What, no Royals thread tonight?

[Dartgod]

They're losing 19-0 in the bottom of the 8th.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

[RibKing67]

It is almost training camp time......What is this Royals you speak of?

[StcChief]

thumped

[Jenson71]

Is it time to part with Jimmy Gobble yet?

[Deberg_1990]

They're losing 19-0 in the bottom of the 8th.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL


Make that 19-4. Theres still hope!

[Deberg_1990]

Is it time to part with Jimmy Gobble yet?

With that sparkling 11.31 ERA? Its hard to find talent like that.

[Dartgod]

Is it time to part with Jimmy Gobble yet?
Let's see. 1 IP, 7 hits, 4 BB, 10 ER.

Yeah, I'd say it's time to kick his ass out the door, if they haven't already.

[Hammock Parties]

man Gobble has been downright ****ing pathetic this year... He was prety good last year in the role that he's in, i wonder what his deal is...

This game is a huge embarrassment... Hopefully it will make moore realize that our pitching is better, yah, but it still completely blows.

[Frazod]

Let's see. 1 IP, 7 hits, 4 BB, 10 ER.

Yeah, I'd say it's time to kick his ass out the door, if they haven't already.

Jesus. 10 earned runs IN AN INNING?

I wonder what the record is?

[Dartgod]

Oh, shit. I wasn't watching, but did TJ just pitch the 9th and retire the side in order?

[alanm]

Hell, I was watching Baseball tonight not more than a half hr. ago and the score was only 9-0 and of course the Royals were pulling every boneheaded thing in the book tonight.

[Dartgod]

Damn, I wish I had seen that!

Hey, Gobble! When a no hitting POS shortstop shows you up on the mound, its time to pack your bags.

[Dartgod]

We need to score 16 in the bottom of the 9th and get TJ the win.

[DeezNutz]

I stopped watching at 7-0. Whoa. I'm not sure what I would have liked to see more, though, Gobble throwing BP or Pena Jr. retiring the side. Hmm...I'll say one thing, I've been as critical as anyone of Pena, but he does play hard and seems to be a team-first guy. I definitely respect these qualities...

[Deberg_1990]

SO i have to ask...

What has Hillman brought to this team?? Its the same old same old from the last 10 years.

[Mizzou_8541]

I stopped watching at 7-0. Whoa. I'm not sure what I would have liked to see more, though, Gobble throwing BP or Pena Jr. retiring the side. Hmm...I'll say one thing, I've been as critical as anyone of Pena, but he does play hard and seems to be a team-first guy. I definitely respect these qualities...

Whoa, whoa, whoa....TPJ pitched? Am I reading this correctly? I didn't catch the game tonight (thank god) so I am out of the loop.

[alanm]

SO i have to ask...

What has Hillman brought to this team?? Its the same old same old from the last 10 years.
A manager is only as good as the talent he's dealt. Right now he's holding a baby straight.

[DeezNutz]

SO i have to ask...

What has Hillman brought to this team?? Its the same old same old from the last 10 years.

I don't know if he's going to be a good manager or not, but I'll say this: Hillman is not the circus that was Tony Pena, and he seems to have a bit more spunk than Buddy Bell, who didn't seem to be the right kind of guy for a (constantly) rebuilding team.

[DeezNutz]

Whoa, whoa, whoa....TPJ pitched? Am I reading this correctly? I didn't catch the game tonight (thank god) so I am out of the loop.

Yep. I wasn't watching, but according to the box score he pitched one inning, with one K. Cool.

Batting: .154
ERA: .000

Let's keep going with what's working best...

[Mizzou_8541]

Should I be worried the Joey Gathright has a better average than Alex Gordon?

[SPATCH]

gotta love these guys

that's what i call some New. Blue. Tradition. :thumb:

[DeezNutz]

Should I be worried the Joey Gathright has a better average than Alex Gordon?

Gathright has 3 extra base hits this season. That's pretty impressive, actually.

[Deberg_1990]

gotta love these guys

that's what i call some New. Blue. Tradition. :thumb:

I call it "Same Old Blue Losing Tradition".

[DeezNutz]

Maybe this is the team's second half approach. Ass kicked in game one to give the opposition a false sense of security, and then proceed to take the series. New. Blue. Sneaky Ass Tradition.

[Mizzou_8541]

Gathright has 3 extra base hits this season. That's pretty impressive, actually.

Ok...just checking. I was hoping that someone could alleviate my fears more than that, however.

[BWillie]

Yep. I wasn't watching, but according to the box score he pitched one inning, with one K. Cool.

Batting: .154
ERA: .000

Let's keep going with what's working best...

You gotta be shitting me. I wish I would have recorded that. Somebody put the entire inning on you tube. I want to see his tobacco spitting ass K'ing some guy. haaha. I totally support that move. When you are losing by 15 runs, you aren't going to win, don't waste your pen

[SPATCH]

Maybe this is the team's second half approach. Ass kicked in game one to give the opposition a false sense of security, and then proceed to take the series. New. Blue. Sneaky Ass Tradition.

that's tradition that flies in the face of... well... tradition.

[DeezNutz]

You gotta be shitting me. I wish I would have recorded that. Somebody put the entire inning on you tube. I want to see his tobacco spitting ass K'ing some guy. haaha. I totally support that move. When you are losing by 15 runs, you aren't going to win, don't waste your pen

If he hits like a pitcher, spits like a pitcher...

Did anyone actually see this event? How hard was he throwing? How the heck did he strike out anyone?

[BigRock]

When Tony Pena Jr. wins the Cy Young next year, all the haters will be eating some serious crow.

[BWillie]

If he hits like a pitcher, spits like a pitcher...

Did anyone actually see this event? How hard was he throwing? How the heck did he strike out anyone?

Can he hit 85 on his fastball? Sign him up. How much worse can it get.

[DeezNutz]

that's tradition that flies in the face of... well... tradition.

:shake:

That ****ing line. It had to be written minutes before deadline, and the conversation that led to selecting it had to begin with, "Aww, **** it, let's just say..."

[Hammock Parties]

hm... tpj should really think about doing the pitching thing, because he looks kinda natural at it. Hey, Joel Peralta did just that and convinced a team like the royals to sign em as a pitcher...

[DeezNutz]

When Tony Pena Jr. wins the Cy Young next year, all the haters will be eating some serious crow.

Can he hit 85 on his fastball? Sign him up. How much worse can it get.

This kind of reclaimation project would be on the same level of K-State football under Snyder.

[Hammock Parties]

If he hits like a pitcher, spits like a pitcher...

Did anyone actually see this event? How hard was he throwing? How the heck did he strike out anyone?

he was consistently throwing in the lower 90s. got up to 93 and he had a fairly decent looking curveball that he froze pudge with

[DeezNutz]

he was consistently throwing in the lower 90s. got up to 93 and he had a fairly decent looking curveball that he froze pudge with

You ****ing lie.

[doomy3]

he was consistently throwing in the lower 90s. got up to 93 and he had a fairly decent looking curveball that he froze pudge with



You gotta be kidding.

[SPATCH]

he was consistently throwing in the lower 90s. got up to 93 and he had a fairly decent looking curveball that he froze pudge with

bull shit... i didn't watch.... but bull shit

[BWillie]

he was consistently throwing in the lower 90s. got up to 93 and he had a fairly decent looking curveball that he froze pudge with

I want video. somebody give me video

[KCCHIEFS27]

No he's not kidding..I was watching this game..TPJ was throwing between 88-91 constantly and even hit some 93-94 range. I don't know how well his off-speed stuff would work once hitters saw what he had because I think Pudge would have blasted the one that caught him off-guard on another day. But another thing about TPJ is his loose side arm style. He was changing up his motion during the wind up too, I liked it. Dare I say he actually looked good.

[DeezNutz]

No he's not kidding..I was watching this game..TPJ was throwing between 88-91 constantly and even hit some 93-94 range. I don't know how well his off-speed stuff would work once hitters saw what he had because I think Pudge would have blasted the one that caught him off-guard on another day. But another thing about TPJ is his loose side arm style. He was changing up his motion during the wind up too, I liked it. Dare I say he actually looked good.

The move should be immediate.

[Hammock Parties]

You gotta be kidding.

i kid you not. He had good movement on his fastball as well. He really looked natural up there. makes me think that he knows he wont make it as a shortstop or batter so he's possibly been working on the pitching thing

[doomy3]

No he's not kidding..I was watching this game..TPJ was throwing between 88-91 constantly and even hit some 93-94 range. I don't know how well his off-speed stuff would work once hitters saw what he had because I think Pudge would have blasted the one that caught him off-guard on another day. But another thing about TPJ is his loose side arm style. He was changing up his motion during the wind up too, I liked it. Dare I say he actually looked good.



If that's the case, he should never pick up another bat. Either he becomes a pitcher, or he bags groceries.

[BWillie]

No he's not kidding..I was watching this game..TPJ was throwing between 88-91 constantly and even hit some 93-94 range. I don't know how well his off-speed stuff would work once hitters saw what he had because I think Pudge would have blasted the one that caught him off-guard on another day. But another thing about TPJ is his loose side arm style. He was changing up his motion during the wind up too, I liked it. Dare I say he actually looked good.

Alright lets have him pull a reverse-ankiel

[Deberg_1990]

TPJ will be Soria's set up man next year. You heard it here on Chiefsplanet first!

[DeezNutz]

I'm all for opening a big ol' can of McClure on TPJ.

[Hammock Parties]

i have a feeling thats not the last time we see him on the mound this year. I bet ya anything he goes straight for that in the offseason, becoming a pitcher

[KCCHIEFS27]

I don't know if you were watching it on TV or not Jayhawkerman, but it looked like he said "Thanks" to Hillman as if he asked to be put on the mound to show them what he could do.

[KCCHIEFS27]

Or Hillman could have said good job, but I didn't see Hillman's mouth move until TPJ said "Thanks"

[petegz28]

i have a feeling thats not the last time we see him on the mound this year. I bet ya anything he goes straight for that in the offseason, becoming a pitcher

He certainly bats like one.

[alanm]

When Tony Pena Jr. wins the Cy Young next year, all the haters will be eating some serious crow.
His probability of that actually happening is greater than his hitting the Mendoza line this year.

[Demonpenz]

Mayhay started his career in the majors as a right fielder than the same thing happened he came into a blowout in the minors

[KCinNY]

How was Hochevar ever a #1 pick? I mean a sinkerballer with a so-so arm...I don't get it.

[petegz28]

How was Hochevar ever a #1 pick? I mean a sinkerballer with a so-so arm...I don't get it.

Classic case of bad inning syndrome. He does good but has 1 thing go wrong and it all comes down.

[Kraus]

Just saw the TPJ strike-out on ESPN. Crazy.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

is gobble in omaha yet?

[Mizzou_8541]

is gobble in omaha yet?

11+ ERA not good enough for you? Rude.;)

[Chief Chief]

Quick! Trade away Tiny Penis for anybody or even anything, like 20 bats!

[BigRock]

I want video. somebody give me video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwgu2I2p6ms

The only thing missing is a shot of Jimmy Gobble crying in the dugout after TPJ gets the strikeout.

[DeezNutz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwgu2I2p6ms

The only thing missing is a shot of Jimmy Gobble crying in the dugout after TPJ gets the strikeout.

Very cool.

[Nzoner]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwgu2I2p6ms

The only thing missing is a shot of Jimmy Gobble crying in the dugout after TPJ gets the strikeout.


Classic,thanks :thumb:

[bkkcoh]

He certainly bats like one.

Greg Maddux and John Smoltz are gonna kick your azz for saying that.... :)

[irishjayhawk]

SO i have to ask...

What has Hillman brought to this team?? Its the same old same old from the last 10 years.

I'm sorry, I take issue with this.

First, the manager is pretty irrelevant in baseball. I mean, really.

Second, if you can't see the team has improved, then there's something wrong. Of course they'll drop a game or two like this. The key is the bounce back. Hell, the twins lost 12-4 last night. You take away Gobble's 10 and we lost by pretty much the same margin. Gobble has to be shown the door.

The team has and is improving. You just have to look and not have knee jerk reactions to games like this.

[Nzoner]

I'm sorry, I take issue with this.

First, the manager is pretty irrelevant in baseball. I mean, really.

Second, if you can't see the team has improved, then there's something wrong. Of course they'll drop a game or two like this. The key is the bounce back. Hell, the twins lost 12-4 last night. You take away Gobble's 10 and we lost by pretty much the same margin. Gobble has to be shown the door.

The team has and is improving. You just have to look and not have knee jerk reactions to games like this.

Good take,I personally can't remember the last time I was still checking in on these guys after the break.They're definitely improving and have been entertaining to watch most of the time.

[Deberg_1990]

I'm sorry, I take issue with this.

First, the manager is pretty irrelevant in baseball. I mean, really.

Second, if you can't see the team has improved, then there's something wrong. Of course they'll drop a game or two like this. The key is the bounce back. Hell, the twins lost 12-4 last night. You take away Gobble's 10 and we lost by pretty much the same margin. Gobble has to be shown the door.

The team has and is improving. You just have to look and not have knee jerk reactions to games like this.


Whats their record this year compared to last year at this time? Ultimately, the only thing that matters is wins and losses. The pitching is better yes, but what about the rest of the team?

[DeezNutz]

Whats their record this year compared to last year at this time? Ultimately, the only thing that matters is wins and losses. The pitching is better yes, but what about the rest of the team?

We don't judge ourselves by wins and losses. /David Glass/

:D

At some point, you're right that the record will tell the story, period, but this organization has been in the shitter for so long that this point hasn't arrived, yet. It's still baby steps, frustratingly enough.

To answer your question, the team has competed on a consistent basis this season, and in many years this has not been the case. Even when they're down 5-0, you can be pretty confident that the team will continue to battle. Sadly, this is improvement, and Hillman has to get some credit for this.

[irishjayhawk]

Whats their record this year compared to last year at this time? Ultimately, the only thing that matters is wins and losses. The pitching is better yes, but what about the rest of the team?

No.

Ultimately, the mindset that breeds good records is the thing that matters. Blind squirrels find nuts. Records don't mean much. Look at the 2003 Royals. They had a superb record but the following team tanked.

It's the mindset. The mind that hey, no matter what happened last night, we can win. The mindset that carries from year to year no matter who the players are.

Records are misleading, in my opinion. Unfortunately, they are the defacto measuring stick.

[irishjayhawk]

We don't judge ourselves by wins and losses. /David Glass/

:D

At some point, you're right that the record will tell the story, period, but this organization has been in the shitter for so long that this point hasn't arrived, yet. It's still baby steps, frustratingly enough.

Yep.

[Deberg_1990]

Records are misleading, in my opinion. Unfortunately, they are the defacto measuring stick.


We will have to agree to disagree then. Im of the belief "You are who you are"

[irishjayhawk]

We will have to agree to disagree then. Im of the belief "You are who you are"

When we are in a point of rebuild where that applies, I'll happily agree.

1.5 years for our GM and 1 year for our Coach is not enough for me to think the record dictates all.

[SithCeNtZ]

SO i have to ask...

What has Hillman brought to this team?? Its the same old same old from the last 10 years.

The team is better, but only only because of who Moore has brought in. Hillman has been pretty bad this year. You can take your pick of questionable handling of the pitching staff, poor fundamentals like not being able to put a bunt down and base running, his complete lack of understanding of when to send runners, his questionable pinch hitting decisions..it has all been pretty bad. The team as a whole is better, but none of that is coming from Hillman.

[Demonpenz]

We run young guys out there sometimes that we maybe able to sqeeze a few wins out of but we stick with the younger guys to see how they will do in certain situations. We gave a long leash on gathright, Pena, butler, because we need to know what we have. I think that is a step in rebuilding. Before we would have signed some veteran off the scrap heap. I like the fact we don't run trash out there as much as we used too. Jesus Scott elerton and seth etherton darrel may no matter how bad they pitched they ran them out there. Some of that is we finally have other options I understand but atleast this time around they give the apperence to be fed up. Bye bye tomco, nomo, yabota.

[Demonpenz]

I love the fact how Hillman is agressive to, he understands that we need some stolen bases to put pressure on the D!

[sedated]

We lost a game??!!!
OMGZ!!!!!!!1111oneoneone
Time to clean house!
We are obviously not improving!

[keg in kc]

When we are in a point of rebuild where that applies, I'll happily agree.

1.5 years for our GM and 1 year for our Coach is not enough for me to think the record dictates all.Gonna take at least 5 years on the part of the GM. He's rebuilding the entire franchise from rookie ball up.

As for managers, they're maybe the most overvalued commodity in pro sports. "Good" managers happen to be the ones with the most talent on the field. And in that light, Hillman's as good as what he has to work with, nothing more, nothing less. Same as Tony Pena or Buddy Bell. They're basically figureheads. It's not like he's some alchemist who can turn shit into gold.

[alanm]

Whats their record this year compared to last year at this time? Ultimately, the only thing that matters is wins and losses. The pitching is better yes, but what about the rest of the team?
I read somewhere this morning that the Royals have 2 more wins this year than last. :D

[irishjayhawk]

Gonna take at least 5 years on the part of the GM. He's rebuilding the entire franchise from rookie ball up.

As for managers, they're maybe the most overvalued commodity in pro sports. "Good" managers happen to be the ones with the most talent on the field. And in that light, Hillman's as good as what he has to work with, nothing more, nothing less. Same as Tony Pena or Buddy Bell. They're basically figureheads. It's not like he's some alchemist who can turn shit into gold.

Out of curiosity, how many drafts did Baird get? That's how many Moore should get.

[DeezNutz]

Out of curiosity, how many drafts did Baird get? That's how many Moore should get.

Not really a fair comparison considering that ownership didn't give Baird the resources to be successful. He made plenty of mistakes, but when you generally have to draft based on signability, it's tough to be too critical. A better question would be: How many years do real organizations give their GMs?

[irishjayhawk]

Not really a fair comparison considering that ownership didn't give Baird the resources to be successful. He made plenty of mistakes, but when you generally have to draft based on signability, it's tough to be too critical.

I know. ;)