My Review: WallE & Wanted

[irishjayhawk]

WALL E

Walle was pretty damn good. Actually, I think it's Pixar's best so far. It has very little dialogue (more than I thought there'd be) but the animation is captivating and conveys everything better than dialogue. The message(s) of the film are pretty overt. It's hard to miss them. I do think that they're dead on, but that's another discussion.

Graphically, the animation is just stunning. Details are amazing. And the best part is how WALLE interacts with different things - just like the clips you may have seen around the internet. When you think about a 3rd person who isn't human stumbling upon some of the stuff we've come up with, it's pretty funny.

The one thing that surprised me about WALLE is how much it is a couples movie. It's a film that you really should bring your significant other to.

Essentially, the film is worth every penny. It's uplifting and heartfelt. And that's why it's sitting at 97%. Pixar - still - has yet to miss. And this one may have outdone all the rest. See it digitally. I saw it on film, but a computer animated film is probably best on a digital medium.


WANTED

My gut feeling coming out of Wanted was "I didn't hate it." That's usually a good thing, but the ride home I kept thinking about it. And it really sunk in my view. If you take Smoking Aces, Equilibrium and the Matrix together with a comic book story, this is the movie that gets you. Also, for the sake of things, add in outrageously out of place stunts and CGI from Live Free Die Hard. If you have seen all of those movies, chances are you've seen 3/4s of this - cinematic wise.

Story wise, the movie was pretty good. The ending left LOTS to be desired, but in all, the story was pretty unique. It just happens to be the CGI and stunts that killed it. Much like Live Free Die Hard.

I wanted to like it because it was entertaining; more so than LFDH. I wanted to like it because it felt like a comic book and I was able, at points, to accept the unrealism within the realism. And there was some good humor in it. Things you rooted for. But, in the end, it wasn't something I could root for overall.

(I'm all for unrealism when the film purports to be UNREAL. For example, the Matrix told us how they got away with stuff. Here, they tell you the backstory but it's all rooted in reality. There is no alternate route. You have to accept the unrealism in the reality. It's why Batman Begins - and soon to be Dark Knight - is so good. It feels authentic. There aren't many CGI shots. And when they're used, it's for the better of the film, not moving the film along. Children of Men was the same way. And Indiana Jones (before the 4th) was heralded for its realism and stunts. Give me a way out of reality and I'll accept the unrealistic shit you throw at me. Claim to be IN reality and I don't buy a second of it.)

Overall, see WALLE and wait a few weeks to use free passes for WANTED. Or just rent it.

[007]

Where does one obtain these said free passes? I would certainly go to more movies with those.

[mcan]

WALL E

Walle was pretty damn good. Actually, I think it's Pixar's best so far. It has very little dialogue (more than I thought there'd be) but the animation is captivating and conveys everything better than dialogue. The message(s) of the film are pretty overt. It's hard to miss them. I do think that they're dead on, but that's another discussion.

Graphically, the animation is just stunning. Details are amazing. And the best part is how WALLE interacts with different things - just like the clips you may have seen around the internet. When you think about a 3rd person who isn't human stumbling upon some of the stuff we've come up with, it's pretty funny.

The one thing that surprised me about WALLE is how much it is a couples movie. It's a film that you really should bring your significant other to.

Essentially, the film is worth every penny. It's uplifting and heartfelt. And that's why it's sitting at 97%. Pixar - still - has yet to miss. And this one may have outdone all the rest. See it digitally. I saw it on film, but a computer animated film is probably best on a digital medium.


WANTED

My gut feeling coming out of Wanted was "I didn't hate it." That's usually a good thing, but the ride home I kept thinking about it. And it really sunk in my view. If you take Smoking Aces, Equilibrium and the Matrix together with a comic book story, this is the movie that gets you. Also, for the sake of things, add in outrageously out of place stunts and CGI from Live Free Die Hard. If you have seen all of those movies, chances are you've seen 3/4s of this - cinematic wise.

Story wise, the movie was pretty good. The ending left LOTS to be desired, but in all, the story was pretty unique. It just happens to be the CGI and stunts that killed it. Much like Live Free Die Hard.

I wanted to like it because it was entertaining; more so than LFDH. I wanted to like it because it felt like a comic book and I was able, at points, to accept the unrealism within the realism. And there was some good humor in it. Things you rooted for. But, in the end, it wasn't something I could root for overall.

(I'm all for unrealism when the film purports to be UNREAL. For example, the Matrix told us how they got away with stuff. Here, they tell you the backstory but it's all rooted in reality. There is no alternate route. You have to accept the unrealism in the reality. It's why Batman Begins - and soon to be Dark Knight - is so good. It feels authentic. There aren't many CGI shots. And when they're used, it's for the better of the film, not moving the film along. Children of Men was the same way. And Indiana Jones (before the 4th) was heralded for its realism and stunts. Give me a way out of reality and I'll accept the unrealistic shit you throw at me. Claim to be IN reality and I don't buy a second of it.)

Overall, see WALLE and wait a few weeks to use free passes for WANTED. Or just rent it.




Are you working in a theater? How do you see these movies that come out TOMORROW?

By the way, I'll see WallE tomorrow, but I have no real interest to see Wanted.

[unlurking]

Could you please explain the realism portion? It's a comic book. With super powers. What is this "rooted in reality" expectation. I guess I don't understand this portion...

"Claim to be IN reality and I don't buy a second of it."

Is not the goal of ANY AND EVERY unrealistic (fictional) story to make you feel like it is possible or true, whether through alternate universes, dream worlds, radioactive spiders, future, past, etc. The movies you stated (Batman Begins, Children of Men, etc.) are all pushing for the viewer to believe them are they not? Is there a sequence I missed from Children of Men when a character woke up and said "Whoa, that was a crazy dream"?

Not trying to slam ya (haven't seen the movie, not sure if I will), but it just seems like you walked into a preacher's tent expecting the carnival show to be pornographic.

[Fire Me Boy!]

Irish works at a theater; theaters typically do previews for their employees (and sometimes their friends) after the last showing the night before.

I used to get mine from a couple of marketing agencies in KC that handled the major studios, but those were for press screenings several days or weeks in advance.

[petegz28]

Wanted just looks overly-stupid. "Curve the bullet" ? Cars doing a 360 with the door wide open, guy gets in while car is doing said 360 and car continues on in straight line without so much as one swerve. All unreal yes but stinks of trying to be real. If you are going to go unreal give me a lightsaber or a guy back from hell or something.

[irishjayhawk]

Could you please explain the realism portion? It's a comic book. With super powers. What is this "rooted in reality" expectation. I guess I don't understand this portion...

"Claim to be IN reality and I don't buy a second of it."

Is not the goal of ANY AND EVERY unrealistic (fictional) story to make you feel like it is possible or true, whether through alternate universes, dream worlds, radioactive spiders, future, past, etc. The movies you stated (Batman Begins, Children of Men, etc.) are all pushing for the viewer to believe them are they not? Is there a sequence I missed from Children of Men when a character woke up and said "Whoa, that was a crazy dream"?

Not trying to slam ya (haven't seen the movie, not sure if I will), but it just seems like you walked into a preacher's tent expecting the carnival show to be pornographic.

Batman begins is in a fictional city. The entire premise is not going for reality as we know it. Children of Men was set in the future. Now, I realized when I reread it that I put two different ideas in the same paragraph. One is the realism of the stunts. That's where these two fit in. The stunts don't feel CGI powered if they are. Or, like Indy, they aren't. (Wired has a good article on Dark Knight)

Wanted purports to have these assassins rooted in our reality. And, unlike the Matrix, our reality isn't an alternate reality. Therefore, they expect you to believe this stuff happens in normal every day life with us just walking around. In the Matrix, we're in a computer simulator and they can manipulate the code. That makes it believable. They kind of set up the unrealism as a character, if you will.


Irish works at a theater; theaters typically do previews for their employees (and sometimes their friends) after the last showing the night before.

I used to get mine from a couple of marketing agencies in KC that handled the major studios, but those were for press screenings several days or weeks in advance.

I love Press Screenings when I can sneak myself in. :) But yeah, that's where I worked. Luckily, I still have connections.

Wanted just looks overly-stupid. "Curve the bullet" ? Cars doing a 360 with the door wide open, guy gets in while car is doing said 360 and car continues on in straight line without so much as one swerve. All unreal yes but stinks of trying to be real. If you are going to go unreal give me a lightsaber or a guy back from hell or something.

You know what? I was fine with "curve the bullet". I didn't think I'd be but I was. And it's because of the more unreal things that happen. Let me just say "train scene." I think the part I'm referring to was briefly in the trailer. But, yes, that's what I'm talking about pete. If you're going to go unreal, at least set it up for that. Don't root it in our reality and expect us to buy it.

I did fail to mention Morgan Freeman. I liked seeing his character. It might be one of the reasons I WANTED to like the film. But I can't.

[FAX]

Thanks for the reviews, Mr. irishjayhawk. Very well done. I'm going to see both these movies. Please send my free passes at your earliest convenience.

FAX

[Deberg_1990]

Let me just say "train scene." I think the part I'm referring to was briefly in the trailer. But, yes, that's what I'm talking about pete. If you're going to go unreal, at least set it up for that. Don't root it in our reality and expect us to buy it.




One of my main problems with alot of action films today is overuse of CGI. They stage these impossible stunts and situations just because "they can" make it happen in a computer.

and they keep trying to go for bigger and better when they should be scaling back the CGI and using more practical on-set stunts.

[FAX]

If the major CGI scenes are set up correctly, I have no problem with them whatsoever. I actually gave out a "whoop" when Bruce Willis defeated the jet airplane with nothing but a pair of pants and a semi truck.

FAX

[irishjayhawk]

One of my main problems with alot of action films today is overuse of CGI. They stage these impossible stunts and situations just because "they can" make it happen in a computer.

and they keep trying to go for bigger and better when they should be scaling back the CGI and using more practical on-set stunts.

Yep. That's why Pirates 1 remains the only true Pirates movie. CGI was used to move the story along - not to make the story like in the others.

If the major CGI scenes are set up correctly, I have no problem with them whatsoever. I actually gave out a "whoop" when Bruce Willis defeated the jet airplane with nothing but a pair of pants and a semi truck.

FAX

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. F16s under highways being defeated by a semi can't be properly set up in my book. ;)

[FAX]

... I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. F16s under highways being defeated by a semi can't be properly set up in my book. ;)

I guess so, Mr. irishjayhawk. It's probably just disparate expectations. For my part, I prepare myself in advance to suspend reality when I go to a movie like that. In other words, I don't intellectually dissect each scene in order to determine how close to "reality" it is. I derive more enjoyment out of the film that way. Movies are a diversion from "reality", after all.

FAX

[Baby Lee]

Every time the CGI debate comes up, I'm reminded how effing awesome Apocalypse Now is. Blowin' shit up real good, for real.

[Deberg_1990]

Every time the CGI debate comes up, I'm reminded how effing awesome Apocalypse Now is. Blowin' shit up real good, for real.

You could say that about almost any of the action from the really good action films of the 70's and 80's.

The reason they are good is because everything was real and done with on-set effects.

[rad]

Go see "Wanted"

Complain to management that it sucked and ask for a refund

Get free movie passes

Go see "WallE"

[Vegas_Dave]

We had passes to the premier of WallE. So we got to the theater at 6:10 (got off work at 6) for the 7 oclock movie. Hda my pregnant wife and 5 & 3 year old boys who were SO excited to see it.

We walk up to the box office and they say that the line is "over there" pointing to the outside of the building. Keep in mind, this is Las Vegas in the summer, pregnant wife and 2 young ones.

There were about 80 people in the line so we figurd, cool, no problem.

Then at 6:50, someone from the theater comes out and explains that it is full.

Now granted, I understand that the passes did not guarantee admission. I understand that and had prepared my boys accordingly. However, when I had walked up to the box office, they had known that the theater was already full... but they let a line of now 150+ people stand outside in the heat, me with my pregnant wife and kids, for 40+ minutes knowing full well that we wouldnt get in.

Jerks.

[Adept Havelock]

The reason they are good is because everything was real and done with on-set effects.

Agreed: I'm reminded of "Stuntman Mike's" lecture from Death Proof. :thumb:

[Deberg_1990]

Agreed: I'm reminded of "Stuntman Mike's" lecture from Death Proof. :thumb:

haha....true.

That whole movie was like a HUGE F*ck You to current Hollywood filmaking techniques.

[FAX]

Right. And how good would Lord of the Rings been without Cave Trolls? The last time I checked in the cave, there were no trolls. And, what would you guys have done? Dress a guy up in a Cave Troll suit for realism?

FAX

[smittysbar]

One of my main problems with alot of action films today is overuse of CGI. They stage these impossible stunts and situations just because "they can" make it happen in a computer.

and they keep trying to go for bigger and better when they should be scaling back the CGI and using more practical on-set stunts.

I agree, like in Transporter 2, the scene with the car jumping, rolling in the air and grabbing a hook or something. It was not needed and just killed the whole movie imo.

[Deberg_1990]

Right. And how good would Lord of the Rings been without Cave Trolls? The last time I checked in the cave, there were no trolls. And, what would you guys have done? Dress a guy up in a Cave Troll suit for realism?

FAX

I have no problem with CGI in fantasy and comic book films. Because those are comic and fantasy films. They play by a different set of rules.


I dont like overblown CGI in action films set in the real world with real physics.

[Sully]

I just got back from "Wanted" and I absolutely loved it.
The story had huge holes in it. The stunts weren't "realistic" in the slightest.
But I just flat out had fun seeing it. As unrealistic as the stunts were, they were flat out fun to see, and I found myself smiling at them, realistic, or not. The silly one liners were funny, and Angelina Jolie...well...well, you know...

[Sure-Oz]

Nice to hear from a local that Wall-E was good, gf and i may catch the late show tonight or sometime tomorrow. Probably going to see Wanted after that and Kung Fu Panda....did anyone see that by chance, saw it got 88% on RT

[Sure-Oz]

We had passes to the premier of WallE. So we got to the theater at 6:10 (got off work at 6) for the 7 oclock movie. Hda my pregnant wife and 5 & 3 year old boys who were SO excited to see it.

We walk up to the box office and they say that the line is "over there" pointing to the outside of the building. Keep in mind, this is Las Vegas in the summer, pregnant wife and 2 young ones.

There were about 80 people in the line so we figurd, cool, no problem.

Then at 6:50, someone from the theater comes out and explains that it is full.

Now granted, I understand that the passes did not guarantee admission. I understand that and had prepared my boys accordingly. However, when I had walked up to the box office, they had known that the theater was already full... but they let a line of now 150+ people stand outside in the heat, me with my pregnant wife and kids, for 40+ minutes knowing full well that we wouldnt get in.

Jerks.


Ouch....well maybe this weekend? One thing i worry about wall-e is seeing it early and getting lots of annoying kids (no offense to parents out there) but alot don't know how to get their kid to shut it, so we may try late tonight or tomororw

[Sure-Oz]

There are two presentations at my theater tonight, a digital one at 9 and then a normal one at 935, which one is better or does it even matter?

[Deberg_1990]

There are two presentations at my theater tonight, a digital one at 9 and then a normal one at 935, which one is better or does it even matter?



Try the digital one. Ive seen a couple of movies in digital and it was very nice. It takes a minute or two for your eyes to adjust because our eyes have been conditioned to expect the flicker effect of standard film projection.

Wall-E should look awesume in digital.

[Deberg_1990]

Kung Fu Panda....did anyone see that by chance, saw it got 88% on RT


I saw it. I loved it and so did my kids.

Its actually a very respectable "Kung Fu" flick and its very funny.

[Sure-Oz]

Try the digital one. Ive seen a couple of movies in digital and it was very nice. It takes a minute or two for your eyes to adjust because our eyes have been conditioned to expect the flicker effect of standard film projection.

Wall-E should look awesume in digital.

Thanks, i believe my gf just told me we saw Iron Man in Digital as well and i remember that being nice! Appreciate the boost of confidence on Kungfu Panda, may have to see it too!

[Hammock Parties]

Wall-E is the feel-good movie of the summer. I loved it.

And my god does it look spectacular in DLP. Holy christ. Some of that shit looked real.

[Sure-Oz]

Wall-E is the feel-good movie of the summer. I loved it.

And my god does it look spectacular in DLP. Holy christ. Some of that shit looked real.
it has a 97% on RT.com, suprised not 100%

[keg in kc]

I saw Wall-E today. It's totally not my type of movie, but I thought it was pretty good. The environmental stuff was just this side of annoyingly in-your-face, that was my only real complaint. It was too sentimental for my taste, but I'm not the target audience by any stretch, so I don't call that a fault.

[irishjayhawk]

it has a 97% on RT.com, suprised not 100%

I believe there were only 2 negatives. One was a guy who didn't like Disney and Pixar merging so he wrote a rant on that instead of reviewing the film. The other one from the Arizona Sentinel gave the Happening 3 stars. So, you can see his scale.

[irishjayhawk]

I saw Wall-E today. It's totally not my type of movie, but I thought it was pretty good. The environmental stuff was just this side of annoyingly in-your-face, that was my only real complaint. It was too sentimental for my taste, but I'm not the target audience by any stretch, so I don't call that a fault.

I thought the message was pretty overt and in your face without being annoying. But then again, every review I've read raves about how the message is subtle. :hmmm:

Personally, I thought the message - while perhaps late, given the slew of films on the subject - was actually a better depiction of our culture than most other films.

[keg in kc]

I thought the message was pretty overt and in your face without being annoying.Which is what I said...

[Chiefs Pantalones]

The only movie worth my 8 bucks the rest of the summer to go see is The Dark Knight.

Can't wait.

[keg in kc]

Wall-E was only 5 bucks.

Plus another 20 in food and water.

I love theaters.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Wall-E was only 5 bucks.

Plus another 20 in food and water.

I love theaters.

You didn't bring your own food or drink? This is the 21st Century, no one pays for the shit at the theater anymore except for 13 year olds ;)

[irishjayhawk]

Which is what I said...

I know. I was agreeing. :thumb:

[irishjayhawk]

You didn't bring your own food or drink? This is the 21st Century, no one pays for the shit at the theater anymore except for 13 year olds ;)

As a former employee. I vouch for this. It's what I do.

[Deberg_1990]

The only movie worth my 8 bucks the rest of the summer to go see is The Dark Knight.

Can't wait.

Hell Boy 2 is getting raves as well, but i think the audience for that is pretty limited.

Its squeezed in between Hanock and Dark Knight, so it will probably get overlooked.


The other two im interested in are X-Files 2 and Tropic Thunder

[Chiefs Pantalones]

As a former employee. I vouch for this. It's what I do.

Yep, it's the way to go. It's so freakin' expensive!

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Hell Boy 2 is getting raves as well, but i think the audience for that is pretty limited.

Its squeezed in between Hanock and Dark Knight, so it will probably get overlooked.


The other two im interested in are X-Files 2 and Tropic Thunder

I liked Hell Boy 1. I'll most likely wait though for that one.

[unlurking]

Batman begins is in a fictional city. The entire premise is not going for reality as we know it. Children of Men was set in the future. Now, I realized when I reread it that I put two different ideas in the same paragraph. One is the realism of the stunts. That's where these two fit in. The stunts don't feel CGI powered if they are. Or, like Indy, they aren't. (Wired has a good article on Dark Knight)

Wanted purports to have these assassins rooted in our reality. And, unlike the Matrix, our reality isn't an alternate reality. Therefore, they expect you to believe this stuff happens in normal every day life with us just walking around. In the Matrix, we're in a computer simulator and they can manipulate the code. That makes it believable. They kind of set up the unrealism as a character, if you will.

OK, I still have no idea what you are saying. Just because they name the city something fictional, or it's set in the future, it is not "pretending" to be real? That makes absolutely no sense. Walking into ANY movie that is an adaptation from a COMIC BOOK and NOT expecting fiction is like walking into a BBQ restaurant and complaining that the sushi was bad. Setting up the Matrix as a "believable" reality is absolutely RETARDED if you simply consider the input/output energy levels of sustaining a life form as a ****ing battery. That is absolutely one of the dumbest most idiotic ****ing ideas ever. Don't get me wrong, I loved the first movie, but if that comes anywhere close to reality, I've got a perpetual motion device for sale. Call me, I'll make you a deal.

The CGI I can understand. It has ruined many movies for me.

[KcMizzou]

OK, I still have no idea what you are saying. Just because they name the city something fictional, or it's set in the future, it is not "pretending" to be real? That makes absolutely no sense. Walking into ANY movie that is an adaptation from a COMIC BOOK and NOT expecting fiction is like walking into a BBQ restaurant and complaining that the sushi was bad. Setting up the Matrix as a "believable" reality is absolutely RETARDED if you simply consider the input/output energy levels of sustaining a life form as a ****ing battery. That is absolutely one of the dumbest most idiotic ****ing ideas ever. Don't get me wrong, I loved the first movie, but if that comes anywhere close to reality, I've got a perpetual motion device for sale. Call me, I'll make you a deal.

The CGI I can understand. It has ruined many movies for me.Agreed on all points.

I enjoy and respect your reviews, irish, but I think unlurking's right in this case.

[Deberg_1990]

Wall-E was only 5 bucks.



$5 bucks?? WTF?

This isnt 1992. How do you get those prices? Senior discount?

[keg in kc]

$5 bucks?? WTF?

This isnt 1992. How do you get those prices? Senior discount?All the AMC theaters here run 5 dollar movies during the week.

And no, I don't bring in my own food and drink, not this time of year. There's no way I can conceive of to hide the liter bottle of water I drink during a movie, and it's the only time I ever eat popcorn.

[irishjayhawk]

OK, I still have no idea what you are saying. Just because they name the city something fictional, or it's set in the future, it is not "pretending" to be real?

They're creating their own world. Not every movie creates its own world. When a movie purports to be a story about our reality, rather than its own world (say Gotham City, or in the future, or something like that), and then goes and completely shits on physics, realism, etc, it can take you out of the film.

In this movie, a car swooping in and picking someone up, flying on top of a bus, flipping directly over a car, or a train falling off a bridge and one car getting stuck between two cliffs all happen. And they all happen with zero set up. No Matrix where the world isn't reality. No future. No fictional city. It's supposed to be our world. And it's not.


That makes absolutely no sense. Walking into ANY movie that is an adaptation from a COMIC BOOK and NOT expecting fiction is like walking into a BBQ restaurant and complaining that the sushi was bad.

Wanted didn't claim the comic book basis. I'd venture to say that 85% of the people that go to see it don't know it's based on a comic book.


Setting up the Matrix as a "believable" reality is absolutely RETARDED if you simply consider the input/output energy levels of sustaining a life form as a ****ing battery. That is absolutely one of the dumbest most idiotic ****ing ideas ever. Don't get me wrong, I loved the first movie, but if that comes anywhere close to reality, I've got a perpetual motion device for sale. Call me, I'll make you a deal.

You make my point. It's not reality. That's the point. It doesn't even claim to be. In fact, it says it straight up. The world you're interacting with here is computer code and you can manipulate it. They set it up as believable because they said exactly what, how and why things are happening the way they are.

Further, your comparing two different things. I'm talking about things IN the world. You're talking about the world itself. That is, I'm not saying movies cannot create their own world to play with. But I am saying that when the world is supposed to be our world - reality - and they pull stunts and CGI like they did in Live Free Die Hard or Wanted, it loses itself. The Matrix itself doesn't have to be believable. That's the world they've created. And they tell you that. Wanted does no such thing.


The CGI I can understand. It has ruined many movies for me.

Which is actually the main point in my review. The () indicate a tangent.

[irishjayhawk]

All the AMC theaters here run 5 dollar movies during the week.

And no, I don't bring in my own food and drink, not this time of year. There's no way I can conceive of to hide the liter bottle of water I drink during a movie, and it's the only time I ever eat popcorn.

You do know you can walk right in with it....

[mcan]

Wall-E is amazing. I'll sleep on it, but it's one of my favorite movies ever. Just to give you a feel for the movies that I like, here is my top ten favorite films ever.


10. I Heart Huckabees
9. Hotel Rwanda
8. MST3K: The Movie
7. Shawshank Redemption
6. Magnolia
5. Godfather II
4. Jaws
3. The Shining
2. Fight Club
1. Godfather

Wall-E will probably make its way onto this list in the morning.

[keg in kc]

I just read a review of wall-e that I think summarized my feelings on it. The first third of it was amazing. The part where you see the wasteland earth and meet wall-e, the part where the ship and EVE arrive. Right up until the point that you find the plant and the ship leaves, with wall-e hanging-on.

At that point it goes from being something amazing into...just another cartoon. Now I don't think the cartoony part on the ship was bad, per se, but it just wasn't on the same plane as the earlier part of the movie. It just seemed like it lost something to me at that point.

[teedubya]

I used to get mine from a couple of marketing agencies in KC that handled the major studios, but those were for press screenings several days or weeks in advance.

I used to get those too, from 2001-2004... they would send me free shit in the mail too, promo shit. I have one from Goldmember and a few others.

I don't like going to the movie theatre that often, so I stopped going. Too many shit movies.

[unlurking]

OK, I think I understand your point now irish. The movie did not explain "where" the super powers came from in anyway? We have no idea if they were mutants, aliens, latent human psionics, etc? (I have no idea what psionics means, but I think I saw it in a comic book once)

OK, I guess I can kinda see where you are coming from, but I'll have to go see the movie next week when my son comes out here. Since I haven't read the comics, I have no idea where they got their powers either, so maybe I'll be able to see your point. I think I may be different than most people, who look for movies to escape from the real world. I go to a movie, and have completely escaped life 100% the second that cell phone gets shut off (**** vibrate). To me, zoning out is the escape, I don't need someone else' help to do it, just an excuse to!

Taking out the lack of explanation, and the LFDH type of stunts, how was the movie?

[unlurking]

You do know you can walk right in with it....

Wow, I didn't know that. Grew up as a kid and you couldn't, so it is kind of ingrained. Nobody ever told me the rules changed. Is this an industry change, or a theater change?

[the Talking Can]

Wanted is a profoundly stupid movie, but at least is stylish and cast well enough to warrant the price of a popcorn...

an ancient race of weavers....become assassins.....really?....the "loom of fate"?

LMAO


the only redeeming moment is getting to hear Morgan freeman say "Shoot that muther ****er!!"

[irishjayhawk]

I just read a review of wall-e that I think summarized my feelings on it. The first third of it was amazing. The part where you see the wasteland earth and meet wall-e, the part where the ship and EVE arrive. Right up until the point that you find the plant and the ship leaves, with wall-e hanging-on.

Yes. I agree with this. In fact, it's something I should have mentioned.


At that point it goes from being something amazing into...just another cartoon. Now I don't think the cartoony part on the ship was bad, per se, but it just wasn't on the same plane as the earlier part of the movie. It just seemed like it lost something to me at that point.

I disagree here only because I don't see any other way the film could have gone. 2 hours of discovery, interaction with object, nostalgia and "romancing" with Eve can only go so far. It was an unfortunate change but a necessary one.

OK, I think I understand your point now irish. The movie did not explain "where" the super powers came from in anyway? We have no idea if they were mutants, aliens, latent human psionics, etc? (I have no idea what psionics means, but I think I saw it in a comic book once)

We are given no other explanation other than "they just are capable of these things and have been for 1000 years."


OK, I guess I can kinda see where you are coming from, but I'll have to go see the movie next week when my son comes out here. Since I haven't read the comics, I have no idea where they got their powers either, so maybe I'll be able to see your point. I think I may be different than most people, who look for movies to escape from the real world. I go to a movie, and have completely escaped life 100% the second that cell phone gets shut off (**** vibrate). To me, zoning out is the escape, I don't need someone else' help to do it, just an excuse to!

And I agree to an extent. Things have to be at least somewhat plausible if they aren't set up (Like the Matrix computer code). Of course, the reason we had problems communicating is we're talking about two things at once: CGI/stupid stunts and realism. While they go together, there can be one without the other.


Taking out the lack of explanation, and the LFDH type of stunts, how was the movie?

Honestly, I thought it'd be pretty good. I liked the acting and story aside from the ending. I wanted to like it. I just couldn't with the added silliness.

Wow, I didn't know that. Grew up as a kid and you couldn't, so it is kind of ingrained. Nobody ever told me the rules changed. Is this an industry change, or a theater change?

It was just in my handbook when I trained there. You can't bring in a huge backpack of stuff... We're supposed to let you in but recommend our concessions. Now, there might be an unstated limit. Bringing a case of pop and bucket of popcorn might not be acceptable...

Wanted is a profoundly stupid movie, but at least is stylish and cast well enough to warrant the price of a popcorn...

an ancient race of weavers....become assassins.....really?....the "loom of fate"?

LMAO


the only redeeming moment is getting to hear Morgan freeman say "Shoot that muther ****er!!"

I liked Morgan Freeman playing a different type of character. And I was able to grant the story the weavers, assassins and loom. And mostly for the reasons you state: style and cast. The story was pretty good and there are some redeeming moments especially early on.

[redbrian]

Went and saw Wall e last night, it was ok….not the best from Pixar but not the worst.

Now what we did find amusing was two messages:

The company B/L……..could Disney not be guilty of the same sins…..

The other thing is we bought small soadas’ which were about a half gallon, and a medium popcorn witch was a grocery bag size………folks around us had large (55 gallon barrels) of popcorn and large sodas’ (tanker car size), while on the screen were a bunch of fat people floating around in hover chairs……..ironic we thought…

[Deberg_1990]

Just saw it. I liked it alot. I liked the first 3rd on the planet better than the stuff on the ship.

Overall, i wouldnt say its as good as the Incredibles or Ratatoulle.

Its still a strong movie overall though and lightyears ahead of all other animation companies flicks. Pixar does amazing work conveying the emotion of those robots. Incredible.

[Deberg_1990]

The other thing is we bought small soadas’ which were about a half gallon, and a medium popcorn witch was a grocery bag size………folks around us had large (55 gallon barrels) of popcorn and large sodas’ (tanker car size), while on the screen were a bunch of fat people floating around in hover chairs……..ironic we thought…

Yea, im curious how people that are overweight are going to take that message in the movie??

[the Talking Can]

Yea, im curious how people that are overweight are going to take that message in the movie??

with a side of cheese fries

[ChiTown]

Saw WALL-E last night with my two boys. We loved it!

Funny stuff. There was a young, VERY obese couple that sat in front of us during the movie. During the first half of the movie on Planet Earth, they were laughing (damn near too) loud. As soon as they transitioned the movie to the ship with the obese people, they stopped laughing, gave each other uncomfortable looks, and got up and left before the movie was over.

LMAO at people offended by animation. wtf?

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Saw WALL-E last night with my two boys. We loved it!

Funny stuff. There was a young, VERY obese couple that sat in front of us during the movie. During the first half of the movie on Planet Earth, they were laughing (damn near too) loud. As soon as they transitioned the movie to the ship with the obese people, they stopped laughing, gave each other uncomfortable looks, and got up and left before the movie was over.

LMAO at people offended by animation. wtf?

LOL!!!

Here's a way to stop being offended...

LOSE WEIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChiTown]

LOL!!!

Here's a way to stop being offended...

LOSE WEIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep. Either that, or just embrace what you are and move on. What was funny, even my 7 yr old said "Do you think they left because they were mad about being fat." I no commented that one.

[FAX]

Saw WALL-E last night with my two boys. We loved it!

Funny stuff. There was a young, VERY obese couple that sat in front of us during the movie. During the first half of the movie on Planet Earth, they were laughing (damn near too) loud. As soon as they transitioned the movie to the ship with the obese people, they stopped laughing, gave each other uncomfortable looks, and got up and left before the movie was over.

LMAO at people offended by animation. wtf?

I feel sorry for those fat people. They can't see their penises and they probably don't have cool bikes or anything. But, apparently, fat people are everywhere these days. The other day, in fact, I saw a lady leaving the market whose ass was so big she could scarcely walk. If ever there was a need for sugar-free ketchup, this is the time.

FAX

[Deberg_1990]

There was a young, VERY obese couple that sat in front of us during the movie. During the first half of the movie on Planet Earth, they were laughing (damn near too) loud. As soon as they transitioned the movie to the ship with the obese people, they stopped laughing, gave each other uncomfortable looks, and got up and left before the movie was over.

LMAO at people offended by animation. wtf?

Ive got a feeling there are going to be quite a few people offended by that "message" in this flick.

1. Its a rather harsh at times comment on how lazy society is becoming.
2. Its a save the Earth (Go Green) flick. (which probably wont be quite as offensive)

BTW, its the first Pixar movie i can think of that had a hidden message?

[Chiefs Pantalones]

BTW, its the first Pixar movie i can think of that had a hidden message?

Pixar's Cars taught me that cars can talk, but some choose not to.

[irishjayhawk]

Ive got a feeling there are going to be quite a few people offended by that "message" in this flick.

1. Its a rather harsh at times comment on how lazy society is becoming.
2. Its a save the Earth (Go Green) flick. (which probably wont be quite as offensive)

BTW, its the first Pixar movie i can think of that had a hidden message?

Nope.

First, it wasn't very "hidden". Actually, if you had said is it the first Pixar movie to have an overt message, I'd agree.

Second, let's go through the messages/themes:

Toy Story: Friendship
Ratatouille: Anyone can ______ (Anyone can cook)
Incredibles: Family dynamics. There's so many messages it's insane.
Finding Nemo: Father and Son.


Okay, there's a sample of them.

[Deberg_1990]

Nope.

First, it wasn't very "hidden". Actually, if you had said is it the first Pixar movie to have an overt message, I'd agree.

Second, let's go through the messages/themes:

Toy Story: Friendship
Ratatouille: Anyone can ______ (Anyone can cook)
Incredibles: Family dynamics. There's so many messages it's insane.
Finding Nemo: Father and Son.


Okay, there's a sample of them.

Did you enjoy the parts in the beginning on Earth more than the stuff on the ship??

I certainly did. I thought it kind of bogged down in the middle a bit.

[irishjayhawk]

Did you enjoy the parts in the beginning on Earth more than the stuff on the ship??

I certainly did. I thought it kind of bogged down in the middle a bit.

Yes. I did. But as I said earlier, it was a necessary change. If the whole movie had been them on the planet doing what they did, people would have called it boring. It was a necessary change. And it's not like moments on the planet didn't happen in space. For instance, when they're outside the ship flying around.