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Hammock Parties
09-09-2008, 08:49 PM
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After battling each other for three years in the SEC, former Arkansas, now Oakland Raiders running back Darren McFadden will see a familiar face this weekend in former LSU, now Kansas City Chiefs defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey. Scout.com's Chris Steuber reviews the Chiefs and Raiders rivalry as well as McFadden and Dorsey's history in this new Head 2 Head feature.

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If you’re sitting down, you don’t realize the magnitude of the situation. An outcry of support circulates throughout the stadium where over 79,000 are draped in red and providing positive reinforcement towards their squad.
A huddle develops on the sideline; a discussion ensues as the coaching staff contemplates a decisive decision. In a situation where the team is down by three, the ball is at the one-yard line and only five seconds remain on the clock, do you go for the tie, or do you gamble and roll the dice for the win?

This was the occurrence during the Kansas City Chiefs (http://kan.scout.com/) and Oakland Raiders (http://oak.scout.com/) matchup in 2005 when Larry Johnson scored the game-winning touchdown as he dove over the Raiders defensive front to give the Chiefs a 27 – 23 victory with no time remaining.

The Chiefs and Raiders rivalry is a historic tradition that goes back to the 1960’s, and although the games have been close, the Chiefs have the overall series lead, 50-42-2.

The two storied franchises haven’t had much success recently, and this past April they realized the reality of their current status among the other 30 teams in the NFL, as they held selections in the top-five of the NFL Draft.
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The Raiders were awarded the fourth pick overall and selected Arkansas (http://arkansas.scout.com/)’ all-world offensive weapon Darren McFadden (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3723388), while the Chiefs were granted the fifth pick and selected LSU (http://louisianastate.scout.com/)’s defensive terror Glenn Dorsey (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3722647). The irony of McFadden and Dorsey ending up in the same division after competing against each other in the same conference for the last three years seems fitting.

Since 2005, McFadden and Dorsey have faced one another three times, and in those three games, the average defeat (a total of nine points) was by a three-point margin.

As a true freshman during the 2005 season, McFadden was thrown into the fire against LSU, who was ranked No. 3 in the country at the time. McFadden showed flashes of brilliance at a young age and had 24 carries for 57 yards and a touchdown in that game. Dorsey, who was only a sophomore and finished the game with two tackles, was a situational player and played sparingly. Thanks to McFadden, Arkansas kept the game close and gave the Tigers a scare, but LSU pulled out the victory, 19 – 17.

In 2006, McFadden and Dorsey were a part of two top-ten teams (No. 5 Arkansas and No. 9 LSU) and were entrenched as two of the nation’s most dominant players. Arkansas had the makings of a National Championship team, and with a win over LSU, they would have had tremendous confidence heading into the SEC Championship game against Florida (http://florida.scout.com/). But just like the year prior, LSU had Arkansas’ number and upset them at home, 31 – 26, despite McFadden’s 182 yards on 21 carries and two touchdown performance. Arkansas had a chance at the end, but Dorsey, who finished with six tackles, and the Tigers’ defense stepped up and held off a potential comeback.

Prior to the loss to LSU, Arkansas was on a 10-game winning streak, which started after their humiliating 50 - 14 season opening loss to USC (http://usc.scout.com/). The loss to LSU was so devastating to Arkansas that they finished the season on a three-game losing streak, which included their losses to Florida in the SEC Championship and Wisconsin (http://wisconsin.scout.com/) in the Capital One Bowl.

The most recent contest took place last season when No. 1 LSU hosted Arkansas. It was a back and forth affair that featured some of the nation’s top talent, and it was a chance for Arkansas to get revenge on LSU for what happened to them the previous year. McFadden always seemed to bring his “A” game against LSU, and this game was no different, as he had 32 carries for 206 yards and three touchdowns and also threw for 34 yards and a touchdown in the Razorbacks 50 – 48 victory.

Dorsey finished with six tackles, but he and the Tigers’ defense didn’t have an answer for McFadden that day. The loss to Arkansas was LSU’s second defeat of the season (finished 12 – 2), but they still ended up being crowned National Champions, as they defeated Ohio State (http://ohiostate.scout.com/). Even though Arkansas got their revenge, LSU celebrated in the end.

Looking ahead to this weekend, a new rivalry between McFadden and Dorsey begins. It’s the start of many to come, as they figure to be intrical parts of their respective franchises for the foreseeable future.
McFadden offers plenty of skills to the Oakland offense, skills that Dorsey is well aware of, but it will be up to the Chiefs’ defensive unit and coaching staff to collectively contain one of the newest offensive threats in the NFL.

McFadden is a dynamic threat who has the ability to take it to the house on any given down. He’s an instinctive runner who has great vision and awareness. He locates running lanes, allows his blockers to set up in front of him and displays a tremendous burst through the line. He’s a shifty, elusive runner who can turn the corner and switch on the jets, making defenders miss in the open field. He’s a good receiver out of the backfield and provides a reliable target for the quarterback. He has the unique talent to lineup in the backfield, out wide, in the slot or behind center. He’s a defensive coordinator’s nightmare.

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The game plan for the Chiefs when McFadden is in the game will be to force the action to the inside. McFadden is most dangerous on the edge, and if they’re able to contain the perimeter, Dorsey and the defensive front will cause problems for No. 20. Dorsey will have to combat with former first-round pick Robert Gallery (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3684004) in the trenches, and while Gallery is a very good pass protector and an improved run blocker, Dorsey will have the upper-hand.
Dorsey is an explosive interior defender who defends the run and rushes the passer extremely well. He plays low to the ground, gets underneath the opposition and uses his strength to get in the backfield. He diagnoses the action quickly and shows a good burst tracking down ball carriers. He has great balance and uses his hands well to shed blocks. He stands his ground fighting double teams and wedges between blockers to make plays. He’s rarely off his feet and displays good quickness in pursuit. He moves well laterally and gets penetration up the middle. He plays with a high motor and is a leader on defense.

The Chiefs and Raiders lost during Week 1, but they’re young teams with bright futures. Dorsey and McFadden have the ability and the expectations of leading their franchises for many years, and the rivalry they endured in college will only intensify in the NFL.

This Sunday, a storied rivalry continues, while another is revisited.


A member of the Pro Football Writers of America and the Football Writers Association of America, Chris Steuber has provided his analysis of the NFL and NFL Draft prospects on the web and on the radio since 1999. Steuber’s features are published across the Scout.com network and on FoxSports.com. If you wish to contact Chris Steuber, email him at: csteuber@scout.com.

OnTheWarpath15
09-09-2008, 08:50 PM
May have to put this on hold, considering McFadden injured his shoulder last night...

Deberg_1990
09-09-2008, 08:53 PM
I thought McFadden looked decent last night. They limited his carries with Fargas being in there. The Raiders have a decent run game.

"Bob" Dobbs
09-09-2008, 09:59 PM
Looking ahead to this weekend, a new rivalry between McFadden and Dorsey begins. It’s the start of many to come, as they figure to be intrical parts of their respective franchises for the foreseeable future.

Not to be "that guy", but WTF is "intrical"?

Hammock Parties
09-09-2008, 10:04 PM
I don't know. That guy obviously doesn't work for Warpaint.

MGRS13
09-09-2008, 10:04 PM
May have to put this on hold, considering McFadden injured his shoulder last night...

At least mcFadden had his name called which is more then I can say for Dorsey.

ExtremeChief
09-09-2008, 10:19 PM
At least mcFadden had his name called which is more then I can say for Dorsey.

If Dorsey is taking on two blockers in the middle so the outside guys can try to do something I don't care if his name ever gets called.

MGRS13
09-09-2008, 10:21 PM
If Dorsey is taking on two blockers in the middle so the outside guys can try to do something I don't care if his name ever gets called.

He was being blocked soundly by ONE player when he played sunday.

ExtremeChief
09-09-2008, 10:24 PM
He was being blocked soundly by ONE player when he played sunday.

Didn't get to see the game since I'm stuck in Minnesoooooota for a couple of months. Guess I'm just going with wishful thinking.

rtmike
09-09-2008, 10:28 PM
He was being blocked soundly by ONE player when he played sunday.

That's the same thing I seen the times I watched him. :doh!:

MGRS13
09-09-2008, 10:31 PM
That's the same thing I seen the times I watched him. :doh!:

Claythan to step in and tell us how wrong we are in 5,4,3,2,.......

Hammock Parties
09-09-2008, 10:39 PM
Look at Dorsey maul the **** out of this guard:

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/615/dorseyry8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

MGRS13
09-09-2008, 10:41 PM
Look at Dorsey maul the **** out of this guard:

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/615/dorseyry8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Still didn't make a play.

MGRS13
09-09-2008, 10:41 PM
Claythan to step in and tell us how wrong we are in 5,4,3,2,.......

Told you.

Nightfyre
09-09-2008, 10:46 PM
This author is an idiot. First of all, he doesn't know the definition of irony. Secondly, he assumes there is some rivalry between McFadden and Dorsey. Thirdly, he uses TACKLES to judge the impact of a DT. :rolleyes: When are you folks going to hire real writers?

Hammock Parties
09-09-2008, 10:48 PM
Still didn't make a play.

LOL

Dorsey is penetrating the **** out of that play. We stuffed that run for what was darn-near a safety.

blueballs
09-10-2008, 01:37 AM
Dorsey need to introduce himself to
mcfadden and mcfatass

OnTheWarpath15
09-10-2008, 05:47 AM
LOL

Dorsey is penetrating the **** out of that play. We stuffed that run for what was darn-near a safety.

People don't get it, the kid doesn't have to actually make the tackle to "make the play."

Rooster
09-10-2008, 09:59 AM
Still didn't make a play.

:doh!::doh!:

BigVE
09-10-2008, 10:15 AM
At least mcFadden had his name called which is more then I can say for Dorsey.


Maybe Herm will put Dorsey in at RB, then his name will be called for sure. To think that just because the ignorant announcers didnt call his name he didn't do anything is juvenile and ignorant. I still hear people who think that Dorsey will be the next "D.Thomas" or Jared Allen. Defensive TACKLE is an entirely different position than LB and they have entirely different objectives most of the time. Grading DT's by tackles and sacks compared to LB's is foolish.

L.A. Chieffan
09-10-2008, 10:18 AM
I predict Dorsey will have more tackles than McFadden and McFadden will have more rushing yards than Dorsey.

Looks of "Jesus ****ing Christ, my college team could whip my new team's ass" will be about equal though.

L.A. Chieffan
09-10-2008, 10:20 AM
Look at Dorsey maul the **** out of this guard:

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/615/dorseyry8.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Hey Goat, you would know because you analyze every play like the ****ing zapruder film but was there a chance we got a safety during this series?

It looked pretty ****ing close to me.

CupidStunt
09-10-2008, 12:38 PM
MGRS13 has no clue what football is about. He's the type that would draft a RB at No. 4 overall despite having a decent running game and a dogshit run defense.

Hammock Parties
09-10-2008, 06:46 PM
Hey Goat, you would know because you analyze every play like the ****ing zapruder film but was there a chance we got a safety during this series?

It looked pretty ****ing close to me.

Replays were inconclusive.

Hammock Parties
09-10-2008, 06:50 PM
The first play looks like a safety to me. Tank Tyler hits Morris in the backfield, so if Morris goes down he's down by contact. Morris has the ball in his LEFT HAND here. He appears to fall down on his ass in the end zone after Tyler hits him.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3679/snapshot20080910194204cl1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Hammock Parties
09-10-2008, 06:55 PM
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They may have given him forward progress.