No way Chiefs are as bad as last year

[rambleonthruthefog]

was looking as some box scores and stats from last years games. man we were bad last year. i figure there is no way we consistantly play like this. remember these good times?

Kansas City (0-1, 0-1 away)
Houston (1-0, 1-0 home)
1 2 3 4
0 0 3 0
0 10 7 3
Jacksonville (3-1, 2-0 away)
Kansas City (2-3, 1-1 home)
1 2 3 4
3 7 0 7
0 0 0 7
Kansas City (4-9, 2-4 away)
Denver (6-7, 4-3 home)
1 2 3 4
0 7 0 0
14 10 17 0
Kansas City (4-12, 2-6 away)
New York Jets (4-12, 3-5 home)
1 2 3 4 OT
0 3 0 7 0
0 10 0 0 3

[Mr. Plow]

I don't see a whole lot of improvement this year.

[Tribal Warfare]

Never say never, shit happens.

[Nzoner]

Too bad if you live in the KC Metro that we'll have to find out by listening to the radio broadcast of home games.

[Deberg_1990]

Im of the belief that there is no way the Chiefs are as good as last year. :)


But thats not neccessarily a bad thing.

[BigChiefFan]

We will be just as bad if not worse, IMO. Way too many variables and rookies to have an immediate impact.

[StcChief]

solid. 2-14 to 5-11 possibility

[bsp4444]

I really feel we will be four games better, but if I had to put money on it, I'd say three games better. The offensive coordinator's gotta be good for a win or two, and if LJ is healthy for a full season, another win or two. In a perfect world, Connar Barth is all world and we don't lose three to missed field goals like last year (man I've just about got us going undefeated, it's fun to dream).

[StcChief]

I really feel we will be four games better, but if I had to put money on it, I'd say three games better. The offensive coordinator's gotta be good for a win or two, and if LJ is healthy for a full season, another win or two. In a perfect world, Connar Barth is all world and we don't lose three to missed field goals like last year (man I've just about got us going undefeated, it's fun to dream).
so we are all the way back to mediocre 7-9 huh. drafting at a #17 to #20

[petegz28]

If we can manage at least one 1st down per posession this year that would be a huge step for this team.

[rambleonthruthefog]

so we are all the way back to mediocre 7-9 huh. drafting at a #17 to #20


getting better is a good thing. 4 wins last yr, 8 wins this yr, maybe 12 wins and a run in the playoffs the following year.

whoever thinks that a top 5 pick in next years draft is the answer is a f*cking moron. what pick was Dbowe? what pick was TG? What pick was LJ? What pick was JA? shall i keep going? consistant improvement is the answer.

[FAX]

I believe we will appear much improved at times, but very inconsistent. So far as I can tell, that's the most frustrating part about fielding a young team. You never know what you're getting from week to week. Akin to observing a one-eyed dog with a baloney tail in a very crowded beaver house, there will be many comments like, "What the hell are you doing?"

Herm's Heartbreakers.

FAX

[StcChief]

I believe we will appear much improved at times, but very inconsistent. So far as I can tell, that's the most frustrating part about fielding a young team. You never know what you're getting from week to week. Akin to observing a one-eyed dog with a baloney tail in a very crowded beaver house, there will be many comments like, "What the hell are you doing?"

Herm's Heartbreakers.

FAXFAX Coined it and I agree. Win a few, lose a few heartbreakers

next we can move up to Browns level and be Cardiac Kids

[FAX]

I don't know ... I kind of like Herm's One-Eyed Dog With A Baloney Tail In A Very Crowded Beaver House.

FAX

[Skip Towne]

If Carl thought we were going to be good he would have raised ticket prices.

[FAX]

If Carl thought we were going to be good he would have raised ticket prces.

ROLROLOLRROOL

Quite so, Mr. Skip Towne. Herm came, Herm saw, Herm yanked Carl's friggin' dream out from under his fashionable loafers.

CP is probably having migraines.

FAX

[Mr. Plow]

getting better is a good thing. 4 wins last yr, 8 wins this yr, maybe 12 wins and a run in the playoffs the following year.


ROFL

[Fish]

Yes way.

[FAX]

Don't laugh, Mr. Mr. Plow. Mr. rambleonthruthefog's refreshingly positive attitude is nice to see. Frankly, we could use a little more of that around here. I remember a time when <strike>a lot of us</strike> <strike>some of us</strike> <strike>one guy</strike> <strike>a lonely, naive doofus on strong dope</strike> I thought we were going to be good someday.

FAX

[Mr. Plow]

If we hit 5 wins this year, I'll be Mr. Positive.

[HemiEd]

It is easy to become a playoff game winning, superbowl team. You just have to go 4-12 a couple years and you are golden.
Just ask Arizona, Cincinatti, Detroit, Oakland etc. No problem!

[MegaMustache]

Yummy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5ORX3TPXcI

[alpha_omega]

Too bad if you live in the KC Metro that we'll have to find out by listening to the radio broadcast of home games.

Ya, that will suck. The DT 7 sack game was the last one i remember listening to on the radio.

[Mecca]

It is easy to become a playoff game winning, superbowl team. You just have to go 4-12 a couple years and you are golden.
Just ask Arizona, Cincinatti, Detroit, Oakland etc. No problem!

I think most people here would switch teams with Arizona in the drop of a hat..Cincy also hasn't consistently picked in the top 10 lately....

I think the people expecting the Chiefs to be ok are the ones that are use to thinking 7-9 is a bad year, odds are this team will at best win 3-5 games.

[OnTheWarpath15]

This is the one season I've ever NOT cared about wins and losses.

I just want to see individual and team improvement over the course of the season.

While I figure them to be a 4-6 win team, I'd be perfectly content with fewer wins if you could see that the team was getting better as they gained experience. Too many young players to expect much. But, if everyone pans out, and we have another draft in 2009 like 2008....2010 could be the beginnings of some great things.

I'm willing to wait.

[rambleonthruthefog]

It is easy to become a playoff game winning, superbowl team. You just have to go 4-12 a couple years and you are golden.
Just ask Arizona, Cincinatti, Detroit, Oakland etc. No problem!

its not easy for any team, any season, ever.

Colts
1998 record 3-13
1999 record 13-3

Rams
1998 record 4-12
1999 record Super Bowl Champs

Patriots
2000 record 5-11
2001 record Super Bowl Champs

again, shall i continue, or would ya'll like to continue throwin your f*gg*t azz loser comments at me?

[Mecca]

its not easy for any team, any season, ever.

Colts
1998 record 3-13
1999 record 13-3

Rams
1998 record 4-12
1999 record Super Bowl Champs

Patriots
2000 record 5-11
2001 record Super Bowl Champs

again, shall i continue, or would ya'll like to continue throwin your f*gg*t azz loser comments at me?

Show me where we have a QB that compares to those teams.....or really talent, we don't stack up to be able to do that.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Show me where we have a QB that compares to those teams.....or really talent, we don't stack up to be able to do that.

While I do agree with you, STL and NE had no idea prior to that season that Warner and Brady would become, well, Warner and Brady. It was just as much a shock to them as it would be to us if Croyle had a phenomenal year.

And no, that doesn't mean I think Croyle is either of them, before you reply...

[Mecca]

While I do agree with you, STL and NE had no idea prior to that season that Warner and Brady would become, well, Warner and Brady. It was just as much a shock to them as it would be to us if Croyle had a phenomenal year.

And no, that doesn't mean I think Croyle is either of them, before you reply...

Nah I know but even expecting that to happen is asking a ton.

Odds are we're gonna be picking top 5 again and I'm fine with that.

[Easy 6]

We're gonna roll across the AFCW like an elephant through a wheatfield...

Or, maybe we'll go 8-8/9-7.

[rambleonthruthefog]

Show me where we have a QB that compares to those teams.....or really talent, we don't stack up to be able to do that.

I'm with warpath. i'm just sayin'

quit playin' the were gonna suck no matter what card. just about every player in this league is a phenomenal athlete. parody in the league is obvious. those who say we can't are chumps. will we or not, no one knows. but don't tell me we can't before we don't. getting better is what is important not getting a top 5 or 10 pick as i stated before, and after looking at last years box scores and stats, its gonna be damn difficult to be worse.

[FAX]

We're gonna roll across the AFCW like an elephant through a wheatfield...

Or, maybe we'll go 8-8/9-7.

Something tells me we're going to have wheat in our ears.

FAX

[OnTheWarpath15]

Nah I know but even expecting that to happen is asking a ton.

Odds are we're gonna be picking top 5 again and I'm fine with that.


Me too, though I might expand that to Top 10. Never know what other teams are going to do. IIRC, the Rams finished 5-11 recently and were picking 12th or something.

[tmax63]

It's all gonna depend on the rookies. If Albert comes out and pancakes alot of the guys that line up against him, if Franklin comes in and provides an opening while everyone is watching DBowe and TG, if Dorsey turns into the beast he's expected to be etc,etc,etc. If most stumble we go 4-12, if most play well then 6-10/7-9 with big hopes for next year. If they all come out guns ablazin' they might sneak in the back door. I see 6-10 with big hopes for next year and maybe a top 15 pick in round 1.

[Mecca]

I look at the schedule and I see a few things that hurt......

The beatable teams we have are mostly on the road, that hurts, we're in the AFC, we have a NFC division that may produce 2 playoff teams and several more contenders...

If you honestly think the Chiefs are going to win games go through their schedule and show me, I'm not willing to count any road game as a win, this team has always struggled on the road and bad teams struggle extremely on the road, that Falcons game that everyone thinks can be a win can easily be a loss since it's not here.

[Easy 6]

Something tells me we're going to have wheat in our ears.

FAX

We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight in the landing fields yada, yada...

VICTORY OR GRAIN FILLED EARS!

[kcchiefsus]

I think most people here would switch teams with Arizona in the drop of a hat..Cincy also hasn't consistently picked in the top 10 lately....

I think the people expecting the Chiefs to be ok are the ones that are use to thinking 7-9 is a bad year, odds are this team will at best win 3-5 games.

I disagree. I think our floor is 4 games barring ALOT of injuries. I mean, just look at some of the games on our schedule this year:

@ Oakland- 4-12 last year
Oakland- 4-12
Miami- 1-15
@ New York- 5-11
Buffalo- 7-9
@ Denver- 7-9
Denver- 7-9
@ Atlanta- 4-12
@ Carolina- 7-9
New Orleans- 7-9

We play 10 games against teams with losing records last year. Now you can probably say most of those teams improved this year but I would say so have we. Oakland, Atlanta, Miami, and New York are teams that I really don't see being any better than us. Also, look at the rush defense for each of those teams.

Oakland- 31st
Miami- 32nd
New York- 29th
Buffalo- 25th
Denver- 30th
Atlanta- 26th
Carolina- 18th
New Orleans- 13th

Most of those teams are at the bottom of the NFL in rush defense. Granted so were we but I like our chances with a healthy Larry Johnson and an improved offensive line to run all over most of those teams.

I see no reason why we can't see a game or two improvement over last years record. I also wouldn't be surprised to see a game like last years game at San Diego where we surprise everybody and beat a team we seem to have no business beating.

[alpha_omega]

...the were gonna suck no matter what card...

But then we can all be ecstatic if it turns out that our team is actually any good.

[Mecca]

Not counting any road game as a win for a team like this......

I think New Orleans and Buffalo will rip the Chiefs a new one to be honest with you.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I look at the schedule and I see a few things that hurt......

The beatable teams we have are mostly on the road, that hurts, we're in the AFC, we have a NFC division that may produce 2 playoff teams and several more contenders...

If you honestly think the Chiefs are going to win games go through their schedule and show me, I'm not willing to count any road game as a win, this team has always struggled on the road and bad teams struggle extremely on the road, that Falcons game that everyone thinks can be a win can easily be a loss since it's not here.

I'm not that pessimistic about the road games, considering 2 of our 4 wins were on the road, against division rivals, no less.

I'll break it down this way:

No Chance: New England

Less than 25% chance: Tennesee, Tampa, New Orleans, San Diego, @ San Diego, @ Denver, @ Cincinnati

Toss up: Denver, Buffalo, @ Carolina, @ Jets, @ Oakland

Should win: Oakland, Miami, @ Atlanta

[Easy 6]

Not counting any road game as a win for a team like this......

I think New Orleans and Buffalo will rip the Chiefs a new one to be honest with you.

Why so?

I really dont get the Buffalo pick in particular.

[kcchiefsus]

I'm not that pessimistic about the road games, considering 2 of our 4 wins were on the road, against division rivals, no less.

I'll break it down this way:

No Chance: New England

Less than 25% chance: Tennesee, Tampa, New Orleans, San Diego, @ San Diego, @ Denver, @ Cincinnati

Toss up: Denver, Buffalo, @ Carolina, @ Jets, @ Oakland

Should win: Oakland, Miami, @ Atlanta

I'm even a little more optomistic than you are about some of those games. Our home record last year obviously wasn't what it was in years past but I simply cannot believe we have a less than 25% chance against teams like Tennessee, Tampa, and New Orleans in our own backyard.

[Dartgod]

Too bad if you live in the KC Metro that we'll have to find out by listening to the radio broadcast of home games.
Unless you're a "real" fan.

[Mecca]

I'm not that pessimistic about the road games, considering 2 of our 4 wins were on the road, against division rivals, no less.

I'll break it down this way:

No Chance: New England

Less than 25% chance: Tennesee, Tampa, New Orleans, San Diego, @ San Diego, @ Denver, @ Cincinnati

Toss up: Denver, Buffalo, @ Carolina, @ Jets, @ Oakland

Should win: Oakland, Miami, @ Atlanta

I think Buffalo is making the playoffs and I think Carolina is to talented to let us win I'd put them in the less than 25% mark......the others are fine other than I might move Atlanta to toss up being a road game.

[Mecca]

I'm even a little more optomistic than you are about some of those games. Our home record last year obviously wasn't what it was in years past but I simply cannot believe we have a less than 25% chance against teams like Tennessee, Tampa, and New Orleans in our own backyard.

Just so you know when New Orleans scores 20 points the game will be over, offensive heavy teams are gonna make us look real bad.

[kcchiefsus]

Not counting any road game as a win for a team like this......

I think New Orleans and Buffalo will rip the Chiefs a new one to be honest with you.

What's so great about Buffalo? Are you buying into the hype also, with Buffalo being no different than teams like Arizona, Houston, Detroit, etc. who are supposed to breakout every year? I don't buy it.

[Mecca]

What's so great about Buffalo? Are you buying into the hype also, with Buffalo being no different than teams like Arizona, Houston, Detroit, etc. who are supposed to breakout every year? I don't buy it.

They improved over the course of last season with half their roster being on IR, when you factor in who's back from IR and their schedule I see them as an 11 win team.

[Hog Rider]

Not counting any road game as a win for a team like this......

I think New Orleans and Buffalo will rip the Chiefs a new one to be honest with you.


But we could use a new one, couldn't we?

[kcchiefsus]

Just so you know when New Orleans scores 20 points the game will be over, offensive heavy teams are gonna make us look real bad.

Cincinnati was supposed to be an offensive heavy team last year and while they still got their yards they couldn't score very often on us.

I guess I just haven't given up on this team before training camp or the season has even started. For all we know the offense could be even better than anybody expects. With guys like Tony Gonzalez, Dwayne Bowe, and Larry Johnson as well as rookies like Brad Cottam, Will Franklin, and Jammal Charles we certainly have the skill position players to put up some points. It all comes down to the offensive line being improved and Croyle being better. I assume you have no faith in either of those happening.

[Mecca]

Cincy was bad in general though....the Saints are much better than that, you could see Cincy going down before that game came around.

[Deberg_1990]

It all comes down to the offensive line being improved and Croyle being better. I assume you have no faith in either of those happening.

Its a QB driven league. If Croyle improves so will the win total.

[kcchiefsus]

Its a QB driven league. If Croyle improves so will the win total.

I know. I just think it's funny that Mecca is already assuming Croyle will not make that improvement. I guess we should just wait until Mark Sanchez enters the draft to get a good quarterback.

[FAX]

Not counting any road game as a win for a team like this......

I think New Orleans and Buffalo will rip the Chiefs a new one to be honest with you.

Not so, Mr. Mecca. The Kansas City Chiefs will roll into town in a dense, whirling fog of chaff and dust, stomping into a butcherly mush all who dare cross our path, hurling our pitiable foes into the air with our giant noses, impaling both guilty and innocent alike with our enormous teeth, and spraying our backs with river water. Then, without bothering to count the bodies, we'll wade back to the bus through the urine and blood and spittle and gore and dismembered, heaving, noisome remains of our enemies. Let no man doubt the horror.

FAX

[Mecca]

Mecca got railed last year when he said the Chiefs would win 5 games.......

Even if Croyle is better look at this, LJ is declining, our best defensive player is gone.....there hasn't been "significant" improvement there's decent improvement.

[Deberg_1990]

I know. I just think it's funny that Mecca is already assuming Croyle will not make that improvement. I guess we should just wait until Mark Sanchez enters the draft to get a good quarterback.

I dont have alot of faith in Croyle either, but hes who we are stuck with so ill root for him to get better. If he sucks this year, ill be rooting for the Chiefs to draft a top QB next year.

If Croyle sucks this year through the first half of the season and hes the only part of the team thats playing bad, i firmly expect to see Huard or some other vet (Leftwich perhaps?) in there. Especially if by some miracle we still have a playoff shot.

[kcchiefsus]

Mecca got railed last year when he said the Chiefs would win 5 games.......

Even if Croyle is better look at this, LJ is declining, our best defensive player is gone.....there hasn't been "significant" improvement there's decent improvement.

LJ is declining based on what? Oh, I guess he gets the entire blame for last years performance. None of it has to do with the offensive line.

You know why Mecca gets railed? Because Mecca is a ****ing know-it-all who makes countless predictions and when he gets a couple right he loves to rub it in everybody's face.

[beach tribe]

They improved over the course of last season with half their roster being on IR, when you factor in who's back from IR and their schedule I see them as an 11 win team.

11 wins with a 3rd rnd QB? You don't say.

[Mecca]

LJ is declining based on what? Oh, I guess he gets the entire blame for last years performance. None of it has to do with the offensive line.

You know why Mecca gets railed? Because Mecca is a ****ing know-it-all who makes countless predictions and when he gets a couple right he loves to rub it in everybody's face.

Anyone with eyes can see LJ is declining he's an old RB with alot of mileage on his tires...

[JuicesFlowing]

Whether we win more games this year or not, I think this year's team will be a lot more exciting to watch. I do think they can win more than 4, given the schedule and the fact that Mike Solari is gone.

[Deberg_1990]

Anyone with eyes can see LJ is declining he's an old RB with alot of mileage on his tires...

But even you can admit if hes used properly, he can still be a highly effective back.

I mentioned in another thread that they need to limit him to 20-25 carries tops and to around 1200-1400 yards a year.

Give those extra carries and yards to Kolby and Charles. Extend his career by 3-4 years.

Tomlinson usually averages around 330 carries a year.

Probably helped him be more effective long term.

[DT58HOF]

Yummy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5ORX3TPXcI

only 1 problem she has nice boobs but her belly is almost as big as her boobs!! YUCK:deevee:

[Mama Hip Rockets]

i don't really see how the chiefs could possibly be much better this year. they traded their best player, and basically have a bunch of teenagers playing.

[Baby Lee]

I'm fine being rid of everyone we've shed [ecstatic in places, satisfied with what we got in return in . . . ahem . . other]. I'm impressed with whom we've added.

We're going to be a good team soon, how soon depends on growing pains. Shades of a mini-cowboys revival in the offing.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

we will definetly be more talented and yes better, but i dont know if Youth will translate that in more wins. But we will be better as far as talent goes.

[blueballs]

I have the same hope for your mothers ass

[RedThat]

I think the Chiefs will be just as bad as last year.

If anything, maybe a slight improvement? 5 or 6 wins thats it.

The team is just too young. A really young team will have it's share of growing pains. Young teams do make a lot of mistakes, and I expect that from the Chiefs this year.

I think having a good draft is a necessity for this franchise to improve and have some sort of foundation built for itself. Drafting a DT, and a LT are good starts, hopefully those guys will be good because those postions are key to building a good team.

I just don't see it this year. Unless Croyle surprises like Derrick Anderson did last year, and if Brandon Albert becomes the next Joe Thomas in this draft year. But those are some high odds for that to happen.

I don't like the coaching in particular. I think the overall game planning, play calling, and lack of execution in performance on the football field are what killed this team last year, and I anticipate the same thing will happen this year.

[StcChief]

Herm's Heartbreakers /FAX will keep Chief faithful guessing

[tmax63]

I think Chan Gailey solves at least 2 of the problems you foresee.

[King_Chief_Fan]

I think the Chiefs will be just as bad as last year.

If anything, maybe a slight improvement? 5 or 6 wins thats it.

The team is just too young. A really young team will have it's share of growing pains. Young teams do make a lot of mistakes, and I expect that from the Chiefs this year.

I think having a good draft is a necessity for this franchise to improve and have some sort of foundation built for itself. Drafting a DT, and a LT are good starts, hopefully those guys will be good because those postions are key to building a good team.

I just don't see it this year. Unless Croyle surprises like Derrick Anderson did last year, and if Brandon Albert becomes the next Joe Thomas in this draft year. But those are some high odds for that to happen.

I don't like the coaching in particular. I think the overall game planning, play calling, and lack of execution in performance on the football field are what killed this team last year, and I anticipate the same thing will happen this year.

and if all fails......we draft a QB to continue to build the team

[RedThat]

Maybe the Chiefs are better off getting Brett Favre?

And then next year you draft BPA.

The QB class is weak next year. But hey you never know? what do I know?:shrug:

[Nzoner]

I don't have any faith in Herm,I just hope I'm wrong because I'll gladly eat crow

[RedThat]

I don't have any faith in Herm,I just hope I'm wrong because I'll gladly eat crow

I agree with you. As a coach I don't think he can do it.

But I think he will help in the overall evaluation and scouting process? Recruiting better players out of the collegiate level.

There are some pros and cons to that. You can do draft good players out of college, but if your coach isn't that good? kinda like a catch 22?

better hope the guys the Chiefs draft are prepared up and comers. Blue chippers I'd say.

[Deberg_1990]

I agree with you. As a coach I don't think he can do it.

But I think he will help in the overall evaluation and scouting process? Recruiting better players out of the collegiate level.

There are some pros and cons to that. You can do draft good players out of college, but if your coach isn't that good? kinda like a catch 22?

better hope the guys the Chiefs draft are prepared up and comers. Blue chippers I'd say.

A good NFL head coach will surround himself with top notch assistants. Look at Super Bowl or consistant playoff winning teams. Other teams always want to raid their position coaches.

Has Herm ever really surrounded himself with top assistants???

[kcchiefsus]

Maybe the Chiefs are better off getting Brett Favre?

And then next year you draft BPA.

The QB class is weak next year. But hey you never know? what do I know?:shrug:


Things can change over the course of a year though. Nobody thought Matt Ryan was a top 5 pick a year ago. For all we know guys like Matthew Stafford, Rudy Carpenter, Curtis Painter, etc. could establish themselves as top quarterbacks.

Although hopefully Brodie Croyle does enough for us to not need one.

[kcchiefsus]

A good NFL head coach will surround himself with top notch assistants. Look at Super Bowl or consistant playoff winning teams. Other teams always want to raid their position coaches.

Has Herm ever really surrounded himself with top assistants???

What's wrong with Chan Gailey?

[RedThat]

A good NFL head coach will surround himself with top notch assistants. Look at Super Bowl or consistant playoff winning teams. Other teams always want to raid their position coaches.

Has Herm ever really surrounded himself with top assistants???

Yes he has..Dick Curl..lol

just being sarcastic there. you gotta point.

He hasn't really? Donnie Henderson is a decent defensive coordinator and so is Gun.

Hopefully Chan Gailey can be an upgrade? they're gonna need him to be.

[Deberg_1990]

What's wrong with Chan Gailey?

Nothing. At least i hope not. But hes about the biggest "name assistant" Herm has ever had.

[Bwana]

We win four games max this year, but it will be worth it in two years or so, if they can build something worth watching.

[RedThat]

Things can change over the course of a year though. Nobody thought Matt Ryan was a top 5 pick a year ago. For all we know guys like Matthew Stafford, Rudy Carpenter, Curtis Painter, etc. could establish themselves as top quarterbacks.

Although hopefully Brodie Croyle does enough for us to not need one.

You're right. Lets hope Brodie can become a good one. There gonna need him to be. But I think he is gonna need all the help he can get. I really hope Albert can be a great player for the Chiefs. They really need a top flight OLineman. LJ should improve the running game. And I even think have Chan Gailey will help do wonders for the running game.

that is a positive for a quarterback. the saying goes, a QB's best friend is a good running game, and of course a good offensive line.

*A running game will open things up for your QB. And when Brodie had time to throw the ball, he was pretty good.

[kcchiefsus]

We win four games max this year, but it will be worth it in two years or so, if they can build something worth watching.

Again, I don't see how 4 games should be our max. Not when we were sitting at 4-3 a year ago and then lost 9 straight once LJ went down. With a healthy LJ back I think we are improved at just about every position except for defensive end. I think our ceiling is 6, MAYBE 7 wins. But if I had to guess I would say 6-10 for us.

[rad]

I think we're gonna break the all-time NFL single-season record for penalties.

[kcchiefsus]

I think we're gonna break the all-time NFL single-season record for penalties.

And why is that? Herm Edwards teams are usually very disciplined teams. We are certainly not the first team to go young.

[FAX]

And why is that? Herm Edwards teams are usually very disciplined teams. We are certainly not the first team to go young.

Too many plays for negative yards will do it, Mr. kcchiefsus. If, for example, we start on the 50 and run 3 consecutive plays for a total of 150 negative yards, they'll have to spot the ball somewhere in the parking lot and that's bound to lead to delay of game.

FAX

[kcchiefsus]

Too many plays for negative yards will do it, Mr. kcchiefsus. If, for example, we start on the 50 and run 3 consecutive plays for a total of 150 negative yards, they'll have to spot the ball somewhere in the parking lot and that's bound to lead to delay of game.

FAX

What do plays for negative yards have to do with penalties?

[beach tribe]

I think if we can run the ball effectively,and stop the run, some people are in for a pleasant surprise.

[keg in kc]

I said the same thing leading into the 2007 season.

Learned my lesson.

[beach tribe]

We win four games max this year, but it will be worth it in two years or so, if they can build something worth watching.

We may end up winning that many, but it's not impossible to pull out more.

Four Max? doubt it. Fourish? Likely.

[beach tribe]

I said the same thing leading into the 2007 season.

Learned my lesson.

Yea, but we didn't run the ball effectively, or stop the run. So what lesson did you learn exactly?

[alanm]

Cincinnati was supposed to be an offensive heavy team last year and while they still got their yards they couldn't score very often on us.

I guess I just haven't given up on this team before training camp or the season has even started. For all we know the offense could be even better than anybody expects. With guys like Tony Gonzalez, Dwayne Bowe, and Larry Johnson as well as rookies like Brad Cottam, Will Franklin, and Jammal Charles we certainly have the skill position players to put up some points. It all comes down to the offensive line being improved and Croyle being better. I assume you have no faith in either of those happening.
None of those guys went to USC.

[Mecca]

None of those guys went to USC.

Hey you can't deny the fact that we could use some SC guys.

[tmax63]

I'd help her have at least one more or at least give it a shot.....

[blueballs]

rumbleonthruthefog bump night
is not looking good for rumble

[Reerun_KC]

We are worse than last year...

[FloridaMan88]

You are what your record says you are and the Chiefs record is 2-13

You can't spin it any other way

[rambleonthruthefog]

i've been called out, and fairly so. what a mess this season has been. i was duped by the averageness of the chiefs i grew to love. i blame herm more than anyone. and i'm glad to see the king has stepped down. to those of you who called me on my homerism, blow me. i'm optomistic about our future, though i would like it to be hermless. i understand if they give him next season. i won't understand if he still sucks, and they give him the whole season, again though. c'mon draft. and brock, you're still a buzzkill.

[BigChiefFan]

i've been called out, and fairly so. what a mess this season has been. i was duped by the averageness of the chiefs i grew to love. i blame herm more than anyone. and i'm glad to see the king has stepped down. to those of you who called me on my homerism, blow me. i'm optomistic about our future, though i would like it to be hermless. i understand if they give him next season. i won't understand if he still sucks, and they give him the whole season, again though. c'mon draft. and brock, you're still a buzzkill.
He's here to take his lumps-good move.

[TEX]

I actually picked the Chiefs to be WORSE than last year way back in this thread. I had them going 3-13. I knew they would be bad, but looks like they're gonna be even worse than I thought. Hard to believe when I went into the season expecting just 3 wins... :doh!:

[Bowser]

FATALITY bump.

[KCBOSS1]

Actually, I agree with the original post. I don't think that we are as bad as last year. I think that there were several games this year that could have gone the other way fairly easy. But it is what it is. Our record is worse and maybe our draft pick is higher, at least by one. I have some optimism as well. I think we need to start with the entire coaching staff....clean house. Then maybe a quarterback depending on who's available, draft or otherwise....Use LJ in the offseason to acquire some stud offensive line men. then build from the trenches out in the draft, beginning with the offensive line.

[blueballs]

Actually, I agree with the original post. I don't think that we are as bad as last year. I think that there were several games this year that could have gone the other way fairly easy. But it is what it is. Our record is worse and maybe our draft pick is higher, at least by one. I have some optimism as well. I think we need to start with the entire coaching staff....clean house. Then maybe a quarterback depending on who's available, draft or otherwise....Use LJ in the offseason to acquire some stud offensive line men. then build from the trenches out in the draft, beginning with the offensive line.

Bowe dropping the on-side kick
and possibly one in NE

[Bwana]

Again, I don't see how 4 games should be our max. Not when we were sitting at 4-3 a year ago and then lost 9 straight once LJ went down. With a healthy LJ back I think we are improved at just about every position except for defensive end. I think our ceiling is 6, MAYBE 7 wins. But if I had to guess I would say 6-10 for us.

Can you hear me now?

[Brock]

Merry Christmas Homer.