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Hammock Parties
08-09-2008, 11:30 AM
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<table><tbody><tr><td valign="top">Thursday night, the Chiefs entered the bowels of Soldier Field with a plan to win the game. This entire offseason, Kansas City pointed to this football game. Yes, it was a preseason game, but the game in Chicago was the start of the long and winding road that will have many ups and downs in 2008.
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The Chiefs entered the game with many question marks. When it was over and the score stood 24-20 in favor of Kansas City, I know Head Coach Herm Edwards was proud of his team.

This past Monday I spent the entire day with Edwards, from 5:15 a.m. until nearly 11:00 p.m. Itís something we had planned to do for nearly a year, and the timing could not have been better. My day will be chronicled in the next issue of Warpaint Illustrated the Magazine.

The sense in two-a-days leading up to the first preseason game for this football team was one of huge anticipation. I could tell after Mondayís incredible practice sessions that the Chiefs were indeed ready to play the Bears, and that theyíd probably win the contest.

Since OTAs began in May you could tell the Chiefs had put the stench of the nine-game losing streak behind them. Gone were players who were either not talented enough or no longer fit into the long-overdue youth movement.

Thursday night the Chiefs came out and outplayed the Bears in every facet of the game. In the first half the offense scored a pair of touchdowns, something it didnít accomplish often in 2007. The defense wasnít stellar, but it was solid enough to stop a Chicago offense with plenty of question marks.

The point is that the Chiefs found a way to win the game in the fourth quarter. The third-string offense was able to put together a last minute drive, and that bodes well for the future.

The Chiefs now enter their final few days in River Falls with a swagger that will do nothing but help their confidence level over the next three weeks.

What We Learned:

QB Damon Huard (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698859) - With his solid performance against the Bears, the Chiefs passed on former New York Jets quarterback Chad Pennington (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3684215), as the Miami Dolphins swooped in and offered Pennington a two-year, $11 million contract. With those numbers, the Chiefs were wise to stick with Huard. That money can be used elsewhere in 2009.

QB Tyler Thigpen - During camp he threw interceptions, and his day in Chicago started the same way, but in the end he redeemed himself by connecting with wide receiver Bobby Sippio (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698873) for the game winner. Thigpen has talent and guts, qualities you want in a young quarterback. Heís nothing close to Brodie Croyle (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698850), but has a chance to blossom into a solid backup.

WR Maurice Price - Itís hard to believe, but at the moment heís sixth on the depth chart. The Chiefs wonít carry more than five wide receivers and one of those spots is reserved for sixth-round draft pick Kevin Robinson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3724380), who should make his training camp debut this week. Price has been stellar since OTAs began. His touchdown catch late in the second quarter was a continuation of his development. Price is still a long shot but if he continues to play well he could steal a roster spot.

LB Derrick Johnson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698860) - That was an All-Pro performance for a man the Chiefs are counting on. In watching DJ the last week in River Falls, it dawned on me that he might be one of those players who just doesnít practice well. But when the lights come on, his game elevates. When you listen to Gunther Cunningham get on him in practice, youíd think he wasnít all that good, but Thursday he was all over the field. The linebackers are going to be the key for the success of this defense and Johnson appears ready to take that next step.

FB Mike Cox (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3074394) - I donít think there is much question that the former Georgia Tech Yellow Jacket will be KCís opening day starter at fullback. He and Chris Manderino are battling, but Cox has really turned it on this past week. He reminds me a little of Boomer Grigsby (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3654419), but heís a better blocker and runs routes out of the backfield more fluidly. The Chiefs need a thumper and Cox appears to be that guy.

K Connor Barth (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3267000) - If there is a leader in KCís kicking battle it has to be the kid from North Carolina. Barth and Nick Novak (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3140251) are competing but to me the youngster is winning. Edwards has an ace in the hole in veteran John Carney (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3495817), who is sitting at his San Diego home waiting for the phone to ring, but sooner or later like they did with their young quarterback, the Chiefs have to find a youthful kicker whoís nails in crunch time and can kick the ball into the end zone. Barth just might be that guy.

Quick Hits:

DT Glenn Dorsey (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3722647) - He will be back at practice this week and likely will make his Chiefs debut next Saturday against the Arizona Cardinals. The Chiefs need his presence in the middle of the defensive line. Against the Bears, KCís front four wasnít all that great and if this defense is going to improve Dorsey has to lead.

LB Oliver Hoyte (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2982079) - In less than a week, Hoyte moved from fullback to linebacker and looks like heís been playing the position his entire life. With Napoleon Harris (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698857) injured and on the outs with the coaching staff, Hoyte has come out of nowhere and likely has played his way onto the 53-man roster.

RB Kolby Smith (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698874) - Heís another of the walking wounded but will be back on the practice field this week. Though Jamaal ďThe Texas CometĒ Charles has been rock solid the last week or so and Oklahoma State standout Dantrell Savage (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3049240) continues to shine, the Chiefs need Smith back in the lineup. He offers experience and the ability to carry the load in the running game if Larry Johnson is hurt or needs a breather.

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Mecca
08-09-2008, 11:40 AM
Maurice Price should be ahead of most of the WR's it looks like...

OnTheWarpath15
08-09-2008, 11:42 AM
Maurice Price should be ahead of most of the WR's it looks like...

Agreed.

Did Webb even suit up?

I don't remember him ever being targeted for a pass if he did...

Hammock Parties
08-09-2008, 11:42 AM
Agreed.

Did Webb even suit up?

I don't remember him ever being targeted for a pass if he did...

Webb caught a couple passes. Big one from Huard.

OnTheWarpath15
08-09-2008, 11:43 AM
Webb caught a couple passes. Big one from Huard.

Ah, you're right. I now remember the one where he got down inside the 10 and seemed pissed he didn't break the tackle and score.

My mistake.

rtuimauga
08-09-2008, 11:48 AM
Agreed.

Did Webb even suit up?

I don't remember him ever being targeted for a pass if he did...

If I remember right, Webb caught 2 big passes late in the fourth to help get us down field.

Mecca
08-09-2008, 11:50 AM
If I remember right, Webb caught 2 big passes late in the fourth to help get us down field.

Those were in the 2nd.

Hammock Parties
08-09-2008, 11:51 AM
That's right, Mecca. Eat that crow. It tastes good. Eat it.

Mr. Arrowhead
08-09-2008, 11:52 AM
Did Darling play? I know for a fact he didnt catch anything

Hammock Parties
08-09-2008, 11:53 AM
Did Darling play? I know for a fact he didnt catch anything

The first team offense was only on the field for two possessions.

Devard Darling is awesome and you're going to love him.

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-09-2008, 11:55 AM
It is f*cking embarrassing to root for a team that is so inept it can't find linebackers or fullbacks and needs to convert them.

Hammock Parties
08-09-2008, 11:59 AM
It is f*cking embarrassing to root for a team that is so inept it can't find linebackers or fullbacks and needs to convert them.

Meh, we have a true fullback this year. Hoyte was also a true fullback but requested the move. The Chiefs granted it, they didn't initiate it.

Mecca
08-09-2008, 12:00 PM
Eat what crow........

I think you should tell me Brackenridge is good again after what I saw in that game.

the Talking Can
08-09-2008, 12:01 PM
It is f*cking embarrassing to root for a team that is so inept it can't find linebackers or fullbacks and needs to convert them.

why?

we knew we had more holes to fill then possible coming into the year....this is no surprise....

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-09-2008, 12:06 PM
why?

we knew we had more holes to fill then possible coming into the year....this is no surprise....

Moving professional football players from offense to defense is pretty damned sad. The Boomer Grigsby experiment was an embarrassment. Then again, he was picked up by personnel genius Bill Parcells ;)

Mecca
08-09-2008, 12:08 PM
Moving professional football players from offense to defense is pretty damned sad. The Boomer Grigsby experiment was an embarrassment. Then again, he was picked up by personnel genius Bill Parcells ;)

Parcells rules!

Direckshun
08-09-2008, 12:23 PM
Hoyte's always been a LB, I thought. It was the Cowboys that converted him to FB...

I will say that I liked what I saw out of Cox. I think he's a solid checkdown option. He needs to work on his blocking assignments but I only noticed him screwing the pooch once.

By the way, I can only see good things from WR coach Eric Price. We've sucked at that position for an extremely long time, and Price has found a way to develop the route-running of virtually every WR on this team.

If we continue to see improvement from this corps, I believe he could take over for Gailey when the time comes...

Hammock Parties
08-09-2008, 12:26 PM
If we continue to see improvement from this corps, I believe he could take over for Gailey when the time comes...

I speculated on that front a few months ago...definitely an intriguing possibility.

http://kan.scout.com/2/724537.html

Coogs
08-09-2008, 12:55 PM
WR Maurice Price - Itís hard to believe, but at the moment heís sixth on the depth chart. The Chiefs wonít carry more than five wide receivers and one of those spots is reserved for sixth-round draft pick Kevin Robinson


I'm not so sure I wouldn't try and just let Robinson slip onto the practice squad. Let Savage and Charles do most of the returns, and let Price battle it out for a WR spot. Dude looks pretty good. No one has seen Robinson, so I can't imagine any team wanting to give up a top 53 roster spot on an unseen 6th round draft pick.

Hammock Parties
08-09-2008, 12:56 PM
Well if Robinson is as good as he's supposed to be they want him on the field returning kicks. So far no one has stood out. Charles did have a good KO return Thursday tho.

Coogs
08-09-2008, 01:00 PM
Well if Robinson is as good as he's supposed to be they want him on the field returning kicks. So far no one has stood out. Charles did have a good KO return Thursday tho.

Oh I understand that, but I can not see where an injured player has a roster spot wrapped up. Especially a 6th rounder. From what I understand, Savage just started fielding punts and KO's this past week.

And I would assume Robinson and Merritt could be PUP possibilities as well considering the amount of time they have missed.

MGRS13
08-09-2008, 01:01 PM
Moving professional football players from offense to defense is pretty damned sad. The Boomer Grigsby experiment was an embarrassment. Then again, he was picked up by personnel genius Bill Parcells ;)
Yea the patriots suck

HolmeZz
08-09-2008, 01:06 PM
In less than a week, Hoyte moved from fullback to linebacker and looks like he’s been playing the position his entire life.

Probably because he has. Linebacker is his real position and it's what he played in college. He moved to fullback to try and make the Cowgirls roster.

More brilliant analysis from the folks at Warpaint.

el borracho
08-09-2008, 01:12 PM
I admit I have never seen Robinson play but his 40 time is horrible (worse than our 6'8" TE, IIRC). On paper, he wouldn't strike me as a lock for the roster. If he is hurt and others are maximizing their opportunities then they, not he, should make the team. We have a roster full of young WRs and RBs; I'm pretty sure we can find someone to do the returns.

chiefsngop
08-09-2008, 01:17 PM
Probably because he has. Linebacker is his real position and it's what he played in college. He moved to fullback to try and make the Cowgirls roster.

More brilliant analysis from the folks at Warpaint.

Warpaint is exactly how I wound up on this site. After reading their stuff I kept thinking "damn me and my fellow fans seem to have better insight on whats going on with this team and the players". Jumped on this forum and bingo !, much more accurate, insightful, and up to date info for the most part.

OnTheWarpath15
08-09-2008, 01:18 PM
I admit I have never seen Robinson play but his 40 time is horrible (worse than our 6'8" TE, IIRC). On paper, he wouldn't strike me as a lock for the roster. If he is hurt and others are maximizing their opportunities then they, not he, should make the team. We have a roster full of young WRs and RBs; I'm pretty sure we can find someone to do the returns.

Not to mention, it makes more sense to keep guys on the roster that can be used in multiple roles.

You know Charles is going to make the team, and would make more sense to use him for kickoff returns, IMO - instead of a guy in Robinson that would never see the field as a WR take a roster spot just to return kicks.

I'd prefer to only carry 4 true specialists:

Barth
Colquitt
Darche
Sams


That gives someone like Price the opportunity to make the roster if they earn it, instead of being pushed out over a guy who's only job is to return kicks.

Baby Lee
08-09-2008, 01:21 PM
Moving professional football players from offense to defense is pretty damned sad. The Boomer Grigsby experiment was an embarrassment. Then again, he was picked up by personnel genius Bill Parcells ;)

Troy Brown.

J Diddy
08-09-2008, 01:24 PM
Troy Brown.

didn't deion play both

Skip Towne
08-09-2008, 01:28 PM
Jerad Allen, Refrigerator Perry

Boris The Great
08-09-2008, 01:42 PM
Warpaint is exactly how I wound up on this site. After reading their stuff I kept thinking damn me and my fellow fans seem to have better insight on whats going on with this team and the players. Jumped on this forum and bingo !, much more accurate, insightful, and up to date info for the most part.

I like some of the writers Warpaint has, but I cannot take Athan seriously anymore. Who comes out after a preseason game and says, yeah, I could tell from watching practice four days beforehand that they were probably going to win. Did he watch the Bears practice and compare the two? What if the Bears practice was twice as good as ours had been?

The problem is that I really dont think he knows much about football. I read his analysis of things and there is always something in there that is just so monumentally dumb that I wonder how the rest of the staff can tolerate him. And he is also a homer to the Nth degree, which doesnt help at all.

RustShack
08-09-2008, 02:10 PM
Not to mention, it makes more sense to keep guys on the roster that can be used in multiple roles.

You know Charles is going to make the team, and would make more sense to use him for kickoff returns, IMO - instead of a guy in Robinson that would never see the field as a WR take a roster spot just to return kicks.

I'd prefer to only carry 4 true specialists:

Barth
Colquitt
Darche
Sams


That gives someone like Price the opportunity to make the roster if they earn it, instead of being pushed out over a guy who's only job is to return kicks.

Robinson can do more than Sams, Robinson can actually play some WR... Sams can't play any other position. Also for whoever said keep Savage, why keep an extra RB when we can just keep an extra WR who can be a better returner... It makes a lot more sense to keep Robinson instead of Sams and/or Savage. Yeah I like Savage, but I like LJ Charles and Smith more... I would probably even keep Battle over Savage. One of those two if not both those RB's will probably be placed on the Practice Squad though.

OnTheWarpath15
08-09-2008, 03:16 PM
Robinson can do more than Sams, Robinson can actually play some WR... Sams can't play any other position. Also for whoever said keep Savage, why keep an extra RB when we can just keep an extra WR who can be a better returner... It makes a lot more sense to keep Robinson instead of Sams and/or Savage. Yeah I like Savage, but I like LJ Charles and Smith more... I would probably even keep Battle over Savage. One of those two if not both those RB's will probably be placed on the Practice Squad though.

Robinson CAN play WR, but he WON'T Play WR. He's just not going to be good enough.

And if his ass doesn't get off the training table and on the field soon, he won't be playing ANY position for this team.

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-09-2008, 03:17 PM
Robinson CAN play WR, but he WON'T Play WR. He's just not going to be good enough.

And if his ass doesn't get off the training table and on the field soon, he won't be playing ANY position for this team.

There's no reason to hand a roster spot to a 6th rounder who has done nothing.

OnTheWarpath15
08-09-2008, 03:20 PM
There's no reason to hand a roster spot to a 6th rounder who has done nothing.

We are in total agreement.

Warrior5
08-09-2008, 04:19 PM
I like some of the writers Warpaint has, but I cannot take Athan seriously anymore. Who comes out after a preseason game and says, yeah, I could tell from watching practice four days beforehand that they were probably going to win. Did he watch the Bears practice and compare the two? What if the Bears practice was twice as good as ours had been?

The problem is that I really dont think he knows much about football. I read his analysis of things and there is always something in there that is just so monumentally dumb that I wonder how the rest of the staff can tolerate him. And he is also a homer to the Nth degree, which doesnt help at all.

Goatse response in 3, 2, 1.....

Hammock Parties
08-09-2008, 04:21 PM
Nah, I don't have to respond to every tard who rips on Warpaint. I'm confident in our product. Haters gotta hate...

Hootie
08-09-2008, 04:51 PM
Nah, I don't have to respond to every tard who rips on Warpaint. I'm confident in our product. Haters gotta hate...

Yeah but that Hoyte thing is laughable...

You have to admit it...

"it's like he's been playing that position all his life" when he actually has...

Hammock Parties
08-09-2008, 04:53 PM
Yeah but that Hoyte thing is laughable...

You have to admit it...

"it's like he's been playing that position all his life" when he actually has...

I knew someone would probably misinterpret that. The guy was a fullback last year, not a linebacker. Therefore it's an accurate statement.

Hootie
08-09-2008, 04:55 PM
I knew someone would probably misinterpret that. The guy was a fullback last year, not a linebacker. Therefore it's an accurate statement.

I certainly didn't know Hoyte was once a linebacker...and I am 99% sure Athan didn't know either, or he wouldn't have written that given his past history...and I'm 99% sure you didn't know either or you wouldn't have let it go through so everyone here could pile up on your boy.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad
08-09-2008, 04:58 PM
"The Texas Comet"? :Lin:

Hammock Parties
08-09-2008, 04:58 PM
I certainly didn't know Hoyte was once a linebacker...and I am 99% sure Athan didn't know either, or he wouldn't have written that given his past history...and I'm 99% sure you didn't know either or you wouldn't have let it go through so everyone here could pile up on your boy.

Whatever. I really don't care. Hoyte's been nothing but a fullback in the NFL until now.

Mecca
08-09-2008, 05:01 PM
The implication of that statement was that he'd never been a LB before there's no way to spin that.

Hammock Parties
08-09-2008, 05:02 PM
The implication of that statement was that he'd never been a LB before there's no way to spin that.

Wow, you guys will reach for anything to trash Nick. Sad.

We've known for months he played linebacker previously. Here's proof:

http://kan.scout.com/2/733469.html


The Chiefs may have missed out on their top free agent targets, but filled a position of need late Friday night by claiming fullback Oliver Hoyte (6-3, 252) off waivers from the Dallas Cowboys.

Hoyte, who originally entered the NFL as an undrafted free agent in 2006, was a middle linebacker in college at North Carolina State. The Dallas Cowboys converted him to fullback, where he played sparingly in 2006 and 2007 on offense, starting eight games. He also contributed on special teams.

Hoyte has his own website, at www.oliverhoyte.com
(http://www.oliverhoyte.com/)

Mecca
08-09-2008, 05:06 PM
Then how about in the article it says "Hoyte who returned to the position he played in college" or "original position" that would sound alot better than giving this implication that the guy just started playing LB.

Hootie
08-09-2008, 05:06 PM
that's cool and all, I have nothing against Nick and I come to WPI's defense when it's warranted, but the way he worded that was just ridiculous...

Hammock Parties
08-09-2008, 05:06 PM
Because WPI sucks, bro. High five!!!!

kregger
08-09-2008, 05:09 PM
I'd prefer to only carry 4 true specialists:

Barth
Colquitt
Darche
Sams



From the game the other night Sams had better start showing something or his ass is on the outs. Both Charles and Savage showed more return skills than Sams.

Skip Towne
08-09-2008, 05:12 PM
Wow, you guys will reach for anything to trash Nick. Sad.

We've known for months he played linebacker previously. Here's proof:

http://kan.scout.com/2/733469.html


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Nick does a good job of trashing himself. He's a jerk. Everybody knows it.

Hootie
08-09-2008, 05:16 PM
I would cut Sams, personally...

Keep Robinson or Sams...not both.

Mecca
08-09-2008, 05:17 PM
I would cut Sams, personally...

Keep Robinson or Sams...not both.

Yea it would be pretty worthless to keep both of them......but they this team will probably keep several other worthless guys also.

beach tribe
08-09-2008, 05:32 PM
I would dump B.J. Drummond.., I mean Sams.

Hootie
08-09-2008, 06:01 PM
Yea it would be pretty worthless to keep both of them......but they this team will probably keep several other worthless guys also.

I would keep the rookie...Sams isn't a gamebreaker anymore and has hit his ceiling...we're young, might as well see if Robinson has anything to offer...our return game can't be any worse than last year.

BigRock
08-09-2008, 06:25 PM
I read his analysis of things and there is always something in there that is just so monumentally dumb that I wonder how the rest of the staff can tolerate him

"It won't matter what the Chiefs do on the defensive line if they don't improve at cornerback first" - Erroneous Nick prior to the draft.