What if the Chiefs defense is for real?

[KCJohnny]

In all the attention given to the QB injury/controversy, and the (much merited) scrutiny of the Chan Gailey offense, our Kansas City Chiefs registered a significant achievement in Foxboro on Sunday: they held the defending AFC Champs to 17 points at home.

To put that in perspective, the 2007 Patriots averaged nearly 38 ppg (closer to 40+ at home) while rewriting the NFL record book. Granted, all-world and future HOF QB Tom Brady went down in the first half, but the young Chiefs defense performed commendably by any metrics.

This offense will struggle throughout the season to find its identity (they want to run the ball), its stars (LJ is featured but he might not even be the best RB in KC) and it's leader (questions continue to plague the Croyle experiment). However, this team may turn out to have an ascendent defense with budding stars.

Giving up 17 on the road to the most prolific offense in NFL history with or without Tom Brady is significant; few teams outside the champion NYGs achieved that in 2007. The struggling offense will eventually live up to Gailey's rock solid record as an offense that delivers wins (11 playoff appearances in 14 years of coaching). In the meantime, a young, hungry, Gunther Cunningham-led defense may quietly assert itself among the league's elite units. Maybe.

What does all this mean? For me it means that "win now" might actually be the best approach for this young, talented team. The 2007 Packers were one of the youngest teams in the league but led by a crafty old vet QB they scrapped and clawed their way into the NFC championship game. I would take the Chiefs defense over the GB unit any day.

The season is long and filled with surprises. With our collective expectations admittedly lowered this season, we may be surprised by this team after all.

KCJohnny
:arrow:

[The Bad Guy]

The offense without Tom Brady isn't prolific at all.

In fact, it's not even top 10 in the NFL.

The defense did play well, but still gives too many big plays.

[MOhillbilly]

the D was decent in the second half. the d line has to play better.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Case and point, the 50 yarder to Moss on 3rd and 12 from the one inch line...they seemed surprised that the throw would be to Moss...:hmmm:

But we did look better on the whole, a lot faster. And it WAS Surtain getting burned on that play, not Flowers.

[Mecca]

They had their ups and downs, downs mostly relating to Pat Thomas....they scored 17 with Matt Cassel they become a very bland offensive team that will probably score between 17-20 points a game.

[KCJohnny]

Its week 1 with several new/young players. This D will mature and gel over the 2008 campaign. Brady or no Brady, NE at home is a force. I am not a big fan of cover 2 which is sometimes soft between the 20s, but KC's RZ defense was among the NFL's best in 2007 and I look for that to continue or improve. This unit is just getting started.

[Mecca]

You just devalued the NFL MVP, congrats that might take the cake for retarded post.

[KCJohnny]

You just devalued the NFL MVP, congrats that might take the cake for retarded post.

You devalued the most prolific TD-scoring WR in the NFL for a single season. Now who's post is retarded?

[Mecca]

You devalued the most prolific TD-scoring WR in the NFL for a single season. Now who's post is retarded?

A great receiver is nothing without a QB to get him the ball and he still put up 100 plus and a TD on us with a damn backup QB, that is nothing to be proud of.

[KCJohnny]

A great receiver is nothing without a QB to get him the ball and he still put up 100 plus and a TD on us with a damn backup QB, that is nothing to be proud of.

Brady was once the NE back up QB. Kurt Warner entered NFL duty as a replacement for an injured QB.

Randy Moss is Randy Moss, but please, continue down this road.

If you read the thread starter topic, the issue was POINTS ALLOWED. Giving up 17 on the road is commendable no matter who you are playing. For the Chiefs defense, the games just get easier from here.

[Mecca]

For the love of God.....just have some pie.

[banyon]

A great receiver is nothing without a QB to get him the ball and he still put up 100 plus and a TD on us with a damn backup QB, that is nothing to be proud of.

That's pretty easy to tell, too, when you just look at Moss's prior year stats with the Raiders.

[Hammock Parties]

I think KCJ may have a point here. I was expecting the young corners to get beat multiple times. They didn't. Carr covered Gaffney well on the first drive. Hali even got great pressure on Brady once.

The defensive tackles were outstanding. So were the safeties. I was encouraged overall.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I'm with Johnny, One play lost us that game, we let them off the hook when we had them pinned at the two inch line, damn that made me sick. Our D is gonna be special this year. and after watching Aaron Rodgers and Jay Cutler last night, jeez we need a QB something fierce. Croyle is a waste of time.

[Mecca]

I'm with Johnny, One play lost us that game, we let them off the hook when we had them pinned at the two inch line, damn that made me sick. Our D is gonna be special this year. and after watching Aaron Rodgers and Jay Cutler last night, jeez we need a QB something fierce. Croyle is a waste of time.

Like Pat Thomas special? Or Gunthers retarded glasses special?

I have a hard time believing a team with blah ends and a blah pass rush no MLB and a crap DC is gonna be special.

[Fat Elvis]

Brady was once the NE back up QB. Kurt Warner entered NFL duty as a replacement for an injured QB.

Randy Moss is Randy Moss, but please, continue down this road.

If you read the thread starter topic, the issue was POINTS ALLOWED. Giving up 17 on the road is commendable no matter who you are playing. For the Chiefs defense, the games just get easier from here.

Granted, all-world and future HOF QB Tom Brady went down in the first half, but the young Chiefs defense performed commendably by any metrics.


Dude, you've become so pathetically contrarian you can't even agree with the topics you've started.....

[KCJohnny]

I'm with Johnny, One play lost us that game, we let them off the hook when we had them pinned at the two inch line, damn that made me sick. Our D is gonna be special this year. and after watching Aaron Rodgers and Jay Cutler last night, jeez we need a QB something fierce. Croyle is a waste of time.

:clap:

The whole point is that this D went on the road and did a commendable job against a 2008 probable playoff team. Huard had us within tying reach with a minute to go (Bowe's drop was not Damon's fault). The Chiefs D will see most of their games as much easier than this one.

For the first time since McGlockton was here we have some inside push. The DBs are doing a good job and there is a lot of youth on the field - they will only get better.

The glass is half full.

[Mecca]

The Chiefs play the Saints this year and the Chargers twice.....it's not getting easier.

[Reerun_KC]

I still cant believe that we just let them throw out of their own endzone with ease...

That was the back breaker of the game.. We lose Croyle and Horrid comes in.... I jsut about puked at that point...

[Fat Elvis]

7:27 into the first quarter:

Brady: 7/11 for 76 yards

The Pats had 2 lost fumbles, one of which was unforced.

Brady was on track for a 500 or 600 yard game. That is awesome.

[The Bad Guy]

I still cant believe that we just let them throw out of their own endzone with ease...

That was the back breaker of the game.. We lose Croyle and Horrid comes in.... I jsut about puked at that point...

Damn. I was hoping you shot yourself when that happened.

[The Bad Guy]

7:27 into the first quarter:

Brady: 7/11 for 76 yards

The Pats had 2 lost fumbles, one of which was unforced.

Brady was on track for a 500 or 600 yard game. That is awesome.

But, Brady was a backup earlier in his career./KCJohnny.

[KCJohnny]

7:27 into the first quarter:

Brady: 7/11 for 76 yards

The Pats had 2 lost fumbles, one of which was unforced.

Brady was on track for a 500 or 600 yard game. That is awesome.

By that calculation, Devard Darling was on a pace to roll up 350 receiving yards had he caught 5 passes.

:rolleyes:

[Mecca]

I enjoy how this thread makes it seem like Tom Brady and Matt Cassel are exactly the same.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I enjoy how this thread makes it seem like Tom Brady and Matt Cassel are exactly the same.


Would you shuddup!

[The Bad Guy]

By that calculation, Devard Darling was on a pace to roll up 350 receiving yards had he caught 5 passes.

:rolleyes:

Brady was passing at will against this defense.

Darling had ONE catch.

You are disgraceful with your NFL knowledge.

[KCJohnny]

I enjoy how this thread makes it seem like Tom Brady and Matt Cassel are exactly the same.

I enjoy how this thread makes the Patriots' record setting offense losing Brady into the 1-15 2007 Dolphins.

What if the Chiefs' defense is for real?

[Fat Elvis]

I enjoy how this thread makes the Patriots' record setting offense losing Brady into the 1-15 2007 Dolphins.

What if the Chiefs' defense is for real?

Backup QB, 3rd and 11 at the 1/2 yard line.....

[KCJohnny]

3rd and 11 at the 1/2 yard line....

Allowing only 17 ppg on the road is a recipe for victory. Look it up. The last time the Chiefs won a SB they allowed 177 points over 14 games. Oh, and did you know a back up QB played most of the season that year? As did the 1971 champs (Colts), the 1973 (Dolphins) Champs and others that put great defenses on the field.

[Reerun_KC]

Allowing only 17 ppg on the road is a recipe for victory. Look it up. The last time the Chiefs won a SB they allowed 177 points over 14 games. Oh, and did you know a back up QB played most of the season that year? As did the 1971 champs (Colts), the 1973 (Dolphins) Champs and others that put great defenses on the field.
Go Team! Rah Rah Rah...

Your not really serious are you?

I know we want to run the ball, Control the clock, play defense, keep it close and steal one at the end...

Problem with that KCJohnny, is that 31 other teams want to pass/run you off the scoreboard. You know Arena stuff, stuff that actually wins championships. The days of FG's win championships are long gone buddy... KCJohnny, Herm and staff Welcome to 2008...

[Fat Elvis]

Allowing only 17 ppg on the road is a recipe for victory. Look it up. The last time the Chiefs won a SB they allowed 177 points over 14 games. Oh, and did you know a back up QB played most of the season that year? As did the 1971 champs (Colts), the 1973 (Dolphins) Champs and others that put great defenses on the field.


Whew! What a relief! The Chiefs D only needs to allow 34% fewer points per game over a 14 game period to be championship caliber.....

I'm glad the game of football hasn't changed in the last 34-36 years (err, excuse me, 39 years if we are looking at the LAST Chiefs championship season).

[Fat Elvis]

Damn it Johnny, you have me so excited about this year's defense that I'm going to rip my sleeves off and go kick a field goal.

[KCJohnny]

Go Team! Rah Rah Rah...

Your not really serious are you?

I know we want to run the ball, Control the clock, play defense, keep it close and steal one at the end...

Problem with that KCJohnny, is that 31 other teams want to pass/run you off the scoreboard. You know Arena stuff, stuff that actually wins championships. The days of FG's win championships are long gone buddy... KCJohnny, Herm and staff Welcome to 2008...

You're funny!
The score-score-score plan was tried here 2001-2005. Where were you? This team is being built with a dominant defense and a ball-control offense. And I will not apologize for citing references of championship teams from 40 years ago. Football is football, and no team with a weak defense no matter how powerful their offense wins the whole enchilada.

The topic of this thread is "what if the Chiefs DEFENSE is for real?"

The topic invites posters to consider the possibility that this defense might be special. All you negative wags are just so much noise. The question is valid, the premise is valid, the Chiefs are valid contenders for a surprising season.

[Dartgod]

Allowing only 17 ppg on the road is a recipe for victory.
We averaged 14.1 ppg last season. What have you seen from this offense that indicates that we will better that?

[KCJohnny]

We averaged 14.1 ppg last season. What have you seen from this offense that indicates that we will better that?

Please

read

thread

topic.

Thank you.

[Dartgod]

Please

read

thread

topic.

Thank you.
So I'm only supposed to respond to the thread starter and none of the asinine posts you make afterwards?

OK, then. No. I don't think this defense will be "special" this year. Our LB corps ar too weak. I would hope that our D-line and secondary improve as the season progresses, but I see nothing to indicate that they will even come close to dominating this season.

[KCJohnny]

So I'm only supposed to respond to the thread starter and none of the asinine posts you make afterwards?



Dude, do you really think your rude and acrimonious posts deserve a serious, reasoned response?

:spock:

[Baby Lee]

Go Team! Rah Rah Rah...

Your not really serious are you?

I know we want to run the ball, Control the clock, play defense, keep it close and steal one at the end...

Problem with that KCJohnny, is that 31 other teams want to pass/run you off the scoreboard. You know Arena stuff, stuff that actually wins championships. The days of FG's win championships are long gone buddy... KCJohnny, Herm and staff Welcome to 2008...

ROFL ROFL ROFL - how many Conference championships and SBs were won by a late FG in the past few years?
Why do I know the name Vinatieri?

[Reerun_KC]

You're funny!
The score-score-score plan was tried here 2001-2005. Where were you? This team is being built with a dominant defense and a ball-control offense. And I will not apologize for citing references of championship teams from 40 years ago. Football is football, and no team with a weak defense no matter how powerful their offense wins the whole enchilada.

The topic of this thread is "what if the Chiefs DEFENSE is for real?"

The topic invites posters to consider the possibility that this defense might be special. All you negative wags are just so much noise. The question is valid, the premise is valid, the Chiefs are valid contenders for a surprising season.


Okay, We have LB corp that is weak as shit... Our best LB disappears for plays, hell even games at a time.. Edwards is old as shit and the rest just basically suck ass..

Our vaunted DL cant get a push with just 4, therefore we have to blitz with our LB's or Safetys.

Our secondary is young(going to get burnt, then make a great play), except for Surtain and Mc Graw.. WTF is McGraw even on the Team? Other than Herms wife is best friends with his?

So will the be something special? I think they will be between a 15 -20 range when the season is over... Why you ask that low? Because they dont have the players and star power to control a game and keep other teams from wanting to play arena ball. This is not a team that can beat every one 12-6. As much as the "true fans" would love to see the FG's bonanza on sundays. The rest of the NFL could care less...

So no the wont be something special, just average at best...

[Dartgod]

Dude, I got nuthin'

:spock:
Fixed it...

[KCJohnny]

ROFL ROFL ROFL - how many Conference championships and SBs were won by a late FG in the past few years?
Why do I know the name Vinatieri?

I think a fella named Tynes hit an important game-winner last year..

but that may be one of my asinine posts.

[the Talking Can]

In all the attention given to the QB injury/controversy, and the (much merited) scrutiny of the Chan Gailey offense, our Kansas City Chiefs registered a significant achievement in Foxboro on Sunday: they held the defending AFC Champs to 17 points at home.

To put that in perspective, the 2007 Patriots averaged nearly 38 ppg (closer to 40+ at home) while rewriting the NFL record book. Granted, all-world and future HOF QB Tom Brady went down in the first half, but the young Chiefs defense performed commendably by any metrics.

This offense will struggle throughout the season to find its identity (they want to run the ball), its stars (LJ is featured but he might not even be the best RB in KC) and it's leader (questions continue to plague the Croyle experiment). However, this team may turn out to have an ascendent defense with budding stars.

Giving up 17 on the road to the most prolific offense in NFL history with or without Tom Brady is significant; few teams outside the champion NYGs achieved that in 2007. The struggling offense will eventually live up to Gailey's rock solid record as an offense that delivers wins (11 playoff appearances in 14 years of coaching). In the meantime, a young, hungry, Gunther Cunningham-led defense may quietly assert itself among the league's elite units. Maybe.

What does all this mean? For me it means that "win now" might actually be the best approach for this young, talented team. The 2007 Packers were one of the youngest teams in the league but led by a crafty old vet QB they scrapped and clawed their way into the NFC championship game. I would take the Chiefs defense over the GB unit any day.

The season is long and filled with surprises. With our collective expectations admittedly lowered this season, we may be surprised by this team after all.

KCJohnny
:arrow:


logic called, it said it was going to find you and kick your ass....

[Reerun_KC]

ROFL ROFL ROFL - how many Conference championships and SBs were won by a late FG in the past few years?
Why do I know the name Vinatieri?


Fair enough, but did they play all the regular season/playoff games with the agenda of keeping in close and winning at the end?

You know what I am talking about Mr Lee...

[KCJohnny]

Thanks for the enlightened and polite discourse, KCJ. Football is a great sport and I appreciate the informed dialogue.

FYP

[Dartgod]

as·i·nine
Pronunciation:\ˈa-sə-ˌnīn\
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Etymology: Latin asininus, from asinus ass
Date: 15th century

1 : extremely or utterly foolish

Thinking that our defense holding an opponent (with a backup QB less experienced than Croyle) to 17 points some how makes our defense "special" is the very definition of asinine. Nothing rude about that.

[KCJohnny]

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[Dartgod]

mo·ron
Pronunciation:\ˈmȯr-ˌän\
Function: noun
Etymology: irregular from Greek mōros foolish, stupid
Date: 1910

1. One that is too stupid to format their posts for ease of reading.

[jspchief]

We have a lot of young athletic players. Other than the LBs, there's no reason to not be optimistic about this defense.

The D-line is 3 new starters, with the 4th guy playing in a new spot. Two 1st rounders, a 2nd rounder, and a 3rd rounder. Thinking this line could come together and be great is not a pipe dream.

I don't think the LBs will be a huge liability if the secondary and D-line play well. I wouldn't be surprised if this defense was playing very well by year's end.

[KCJohnny]

mo·ron
Pronunciation:\ˈmȯr-ˌän\
Function: noun
Etymology: irregular from Greek mōros foolish, stupid
Date: 1910

1. One that is too stupid to format their posts for ease of reading.

ROFL

I'll call Elmo and Big Bird for you.

;)

[KCJohnny]

We have a lot of young athletic players. Other than the LBs, there's no reason to not be optimistic about this defense.

The D-line is 3 new starters, with the 4th guy playing in a new spot. Two 1st rounders, a 2nd rounder, and a 3rd rounder. Thinking this line could come together and be great is not a pipe dream.

I don't think the LBs will be a huge liability if the secondary and D-line play well. I wouldn't be surprised if this defense was playing very well by year's end.

Exactly. Defensive success is measured in points allowed. We are in great shape for 2008.

[Baby Lee]

Fair enough, but did they play all the regular season/playoff games with the agenda of keeping in close and winning at the end?

You know what I am talking about Mr Lee...

If you're talking Pats, it certainly seemed that way until last year, particularly early on as they were establishing themselves, and particularly when the stakes were high. The tuck game, bewildering the Rams.
Heck, even the high flying 99 Rams played the close game in the NFC championship and SB.

[Dartgod]

Exactly. Defensive success is measured in points allowed. We are in great shape for 2008.
Not necessarily. We have a chance to lay the foundation for defensive success in 2009 and beyond. This defense will NOT be in the top 15 or so defenses with our weak LB corps.

As I said before (which was apparently rude of me to say :rolleyes: ), its asinine say that holding an inexperienced QB to 17 points is a measure of success for our defense. Especially when our weak offense can only muster 10 points and our unimproved offense only averaged 14 ppg last year.

[KCJohnny]

If you're talking Pats, it certainly seemed that way until last year, particularly early on as they were establishing themselves, and particularly when the stakes were high. The tuck game, bewildering the Rams.
Heck, even the high flying 99 Rams played the close game in the NFC championship and SB.
:clap:

[Reerun_KC]

If you're talking Pats, it certainly seemed that way until last year, particularly early on as they were establishing themselves, and particularly when the stakes were high. The tuck game, bewildering the Rams.
Heck, even the high flying 99 Rams played the close game in the NFC championship and SB.
Then we are right on course for a championship run this year! Our non circus offense is in playoff form...

Do we go ahead and print'em now or should we wait a couple of weeks...

[Reerun_KC]

Not necessarily. We have a chance to lay the foundation for defensive success in 2009 and beyond. This defense will NOT be in the top 15 or so defenses with our weak LB corps.

As I said before (which was apparently rude of me to say :rolleyes: ), its asinine say that holding an inexperienced QB to 17 points is a measure of success for our defense. Especially when our weak offense can only muster 10 points and our unimproved offense only averaged 14 ppg last year.
Doesnt matter, its all about defense. Our is special, and you dont need to score points to win, just keep in close and HOPE you can steal that ol ball game in the end...

[KCJohnny]

Not necessarily. We have a chance to lay the foundation for defensive success in 2009 and beyond. This defense will NOT be in the top 15 or so defenses with our weak LB corps.

As I said before (which was apparently rude of me to say :rolleyes: ), its asinine say that holding an inexperienced QB to 17 points is a measure of success for our defense. Especially when our weak offense can only muster 10 points.

Its not fair to limit the Pats' record NFL offense to the achievments of only 1 player.

Your prognostication that the '08 Chiefs D will be bad because of the LB corps is premature. 10 points on the road against a perfect 16-0 team is not something to be ashamed of. We were in a position to send the game into overtime had (a) Bowe caught Huard's first pass or (b) the ref correctly called PI on the 4th down attempt to Bowe.

[Baby Lee]

Then we are right on course for a championship run this year! Our non circus offense is in playoff form...

Do we go ahead and print'em now or should we wait a couple of weeks...

I honestly don't get it. Marty was mediocre because he was successful in the regular season, but got overmatched or had bad bounces in big games.

But the guys who go into the inevitible close game and still manage to pull out a victory don't have the right approach either, even if they win the SB?

So now the only metric for success in the NFL is crushing every opponent and never having to play a close game?

If that's the case then yeah, the Chiefs are a long way from success.

Seems like we had a team capable of what you're espousing in 2003, what came of that?

[Dartgod]

Its not fair to limit the Pats' record NFL offense to the achievments of only 1 player.

Your prognostication that the '08 Chiefs D will be bad ...
I never said they were going to be bad. They are improved and I like the path we are headed down. But good offensive teams will exploit our weaknesses (weak LBs, inexperienced DL and secondary). This D is a year or two away from dominating...assuming we can continue to draft like we did this year.

[jspchief]

There's more reason to think the D will get better as the season goes on than reason to think we will get worse.

I don't put a lot of stock in what they did at NE. It was just "ok" in my opinion. My hopes for the D are based more on what I believe their potential is than what they did in a single game.

One thing to consider... how much did Brady play in the pre-season? Cassel is no Tom Brady, but he probably has been working with the first team quite a bit this year. And that offense has a lot of good players. There are probably some positives to take from that game.

[Reerun_KC]

the Chiefs are a long way from success.

Seems like we had a team capable of what you're espousing in 2003, what came of that?
Your right baby lee, with the current GM and HC, we are a llllooooooonnnnnnnngggggg way from being successful in the modern NFL...

I guess the same thing came of that 2003 team as did the team you are describing in 2006.... Nothing...

All the points in 03 and the play to lose in 06, just wasnt the right recipe...

[Dartgod]

All the points in 03 and the play to lose in 06, just wasnt the right recipe...
Martyball, Vermiel, Herm...

If we could just put our finger on the common denominator of all these failed attempts, we will be on our way to fixing this franchise. :hmmm:

[RealSNR]

I love how Mecca goes around saying Oakland has a great defense because of their secondary. Kansas City's secondary on Sunday was the best I've seen it since the days of Marty. Yet Kansas City's D is "mediocre" because we've got a young inexperienced D line and Pat Thomas. And Oakland has WHAT else on their defense???

[StcChief]

Well with Chokeland and Atlanta ahead, good chance for experience and confidence building. Dungver will be the test.

[Reerun_KC]

Martyball, Vermiel, Herm...

If we could just put our finger on the common denominator of all these failed attempts, we will be on our way to fixing this franchise. :hmmm:


Martyball, Vermiel, Herm = Carl Peterson......

gotta start at the top...

[Fat Elvis]

Its not fair to limit the Pats' record NFL offense to the achievments of only 1 player.



What part of Most Valuable Player is it that you don't comprehend?

Granted, all-world and future HOF QB Tom Brady went down in the first half

[OnTheWarpath15]

I can't believe we're having a conversation about a defense "being for real" when they just gave up 5 yards per carry to Lawrence Maroney and Sammy Morris behind a banged-up OL...

:shake:

[Lzen]

I am encouraged by that game. However, it was against their backup QB. I will reserve judgment until we are a few games into the season. The future is definitely bright on the defensive side. Hell, even the offense has some young stars. We just need a better coaching staff.

[Brock]

I think they will get better as the year goes on, simply because it's a young team. I see several bumps in the road ahead though.

[Reerun_KC]

I can't believe we're having a conversation about a defense "being for real" when they just gave up 5 yards per carry to Lawrence Maroney and Sammy Morris behind a banged-up OL...

:shake:
Moral Victories baby!

[Dartgod]

We just need a better coaching staff.
This.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Moral Victories baby!

Maybe, just maybe, we'll get to play the Saints without Brees, the Chargers, without Rivers, the Donks without Cutler, etc.

Then, maybe, we could be a Top 10 defense!

:doh!:

[Fat Elvis]

We just need a better general manager.

FYP.

[Reerun_KC]

FYP.
Then we lose our veteran playoff coaching staff with a sub .500 record...

[Lzen]

FYP.

That too.

[Ultra Peanut]

99-yard drive. Backup quarterback. Pat Thomas.

[Reerun_KC]

99-yard drive. Backup quarterback. Pat Thomas.
Our special defense is the career day defense..

[Chief Henry]

I'm with Johnny, One play lost us that game, we let them off the hook when we had them pinned at the two inch line, damn that made me sick. Our D is gonna be special this year. and after watching Aaron Rodgers and Jay Cutler last night, jeez we need a QB something fierce. Croyle is a waste of time.

I want to be a beleaver of what you and KCJ are saying. Im skeptical.
I did see some things I liked . Our defense did do enough for us to win the game except for one play. Our coach's have to let the players have the chance to make a play...having said that, Bowe was given the chance to make plays and he failed when we NEEDED him to make the PLAY.
I would think the coach's would have let Brody do a few more things like Play action and bootlegs. A couple of those kind of plays shold have worked
against New England. :cuss: dammitt now I'm irritated allover again at
what happened Sunday.

[Chief Henry]

In all the attention given to the QB injury/controversy, and the (much merited) scrutiny of the Chan Gailey offense, our Kansas City Chiefs registered a significant achievement in Foxboro on Sunday: they held the defending AFC Champs to 17 points at home.

To put that in perspective, the 2007 Patriots averaged nearly 38 ppg (closer to 40+ at home) while rewriting the NFL record book. Granted, all-world and future HOF QB Tom Brady went down in the first half, but the young Chiefs defense performed commendably by any metrics.

This offense will struggle throughout the season to find its identity (they want to run the ball), its stars (LJ is featured but he might not even be the best RB in KC) and it's leader (questions continue to plague the Croyle experiment). However, this team may turn out to have an ascendent defense with budding stars.

Giving up 17 on the road to the most prolific offense in NFL history with or without Tom Brady is significant; few teams outside the champion NYGs achieved that in 2007. The struggling offense will eventually live up to Gailey's rock solid record as an offense that delivers wins (11 playoff appearances in 14 years of coaching). In the meantime, a young, hungry, Gunther Cunningham-led defense may quietly assert itself among the league's elite units. Maybe.

What does all this mean? For me it means that "win now" might actually be the best approach for this young, talented team. The 2007 Packers were one of the youngest teams in the league but led by a crafty old vet QB they scrapped and clawed their way into the NFC championship game. I would take the Chiefs defense over the GB unit any day.

The season is long and filled with surprises. With our collective expectations admittedly lowered this season, we may be surprised by this team after all.

KCJohnny
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KCJ... I really wan to be a beleaver in the team. Its just that Carl is still
there and he torks me off. Wecould have won that game with a little more
offensive production. Lets hope the D is something that we can be proud of. It sure doesn't look like the offense will. But if Bowe makes the catch,
we might be singing a deifferent tune today.

[Micjones]

I'm excited about this young defense. I think they can be something special as they grow and mature. I'd like to see Surtain's time decreased significantly as the season goes along though. He's hit a wall.

Add in a fresh new MLB in April, a couple OLB's through the Draft/FA, and some DE depth...
You might really have something on your hands defensively.

[Pablo]

99-yard drive. Backup quarterback. Pat Thomas. Jon McGrawFYP.

[triple]

you forgot what, 5.0 YPC?

[DaKCMan AP]

Johnny's a dumbass. Same shit, different day.

[Chief Henry]

Johnny's a dumbass. Same shit, different day.

WHy are you an azzhat ?


KCJ is a fan and wants the chiefs to win as much as any one. Why don't you go crall under a pile of Seminole horse crap instead of talking shit about KCJ.

[Ultra Peanut]

WHy are you an azzhat ?


KCJ is a fan and wants the chiefs to win as much as any one. Why don't you go crall under a pile of Seminole horse crap instead of talking shit about KCJ.Chief Henry is a dumbass. Same shit, different day.

[suds79]

To put that in perspective, the 2007 Patriots averaged nearly 38 ppg (closer to 40+ at home) while rewriting the NFL record book. Granted, all-world and future HOF QB Tom Brady went down in the first half, but the young Chiefs defense performed commendably by any metrics.

That's about it right there.

Minus Dante Stallworth & a HOF QB to a guy who never has started in college or the pros is a pretty significant drop off.

[Chief Henry]

[QUOTE=Ultra Peanut;4998962 Ultra Peanut is a dumbass. Same shit, different day.[/QUOTE]

:shake: fixed your post for you. KCJ is a great guy and I'll stick up for him any day.

[Reerun_KC]

That's about it right there.

Minus Dante Stallworth & a HOF QB to a guy who never has started in college or the pros is a pretty significant drop off.
And we still gave up a 99 yard TD drive to that guy...

[QuikSsurfer]

KCJ... I really wan to be a beleaver in the team.

I want to be a beleaver of what you and KCJ are saying. Im skeptical.

Not trying to be a dick but this worried me.

It's spelled "believe(r)"

[dirk digler]

I can't believe we're having a conversation about a defense "being for real" when they just gave up 5 yards per carry to Lawrence Maroney and Sammy Morris behind a banged-up OL...

:shake:

Yep. This D will never be good unless we have a strong front 7 and we probably have one of the worst front 7 in the NFL.

[Dartgod]

Not trying to be a dick but this worried me.

It's spelled "believe(r)"
Shhhhhh.

He's trying to use subliminal messaging to get KCJ to "be leaving" this site.

[Brock]

Chief Henry is a dumbass. Same shit, different day.

BELEAVE IT

[CoMoChief]

By that calculation, Devard Darling was on a pace to roll up 350 receiving yards had he caught 5 passes.

:rolleyes:

How?

Darling didn't do shit until the very last drive of the game.

[Hammock Parties]

Yep. This D will never be good unless we have a strong front 7 and we probably have one of the worst front 7 in the NFL.

Uh, not even close.

Our front seven is decent. Not great, not horrible. I'd say they're slightly above average. The defensive tackle rotation is pretty good, ends are lacking.

[DaKCMan AP]

WHy are you an azzhat ?


KCJ is a fan and wants the chiefs to win as much as any one. Why don't you go crall under a pile of Seminole horse crap instead of talking shit about KCJ.

Crall? I can't understand you while KCJ's dick is in your mouth. You also shouldn't try to type while giving KCJ a reach around.

[Chiefnj2]

If the defense doesn't come into its own by the end of this season then Herm should be fired since that is the area of the ball he has focussed on his first 3 years.

[kcxiv]

I think this defense will be for real. I think they will lapse at time, but they are young guys and playing very well. At least in the first game. IMO they can only get better.

[Chief Henry]

Crall? I can't understand you while KCJ's dick is in your mouth. You also shouldn't try to type while giving KCJ a reach around.

One wonders why people jerks. They must be born that way. KCJ is good guy, I dont' think I could say that about you or Brock.

[Brock]

One wonders why people jerks. They must be born that way. KCJ is good guy, I dont' think I could say that about you or Brock.

Please just shut up. You sound like a complete retard when you post.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Henry, use a fuggin spell check.

[Chief Henry]

Please just shut up. You sound like a complete retard when you post.


f u k you. You sound like a complete asshole when you post.

[Brock]

Brilliant comeback, mouthbreather. :drool:

[Chief Henry]

Brilliant comeback, mouthbreather. :drool:

your mom wears army boots :D

[keg in kc]

The defense shows potential and will only get better.

Whereas John Proctor is the same moron he's always been.

[dirk digler]

Uh, not even close.

Our front seven is decent. Not great, not horrible. I'd say they're slightly above average. The defensive tackle rotation is pretty good, ends are lacking.

I disagree. They only have 2 players in the front seven that could start on any other team and that is DJ and Dorsey. The rest are average to below average especially our LB's.

[RustShack]

I think Hali, Donnie, and Williams would be able to start for at least one other team too...

[RustShack]

I think Napolian Harris could even find one more starting job in the NFL.

[Fairplay]

Respect the military. See what boot camp is like civilian.
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[Fairplay]

We're serious in the military. You civilians need us on that wall, you need us on that border.
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[The Bad Guy]

So guys in the military aren't allowed to be goofing off?

[Hammock Parties]

I disagree. They only have 2 players in the front seven that could start on any other team and that is DJ and Dorsey. The rest are average to below average especially our LB's.

Hali would start on plenty of teams. So would Tank Tyler and Donnie Edwards.

Anyway, calling our front seven one of the worst in the league is FAR from accurate. I'd take our front seven over Denver's and Oakland's.

[Mecca]

I love how Mecca goes around saying Oakland has a great defense because of their secondary. Kansas City's secondary on Sunday was the best I've seen it since the days of Marty. Yet Kansas City's D is "mediocre" because we've got a young inexperienced D line and Pat Thomas. And Oakland has WHAT else on their defense???

Whoa Whoa, I said Asomugha was a great player, that is as far as that went. I don't see why people misinterpret what I say.

Their defense is not good, they have a damn good corner, just because I said 17-14 doesn't mean I think their D is great as much as I think the Chiefs offense is horrible.

[Fairplay]

So guys in the military aren't allowed to be goofing off?



Goofing off is cool. Join the Military.

[Hammock Parties]

Whoa Whoa, I said Asomugha was a great player, that is as far as that went. I don't see why people misinterpret what I say.

Their defense is not good, they have a damn good corner, just because I said 17-14 doesn't mean I think their D is great as much as I think the Chiefs offense is horrible.

You do realize we just put 284 yards on the Patriots, on the road, right?

At home, against a terrible defense, I think we can put up at least 300 yards. Given the state of their offense that should set us up for multiple touchdowns. I'm actually SLIGHTLY encouraged that our running game isn't going to completely suck since we put up 100 on the Patriots Sunday. Last year we would have gotten 50, like that god-awful Jacksonville game.

[Mecca]

Yards doesn't always relate to points especially with Herm and his FG love.

[Hammock Parties]

WHAT IF THE PROPHECY IS TRUE?

*insert image of Gunther's face inside the Harry Potter crystal ball*

Yards doesn't always relate to points especially with Herm and his FG love.

I see this game like the Niners game from 2006. The defense is going to set up the offense on their side of the 50 at least 2-3 times. Russell might throw a pick six.

You'd have a point on the red zone thing if their run defense wasn't GOD AWFUL.

[SAUTO]

Yards doesn't always relate to points especially with Herm and his FG love.

BUT its better than NO yards, at least we moved the ball somewhat

[plbrdude]

Please just shut up. You sound like a complete retard when you post.

how do you hear him when he posts?

[HolyHandgernade]

I picked up the Chiefs D this week against the Raiders and decided to start them over New England's D. It increased my projected points total by 3. And, since we all know fantasy projections translate well into actual performance (because, let's faceit, there's money on fantasy games), the Chiefs D must be for real. :D

-HH

[Warrior5]

You do realize we just put 284 yards on the Patriots, on the road, right?

At home, against a terrible defense, I think we can put up at least 300 yards. Given the state of their offense that should set us up for multiple touchdowns. I'm actually SLIGHTLY encouraged that our running game isn't going to completely suck since we put up 100 on the Patriots Sunday. Last year we would have gotten 50, like that god-awful Jacksonville game.

While I agree with you, didn't you post a virtual aneurysm on Monday about the Chiefs being the same %$#9@ing team as last year?

Yet here you sing their praises for bringing the Patriots down to the wire. Last year's team would've been lucky to leave Foxborough with three first downs and a field goal.

So is it the same team as last year, or is it actually better?

[Hammock Parties]

While I agree with you, didn't you post a virtual aneurysm on Monday about the Chiefs being the same %$#9@ing team as last year?

Yet here you sing their praises for bringing the Patriots down to the wire. Last year's team would've been lucky to leave Foxborough with three first downs and a field goal.

So is it the same team as last year, or is it actually better?

Yeah, it was a knee jerk for sure.

We're better. I don't think last year's team would have managed 60 yards rushing against NE.

[Ebolapox]

define 'for real.'

I think we have potential. but we're a great middle 'backer and a ten plus sack DE away from dominating (plus, maybe ensuring the other DT (not dorsey) is solid, and the secondary is solid. which I think is highly possible with our young talent)

[Warrior5]

Yeah, it was a knee jerk for sure.

We're better. I don't think last year's team would have managed 60 yards rushing against NE.

Now that I agree with.:thumb:

I also think our boys are gonna bring it against the Thugs on Sunday.

[alanm]

A great receiver is nothing without a QB to get him the ball and he still put up 100 plus and a TD on us with a damn backup QB, that is nothing to be proud of.
He had a great 1st half with both NE QB's. I don't even recall hearing his name the whole 2nd half.

[alanm]

Not necessarily. We have a chance to lay the foundation for defensive success in 2009 and beyond. This defense will NOT be in the top 15 or so defenses with our weak LB corps.

As I said before (which was apparently rude of me to say :rolleyes: ), its asinine say that holding an inexperienced QB to 17 points is a measure of success for our defense. Especially when our weak offense can only muster 10 points and our unimproved offense only averaged 14 ppg last year.
Dart, We finished 13th last year in total defense with worse personnel. I'm crazy enough to think we can do as well and maybe a little better.

[jjchieffan]

A great receiver is nothing without a QB to get him the ball and he still put up 100 plus and a TD on us with a damn backup QB, that is nothing to be proud of.

I disagree. Great wide receivers have made many mediocre QB's look Great. Moss made Culpepper, and any other QB Minnesota had look great. Jerry Rice and Tim Brown made a very mediocre Rich Gannon a pro bowler. I know there are others. You say he is discounting the value of Brady. I say you are discounting Belicheck and the rest of the team. Tell me this Mecca. Do you think the Patriots score more or less than 17 this week against the Jets? Do you think the Jets will beat them?

[KCJohnny]

define 'for real.'

I think we have potential. but we're a great middle 'backer and a ten plus sack DE away from dominating (plus, maybe ensuring the other DT (not dorsey) is solid, and the secondary is solid. which I think is highly possible with our young talent)

For real = the kind of defense that plays every team hard, that forces turnovers, that forces punts, that limits TOP, that can stop the run when it counts, and that gives up a limited amount of big plays.

When GC had the talent (as on a balanced team, not a Ramifized, O-heavy build), the Chiefs set an NFL record for consecutive games not giving up a TD in the 2nd half. The Chiefs gave up just 241 points in 1995 and 235 in 1997. Gun's Chiefs helped Marty to a staggering +128 (I might be off a point or two) TO ratio for the 1990s.

If this defense is for real, then BucBall has a chance. Then FGs do matter. Then a vet QB like Huard can help us win now.

Lots of ifs, I know. But the jury is still out. Clearly the trajectory of the defense since Herm Edwards arrived is ascendant.

[KCJohnny]

I was wrong in my hubris. The Chiefs D can bounce back, but giving up 300 yards to a team who's passing attack couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel is a humiliation of biblical proportions.

This D needs to get a real MLB if we are going to stay with the Tampa 2 scheme.

I think many of us owe an apology to Mike Mazlowski after this game.

[Dartgod]

...giving up 300 yards to a team who's passing attack couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel is a humiliation of biblical proportions.
Yep.

[Reerun_KC]

I think many of us owe an apology to Mike Mazlowski after this game.
I miss him, he was the only player I remember that could lead a team with tackles 10 yards or more down the field...

[KCJohnny]

I miss him, he was the only player I remember that could lead a team with tackles 10 yards or more down the field...

The guy had a heart as big as a galaxy. Good hitter/tackler, too.

[Reerun_KC]

What if the Chiefs defense is for real?

Um, There not.... ROFL