Since nobody else wants to do it.... Royals vs Chi Sox -- Game 3

[SPATCH]

bottom 3... royals threatening

i know last night was a tough pill to swallow... and i know these guys aren't helping any of our drinking habits... but c'mon. lets show the boys a little support

[Adept Havelock]

Damn Umps!! :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

Now, with that taken care of...

:p

[SPATCH]

n/m... royals squander 1st and 3rd, 1 out, opportunity

[DeezNutz]

Traditionally, Royals tradition flies in the face of...tradition.

WTF does this mean?

[Adept Havelock]

n/m... royals squander 1st and 3rd, 1 out, opportunity

In accordance with the prophecies. :banghead:

[SPATCH]

Traditionally, Royals tradition flies in the face of...tradition.

WTF does this mean?

ROFL

nobody knows... nobody knows

[Adept Havelock]

Home run by Dye. :cuss:

[Adept Havelock]

Traditionally, Royals tradition flies in the face of...tradition.

WTF does this mean?

It means the Royals are in desperate need of a new copywriter.

[DeezNutz]

ROFL

nobody knows... nobody knows

It means the Royals are in desperate need of a new copywriter.

Seriously, this might be the worst slogan/catch-phrase that I've ever heard a professional organization use.

Can you imagine what the brainstorming session must have been like to produce this beauty?

[DeezNutz]

Lots of players questioning the zone tonight. Someone is going to get tossed before the game's over.

[SPATCH]

Seriously, this might be the worst slogan/catch-phrase that I've ever heard a professional organization use.

Can you imagine what the brainstorming session must have been like to produce this beauty?

god.. to be a fly on that wall...

[SPATCH]

uhhhhh... at least this game is moving quickly???

[Mecca]

That slogan isn't half as bad as them trying to sell Tony Pena as being good.

[BigRock]

Rays down 13-2 to Cleveland in the 8th, which would be their 4th straight loss.

WIDESPREAD PANIC SWEEPS TAMPA BAY

[BWillie]

Greinke pitching another gem, yet will probably get the L.

[SPATCH]

Greinke pitching another gem, yet will probably get the L.

yep... gotta nice pitcher's duel goin on...

but it's going to be another complete game shut-out for buehrle against the royals.. i can just ****ing smell it

[SPATCH]

god bless mike aviles...

tie game... if anyone still cares

[Fish]

Yeah Aviles....

Pena who?

[Adept Havelock]

WOO!!!!!

HOO!!!!!!

2-1 Royals!

JOSE CAN YOU SEE!

[Fish]

Royals take the lead?

[Adept Havelock]

Royals take the lead?

Indeed, the lead. PBJ

Guillen hit a double to drive in Aviles from 2nd for the go-ahead run.

[SPATCH]

guillen sets us up for another heart-breaking loss

[Adept Havelock]

guillen sets us up for another heart-breaking loss

:cuss: LMAO

[SPATCH]

Royals take the lead?

don't bust that nut yet... still got another inning

[KcMizzou]

guillen sets us up for another heart-breaking lossLMAO

Burn in hell.

[Reaper16]

don't bust that nut yet... still got another inning
Yeah, but its a Soria inning.

[Adept Havelock]

4-1 Teahan with an inside the park home run!

[SPATCH]

are u kiddin me??

[Fish]

Did you guys....... did you.... did anybody see that?

[Adept Havelock]

Did you guys....... did you.... did anybody see that?

:D :D :D

[VonneMarie]

4-1 Teahan with an inside the park home run!

The second of the season!!!!!!!!!!

[Adept Havelock]

The second of the season!!!!!!!!!!

It'z a bootiful 'ting.

[Reaper16]

I was gonna' go to the game tonight, but I've been emotionally devastated after the first two games of the series. Now I'm pissed that I didn't go, cuz' how many times are you gonna' see an inside the park HR?

... the answer for season ticket holders is 2 times, both by Teahen. Crazy.

[SPATCH]

Silverio flexed some gigantic nuts sending him home

[Adept Havelock]

Paging Dr. Filthy McNasty. Dr. McNasty, please report to the pitchers mound.

[Reaper16]

Time to Mexicute this series and move past it.

[KcMizzou]

Did you guys....... did you.... did anybody see that?No, goddamnit.

I watched last night... and the night before. Tonight, I followed the game thread.

Serves me right. :(

[Fish]

Silverio flexed some gigantic nuts sending him home

That was probably a bad idea sending him. If the cutoff man would have done what he was supposed to Teahen would have been ****ed....

[Adept Havelock]

Nice "Kill the Ump" chant. ROFL

[Adept Havelock]

One down!

[Reaper16]

That was probably a bad idea sending him. If the cutoff man would have done what he was supposed to Teahen would have been ****ed....
If the cutoff man had acted normally, then Silverio wouldn't have waved him home.

EDIT: Actually, it's Silverio we're talking about, of course he would have sent Teahen.

[Adept Havelock]

TWO DOWN!

[SPATCH]

the crowd is ****ing up an easy, three-syllable chant

[Adept Havelock]

THREE OUTS! ROYALS WIN! F*** YOU UMPS!!!!

Oh, and F*** you DOTEL!

[Fish]

Hey White Sox bastards! Get the **** outta here!

[SPATCH]

ahhhh...

that felt good....

[Mama Hip Rockets]

i do not have any idea how mark teahen got a home run on that. what the hell were the white sox outfielders doing with the ball out there?

[KcMizzou]

ahhhh...

that felt good....Amen, brother.

[SPATCH]

i do not have any idea how mark teahen got a home run on that. what the hell were the white sox outfielders doing with the ball out there?

Alexei "the malnourished one" Ramirez ****ed it up when he put his head down and started jogging towards the infield with the damn ball in his hands

[Mizzou_8541]

If anybody cares, Ron Freaking Mahay is tied for 4th on the team in wins.

[SPATCH]

If anybody cares, Ron Freaking Mahay is tied for 4th on the team in wins.

EASY...

can't we just enjoy this moment??? for tonight??? at least.

holy shit

[Mizzou_8541]

EASY...

can't we just enjoy this moment??? for tonight??? at least.

holy shit

I'm enjoying it. I just think it's funny!

[DeezNutz]

If anybody cares, Ron Freaking Mahay is tied for 4th on the team in wins.

Great. Maybe we can get a talented prospect or two for him at the deadline. He's been great, but isn't he 36 or 37? Trading him now would be a great move.

[Mizzou_8541]

Great. Maybe we can get a talented prospect or two for him at the deadline. He's been great, but isn't he 36 or 37? Trading him now would be a great move.

37, I think. Let's hope we can get a prospect or something. He isn't exactly the future of the organization.

[Demonpenz]

DeezNutz needs to come here and take his crow about a relay from deep outfield

[DeezNutz]

DeezNutz needs to come here and take his crow about a relay from deep outfield

I'm here! Honestly, do you think that should have been scored a HR? The 2B ran the ball back to the infield! Come on...

I take nothing away from Teahen. Great job. But if the 2B doesn't take it for granted that Mark is going to stop at third, there's no homer.

[Demonpenz]

the ball wasn't misplayed and teahen never stopped so i don't know how you would count it as an error

[SPATCH]

I'm here! Honestly, do you think that should have been scored a HR? The 2B ran the ball back to the infield! Come on...

I take nothing away from Teahen. Great job. But if the 2B doesn't take it for granted that Mark is going to stop at third, there's no homer.

that was pure. unadulterated. hustle.

and i will hear nothing to the contrary...

[DeezNutz]

the ball wasn't misplayed and teahen never stopped so i don't know how you would count it as an error

In a sense that's true. No one booted it. But running the ball back to the infield is a pretty decent **** up. No? The 2B was sleeping and he paid the price. If I were a Sox fan, I'd think this play was a joke. You wouldn't?

[DeezNutz]

that was pure. unadulterated. hustle.

and i will hear nothing to the contrary...

ROFL

case closed.

[Demonpenz]

if I was a sox fan i would print out a scouting report in mexican or whatever that stupid mother ****er playing second was and it would say. El Quicko De whitey
(That white boy fast!)

[DeezNutz]

if I was a sox fan i would print out a scouting report in mexican or whatever that stupid mother ****er playing second was and it would say. El Quicko De whitey
(That white boy fast!)

LMAO

No shit. Plus Teahen slowed down a little bit before he reached third before the coach realized that dude was snoozing. If Teahen was running as fast as possible the entire way, he might, might, score standing up.

Of course, maybe the 2B doesn't run with the ball for 50 yards if he sees Teahen going balls out.

[Demonpenz]

I think it was a tough call but the right one , but the official score has 24 hours to change the ruling it wouldn't surprise me if they counted as an error. That would be tough because there was no bobble and no miscue and teahen never fully stopped. for all we know the 2nd basement couldn't get it get it to home and had to run it in and throw it :)

[DeezNutz]

I think it was a tough call but the right one , but the official score has 24 hours to change the ruling it wouldn't surprise me if they counted as an error. That would be tough because there was no bobble and no miscue and teahen never fully stopped. for all we know the 2nd basement couldn't get it get it to home and had to run it in and throw it :)

If the ruling is changed, Teahen should go George Brett on the scorekeeper's ass. Luckily, it happened at home, so this shouldn't be an issue. You know how it is now, though, a player has to kick a ball three times or hit the ****ing popcorn guy to get an error.

[Demonpenz]

well the last game I went to a dropped an easy foul ball but someone else dropped one today and my dad got it. I always thought I would give a ball to a little kid if I got one, but it ment alot more to me since my dad and I have been to hundreds of games and ever gotten one

[KcMizzou]

if I was a sox fan i would print out a scouting report in mexican or whatever that stupid mother ****er playing second was and it would say. El Quicko De whitey
(That white boy fast!)Honestly, they could do it with flash cards.

[BWillie]

How come Joey Gathright is the fastest man on the team yet Teahen runs the bases so much better and DDJ gets so much better jumps on the ball playing CF?

[DeezNutz]

well the last game I went to a dropped an easy foul ball but someone else dropped one today and my dad got it. I always thought I would give a ball to a little kid if I got one, but it ment alot more to me since my dad and I have been to hundreds of games and ever gotten one

Part of me thinks I would give the ball away, but I'm pretty sure I'd grip that ****er like my life depended on it, since I've never had a shot at one before.

[KcMizzou]

I hope that wasn't offensive.

I love me some Looney Tunes.

[DeezNutz]

How come Joey Gathright is the fastest man on the team yet Teahen runs the bases so much better and DDJ gets so much better jumps on the ball playing CF?

Ummm...no baseball instincts, lack of work ethic, doesn't study the game, or ... he sucks ass? I give up.

[petegz28]

Ummm...no baseball instincts, lack of work ethic, doesn't study the game, or ... he sucks ass? I give up.

Little harsh there. Your first statement is correct but he has much better plate discipline than say, Gordon and Pena and others. He just lacks power. He has to become a Damon-light at the plate.

[DeezNutz]

Little harsh there. Your first statement is correct but he has much better plate discipline than say, Gordon and Pena and others. He just lacks power. He has to become a Damon-light at the plate.

Sure it's harsh; I'm ****ing around. To say that he has better plate discipline than Pena is hardly a positive. You might as well have said he has more athletic ability than me. His approach, however, might be worse. He has no power because he is all arms. Offensively, he's about as bad as it gets. It takes two Gathright hits, for example, to score a runner from second. Pathetic. That makes it very tough on a team that is already pressed to score runs.

Gordon, on the other hand, is going to be a ML player for the next 10-15 years. I'd be willing to bet that Gathright will be out of the league completely in half that time.

I'm tough on Gathright because, at this point, I think he's proven that he's not an everyday player at this level.

[Demonpenz]

gathright is an athlete playing baseball. He isn't a baseball player playing baseball

[petegz28]

Sure it's harsh; I'm ****ing around. To say that he has better plate discipline than Pena is hardly a positive. You might as well have said he has more athletic ability than me.

Gordon, on the other hand, is going to be a ML player for the next 10-15 years. I'd be willing to bet that Gathright will be out of the league completely in half that time.

I'm tough on Gathright because, at this point, I think he's proven that he's not an everyday player at this level.

He isn't an everyday player until he bats .260-.270 I will go for that. His fielding is above average though he can take bad routes at times. He needs to be taught how to steal and not just rely on being fast but learn to be quick.

[petegz28]

gathright is an athlete playing baseball. He isn't a baseball player playing baseball

I'll agree with that one.

[DeezNutz]

He isn't an everyday player until he bats .260-.270 I will go for that. His fielding is above average though he can take bad routes at times. He needs to be taught how to steal and not just rely on being fast but learn to be quick.

Isn't he hitting around .250 now? I have no idea how, either. It must be smoke and mirrors and the fact that he's perfected the skill of hitting a ball directly into the dirt, causing it to bounce really high, and running like hell.

If he could hit a solid .270 with some gap power, he'd probably be a hell of a player. I do not agree, however, that his defense is above average. All he is now is fast.

[petegz28]

Isn't he hitting around .250 now? I have no idea how, either. It must be smoke and mirrors and the fact that he's perfected the skill of hitting a ball directly into the dirt and running like hell.

If he could hit a solid .270 with some gap power, he'd probably be a hell of a player. I do not agree, however, that his defense is above average. All he is now is fast.

You know I never will care if he gets a single to center or 3rd base. He works the counts well. He has to learn to bunt better and hit more lien drives, not so much slapping at the ball. But still not an everyday guy for this team anyway.

[DeezNutz]

You know I never will care if he gets a single to center or 3rd base. He works the counts well. He has to learn to bunt better and hit more lien drives, not so much slapping at the ball. But still not an everyday guy for this team anyway.

What? Where would you like these line drives to go if they're not going to the outfield?

He's 27 years old. The player he is now is all the player he's likely to be. Unfortunately, that's not good enough. If he were 22, I'd have much more hope.

[Demonpenz]

Gathright is so bad at instincts. Burle never showed his A+ move to first this game. I thought we were going to see it when joey got in.

[DeezNutz]

Gathright is so bad at instincts. Burle never showed his A+ move to first this game. I thought we were going to see it when joey got in.

I would love to see DDJ have Gathright's speed, plus Teahen's instincts.

DeJesus takes a lot of crap for injuries and what not, and I've accused him of sitting out with a bruised labia from time to time, but he is easily one of the most talented players on the Royals' roster.

[Demonpenz]

[QUOTE=DeezNutz;4840645]I would love to see DDJ have Gathright's speed, plus Teahen's instincts.

Yes. I would like to have carlos beltran too :)

[DeezNutz]

[QUOTE=DeezNutz;4840645]I would love to see DDJ have Gathright's speed, plus Teahen's instincts.

Yes. I would like to have carlos beltran too :)

And a steak and a bj.

[KcMizzou]

And a brazillian dollars.

[DeezNutz]

And a brazillian dollars.

Is that money with a thong? Because that sounds way cool.

[Demonpenz]

Whatever happens I have had fun this year. Baseball is such sport with no time limits, so number orientated, I love that shit. This year has provided fun times with the mexicutioner and shit. Fun stuff

[Demonpenz]

we got football americano coming up too. I hope the Rays take the east but shit baseball is such a long drawn out season. It is important to realize how even thought this game was aweome tonight it is 1/162th a part of the season. Maybe our pitching will start to tacking on wins the second half of the year. Come back next year with dunn or texeria. damn now we talking

[DeezNutz]

I like the fact that there's something new every night. We can BS about stupid 2B and tagging for two.

Plus, if the Royals actually sign both Hosmer and Melville I'm going to believe for the first time in years that the organization is dedicated to winning.

[DeezNutz]

Come back next year with dunn AND texeria. damn now we talking

FYP

And I blew my Gload.

[Demonpenz]

I have seen 100 baseball games a year for 18 years or so I see something new most nights the inside the park homerun wasn't new, but I will give you rep if you can figure out what I haven't seen ever tonight.

[Demonpenz]

I have never seen an error on a double play which konerko got one tonight. What I always hear is you can't assume the double play, but I guess if the first basemen drops it he gets an error since the play should have been finished

[DeezNutz]

I have seen 100 baseball games a year for 18 years or so I see something new most nights the inside the park homerun wasn't new, but I will give you rep if you can figure out what I haven't seen ever tonight.

A homerun hitting a plastic cap in LF? That has to be new. Plus I should receive rep. in general...

Hmmm...

[Demonpenz]

Dye's homerun was farther than 437 btw. That was the farthest homerun i can remember. I do remember Salmon getting one up there by the jumptron in left,

[DeezNutz]

Dye's homerun was farther than 437 btw. That was the farthest homerun i can remember. I do remember Salmon getting one up there by the jumptron in left,

It's a good thing we didn't keep him.

Mother****er, we're hoping we take a run at guys like Dunn and we had...ah...well whatever.

I saw Bo hit one to RF that was an absolute bomb, and I think it was longer than that, but I can't say for sure.

[Demonpenz]

we got neffi perez though he was good

[DeezNutz]

we got neffi perez though he was good

Please don't get me fired up about Dan Glass.

It's amazing that the Royals still have loyal fans with the shit that the ownership has done in the last 10 years or so.

[Demonpenz]

what else is there to do than going to the game. Speaking of which. I think my dad and wouldn't allow any bitches or people there to talk to bother us tonight. We were clapping and yelling on every pitch. I am pretty sure people were getting annoyed. **** em. **** the people who get 40 dollar tickets and play on their cell phones too I hope you get smashed by a line drive you poser pricks. Cheer the team on one or the other or get the hi vee seats

[Demonpenz]

Ok I didn't really mean it, but it is rather tiresome the people who are there to jag off and not watch the game. I can understand some of it, but our section was pretty much horsing around not watching the game and we had to yell to pay attention when a lefty was up because we were in linedrive land.

[DeezNutz]

Sounds like you two are good fans. I remember going to games when I was younger and most of the people in the stadium were like that. It was awesome. You didn't need Slugger or some bullshit mustard race to have a good time. The baseball game was (and should be) enough.

Of course, the Royals were always good and more similar to the Yankees when Mr. and Mrs. K owned the team.

[Demonpenz]

One more thing before I head to bed. I really want soria to stay as a closer, but if the glasses wanted money they would push him to be a starter so on every 5th day they could sell the rights for mexico and have millions of mexicans watching the game. Could you imagine the extra advertizing money and jersey's? If i was a padre's fan I would be kicking myself. San diego has alot of mexicans and they let mexi tuff go.

[Frazod]

Nice win tonight. :thumb:

[Demonpenz]

The mustard thing and all that shit I get. The garth brooks shit is annoying but oh well. I am tired of people going for the promotions. Maybe they will figure out a good team will sell more than a flipping cowboy hat. I don't mind the slugger and all that shit though. I ususally date some dumb ho's that are like OHHHHH I WANT A T SHIRT! OR WOW NEATO THE SCOREBOARD. Keeps them from talking to me while I try to chart who is playing deep, who isn't, and keep my range factor up to date for my fantasy teams.

[DeezNutz]

Nice win tonight. :thumb:

Thanks. Sorry about Mulder. I hope Carpenter and Wainwright come back healthy.

[Demonpenz]

I think that might be it for mulder. One bright spot is you got the best right hand hitter of the last 50 years.

[DeezNutz]

The mustard thing and all that shit I get. The garth brooks shit is annoying but oh well. I am tired of people going for the promotions. Maybe they will figure out a good team will sell more than a flipping cowboy hat. I don't mind the slugger and all that shit though. I ususally date some dumb ho's that are like OHHHHH I WANT A T SHIRT! OR WOW NEATO THE SCOREBOARD. Keeps them from talking to me while I try to chart who is playing deep, who isn't, and keep my range factor up to date for my fantasy teams.

Instead of T-shirt Tuesday or fireworks Friday, I'd like to see a "build-a-team night." This would be a night that the organization would promise that every dollar spent would go to a top-tier free agent. Not only would I go to this game, but I'd buy about 12 beers and maybe even a ****ing jersey. A couple of my buddies would do the same.

[KcMizzou]

Instead of T-shirt Tuesday or fireworks Friday, I'd like to see a "build-a-team night." This would be a night that the organization would promise that every dollar spent would go to a top-tier free agent. Not only would I go to this game, but I'd buy about 12 beers and maybe even a ****ing jersey. A couple of my buddies would do the same.LMAO

Sign me up!

[DeezNutz]

LMAO

Sign me up!

Am I wrong? Wouldn't that stadium be sold out? The downside would be that if something really stupid happened, about 38,000 drunk 25-35 year olds would storm the field and hurt someone. But at least we'd be getting a decent FA.

[Reaper16]

Is that money with a thong? Because that sounds way cool.
LMAO

[Logical]

If the stadium was full and everyon bought 100, you would only be able to pay 1 quality free agent. I doubt that would make that much of a difference. This is still a team with the best of intentions by new mgmt 11 games under 500.

[DeezNutz]

If the stadium was full and everyon bought 100, you would only be able to pay 1 quality free agent. I doubt that would make that much of a difference. This is still a team with the best of intentions by new mgmt 11 games under 500.

It's the sentiment. Don't start doing the math. :thumb:

But tell me that Mark Teixeira wouldn't make a difference in any lineup, let alone the Royals.

[Logical]

It's the sentiment. Don't start doing the math. :thumb:

But tell me that Mark Teixeira wouldn't make a difference in any lineup, let alone the Royals.Hey it could be worse you could be a Padres fan with a team 20 games under 500 that is too slow to be speed team, lousy fielding, even worse hitting and have no power. Talk about a mess, in a ballpark that is a pitchers park, things are going south fast.

[DeezNutz]

Hey it could be worse you could be a Padres fan with a team 20 games under 500 that is too slow to be speed team, lousy fielding, even worse hitting and have no power. Talk about a mess, in a ballpark that is a pitchers park, things are going south fast.

I hear your pain. I'm a life-long Royals fan. The past 25 years haven't been too fun. In fact, you've damn near described every ****ing year, to tell you the truth. Sans George Brett, we've been a wasteland since '93.

[Logical]

I hear your pain. I'm a life-long Royals fan. The past 25 years haven't been too fun. In fact, you've damn near described every ****ing year, to tell you the truth. Sans George Brett, we've been a wasteland since '93.Actually I am not a Padres fan, I am no longer a MLB fan, the last major strike ended that. I was a Royals fan in the 70s and 80s.

[DeezNutz]

Actually I am not a Padres fan, I am no longer a MLB fan, the last major strike ended that. I was a Royals fan in the 70s and 80s.

Yeah, a relative of mine is the same way. '94 ended it for a lot of people.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

some of you may not like Teahan, but i tell you what he hustles and gives his all every single play. He stretched out a double when it should have been a single and he got the inside the park HR, when it should have been a triple. Only if Jose Gullien had teahan hustle mentality

[Dartgod]

I was at last nights game. It was fun to turn the tables on them and come from behind to win.

Teahan is a hustler. He took an extra base earlier in the game when the outfielder was lolly-gagging getting the ball back in to the infield, but the decision to go home on the in-the-parker could have been monumentally stupid. I think he just caught the cutoff guy so much by surprise that he made a shitty throw home....and still almost got him.

On a related note, my wife was in attendance for both of Teahan's in-the-park home runs this year.

[Sure-Oz]

some of you may not like Teahan, but i tell you what he hustles and gives his all every single play. He stretched out a double when it should have been a single and he got the inside the park HR, when it should have been a triple. Only if Jose Gullien had teahan hustle mentality

I like mark but he needs to be better, only if mark had jose guillens hitting ability

[Demonpenz]

I strangly enough was at both the inside the park homeruns, but i don't live far from the ball park

[Demonpenz]

I was at last nights game. It was fun to turn the tables on them and come from behind to win.

Teahan is a hustler. He took an extra base earlier in the game when the outfielder was lolly-gagging getting the ball back in to the infield, but the decision to go home on the in-the-parker could have been monumentally stupid. I think he just caught the cutoff guy so much by surprise that he made a shitty throw home....and still almost got him.

On a related note, my wife was in attendance for both of Teahan's in-the-park home runs this year.

I dunno mine as well force a throw. I don't trust gload to get teahen in if he stays at 3rd

[Dartgod]

I like mark but he needs to be better, only if mark had jose guillens hitting ability
No doubt. He is likely the best base runner in baseball today. He has incredible instincts. Too bad he can't pass some of that on to Gathright. :shake:

[SithCeNtZ]

I like mark but he needs to be better, only if mark had jose guillens hitting ability

They are having nearly the exact same season. The myth that Guillen is somehow head and shoulders above the other Royals hitters is baffling to me.

[Dartgod]

They are having nearly the exact same season. The myth that Guillen is somehow head and shoulders above the other Royals hitters is baffling to me.
Really? Because the last time I looked, Guillen had twice as many RBIs as Teahan.

[CoMoChief]

some of you may not like Teahan, but i tell you what he hustles and gives his all every single play.

So did Eric Hicks.

If you suck.......then you just suck. Teahen was involved in the worst trade in franchise history outside the David Cone trade.

[SithCeNtZ]

Really? Because the last time I looked, Guillen had twice as many RBIs as Teahan.

Their stat lines run like this - .274/.298/.469 to .255/.327/.415. One guy hits for slightly more power while the other one walks far more. RBI's have never been used to signify how good a player is, hence him not being in the All Star game with his huge RBI total.

[Dartgod]

Their stat lines run like this - .274/.298/.469 to .255/.327/.415. One guy hits for slightly more power while the other one walks far more. RBI's have never been used to signify how good a player is, hence him not being in the All Star game with his huge RBI total.
You're on drugs.

Guillen w/RISP: 110 AB, .282 AVG, 49 RBI
Teahen w/RISP: 90 AB, .222 AVG, 26 RBI

Who do you want at the plate when there are runs available?

[DeezNutz]

Their stat lines run like this - .274/.298/.469 to .255/.327/.415. One guy hits for slightly more power while the other one walks far more. RBI's have never been used to signify how good a player is, hence him not being in the All Star game with his huge RBI total.

Production is overrated.

[sedated]

Really? Because the last time I looked, Guillen had twice as many RBIs as Teahan.

RBI's have little significance when judging a player's value.

From KC Star earlier this week:

"Guillen has driven in 64 runs this season, which ranks third in the American League. DeJesus has 45 RBIs.

Ugh. Do we really have to go there again? RBIs are a terrible way to evaluate offensive-player value.

Let’s look at it like this. Guillen has 115 plate appearances this season with runners in scoring position. In those situations, he’s driven in 48 runs, or .42 runs per plate appearance. DeJesus has been up 67 times in those spots. He’s driven home 35 of those runners — a ratio of .52 runs per plate appearance with runners in scoring position.

You see the difference? Do you? In every demonstrable way, DeJesus has been better than Guillen."

[DeezNutz]

RBI's have little significance when judging a player's value.

From KC Star earlier this week:

"Guillen has driven in 64 runs this season, which ranks third in the American League. DeJesus has 45 RBIs.

Ugh. Do we really have to go there again? RBIs are a terrible way to evaluate offensive-player value.

Let’s look at it like this. Guillen has 115 plate appearances this season with runners in scoring position. In those situations, he’s driven in 48 runs, or .42 runs per plate appearance. DeJesus has been up 67 times in those spots. He’s driven home 35 of those runners — a ratio of .52 runs per plate appearance with runners in scoring position.

You see the difference? Do you? In every demonstrable way, DeJesus has been better than Guillen."

Good statistic there. DDJ has been absurd with RISP this year. Out of curiosity, does he see the same pitches batting 4th? Not that it's not difficult to put up decent RBI totals batting leadoff...

Also, it's not realistic to think that DeJesus will continue to hit around .475 with RISP, so his ratio of runs per plate appearance is very, very high right now.

[Dartgod]

RBI's have little significance when judging a player's value.

From KC Star earlier this week:

"Guillen has driven in 64 runs this season, which ranks third in the American League. DeJesus has 45 RBIs.

Ugh. Do we really have to go there again? RBIs are a terrible way to evaluate offensive-player value.

Let’s look at it like this. Guillen has 115 plate appearances this season with runners in scoring position. In those situations, he’s driven in 48 runs, or .42 runs per plate appearance. DeJesus has been up 67 times in those spots. He’s driven home 35 of those runners — a ratio of .52 runs per plate appearance with runners in scoring position.

You see the difference? Do you? In every demonstrable way, DeJesus has been better than Guillen."
I'm sorry, but I was having a discussion about Guillen vs. Teahen. Where did DeJesus factor in?

I'll have to look again, but I saw that Guillen had 90 plate appearances w/RISP.

EDIT - Nevermind, I was looking at the wrong column. 90 is the number of games. He has 110 official ABs

Still, I never said that RBIs was a determining factor on who good an offensive player is. Do you agree with SithCeNtZ that Guillen and Teahen are basically the same, offense-wise?

[Demonpenz]

I think RBI's are great. When you break it down. more often than not It ususally shows you how many runs they have driven in when they hit the ball.

[Beerfund]

RBI's have little significance when judging a player's value.

From KC Star earlier this week:

"Guillen has driven in 64 runs this season, which ranks third in the American League. DeJesus has 45 RBIs.

Ugh. Do we really have to go there again? RBIs are a terrible way to evaluate offensive-player value.

Let’s look at it like this. Guillen has 115 plate appearances this season with runners in scoring position. In those situations, he’s driven in 48 runs, or .42 runs per plate appearance. DeJesus has been up 67 times in those spots. He’s driven home 35 of those runners — a ratio of .52 runs per plate appearance with runners in scoring position.

You see the difference? Do you? In every demonstrable way, DeJesus has been better than Guillen."

exactly, DeJesus is doing incredable this year. And for a side note i hate Billy Butler. A big baseball player who can't hit the ball out of the infield, can't run, and isn't that great on defense. I bet if hillman were to tell him he would take him to chuck e cheese after the game if he did good we would see more production out of his fat ass.

[SithCeNtZ]

RBI's have little significance when judging a player's value.

From KC Star earlier this week:

"Guillen has driven in 64 runs this season, which ranks third in the American League. DeJesus has 45 RBIs.

Ugh. Do we really have to go there again? RBIs are a terrible way to evaluate offensive-player value.

Let’s look at it like this. Guillen has 115 plate appearances this season with runners in scoring position. In those situations, he’s driven in 48 runs, or .42 runs per plate appearance. DeJesus has been up 67 times in those spots. He’s driven home 35 of those runners — a ratio of .52 runs per plate appearance with runners in scoring position.

You see the difference? Do you? In every demonstrable way, DeJesus has been better than Guillen."

Yep. At the end of they day, they are seperated by .026 in OPS. .026. There is not a person on the planet who would argue one player is having a way better season with an OPS of .026 better than another player. If you want to say Guillen has been a better run producer, then that is fine, but you also have to say Teahen has been a far better guy at getting on base. Each has their place in baseball, and since both are severly lacking in one category, they sort of cancel each other out.

[sedated]

I'm sorry, but I was having a discussion about Guillen vs. Teahen. Where did DeJesus factor in?

sorry to confuse people by bringing DDJ into the convo, but was making a point about RBI's. I hate people throwing around RBI totals almost as much as wins for a pitcher.

Do you agree with SithCeNtZ that Guillen and Teahen are basically the same, offense-wise?

Um, no.

[Demonpenz]

Anyone seen pat burrells rbi? With ryan howard and utley in front of him he doesn't get many people on base. He still has 50

[Beerfund]

Teahen makes me sad in the pants most of the time. I know he has the potential to be a great player, but he doesnt show it very much.

[SithCeNtZ]

Um, no.

What? Why not? What other measure can you possibly use to justify Guillen being a much better offensive player? Is it the extra 2 HR's? The OBP that ranks 159 out of 171 qualified players? The fact that they are almost exactly equal in runs scored despite the fact that Teahen has hit in front of TPJ and Buck the whole season? The 25 fewer walks? I really want to know how you can say RBI's are worthless and then claim Guillen has been a whole lot better than Teahen.

[sedated]

I really want to know how you can say RBI's are worthless and then claim Guillen has been a whole lot better than Teahen.

because I watch the games.

[Beerfund]

What? Why not? What other measure can you possibly use to justify Guillen being a much better offensive player? Is it the extra 2 HR's? The OBP that ranks 159 out of 171 qualified players? The fact that they are almost exactly equal in runs scored despite the fact that Teahen has hit in front of TPJ and Buck the whole season? The 25 fewer walks? I really want to know how you can say RBI's are worthless and then claim Guillen has been a whole lot better than Teahen.

Do you watch the royals? OR do u catch the one game were Teahen actually has a good night?

[SithCeNtZ]

Do you watch the royals? OR do u catch the one game were Teahen actually has a good night?

Stats don't lie. Perceptions do. I had a guess before I got into this discussion that most people would say Teahen was much worse just because they don't like him, and sure enough, when confronted with any sort of statistical fact to the contrary, people just say "because I said so". Sedated couldn't come up with one single rebuttal to my response, so he just says "because I watch the games". If we were talking about something like quantifying defensive ability or something that has no real statistical measure, then I could accept just having a different view of the game than someone else. Heck, this isn't even on the same level as arguing about numbers in basketball because one guy on one team gets more touches and is "the man" and another player doesn't. It's baseball, it's a numbers game, they don't lie, they don't play favorites, they don't judge players based on past performance, they don't bias views on one player because he had one single hot streak and has played pretty poorly the rest of the time. .026 OPS difference. Can't deny it.

[sedated]

f*cking stat nazi.

there's something to be said about situation in a game.

I never said RBI's are worthless, I just said they should not be the only measure of a player's offensive value.

[Demonpenz]

I wonder if we can bring in Aaron Guiel for a look