg_1990
06-20-2008, 08:49 PM
Because that team is considered a "contender" while for the most part we haven't been.


I like how everyone conviently ignores how much national coverage the Chiefs used to get back in the 90's and in 2003.

Bottom line is, if your team is good, the press will take notice. If you suck, your not going to get national coverage.

Mecca
06-20-2008, 09:01 PM
I like how everyone conviently ignores how much national coverage the Chiefs used to get back in the 90's and in 2003.

Bottom line is, if your team is good, the press will take notice. If you suck, your not going to get national coverage.

I know, they have 0 reason to cover bad teams unless that team has a major story player like a Moss or Owens or it's the Cowboys because of their giant fanbase.

Nightfyre
06-20-2008, 11:48 PM
I hope Albert repeatedly pancakes his ass in the scrimmage.

Rausch
06-20-2008, 11:50 PM
I hope he does well there. I know I'm supposed to hate him now because he's not a Chief but I don't. I like the guy.

keg in kc
06-20-2008, 11:56 PM
Allen was perceived as good against the run primarily because he played most of the time on the right side, which had him going against the weak side of the offensive formation. He was generally not working against a tackle with tight end help, as opposed to the left end (Hali last year...). Teams didn't run at him all that often, in other words, and when they did, he was often 1 on 1 with a tackle. Most often, he just broke down the line and tried to make plays from the backside (which is, consequently, one of the reasons we've been so weak against misdirection and bootleg play action, all our ends are overagressive in this way, I think they're coached to do it).

I have a feeling we're going to think a lot more of Hali now that he's playing on the weak side. We'll see. The first step for him will be staying healthy.

the Talking Can
06-20-2008, 11:59 PM
not drinking just to prove people wrong will work for only so long....

i am convinced we have not seen the last incident from allen....

Nightfyre
06-21-2008, 12:03 AM
I have a feeling we're going to think a lot more of Hali now that he's playing on the weak side. We'll see. The first step for him will be staying healthy.

I agree 110%. Hali is way underrated.

FAX
06-21-2008, 12:55 AM
not drinking just to prove people wrong will work for only so long....

i am convinced we have not seen the last incident from allen....

I agree. He's a relapse in waiting.

Also, on the subject of Hali ... I think it all depends on his health and how quickly he can get off the ball as he works from the right side. Also, Gun and Herm need to stay out of his head. He reminds me of a guy we once had who was constantly getting caught in that no-man's-land between defending the pass and the run and the bootleg and, ultimately, watched a lot of plays go right past him. Allen was successful with his pass rush because he played the quarterback first and used his hustle to follow the play when he found himself fooled.

FAX

Smed1065
06-21-2008, 12:58 AM
I bet we have.

Hammock Parties
06-21-2008, 01:17 AM
After arriving in January 2006, Chiefs coach Herm Edwards banned alcohol at team functions.One part of me really likes this, and wants to praise Herm's no-nonsense attitude.

The other part wonders if he's imposing his conservative values on the franchise at too extreme a level.

Bob Dole
06-21-2008, 01:39 AM
not drinking just to prove people wrong will work for only so long....

i am convinced we have not seen the last incident from allen....

Bob Dole isn't believing for a minute that Allen has been sober for 20 months.

OnTheWarpath15
06-21-2008, 06:16 AM
Bob Dole isn't believing for a minute that Allen has been sober for 20 months.

I'm with Bob Dole on this one.

StcChief
06-21-2008, 08:54 AM
If Jared is sober or not, he's a great example to his teammates and NFL. Hope he stays on track and becomes a repeat Pro Bowler just to piss Carl off.

DeezNutz
06-21-2008, 09:42 AM
Bob Dole isn't believing for a minute that Allen has been sober for 20 months.

Bob Dole is so wrong on this. That's why Allen spent considerable time across the pond, to prove his sobriety to the world, to bulls even.

J Diddy
06-21-2008, 11:59 AM
If Jared is sober or not, he's a great example to his teammates and NFL. Hope he stays on track and becomes a repeat Pro Bowler just to piss Carl off.
yep carl should be angry that some team made his 4th round pick who's only been in 1 probowl who had 2 strikes against him in the substance abuse program the highest paid defensive player ever

Carl should be pissed

the Talking Can
06-21-2008, 12:54 PM
Bob Dole is so wrong on this. That's why Allen spent considerable time across the pond, to prove his sobriety to the world, to bulls even.

yup, Allen has clearly found inner peace and no longer needs the thrill that alcohol used to provide.....errr.........

Valiant
06-21-2008, 01:51 PM
yet, he was a chief, everyone on here insisted Allen is good against the run

No, some of us did not..

Valiant
06-21-2008, 01:53 PM
Chiefs=pretenders Vikings=Contenders


They have a pretty damned good defense with a decent offense. Not sold on their QB, but as long as Peterson stays healthy. They are going to be in it until week 16 i beleive.

Peterson is their only offense, Taylor is great also but does not strike fear into anybody.. If he gets hurt they are ****ed..

Honestly just stack 8-9 at the line and force them to pass to be good.. that worked good against another team with a great back..

Hammock Parties
06-21-2008, 02:01 PM
The Vikings did sign Bernard Berrian.

beach tribe
06-21-2008, 02:15 PM
Why is it that Jared never got press like this when he was a Chief? I think i've seen more Jared articles in the last month than i have ever seen when he was a Chief.

Because the Vikes are a QB away from the SB IMO, and JA will probably get 18 sacks next to those two fat pigs.

J Diddy
06-21-2008, 02:24 PM
Because the Vikes are a QB away from the SB IMO, and JA will probably get 18 sacks next to those two fat pigs.


yep

he will get 2 in the first quarter of every game, none the rest

beach tribe
06-21-2008, 03:00 PM
yep

he will get 2 in the first quarter of every game, none the rest

Probably

alanm
06-21-2008, 03:01 PM
not drinking just to prove people wrong will work for only so long....

i am convinced we have not seen the last incident from allen....
I'm not convinced that Jared is a alcoholic. And I think Jared truly believes he isn't one either.
But his judgement flies out the window under the influence and he's smart enough to realize that his drinking is jeopardizing his livelihood.

Brock
06-21-2008, 03:02 PM
I'm not convinced that Jared is a alcoholic. And I think Jared truly believes he isn't one either.
But his judgement flies out the window under the influence and he's smart enough to realize that his drinking is jeopardizing his livelihood.

When did he get smart enough to realize that?

rtmike
06-21-2008, 03:13 PM
While the Vikings have a great defense on paper, they have jack shit on offense, save AP.

They should have spent that $72M on a QB...

Sounds amazingly familiar.


When is one of these reporters gonna ask JA if he's working on (physically & mentally)getting to the QB in the 4th quarter, why he seems to disappear in the second half?

I liked the guy, he just seemed like he started out like gang busters then petered out.

alanm
06-21-2008, 03:15 PM
When did he get smart enough to realize that?
Probably the day before his 2 game suspension started. :p

Deberg_1990
06-21-2008, 03:19 PM
When is one of these reporters gonna ask JA if he's working on (physically & mentally)getting to the QB in the 4th quarter, why he seems to disappear in the second half?



I honestly dont think alot of them have seen his games since he played for bad Chiefs teams the past few years.

The thing i quoted from Dr. Z i think proves this.

OnTheWarpath15
06-22-2008, 11:15 AM
The Vikings did sign Bernard Berrian.

ROFL

Bernard Berrian.

The guy is an average WR at best in this league.

It wouldn't matter if the Vikings had Jerry Rice, Steve Largent and Lynn Swann in their ****ing prime - they have NO ONE to get them the ball.

Minnesota is getting the same kind of hype that the Dolphins received a few years ago - SI picked them to play in the SB against Carolina - neither team even made the playoffs.

The Vikes are a lot more than just a Jared Allen away from even getting to a Championship game, much less the SB.

Midnight_Vulture
06-22-2008, 11:21 AM
AWESOME ROLE MODELS!!!!

Baby Lee
06-23-2008, 08:05 AM
It has a lot going for it in terms of realistic protrayals, good performances, and subtext.

It's about overconfidence and the peril of taking dangers lightly, and the tense troubles that can get you into. They're city guys who think they're able, going on a lark into a wilderness that soon to be submerged when a dam is completed. When they run into the hillbillys that denote their endangerment, they're reminded that when accountability [civilization] is not there to back them up, it's survival of the fittest.

Then, when they do survive, there's the added tension of navigating the outskirts of civilization back to their lives without being held accountable for what they did to survive [purposely circumspect in my language, here].

It's not the greatest or deepest movie in all of human history, but there's a lot visually, plotwise, and symbolically to recommend it.

For a good analogous tale, my I recommend 'Straw Dogs' as well.

In fairness to ol' Ned

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the Talking Can
06-23-2008, 09:18 AM
I'm not convinced that Jared is a alcoholic. And I think Jared truly believes he isn't one either.
But his judgement flies out the window under the influence and he's smart enough to realize that his drinking is jeopardizing his livelihood.

4 DUIs = alcoholic