Let's put all the QB talk right here

[Mecca]

Seeing how all the draft threads turn into QB talk lets use this thread as the QB draft thread....I'll start by putting up some videos.

[Mecca]

I'll start with Matt Stafford.....these are from 07, playing as a true soph in the SEC.

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[Mecca]

And these are from 06 playing as a true freshman in the SEC.

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[Fairplay]

Chase Daniels.

[Mecca]

Here's some Sam Bradford...

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[Mecca]

Now here's a vid of Bradford that concerns me....this isn't him playing look at him after the game with no pads, he has to get bigger or he'll get hurt like Croyle look at his build.

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[Mecca]

Chase Daniels.

This is a thread about legit NFL prospects son.

[Fairplay]

The next Heisman winner....Chase Daniels.

[Mecca]

There aren't any Mark Sanchez vids because he hasn't been starting long enough to amass one...

But anyway I'll add some Tebow just because I'm sure someone out there likes him.

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[Mecca]

And some Stafford vs Tebow...

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[Mecca]

The next Heisman winner....Chase Daniels.

Ok fine, just for you....

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[007]

Ok fine, just for you....

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I bet that was painful for you.:)

[Mecca]

Both entering their much-anticipated junior seasons this fall, Tim Tebow and Matt Stafford have been linked for much of the past seven years. The SEC QBs are often mentioned in the same breath, whether uttered in civilized dinner table discussions or heated sports bar debates.

As high school stars, their respective resumes read like a pig-skinned version of "Everything You Can, I Can Do Better." Tebow was Florida's Mr. Football, a participant in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl Game and a Parade All-American. Stafford, meanwhile, won the MVP and "Best Arms" awards at the 2005 EA Elite 11 Quarterback Camp, as well as the EA Sports National Player of the Year. He, like Tebow, was a Parade All-American.

When Tebow chose to attend Florida and Stafford signed his letter of intent with Georgia in the winter of 2006, their fates were sealed. They'd be pitted against each other for the next four years of their lives. On top of four dates in Jacksonville at The World's Largest Cocktail Party, they'd now be under center for opposing sides in arguably the richest rivalry in the South.

On paper, Tebow has had the more decorated college career thus far. The only sophomore to ever win a Heisman Trophy, the single-season SEC touchdown record, the nation's No. 2-ranked QB in passing efficiency last season and a key member of the 2006 BCS champion Gators squad — Tebow is quite arguably the most accomplished college football player two years into a career ... ever.

But Georgia fans will point to wins, losses and the big-game performances. And to be certain, Stafford's Bulldogs had a better season than Tebow's Gators in 2007, the first year both young men started at quarterback from start to finish.

Two seasons into his NCAA career, the Georgia QB is 17-4 as a starter, with eight of those 17 wins coming over Top 25 teams. Tebow's career record as a starter, meanwhile, is "just" 9-4. Stafford is 2-0 as a starter in postseason bowl games; Tebow is 0-1. Head to head as starters, Stafford gets the nod, as he threw for 3 touchdowns in last season's 42-30 whitewashing of the Tebow-led Gators in Jacksonville.

With Tebow the clear-cut preseason favorite to repeat and win the Heisman Trophy in 2008, Stafford looms in the distance as a relative long shot.

The kid from Dallas is not thinking about the Heisman, though. He's thinking about Georgia Southern, UGA's first opponent of the 2008 season.

"My goal is to be focused and completely prepared to play game No. 1," Stafford said. "The only thing any of us are concentrating on right now is preparing to play Georgia Southern. But our goal every year as a team is to win a national championship. "

Of course, that's not to say Tebow's exactly concerned about individual accolades, either. He's been there, done that.

When asked about the prospects of becoming just the second repeat winner of a Heisman Trophy, his response is blunt.

"I've learned that the Heisman Trophy and all the records don't really change who you are, but they do change other people's perception of you," he said. "My focus has never changed from faith, family, academics and then football — in that order.

"Our goal each year is to win the SEC East and compete for the conference title. Anything can happen from there, but you've got to focus on getting to Atlanta."

Both UGA and UF will be ranked as Top 10 teams when the polls are released this summer, with most lists likely placing the 'Dawgs in the top three and the Gators somewhere in the No. 6-10 range. Come this year's Cocktail Party on Nov. 1, an SEC East title — and quite possibly a spot in the national title game — could be at stake. Leading up to that one, the Tebow-Stafford debate will be as widespread and as heated as its ever been. An argument that's been somewhat limited to fans of the SEC should take the nation by storm throughout the week of hype leading up to the clash.

Adding another interesting wrinkle to the whole Stafford-Tebow rivalry is what's ahead for each of them. Though both players are only juniors in '08, they're widely considered the top two pro prospects at their position in the college game. In all but a few 2009 mock drafts and top prospect lists, Stafford is rated ahead of the All-American Tebow.

NFLDraftScout.com draft guru Rob Rang explains, "Tebow flashes all of the skills necessary to become a franchise quarterback — the size, arm strength, poise and work ethic — but hasn't yet proven the consistent accuracy as a downfield passer needed in the NFL."

Rang adds, "And though Stafford lacks Tebow's unique ability as a runner, he is a more polished passer. He plays in a more traditional offense that aids in his development as an NFL quarterback. This fact, combined with his greater accuracy and arm strength, makes him a better NFL prospect than Tebow at this point in their respective careers."

Those in the "Tebow will be a better pro" camp fervently disagree with those sentiments, arguing that Tebow could be a drop-back passer if he wanted, but that it's just not the nature of the Florida offense.

The Tebow-Stafford debate will rage on this fall and the rivalry will only gain more steam as the two players mature.

Yet, as much as it may disappoint the passionate fans of both programs, neither kid has a bad thing to say about the other. No, they're not best friends, playing X-Box online and writing to each other on MySpace. But they're not exactly arch-enemies either.

Tebow refers to Stafford as "a great guy," while Stafford explains, "I have always had a ton of respect for Tim and obviously he is one of the best out there. He's a really good player on the field and a good guy off of it."

Not quite the vitriol you'd imagine from lifelong rivals.

Then again, like its two protagonists, this rivalry's still very young.

I guess we'll have to just stay tuned.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Meh. Bradford is built a lot like Brady. In fact, I think he has a bigger frame. He's still only 20, and you can tell he's much thicker through the arms and shoulders than Croyle. He's listed at 218, I'd say looking at that video he's probably 210, but he could definitely get up to 220-5.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I love it when over the hill writers try to be hip.

"No, they aren't playing on X-Box Online."

ROFL.

[Mecca]

Meh. Bradford is built a lot like Brady. In fact, I think he has a bigger frame. He's still only 20, and you can tell he's much thicker through the arms and shoulders than Croyle. He's listed at 218, I'd say looking at that video he's probably 210, but he could definitely get up to 220-5.

You know I have a friend who thinks Brady was on the juice because when he was drafted he was a scrawny dude who weighed about 195lbs at 6'4 and a year later he was 220lbs.

Brady's size was something that did make him drop in the draft he was very scrawny, I do question if Bradford can carry enough weight..

I don't think that question is there with Stafford he's just a big dude.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

You know I have a friend who thinks Brady was on the juice because when he was drafted he was a scrawny dude who weighed about 195lbs at 6'4 and a year later he was 220lbs.

Brady's size was something that did make him drop in the draft he was very scrawny, I do question if Bradford can carry enough weight..

I don't think that question is there with Stafford he's just a big dude.

I would question guys with smaller frames who go to larger schools simply because they have access to phenomenal strength and training programs. Guys like Croyle and Brady really should be able to put on a decent amount of weight with those programs.

However, your body changes a lot in your early-mid 20's, so a weight gain of 8-10% isn't out of the question. FWIW, I do think Bradford could get up to a decent size. No, he won't be McNabb, but he doesn't have to be.

[Mecca]

I tend to think Bradford is a moot point though since I don't think he's coming out and playing to have the #1 pick 2 years in a row just isn't smart because it's extremely unlikely.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Stafford will be a chief!!

[Mecca]

Stafford will be a chief!!

I think you're about to get yelled at, Stafford isn't very popular around here.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

I think you're about to get yelled at, Stafford isn't very popular around here.
Im sick of people saying we need to fix our Oline first. BS, when your a rebuilding franchise you build it around a QB, Stafford has all the tools and size to be a very good QB in this league. Then you find other players and build it around him Besides our problems on the Oline on our the Right side of the line and you can fix that with rounds 2-7

[Mecca]

Im sick of people saying we need to fix our Oline first. BS, when your a rebuilding franchise you build it around a QB, Stafford has all the tools and size to be a very good QB in this league. Then you find other players and build it around him Besides our problems on the Oline on our the Right side of the line and you can fix that with rounds 2-7

We just played a team who's first pick in rebuilding was a QB, shocking to see that huh?

[Chiefnj2]

Im sick of people saying we need to fix our Oline first. BS, when your a rebuilding franchise you build it around a QB, Stafford has all the tools and size to be a very good QB in this league. Then you find other players and build it around him Besides our problems on the Oline on our the Right side of the line and you can fix that with rounds 2-7

They've had three years to do it and haven't come close to addressing it yet.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

We just played a team who's first pick in rebuilding was a QB, shocking to see that huh?
I know, how many people on here said they would just throw a fit if we selected Matt Ryan.

[Mecca]

I know, how many people on here said they would just throw a fit if we selected Matt Ryan.

To many to count but they were mostly the Brodie believers or the people who are afraid of QB's.

[Chiefnj2]

It's just a bad year for QB's.

[Mecca]

It's just a bad year for QB's.

So what do you propose we just never get a QB then?

[Chiefnj2]

So what do you propose we just never get a QB then?

It's an observation. A lot of people are jumping on the QB bandwagon even though they were diehard "best player" draft afficcianados in the past.

[Mecca]

It's an observation. A lot of people are jumping on the QB bandwagon even though they were diehard "best player" draft afficcianados in the past.

You do realize that in all likely hood Stafford is going to have a top 5 grade on him.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I tend to think Bradford is a moot point though since I don't think he's coming out and playing to have the #1 pick 2 years in a row just isn't smart because it's extremely unlikely.

I think you have a point there, but at the same time, say we totally tank this year and Herm gets shitcanned. What if a Parcells like guy comes in who is the kind of coach who can only run his system and he's a 3-4 guy? He'd **** us up so bad, we'd definitely have the #1 overall pick.

Worse, what if the Rams finish with 1 win and we do as well, but we have a better opponent's record than them and they get the #1 pick? They'd probably take Oher, Monroe, or Smith, but they may just blow it all up and take Stafford and get rid of Bulger.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

I read somewhere a couple weeks ago, that Stafford has Carson Palmer type of tools, and thats something you dont see very often

['Hamas' Jenkins]

It's just a bad year for QB's.

Stafford has a better combination of pedigree and upside than any QB in the previous two draft classes.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I read somewhere a couple weeks ago, that Stafford has Carson Palmer type of tools, and thats something you dont see very often

I don't know about that. He's got the arm strength and the build, but his mechanics aren't nearly as good as Palmer's, which were pretty much immaculate. They called him The Human Juggs Machine, and it wasn't because he liked titties. That's not to say he couldn't be Palmer, but he's not the refined product that Palmer was, who was a complete package.

[oaklandhater]

I think you're about to get yelled at, Stafford isn't very popular around here.

Yet the majority of ppl on this board cant get off of Quinn's knob.

[Mecca]

Stafford reminds me alot of Jay Cutler if you want my honest opinion.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I think you're about to get yelled at, Stafford isn't very popular around here.

I think a lot of that just stems from the fact that Bradford has a local feel to him because he's a Big 12 prospect. This fan base has always been really insular in how it regards prospects. Hell, even management was Big X, Big XII crazy in the 90's.

[Chiefnj2]

You do realize that in all likely hood Stafford is going to have a top 5 grade on him.

There is always a QB with a top 5 grade.

[Mecca]

There is always a QB with a top 5 grade.

Would you like to have Matt Ryan cause I would...good chance Stafford has a higher grade on him than Ryan did.

[Chiefnj2]

Would you like to have Matt Ryan cause I would...good chance Stafford has a higher grade on him than Ryan did.

How many underclassman QB's were drafted in the first round the last 8 or so years and how have they done in the NFL? ( I don't have the answer, I'm just curious).

[Mecca]

How many underclassman QB's were drafted in the first round the last 8 or so years and how have they done in the NFL? ( I don't have the answer, I'm just curious).

You know that is a really good question, however I'm not sure how much it completely applies to Stafford he has been starting since he was a freshman, if he starts every game this year he'll have 35 starts after his junior year is over.

[eazyb81]

I read somewhere a couple weeks ago, that Stafford has Carson Palmer type of tools, and thats something you dont see very often

That is completely accurate, despite what some on here may lead you to believe. Myself, Mecca, and others have said Stafford has elite tools and should tear up the combine, but the only question is if he takes the big step forward in production on the field.

Personally, he reminds me a lot of Eli Manning as a junior at Ole Miss. Everyone knew he had the tools to be an All Pro QB and a #1 overall pick, but we were just waiting to see him actually follow-through on it.

Stafford is barely into his junior season and plays in a fairly conservative offense, but a couple times a game he'll make passes that no one else in the country can make. The guy is a stud, and by the end of the year he will be a no-brainer top five pick.

[Mecca]

Lets also realize that even though he has Moreno he has very pedestrian WR's the first real WR he's gotten to work with is AJ Green who is a true freshman and already their best WR.

[Chiefnj2]

The next 5 weeks Georgia has a brutal schedule. We'll see if Stafford can step up consistently.

[the Talking Can]

Stafford will be a chief!!

i hope so

[Mecca]

How many underclassman QB's were drafted in the first round the last 8 or so years and how have they done in the NFL? ( I don't have the answer, I'm just curious).

OK going back here's a list of underclassmen QB's.....there aren't alot of them by the way, in no particular order. This is all of them taken in the 1st round as you see there aren't alot...

Vince Young
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Bledsoe
Mike Vick
Tim Couch
JaMarcus Russell
Tommy Maddox
Rex Grossman
Todd Marinovich
Rick Mirer
Andre Ware
Heath Shuler
Ryan Leaf
Alex Smith

Obviously a mixed list.

[eazyb81]

OK going back here's a list of underclassmen QB's.....there aren't alot of them by the way, in no particular order. This is all of them taken in the 1st round as you see there aren't alot...

Vince Young
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Bledsoe
Mike Vick
Tim Couch
JaMarcus Russell
Tommy Maddox
Rex Grossman
Todd Marinovich
Rick Mirer
Andre Ware
Heath Shuler
Ryan Leaf
Alex Smith

Obviously a mixed list.

It would be interesting to see how many QBs came out w/ just three years at school, instead of including guys that redshirted their first year like Big Ben.

[Mecca]

It would be interesting to see how many QBs came out w/ just three years at school, instead of including guys that redshirted their first year like Big Ben.

Oh great..you know how hard that is going to be to figure out....

[Chiefnj2]

OK going back here's a list of underclassmen QB's.....there aren't alot of them by the way, in no particular order. This is all of them taken in the 1st round as you see there aren't alot...

Vince Young
Ben Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Bledsoe
Mike Vick
Tim Couch
JaMarcus Russell
Tommy Maddox
Rex Grossman
Todd Marinovich
Rick Mirer
Andre Ware
Heath Shuler
Ryan Leaf
Alex Smith

Obviously a mixed list.

It is a mix. I'd say only 3 good QB's - Bledsoe, Rodgers (still undecided, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt) and Roethlisberger.

[Chiefnj2]

My primary hesitation with Stafford is his accuracy. Half of his games in 2007 he was under 55% in completion percentage.

[eazyb81]

It is a mix. I'd say only 3 good QB's - Bledsoe, Rodgers (still undecided, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt) and Roethlisberger.

And you could say the same thing for all QBs drafted in the 1st round or overall. The QB position is the biggest risk-reward gamble in the draft.

[Chiefnj2]

And you could say the same thing for all QBs drafted in the 1st round or overall. The QB position is the biggest risk-reward gamble in the draft.

3 of 15 on juniors, or 20%.

If you take senior QB's for the same time period, do you think you'd still be at 20%?

[L.A. Chieffan]

Who else can we trade from our roster for another 1st round pick? Sams?

[eazyb81]

3 of 15 on juniors, or 20%.

If you take senior QB's for the same time period, do you think you'd still be at 20%?

Probably not, but we should also take out QBs that played on teams with gimmick offenses that boosted their stock. Teams have realized by now that it is best to avoid these guys and not fall in love w/ their stats.

[Mecca]

Ok.........

Young redshirted

Roethlisberger redshirted

Rodgers did not redshirt, he played as a freshman at a junior college then transferred to Cal for his sophomore and junior seasons before leaving early.

Bledsoe I don't believe he redshirted but I'm not completely sure on this I'm going with the idea that he didn't.

Vick-redshirted

Couch-didn't redshirt

Russell-didn't redshirt

Maddox-redshirted as he left after his sophomore season

Grossman-redshirted

Marinovich-redshirted

Mirer-didn't redshirt

Ware-I don't believe he redshirted but not completely sure

Shuler-I don't believe he redshirted also not completely sure on this one

Ryan Leaf-didn't redshirt

Alex Smith-didn't redshirt

So there you go, there is the list.

[milkman]

And you could say the same thing for all QBs drafted in the 1st round or overall. The QB position is the biggest risk-reward gamble in the draft.

I am a firm believer in the old adage that goes "Without risk, there can be no reward".

[Brock]

I also like Hunter Cantwell.

[Mecca]

You have to take into account some things, a couple of those guys were gimmick offense guys, some of them were taken in the middle to the end of the round.

[Mecca]

I also like Hunter Cantwell.

I bet his stock is falling like a rock Louisville is pretty bad this year and he has very few starts under his belt over his career.

[Rausch]

Who else can we trade from our roster for another 1st round pick? Sams?

The sad thing is that trading a 1st FOR a player has worked out better than trading a player for a first.

Who's that QB (not Rogers) the Packers drafted again? How easy would he be to pry away?...

[milkman]

When you talk about QBs out of "Gimmick" offenses, one needs to look at Tennesee.

Steve McNair came out of the run and shoot, if I remember correctly, and the Oilers/Titans let him sit on the bench for a couple of years, giving him just a few meaningless snaps along the way.

He became a pretty good, albeit overrated, NFL QB.

Vince Young, on the other hand, was given the keys by the middle of his first season, and he wasn't progressing at all.


I think Tim Tebow has the physical tools to be a good NFL QB, but he'll need a couple of years to develop.

Matt Stafford is more NFL ready.

In the end, if Mark Sanchez came out early also, I'd rather have him, cause he just seems to have this indefinable quality that raises the level of play of everyone around him.

[Mecca]

The other thing here is I'm not sure how many of them had the number of starts Stafford will have after this year in 35, atleast the non redshirted guys, alot of them seem to have numbers like Leafs where they started 24 or in that range.

[chasedude]

I'm in on Stafford. He doesn't look as frail as Croyle.

[Chiefnj2]

The other thing here is I'm not sure how many of them had the number of starts Stafford will have after this year in 35, atleast the non redshirted guys, alot of them seem to have numbers like Leafs where they started 24 or in that range.

Mecca, was it ourlads or some other service that did the QB analysis and came up with # of starts and completion % as being the two most important attributes in forecasting success in the NFL?

[Mecca]

I'm in on Stafford. He doesn't look as frail as Croyle.

That's because he's probably about 40lbs heavier.

[Rausch]

Steve McNair came out of the run and shoot, if I remember correctly, and the Oilers/Titans let him sit on the bench for a couple of years, giving him just a few meaningless snaps along the way.

He became a pretty good, albeit overrated, NFL QB.

He wasn't overrated, he was run into the ground like a HB by that "Genius" Fischer.

I think Tim Tebow has the physical tools to be a good NFL QB, but he'll need a couple of years to develop.


And here I had you pegged as the BB realist/skeptic...

[Mecca]

Mecca, was it ourlads or some other service that did the QB analysis and came up with # of starts and completion % as being the two most important attributes in forecasting success in the NFL?

It's actually something they took from a thing called the Lewin projection system,The idea is hinged on the assumption that with sufficient game film, scouts can accurately determine weather or not a player has the capacity to be an early round pick. So games started becomes a big factor. Players who start relatively few games tend to have their stock skewed upwards because the scouts haven't seen as much on them, so they get sold on "Upside". This along with completion percentage goes into the projection.

The result is a system that accurately predicted that Peyton Manning would be great, and that Ryan Leaf would be a failure. It's been pretty accurate for the most part.

If you pull up freshman and sophomore stats Stafford's are pretty right in line with Jay Cutler and Carson Palmer.

[Mecca]

He wasn't overrated, he was run into the ground like a HB by that "Genius" Fischer.



And here I had you pegged as the BB realist/skeptic...

LOL in fairness here, Tebow has a strong arm, a huge body and great height, and very good mobility. He just needs to have his throwing mechanics completely changed and be given time to learn to play in a pro style system.

He's a long term project but he does have a ton of natural ability.

[ModSocks]

I hope Georgia takes care of our QBoTF. Count me in on the Stafford bandwagon

[Brock]

LOL in fairness here, Tebow has a strong arm, a huge body and great height, and very good mobility. He just needs to have his throwing mechanics completely changed and be given time to learn to play in a pro style system.

He's a long term project but he does have a ton of natural ability.

You could say the same things about Chase Daniel, except he has a more natural throwing motion.

[milkman]

He wasn't overrated, he was run into the ground like a HB by that "Genius" Fischer.

Matter of opinion.

He had a couple of big years, and the rest of his career could be best described as productive, but watching him, I just never thought he was anything to write home about.



And here I had you pegged as the BB realist/skeptic...

He's 6'3" and about 230 lbs, with a decent arm.

I wouldn't draft him, but he does have the tools.

[Mecca]

You could say the same things about Chase Daniel, except he has a more natural throwing motion.

Actually no, no amount of coaching can make Chase Daniel grow 4-6 inches.

If he was 6'3 or 6'4 he'd be talked about as a top 10 pick...of course if he was that tall he may not have ended up at Missouri or as a 3 star recruit either....but the fact remains no matter how good he is no amount of coaching can change that he's to short.

[Brock]

Actually no, no amount of coaching can make Chase Daniel grow 4-6 inches.

Height is overrated. Just give me a guy who can play.

[milkman]

You could say the same things about Chase Daniel, except he has a more natural throwing motion.

And except for that whole midget thing.

[Nightfyre]

We've been over this before: The biggest stat that correlates with NFL success is completion percentage.

This year, Sam Bradford has completed 79% of his passes, including against a tough Cinci D. Further, we will get to see him against: Kansas, Texas Tech, Texas, TCU and likely Missouri (Big 12 Championship). Other notable teams: K-State, A&M, and Oklahoma State.

The big knock on Bradford to date has been his arm strength and velocity. However, he has actually improved over the last year in that regard. He will probably never be a gunslinger, like a Stafford. But he can put the ball 50-60 yards down the field with perfect accuracy.

Also, since that second video that has you so concerned mecca, he has put on 8-10 pounds. That was just over a year ago.

For those that are comparing Stafford to Palmer: Stafford isn't even close to as accurate. That is my really big knock on him. Nearly every time Stafford throws the ball, you know his receiver is going to have to adjust to it and won't get any YAC. I would much rather have someone with the pinpoint accuracy Bradford is displaying than a gunslinger.

JMO.

[milkman]

Height is overrated. Just give me a guy who can play.

Doug Flutie

[Brock]

Doug Flutie

A closer comparison would be Drew Brees.

[Mecca]

Height is overrated. Just give me a guy who can play.

It's a real legit concern, are there any starting QB's in the league under 6'? How big are all the best QB's? Guys like Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger are all well over 6'3...

Height is a much bigger deal to the position than it's given credit for.

[Rausch]

LOL in fairness here, Tebow has a strong arm, a huge body and great height, and very good mobility. He just needs to have his throwing mechanics completely changed and be given time to learn to play in a pro style system.

He's a long term project but he does have a ton of natural ability.

Newsflash: white-athletic-mobile college QB's uncomfortable as pure passers are just as likely to bust as black-athletic-moble college QB's.

He's physically gifted, I agree, but I don't want him leading my offense...

[boogblaster]

Drafting another QB means another 2 to 3 years of ugly games .. but its the only way to completely rebuild ... Croyle is too brittle ... I like the two kids from here KUs & MUs QBs...

[Mecca]

We've been over this before: The biggest stat that correlates with NFL success is completion percentage.

This year, Sam Bradford has completed 79% of his passes, including against a tough Cinci D. Further, we will get to see him against: Kansas, Texas Tech, Texas, TCU and likely Missouri (Big 12 Championship). Other notable teams: K-State, A&M, and Oklahoma State.

The big knock on Bradford to date has been his arm strength and velocity. However, he has actually improved over the last year in that regard. He will probably never be a gunslinger, like a Stafford. But he can put the ball 50-60 yards down the field with perfect accuracy.

Also, since that second video that has you so concerned mecca, he has put on 8-10 pounds. That was just over a year ago.

For those that are comparing Stafford to Palmer: Stafford isn't even close to as accurate. That is my really big knock on him. Nearly every time Stafford throws the ball, you know his receiver is going to have to adjust to it and won't get any YAC. I would much rather have someone with the pinpoint accuracy Bradford is displaying than a gunslinger.

JMO.

Bradford is more polished and much closer to a finished product..if you have a competent coach that can teach Stafford footwork and base stuff think of what he'll be then.

Stafford is far and away more physically gifted.....Bradford is safe but I don't think he'll ever be elite....Stafford on the other hand is a bit riskier but he grew up idolizing Elway and does possess some of those skills.

[Mecca]

Drafting another QB means another 2 to 3 years of ugly games .. but its the only way to completely rebuild ... Croyle is too brittle ... I like the two kids from here KUs & MUs QBs...

They're to short.....anyone under 6' isn't a legit NFL prospect at QB.

[milkman]

A closer comparison would be Drew Brees.

Drew Brees is actually a full 6' tall, and he is an anomaly.

I'd be surprised if Daniel measures taller than 5' 10" when the NFL measures him.

[Rausch]

Matter of opinion.

He had a couple of big years, and the rest of his career could be best described as productive, but watching him, I just never thought he was anything to write home about. .

IIRC he was Co-MVP and a blown coverage away from a SB ring.

It's nothing compared to the last 12 KC QB's but it's something...

[Chiefnj2]

It's actually something they took from a thing called the Lewin projection system,The idea is hinged on the assumption that with sufficient game film, scouts can accurately determine weather or not a player has the capacity to be an early round pick. So games started becomes a big factor. Players who start relatively few games tend to have their stock skewed upwards because the scouts haven't seen as much on them, so they get sold on "Upside". This along with completion percentage goes into the projection.

The result is a system that accurately predicted that Peyton Manning would be great, and that Ryan Leaf would be a failure. It's been pretty accurate for the most part.

If you pull up freshman and sophomore stats Stafford's are pretty right in line with Jay Cutler and Carson Palmer.

I found it. It was from Footballoutsiders. The most successful NFL QB's had 35 or more starts and had a completion percentage greater than 60% in college.

[milkman]

IIRC he was Co-MVP and a blown coverage away from a SB ring.

It's nothing compared to the last 12 KC QB's but it's something...

As I said, he had a couple of good years.

The rest, he was Ok.
But not great.

[Rausch]

Drew Brees is actually a full 6' tall, and he is an anomaly.

I'd be surprised if Daniel measures taller than 5' 10" when the NFL measures him.

Ok, explain to me again why 2-4 inches can make or break a (non-porn) career.

Then explain why mobility can't overcome that.

And FTR I'm not saying I want us to draft him, only that it's a measurable like a sub-par 40 time...

[Mecca]

Well Stafford is going to be right at 35 at this end of this year......I'm curious to look at his % after this season, he did make serious strides from his freshman to sophomore year. I know people say he was shaky but he was a true Sophomore starting that's expected.

[Mecca]

Ok, explain to me again why 2-4 inches can make or break a (non-porn) career.

Then explain why mobility can't overcome that.

And FTR I'm not saying I want us to draft him, only that it's a measurable like a sub-par 40 time...

Other than alot of guys with shitty 40's have become good players where as I can't think of 1 QB under 6' tall that was ever a meaningful QB.

[Rausch]

As I said, he had a couple of good years.

The rest, he was Ok.
But not great.

I'd say 3 great years and the rest average.

I'd also argue that the average years are due to the wear and tear of constant sneaks/draws/bootlegs and whatnot but that is debatable...

[milkman]

IIRC he was Co-MVP and a blown coverage away from a SB ring.

It's nothing compared to the last 12 KC QB's but it's something...

Oh, and I'm not saying that I wouldn't trade almost every QB the Chiefs have trotted out there over the years.

I'm just saying he was somewhat overrated.

But that wasn't even the point of the post to begin with.

McNair serves as a blueprint on how to develop QBs that get drafted out of gimmick offenses.

[Nightfyre]

Bradford is more polished and much closer to a finished product..if you have a competent coach that can teach Stafford footwork and base stuff think of what he'll be then.

Stafford is far and away more physically gifted.....Bradford is safe but I don't think he'll ever be elite....Stafford on the other hand is a bit riskier but he grew up idolizing Elway and does possess some of those skills.
While I agree that Bradford is not as likely to improve as much over time, does he need to to be an elite NFL QB? There have been a lot of accurate QBs who have made themselves into Elite QBs, especially relative to gunslingers. I realize Stafford has more upside - but the inherent risk is him not achieving it. That and Bradford is smart a hell. I'll take "Most important QB traits for $1000, Alex."

[Rausch]

Other than alot of guys with shitty 40's have become good players where as I can't think of 1 QB under 6' tall that was ever a meaningful QB.

You know that people played football before 1985, right?...

[Mecca]

While I agree that Bradford is not as likely to improve as much over time, does he need to to be an elite NFL QB? There have been a lot of accurate QBs who have made themselves into Elite QBs, especially relative to gunslingers. I realize Stafford has more upside - but the inherent risk is him not achieving it. That and Bradford is smart a hell. I'll take "Most important QB traits for $1000, Alex."

But where does that go when I tell you that Stafford is pretty much a lock to declare and no one thinks Bradford will you can't go "well we ain't taken Stafford cause we want Bradford next year" then you have like the 3rd pick and miss out.

You can't play that way cause the odds of having back to back #1's is slim and none.

[Mecca]

You know that people played football before 1985, right?...

The game is also alot different now than it was then.....I know people love old timer talk but the early days of football didn't feature 250lb LB's that run 4.4s

[milkman]

Ok, explain to me again why 2-4 inches can make or break a (non-porn) career.

Then explain why mobility can't overcome that.

And FTR I'm not saying I want us to draft him, only that it's a measurable like a sub-par 40 time...

In the end, a QB has to be able stand in the pocket and use the entire field.

Moving a QB outside the pocket limits him to half the field, and good defenses can take that half away from the QB.

[Rausch]

Oh, and I'm not saying that I wouldn't trade almost every QB the Chiefs have trotted out there over the years.

I'm just saying he was somewhat overrated.

But that wasn't even the point of the post to begin with.

McNair serves as a blueprint on how to develop QBs-

Stop right there.

There we are in complete agreement.

Slowly inch the guy along, feed him more as he's able to digest, and give him the time he needs to take it all in before throwing him out there.

[Mecca]

Also as all the players on the field namely the lineman get larger the QB's have to be larger to see the field.

Really look at the top flight QB's they're all very large people.

[Brock]

Also as all the players on the field namely the lineman get larger the QB's have to be larger to see the field.

Really look at the top flight QB's they're all very large people.

So are all the really bad ones.

[Mecca]

If Chase Daniel wants to make it in the NFL I'd tell him to shoot up a bunch of HGH and hope he grows a few inches.

[Nightfyre]

But where does that go when I tell you that Stafford is pretty much a lock to declare and no one thinks Bradford will you can't go "well we ain't taken Stafford cause we want Bradford next year" then you have like the 3rd pick and miss out.

You can't play that way cause the odds of having back to back #1's is slim and none.

It depends on how it all shakes out. It maybe that the NFL is closing in on an agreement to slot rookies. If they do, I suspect Bradford would come out this year, because he's smart.

[Mecca]

It depends on how it all shakes out. It maybe that the NFL is closing in on an agreement to slot rookies. If they do, I suspect Bradford would come out this year, because he's smart.

If that happens everyone is coming out....but I haven't seen Bradford on any board basically no one thinks he's coming out.

[Rausch]

So are all the really bad ones.

ROFL

[Nightfyre]

If that happens everyone is coming out....but I haven't seen Bradford on any board basically no one thinks he's coming out.
If we have the #1 pick, what are the rules about us contacting players who may potentially come out?

[CoMoChief]

Bradford > Stafford > Sanchez > BYU QB (cant remember name) > Tebow > Daniels

[Mecca]

If we have the #1 pick, what are the rules about us contacting players who may potentially come out?

That would be against the rules I believe..players have a window to decide if they are coming out or not, and a date they can change their mind by if they don't hire an agent.

I think there's a good chance Stafford would have the higher grade even if he was in the draft with Bradford.

[Nightfyre]

Also, if everyone comes out, it wouldn't suck to snag Freeman, who could freefall to around the fourth. He also has the physical tools and could provide some depth.

[Mecca]

Also, if everyone comes out, it wouldn't suck to snag Freeman, who could freefall to around the fourth. He also has the physical tools and could provide some depth.

A 6'6 dude with a big arm is not falling....those guys are called combine risers.

[Mecca]

Bradford > Stafford > Sanchez > BYU QB (cant remember name) > Tebow > Daniels

i disagree with that but hey.

[Nightfyre]

A 6'6 dude with a big arm is not falling....those guys are called combine risers.

If everyone came out, this would be a very deep QB draft all of a sudden. There would be some great talent at low rounds.

[the Talking Can]

realistically, where will daniels go?

6th, 7th rounder a la Brennan and other spread offense QBs with video game numbers

4th, 5th...someone thinks he's a "2nd day" steal?

3rd...someone is convinced he is a an immediate QBOTF?

2nd....height be damned?

[Rausch]

A 6'6 dude with a big arm is not falling....those guys are called combine risers.

Or preseason GM porn.

The intang....in.......the stuff one can't measure is what truly makes a QB.

It's why Leaf and Mirer sucked and Montana and Brady didn't.

Leadership, guile, heart, desire, will, fortitude.

Your QB is your leader. If he can't lead he won't last...

[Rausch]

realistically, where will daniels go?

6th, 7th rounder a la Brennan and other spread offense QBs with video game numbers

4th, 5th...someone thinks he's a "2nd day" steal?

3rd...someone is convinced he is a an immediate QBOTF?

2nd....height be damned?

I think someone will risk him in the 4th-5th.

Noth that where you start is what matters...

[Nightfyre]

6th, 7th rounder a la Brennan and other spread offense QBs with video game numbers

.

[Mecca]

Daniel is probably going anywhere from 5th to undrafted....

And um Tom Brady is 6'4 it's not like he's some midget.

[Rausch]

Daniel is probably going anywhere from 5th to undrafted....

And um Tom Brady is 6'4 it's not like he's some midget.

No, he was just a forgotton extra that got his only shot due to an injury.

I'll bet that 6'4" is why he won those rings and the faith of his team and coaching staff.

Or perhaps it was his resilience and precision. His ball placement and decision making. His calm nature in in the storm.

I won't argue that being tall helps but it sure as hell doesn't make a QB...

[Nightfyre]

No, he was just a forgotton extra that got his only shot due to an injury.

I'll bet that 6'4" is why he won those rings and the faith of his team and coaching staff.

Or perhaps it was his resilience and precision. His ball placement and decision making. His calm nature in in the storm.

I won't argue that being tall helps but it sure as hell doesn't make a QB...

Seeing over your O-linemen is a prerequisite for both ball placement and decision making.

[Mecca]

No, he was just a forgotton extra that got his only shot due to an injury.

I'll bet that 6'4" is why he won those rings and the faith of his team and coaching staff.

Or perhaps it was his resilience and precision. His ball placement and decision making. His calm nature in in the storm.

I won't argue that being tall helps but it sure as hell doesn't make a QB...

You're basically describing Matt Ryan...who I add alot of people here didn't like. There are plenty of things I think are overrated when it comes to scouting QB's but I would never in a million years draft a QB under 6'2.

[Mecca]

Seeing over your O-linemen is a prerequisite for both ball placement and decision making.

By the way if Sam Bradford can get to 240 I think he's as similar prospect to Matt Ryan.

[the Talking Can]

i'll be honest about daniels, i'm prejudiced by all the qbs that come out of Texas Tech and do nothing in the nfl....they look unstoppable in college...

that may or may not be a fair comparison....he may have more heart/talent/whatever i can't say....

but if he were there in the 6th, i'd take him....

[MIAdragon]

This is a great idea!

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Mecca, what do you think the chances are, that Mark Sanchez comes out this year?

[Nightfyre]

By the way if Sam Bradford can get to 240 I think he's as similar prospect to Matt Ryan.

Matt Ryan doesn't have anything on Bradford's accuracy, this year or last.

[Brock]

By the way if Sam Bradford can get to 240 I think he's as similar prospect to Matt Ryan.

240? What the **** would be the point in that?

[Rausch]

You're basically describing Matt Ryan...who I add alot of people here didn't like. There are plenty of things I think are overrated when it comes to scouting QB's but I would never in a million years draft a QB under 6'2.

You'll never in a million years be in a position to draft any QB...

[Mecca]

Matt Ryan doesn't have anything on Bradford's accuracy, this year or last.

Look who they are playing with, Ryan played with no one so he rarely got to throw to guys with separation.

I think if Bradford can get his size to a similar level they become similar prospects, guys with good heads and accuracy but don't have the giant arms.

Put Matt Ryan on OU he looks like Bradford does...

[Mecca]

Mecca, what do you think the chances are, that Mark Sanchez comes out this year?

About 40%, he basically waited 3 years to be the starter at SC, it's a big deal to him. His dad is a firefighter and everything I know about him just speaks to him probably not coming out early.

[Nightfyre]

Look who they are playing with, Ryan played with no one so he rarely got to throw to guys with separation.

I think if Bradford can get his size to a similar level they become similar prospects, guys with good heads and accuracy but don't have the giant arms.

Put Matt Ryan on OU he looks like Bradford does...
Matt Ryan at age 24 with Bradford at age 19, 20? Just sayin'.

[Mecca]

240? What the **** would be the point in that?

That's about how big Ryan is.....generally when a guy is 6'4 they are expected to be in the 225-240 range.

[Mecca]

Matt Ryan at age 24 with Bradford at age 19, 20? Just sayin'.

Hey I think that's a compliment since Ryan is pretty NFL ready hell he's won 2 games already.

[Brock]

That's about how big Ryan is.....generally when a guy is 6'4 they are expected to be in the 225-240 range.

Jesus, you have to take everything to the level of absurdity. Peyton Manning doesn't weigh 240.

[ChiefsCountry]

Mecca just likes to suck Matt Ryan off, nothing new.

[Skip Towne]

As long as we're using guys like Haggan and Englebert why not a guy like Paul Smith, former Tulsa QB. He is extremely accurate and could get us to our QBOTF. Holds the NCAA record of 14 consecutive games over 300 yds passing. Comes cheap. Currently on the Jags practice squad.

[Mecca]

Jesus, you have to take everything to the level of absurdity. Peyton Manning doesn't weigh 240.

230..so close enough....either way Bradford needs to gain weight he's probably about 210 right now.

[Brock]

230..so close enough....either way Bradford needs to gain weight he's probably about 210 right now.

No, it's not "close enough". You said Bradford needs to weigh 240 to be on a level with Matt Ryan. Absurd.

[Mecca]

Mecca just likes to suck Matt Ryan off, nothing new.

Oh cmon, I think that's a good question, how can you love Bradford after not liking Ryan when they are frankly similar prospects other than Bradford plays on a much more talented team.

[Mecca]

No, it's not "close enough". You said Bradford needs to weigh 240 to be on a level with Matt Ryan. Absurd.

I'm saying Sam Bradford needs to gain weight......I was just comparing him to Ryan in that line but yes he needs to atleast get to 225.

[milkman]

No, it's not "close enough". You said Bradford needs to weigh 240 to be on a level with Matt Ryan. Absurd.

He also said, in the quote you posted, that a 6'4" QB should weigh in the 225-240 range.

[Brock]

He also said, in the quote you posted, that a 6'4" QB should weigh in the 225-240 range.

That's not the post I'm talking about.

[Chiefnj2]

Oh cmon, I think that's a good question, how can you love Bradford after not liking Ryan when they are frankly similar prospects other than Bradford plays on a much more talented team.

Does Bradford have a habit of going cold for 3 quarters before coming alive in the 4th quarter?

[milkman]

Mecca just likes to suck Matt Ryan off, nothing new.

It appears to me that he likes Stafford's potential more.

[Chiefnj2]

As long as we're using guys like Haggan and Englebert why not a guy like Paul Smith, former Tulsa QB. He is extremely accurate and could get us to our QBOTF. Holds the NCAA record of 14 consecutive games over 300 yds passing. Comes cheap. Currently on the Jags practice squad.

Tulas has a QB this year that is lighting it up. Nice system they have for generating great stats.

[Nightfyre]

Does Bradford have a habit of going cold for 3 quarters before coming alive in the 4th quarter?

Bradford is pretty much as consistent as the half-life of radon. WHAT?!

[Brock]

Bradford is pretty much as consistent as the half-life of radon. WHAT?!

But Matt Ryan wasn't.

[Mecca]

It appears to me that he likes Stafford's potential more.

He does have more upside....I think Stafford would go ahead of Ryan if they were in the same draft.

[ChiefsCountry]

Does Bradford have a habit of going cold for 3 quarters before coming alive in the 4th quarter?

Against the ACC.

[Mecca]

Against the ACC.

Are you aware that the ACC has had more players drafted than the Big 12 over the last 5 years?

They've had more defensive players drafted than any conference, that was one of the arguments for Ryan, he was doing the most against the best with the least.

[Nightfyre]

Are you aware that the ACC has had more players drafted than the Big 12 over the last 5 years?

The Big 12 is the strongest conference in the nation this year.

[Mecca]

The Big 12 is the strongest conference in the nation this year.

Yea......I don't think so.....I don't think anyone has anything on that schedule Matt Stafford is facing.

[ChiefsCountry]

Are you aware that the ACC has had more players drafted than the Big 12 over the last 5 years?

They've had more defensive players drafted than any conference, that was one of the arguments for Ryan, he was doing the most against the best with the least.

ACC has talented players but their teams are dog shit.

[Mecca]

I think what Hamas said is right, there's alot of glued in people on Bradford cause he's in the area with a Big 12 team.

[Brock]

I think what Hamas said is right, there's alot of glued in people on Bradford cause he's in the area with a Big 12 team.

And because he looks like an NFL quarterback when he plays.

[Mecca]

And because he looks like an NFL quarterback when he plays.

Ok and he's a similar prospect to Matt Ryan, he doesn't have the best arm, he uses his head, all that.

Then you swap down to Georgia and that's a whole nother kinda prospect with the huge arm and every single physical tool you could ever ask for.

[ChiefsCountry]

And because he looks like an NFL quarterback when he plays.

Nope its bc he plays in the Big 12. :rolleyes:

[JBucc]

I don't give a shit about the Big 12 and I like Bradford a lot.

[ChiefsCountry]

Then you swap down to Georgia and that's a whole nother kinda prospect with the huge arm and every single physical tool you could ever ask for.

White JaMarcus Russell

[Mecca]

I don't give a shit about the Big 12 and I like Bradford a lot.

Do you like him better than Matt Stafford or Mark Sanchez..I'm not saying I dislike Bradford I'm just saying I'm not sure he's quite the same prospect that they are.

[Nightfyre]

Yea......I don't think so.....I don't think anyone has anything on that schedule Matt Stafford is facing.

Georgia:
Georgia Southern
Central Michigan
South Carolina
Arizona State
Alabama
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
LSU
Florida
Kentucky
Auburn
Georgia Tech

Oklahoma:
Chattanooga
Cincinnati
Washington
TCU
Baylor
Texas
Kansas
Kansas State
Nebraska
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State

[Mecca]

White JaMarcus Russell

He ain't that fat!

And he's more mobile......I think you need to watch some more of him before you make that kind of comparison.

You're basically saying every big time talent QB with a big arm is a moron.

[ChiefsCountry]

Do you like him better than Matt Stafford or Mark Sanchez..I'm not saying I dislike Bradford I'm just saying I'm not sure he's quite the same prospect that they are.

You like what they look like, not what they play like.

[Mecca]

Georgia:
Georgia Southern
Central Michigan
South Carolina
Arizona State
Alabama
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
LSU
Florida
Kentucky
Auburn
Georgia Tech

Oklahoma:
Chattanooga
Cincinnati
Washington
TCU
Baylor
Texas
Kansas
Kansas State
Nebraska
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State

Alabama, Florida, LSU, Auburn tops anyone on that OU schedule save maybe Texas.

[ChiefsCountry]

You're basically saying every big time talent QB with a big arm is a moron.

:rolleyes: Oh please, I watch plenty of Georgia games. I say this everytime you dumbasses bring it up. He doesnt make good decisions, its his biggest knock on him.

[JBucc]

Do you like him better than Matt Stafford or Mark Sanchez..I'm not saying I dislike Bradford I'm just saying I'm not sure he's quite the same prospect that they are.I think they're all pretty damn close to be honest. Either way Stafford is probably the only one we'll have a shot at this year.

[Mecca]

:rolleyes: Oh please, I watch plenty of Georgia games. I say this everytime you dumbasses bring it up. He doesnt make good decisions, its his biggest knock on him.

He was starting as a true freshman and sophomore of course he's going to look shaky at times, he made strikes from 1st to 2nd year if he makes the same ones this year then he's there.....you have to understand he is a work in progress and we're projecting here.

His freshman and sophomore stats are very similar to Cutler and Palmers are they big armed dumbasses too?

Also other than AJ Green this year he's been throwing to a group of awful WR's who never separate. I don't think some realize how bad the Georgia WR's have been.

[Mecca]

I think they're all pretty damn close to be honest. Either way Stafford is probably the only one we'll have a shot at this year.

That's pretty much how I look at it and they will have to take him.

[Nightfyre]

Alabama, Florida, LSU, Auburn tops anyone on that OU schedule save maybe Texas.
Texas and Texas Tech. That's true. Fortunately they both have tough schedules to be thoroughly evaluated. Unlike some other team from california.

[Mecca]

Texas and Texas Tech. That's true. Fortunately they both have tough schedules to be thoroughly evaluated. Unlike some other team from california.

All SC can control is it's non con and they go out of their way to play a good one.

[ChiefsCountry]

Stafford has looked shaky this year as well. We will find out about him this year real quick, the SEC will do that to you.

[Chiefnj2]

His freshman and sophomore stats are very similar to Cutler and Palmers are they big armed dumbasses too?

.

Can you post the stats?

[Mecca]

Can you post the stats?

I'll do some overall comparison for you here....

Stafford is also in the SEC playing at Georgia, the conference that is notoriously hard on passers as you mention with Cutler. And comparing Stafford's stats to Cutler's stats at the same time in their careers, they are eerily similar. Cutler's completion percentage through 2 seasons was a stellar 53.8%. He barely hit 7.0 in yards per attempt, and he had a 28:22 TD:INT ratio. Compared to Stafford who has a career completion percentage of 54.5%, 7.0 ypa, 26:23 TD:INT ratio. Palmer, through 2 full seasons, (using the same line) was 55.1/7.18/23:24.

Jay Cutler was at the fringe of 60 both of his years as a starter at Vanderbilt--61% in '04 and 59.1% in '05. Peyton Manning also barely made a 60% completion percentage his senior year at 60.37%. McNabb was at 60.9% his senior year, Eli Manning was at 58%, Palmer was at 58% in 2001 and 54.9% in 2000.

The last part is for people who harp on the completion %.

[Frankie]

I haven't read this thread. But I have noticed K-State's Freeman doesn't get much love here. What year of college is he? I have watched him once and I was fairly impressed.

[DaKCMan AP]

We've been over this before: The biggest stat that correlates with NFL success is completion percentage.

This year, Sam Bradford has completed 79% of his passes, including against a tough Cinci D. Further, we will get to see him against: Kansas, Texas Tech, Texas, TCU and likely Missouri (Big 12 Championship). Other notable teams: K-State, A&M, and Oklahoma State.

The big knock on Bradford to date has been his arm strength and velocity. However, he has actually improved over the last year in that regard. He will probably never be a gunslinger, like a Stafford. But he can put the ball 50-60 yards down the field with perfect accuracy.

Also, since that second video that has you so concerned mecca, he has put on 8-10 pounds. That was just over a year ago.

For those that are comparing Stafford to Palmer: Stafford isn't even close to as accurate. That is my really big knock on him. Nearly every time Stafford throws the ball, you know his receiver is going to have to adjust to it and won't get any YAC. I would much rather have someone with the pinpoint accuracy Bradford is displaying than a gunslinger.

JMO.

Bradford and Tebow had very similar passing stats last year. Stafford was well behind.

2007
Bradford - 237/341 3121 36TD 8int, 69.5% comp.
Tebow - 234/350 3286 32TD 6int, 66.9% comp.
Stafford - 194/348 2523yds 19TD 10int, 55.7% comp.

[Nightfyre]

I'll do some overall comparison for you here....

Stafford is also in the SEC playing at Georgia, the conference that is notoriously hard on passers as you mention with Cutler. And comparing Stafford's stats to Cutler's stats at the same time in their careers, they are eerily similar. Cutler's completion percentage through 2 seasons was a stellar 53.8%. He barely hit 7.0 in yards per attempt, and he had a 28:22 TD:INT ratio. Compared to Stafford who has a career completion percentage of 54.5%, 7.0 ypa, 26:23 TD:INT ratio. Palmer, through 2 full seasons, (using the same line) was 55.1/7.18/23:24.

Jay Cutler was at the fringe of 60 both of his years as a starter at Vanderbilt--61% in '04 and 59.1% in '05. Peyton Manning also barely made a 60% completion percentage his senior year at 60.37%. McNabb was at 60.9% his senior year, Eli Manning was at 58%, Palmer was at 58% in 2001 and 54.9% in 2000.

The last part is for people who harp on the completion %.

Stafford got sacked three more times than Bradford last year.
Stat lines for 2007:
Bradford 69.5% completion on 341 attempts, 36 TDs 8 Ints
Stafford 55.7% completion on 348 attempts, 19 TDs 10 Ints

Stafford has been sacked 6 times thusfar this year and Bradford none.
Stat lines for 2008:
Bradford 79% completion on 81 attempts, 12 TDs 2 Ints
Stafford 60.8% completion on 102 attempts, 5 TDs 0 Ints

[DaKCMan AP]

Newsflash: white-athletic-mobile college QB's uncomfortable as pure passers are just as likely to bust as black-athletic-moble college QB's.

He's physically gifted, I agree, but I don't want him leading my offense...

Tebow is a much better passer in college than Vince Young or Mike Vick.

[Nightfyre]

Bradford and Tebow had very similar passing stats last year. Stafford was well behind.

2007
Bradford - 237/341 3121 36TD 8int, 69.5% comp.
Tebow - 234/350 3286 32TD 6int, 66.9% comp.
Stafford - 194/348 2523yds 19TD 10int, 55.7% comp.
Tebow probably shouldn't even enter into any statistical discussion regarding last year. I am curious to see how he will do this year in a more pro-style offense.

[Mecca]

Stafford got sacked three more times than Bradford last year.
Stat lines for 2007:
Bradford 69.5% completion on 341 attempts, 36 TDs 8 Ints
Stafford 55.7% completion on 348 attempts, 19 TDs 10 Ints

Stafford has been sacked 6 times thusfar this year and Bradford none.
Stat lines for 2008:
Bradford 79% completion on 81 attempts, 12 TDs 2 Ints
Stafford 60.8% completion on 102 attempts, 5 TDs 0 Ints

I'm not sure what you're saying on the sacks front Oklahoma has a better line....we all know this, Stafford is more mobile, Georgia's LT is out for the season so none of that is surprising.

[suds79]

I haven't read this thread. But I have noticed K-State's Freeman doesn't get much love here. What year of college is he? I have watched him once and I was fairly impressed.

He's a Jr.

Well if you listen to the scouts, they like his size, arm strength, etc. But it seems like he's generally viewed as not in the same class as the Staffords, Tebows.

It'll be interesting to see where he ends up going in the draft whenever he comes out.

[Nightfyre]

I'm not sure what you're saying on the sacks front Oklahoma has a better line....we all know this, Stafford is more mobile, Georgia's LT is out for the season so none of that is surprising.

Bradford ran a 4.64 forty.

[suds79]

With the rate we're going in looking to have a top 3 pick or so, based on where they seemed to be ranked (and that could change), I'd be absolutely shocked if we passed on Stafford.

He seems to be viewed as the top QB and worthy of a top pick. Seems to be an easy fit if you ask me.

[DaKCMan AP]

The Big 12 is the strongest conference in the nation this year.

False.

[Mecca]

Bradford ran a 4.64 forty.

So he's about .08 faster than Stafford? Just from watching them play I'd say Stafford is more mobile.

[Nightfyre]

So he's about .08 faster than Stafford? Just from watching them play I'd say Stafford is more mobile.

I'd say Stafford has had to be mobile more often. Not necessarily that he is more mobile.

[Nightfyre]

False.

We'll see at the end of the year.

[Mecca]

I'd say Stafford has had to be mobile more often. Not necessarily that he is more mobile.

Isn't saying Stafford is playing with less talent complimenting him? I think it's pretty obvious outside of Moreno/AJ Green Stafford is playing with some really marginal talent...atleast compared to what OU is running out there.

I know people bag on some of Staffords throws and his completion percentage but he has a ton of dropped balls because UGA has just god awful WR's save Green. They just can't separate at all and it really skews his numbers from last year also.

[Nightfyre]

Isn't saying Stafford is playing with less talent complimenting him? I think it's pretty obvious outside of Moreno/AJ Green Stafford is playing with some really marginal talent...atleast compared to what OU is running out there.

I know people bag on some of Staffords throws and his completion percentage but he has a ton of dropped balls because UGA has just god awful WR's save Green. They just can't separate at all and it really skews his numbers from last year also.

Stafford has a worse O-line. Bradford hasn't lost a step after losing Malcolm Kelly. :shrug: Bradford throws a much better ball. Any time Stafford's receivers have separation they have to make a play on the ball rather than letting it fall in the bread basket and continuing for 6. Oh and I know Georgia drops a lot of balls. I will probably continue watching throughout the season, but I doubt Stafford is going to change my mind.

[SBK]

The Big 12 is the strongest conference in the nation this year.

Um no. Until LSU beat Auburn the SEC had 5 top 10 teams.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

People in here better get used to Stafford, because he will be our QB for the next 10-15 years

[SBK]

Isn't saying Stafford is playing with less talent complimenting him? I think it's pretty obvious outside of Moreno/AJ Green Stafford is playing with some really marginal talent...atleast compared to what OU is running out there.

I know people bag on some of Staffords throws and his completion percentage but he has a ton of dropped balls because UGA has just god awful WR's save Green. They just can't separate at all and it really skews his numbers from last year also.

UGA plays in a conservative offense and has 1 stud that catches the ball, a true freshman. They've also lost their starting LT this year to an ACL tear.

I've been watching their games this year since I can't see Iowa State here in Atlanta :) and Stafford looks great to me. He'll need some coaching, but who doesn't? His upside is insane.

And I'm just quoting you because you're quote is dead on.

[Brock]

People in here better get used to Stafford, because he will be our QB for the next 10-15 years

We can hope so. It depends on how he grades out vs. Oher.

[eazyb81]

Stafford has a worse O-line. Bradford hasn't lost a step after losing Malcolm Kelly. :shrug: Bradford throws a much better ball. Any time Stafford's receivers have separation they have to make a play on the ball rather than letting it fall in the bread basket and continuing for 6. Oh and I know Georgia drops a lot of balls. I will probably continue watching throughout the season, but I doubt Stafford is going to change my mind.

I don't agree with this at all. It may appear like Bradford throws a better ball, but it's because he throws more short passes and is in an offense that helps him have a completion percentage of 80%.

Also, I'm not sure how much you've seen of Stafford this year, but I've literally seen every game and as I mentioned earlier in this thread, he makes a few passes each game that no one else in the country could make.

[RustShack]

Who are all the top QB's comarable to? I've already seen someone mention Bradford like Ryan and Sanchez like Palmer....

[the Talking Can]

People in here better get used to Stafford, because he will be our QB for the next 10-15 years

hope you're right....

[ChiefsCountry]

Who are all the top QB's comarable to? I've already seen someone mention Bradford like Ryan and Sanchez like Palmer....

Bradford - Brady/Romo
Sanchez - Palmer
Stafford - Palmer/Cutler/Russell
Freeman - Culpepper

[blueballs]

The Chiefs are not the only team lookiing for a QB
trade that #1 pick for two firsts

[milkman]

hope you're right....

Scary thing is, he's probably not right.

The Chiefs, much like a few of these fans will do the myopic thing and take Michael Oher.

[RustShack]

Scary thing is, he's probably not right.

The Chiefs, much like a few of these fans will do the myopic thing and take Michael Oher.

Or a MLB or a DE.

[eazyb81]

Bradford - Brady/Romo
Sanchez - Palmer
Stafford - Palmer/Cutler/Eli Manning
Freeman - Culpepper

FYP

[ChiefsCountry]

Scary thing is, he's probably not right.

The Chiefs, much like a few of these fans will do the myopic thing and take Michael Oher.

No knowing the Chiefs it will be Andre Smith.

[the Talking Can]

Scary thing is, he's probably not right.

The Chiefs, much like a few of these fans will do the myopic thing and take Michael Oher.

that would be a disaster

getting a qb is THE ONLY PRIORITY


everything else is second, a distant second

you can not pass on stafford....you can not go 1-15 and not draft a god damn qb after playing thigpen and huard...

then, after drafting a qb, you do EVERYTHING to create an environment in which he can succeed....get a good qb coach, draft a wr, ol, and spend in FA for more wrs and ol...other people have made this point and i totally agree

[ChiefsCountry]

that would be a disaster

getting the RIGHT qb is THE ONLY PRIORITY



FYP

[the Talking Can]

that would be a disaster

getting a qb is THE ONLY PRIORITY


everything else is second, a distant second

you can not pass on stafford....you can not go 1-15 and not draft a god damn qb after playing thigpen and huard...

then, after drafting a qb, you do EVERYTHING to create an environment in which he can succeed....get a good qb coach, draft a wr, ol, and spend in FA for more wrs and ol...other people have made this point and i totally agree

and you find an oc who will run an offense that maximizes the qbs strengths....

[SBK]

FYP

And as of today that guy looks like Stafford.

[the Talking Can]

FYP

it's always a gamble

you have to play to win

[Brock]

I'm just saying, if Oher grades out like Willie Roaf, and Stafford grades out like, say, Brady Quinn, then the decision becomes something other than what you're hoping for.

[Nightfyre]

I don't agree with this at all. It may appear like Bradford throws a better ball, but it's because he throws more short passes and is in an offense that helps him have a completion percentage of 80%.

Also, I'm not sure how much you've seen of Stafford this year, but I've literally seen every game and as I mentioned earlier in this thread, he makes a few passes each game that no one else in the country could make.

I've seen a couple games. My exposure is pretty limited due to geography. However, Bradford threw a multitude of passes last year perfectly from 50-60 yards. Stafford, from what I've seen, is not nearly as accurate.

[ChiefsCountry]

I'm just saying, if Oher grades out like Willie Roaf, and Stafford grades out like, say, Brady Quinn, then the decision becomes something other than what you're hoping for.

If Stafford was Brady Quinn I wouldnt have no problem with the pick, but he is not. Any other team besides the Raiders would have took Quinn #1.

[milkman]

and you find an oc who will run an offense that maximizes the qbs strengths....

I really believe that we actually have that OC.

What we need is a HC that alllows him to do just that.

[the Talking Can]

I'm just saying, if Oher grades out like Willie Roaf, and Stafford grades out like, say, Brady Quinn, then the decision becomes something other than what you're hoping for.

in this instance, i don't agree

we either take a qb this year or go back to signing vet trash....the odds of back to back top 5 picks are slim even for us, can you really plan for that outcome?

and personally, i already like stafford more than quinn, but just my opinion...

[milkman]

then, after drafting a qb, you do EVERYTHING to create an environment in which he can succeed....get a good qb coach, draft a wr, ol, and spend in FA for more wrs and ol...other people have made this point and i totally agree

Agreed.

I believe that we already have a couple of guys that would upgrade the OL, in Taylor and Richardson.

My plan, right now, would be to draft Stafford in the first, Selvie or Spikes in the second ( I believe one of these will be there at the top of the second round), and maybe a guy like Alex Mack in the third.

[SBK]

If Stafford was Brady Quinn I wouldnt have no problem with the pick, but he is not. Any other team besides the Raiders would have took Quinn #1.

That's not quite accurate as 21 teams passed on Quinn.

[ChiefsCountry]

That's not quite accurate as 21 teams passed on Quinn.

Who needed a QB?

[oaklandhater]

incase any one was wondering here is the top 27 QB's of the draft

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009QB.php

Tim Tebow*, Florida
Height: 6-3. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.52.
Projected Round (2009): Top 5 Pick.
2007: ESPN's Jesse Palmer said that Tim Tebow moved himself into Heisman consideration in the wake of his performance at Ole Miss. I have to agree. Tebow's passing numbers were great - 20-of-34, 262 yards, two touchdowns - but his rushing numbers were downright spectacular (26 carries, 164 yards, two more scores).

Tebow passed his first true test with flying colors. The sophomore was 14-of-19 for 299 yards, two touchdowns and one interception against Tennessee. He also rushed for 61 yards and two more scores on the ground.

Where will Tim Tebow be drafted? Check out the Great Tim Tebow Debate and vote!


Sam Bradford**, Oklahoma
Height: 6-4. Weight: 214.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2009): Top 10 Pick.
3/26/08: Sam Bradford is going into his redshirt sophomore year, so he'll be eligible for the 2009 Draft. If he matches his 2007 numbers this upcoming year, I see no reason why he woudn't come out early. Bradford threw for 3,121 yards, 36 touchdowns and only eight picks - as a freshman. Unbelievable. Can we get a birth certificate?


Matt Stafford*, Georgia
Height: 6-3. Weight: 237.
Projected 40 Time: 4.74.
Projected Round (2009): Top 10 Pick.
3/26/08: Matt Stafford improved upon his freshman campaign, throwing for 2,523 yards and 19 touchdowns. He did, however, complete just 55.7 percent of his passes.

2007: I'm not as high on Matt Stafford as other people are. Call me crazy, but I'm not sold on a guy who compiled way more picks (13) than touchdowns (7), even if he was a freshman. Stafford threw three interceptions against both Mississippi State and Kentucky - not the greatest opponents in the world.

Stafford looked good against Auburn (14-20, 219 yds, 7 carries, 83 rush yds, 2 total TDs) and Georgia Tech (16-29, 171 yds, 1 TD), but things fell apart for him in the Chick Fil-A Bowl against Virginia Tech, where he went 9-of-21 for 129 yards, one touchdown and an interception. Stafford doesn't have the greatest weapons to work with, so I admit that I'm being a little harsh in my criticism.


Cullen Harper, Clemson
Height: 6-4. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.79.
Projected Round (2009): Top 25 Pick.
3/26/08: In his first season of extensive action, Cullen Harper threw for 2,887 yards, 27 touchdowns and only six interceptions. He qualified for the 2007 All-ACC Second Team.






Curtis Painter, Purdue
Height: 6-4. Weight: 223.
Projected 40 Time: 4.85.
Projected Round (2009): 2.
3/26/08: Curtis Painter threw for less yardage (3.846) than he did as a sophomore, but he compiled more touchdowns (29 to 22), less interceptions (11 to 19) and a higher completion percentage (62.6 to 59.4).

Painter threw for more yards (3,985) last year than any player in Purdue history, which includes Drew Brees and Kyle Orton. That said, after starting hot in 2006, Painter was largely ineffective against Wisconsin (20-40, 187 yds, 1 INT), Penn State (22-39, 184 yds, 2 INTs), Illinois (20-42, 229 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT) and Indiana (4 INTs).


Hunter Cantwell, Louisville
Height: 6-5. Weight: 230.
Projected 40 Time: 4.79.
Projected Round (2009): 2.
2007: This is sort of like the Carson Palmer-Matt Leinart situation at USC. Hunter Cantwell stepped in for an injured Brian Brohm in 2006 and threw for 700 yards, five touchdowns and two picks, maintaining a completion percentage of 64.3. One of the top prospects in the nation who will have to wait until the 2008 season to play.


Mark Sanchez*, USC
Height: 6-3. Weight: 225.
Projected 40 Time: 4.71.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.
Will likely take over for John David Booty in 2008. Only threw seven passes as a freshman, so there isn't much film to digest.


Todd Boeckman, Ohio State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 243.
Projected 40 Time: 4.76.
Projected Round (2009): 3.
3/26/08: Todd Boeckman improved throughout the 2007 campaign but looked very mediocre against LSU in the national championship, going 15-of-26 for 208 yards, two touchdowns and two picks.

2007: A massive quarterback with a great arm, Todd Boeckman really proved himself by throwing for 257 yards and three scores at Penn State.


Nathan Brown, Central Arkansas
Height: 6-1. Weight: 212.
Projected 40 Time: 4.77.
Projected Round (2009): 3-4.
3/26/08: The Southland Offensive Player of the Year, Nathan Brown compiled 3,084 yards, 26 touchdowns and 10 picks as a junior. Level of competition is obviously an issue, but he's worth consideration in the third or fourth rounds.


Tom Brandstater, Fresno State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.77.
Projected Round (2009): 3-4.
3/26/08: After a miserable sophomore campaign, Tom Brandstater finally lived up to the hype, as he managed 2,654 yards, 15 touchdowns and just five interceptions in 2007.


Colt McCoy*, Texas
Height: 6-3. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2009): 4.
3/26/08: Colt McCoy had a disappointing sophomore year, throwing 18 picks after just seven in 2006. His completion percentage dropped three points as well.

2007: McCoy threw interceptions like a madman in a 20-point loss to Kansas State. Through five games, he has way more picks than he had as a freshman.

McCoy's freshman campaign reminds me a bit of Philip Rivers' 2006 season. The Longhorns, much like Marty Schottenheimer, didn't let their young quarterback loose until midway through the season.

When McCoy was allowed to fire at will, he tore it up. He threw for six touchdowns against Baylor. He compiled 346 yards and three scores against Oklahoma State. He accumulated 256 yards and four touchdowns at Texas Tech. He was 26-of-40 for 308 yards and two scores in the Alamo Bowl against Iowa. There's no reason to think McCoy will regress; he has great weapons at his disposal and plays in a weak conference.


Dan LeFevour*, Central Michigan
Height: 6-3. Weight: 226.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2009): 4.
5/1/08: Looking to be the next NFL quarterback from the MAC, Dan LeFevour threw for 3,652 yards, 27 touchdowns and only 13 picks in 2007. He completed 65.4 percent of his passes, and rushed for 1,122 yards and 19 scores.


Rudy Carpenter, Arizona State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 199.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.
Projected Round (2009): 4.
3/26/08: Rudy Carpenter puts up some nice stats - for the most part. He threw for 3,202 yards, 25 touchdowns and only 10 picks in 2007. So, what's the problem? Carpenter was sacked 54 times. The Sun Devils currently have the top center prospect in the 2008 Draft, so it's not like he had no protection.






Graham Harrell, Texas Tech
Height: 6-2. Weight: 196.
Projected 40 Time: 4.73.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.
3/26/08: Another Texas Tech quarterback? Sort of - Graham Harrell is much better than any of his predecessors. Still, it's a bit scary to take a signal caller from a school that has produced nothing but NFL duds (see Florida Gators as another example). Harrell, like Chase Holbrook and Colton Brennan, produces disgusting numbers because of his offense. He threw for 5,705 yards, 48 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in 2007.

2007: Something scouts won't be able to measure is Harrell's ability to perform in the clutch. Down 31 points with less than eight minutes remaining in the third quarter against Minnesota, Harrell engineered the greatest comeback in bowl history, beating the pathetic Golden Gophers, 44-41.


Chase Daniel, Missouri
Height: 6-0. Weight: 223.
Projected 40 Time: 4.58.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.
2007: Chase Daniel's 6-foot frame really hurts him. Plenty of small quarterbacks have succeeded in the NFL, so that doesn't mean Daniel will be a bad signal caller; it just means he won't get drafted as high as he should.

One attribute that will help Daniel is his scrambling ability; he's quick and has shown that he's capable of picking up yards on the ground. In terms of passing, Daniel completed more than 50 percent in every single game. He ended his 2006 campaign with three interception-less games. He threw for 240 or more yards 11 times, finishing with 3,527 yards, 28 touchdowns and just 10 picks.


Brian Hoyer, Michigan State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.83.
Projected Round (2009): 5-6.
3/26/08: Brian Hoyer was pretty impressive in 2007, considering he was a first-year starter. He accumulated 2,725 yards, 20 touchdowns and 11 picks.


Chase Holbrook, New Mexico State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
Projected Round (2009): 5-6.
3/26/08: Chase Holbrook regressed in 2007; after 34 touchdowns and nine picks as a sophomore, Holbrook had 26 touchdowns and 18 interceptions last season.

2007: Thanks to the ESPN Hype Machine, everyone talks about Colton Brennan, and not Holbrook. Yet, both are very similar collegiate quarterbacks - they put up sick numbers in gimmicky offenses. At 6-5, 235, Holbrook is a better pro prospect than Brennan (6-3, 196), in my opinion.

Holbrook threw for 4,619 yards, 34 touchdowns and just nine interceptions as a sophomore last year. In his final game against Louisiana Tech, he was 41-of-54 for 514 yards and three touchdowns. An even more amazing statistic is that Holbrook finished the 2006 campaign with 179 consecutive passes without a pick.


Rhett Bomar, Sam Houston State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 218.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2009): 6.
3/26/08: Remember when this guy looked pretty impressive as a red-shirt freshman in Oklahoma? Well, after being dismissed for taking money from boosters and missing the entire 2006 season, Rhett Bomar resurfaced and compiled 2,209 yards and 10 touchdowns in nine starts in 2007.


Stephen McGee, Texas A&M
Height: 6-3. Weight: 208.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2009): 6-7.
3/26/08: After throwing just three picks in his first two years, Stephen McGee tossed eight interceptions in 2007.

2007: McGee was very inconsistent last year. For example, he was 19-of-23 for 183 yards and a score against Missouri. Three weeks later, he completed just eight passes (and one interception) in a 17-16 loss to Oklahoma. McGee was only a sophomore, but he needs to grow considerably over the next two years.





Sean Glennon, Virginia Tech
Height: 6-4. Weight: 225.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2009): 7.
3/26/08: Needs to be more consistent to warrant draft consideration.


Willie Tuitama, Arizona
Height: 6-3. Weight: 211.
Projected 40 Time: 4.78.
Projected Round (2009): 7.
3/26/08: Put up solid numbers as a junior (3,683 yards, 28 touchdowns, 12 picks) and only had one really bad game (at Oregon State). Even against USC, Willie Tuitama managed to complete 30-of-43 attempts for 233 yards.


John Parker Wilson, Alabama
Height: 6-2. Weight: 209.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2009): 7.
2007: John Parker Wilson doesn't exactly have the size that will make scouts salivate, but he has shown the ability to come up large in the clutch. Wilson was 16-of-20 for 243 yards and three scores at Arkansas. He was also 22-of-35 for 291 yards, two touchdowns and a pick at LSU. Any quarterback who can put up those numbers against LSU, especially on the road, has my respect.


Mike Reilly, Central Washington
Height: 6-3. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.
Projected Round (2009): 7.
3/26/08: A transfer from Washington State. Mike Reilly compiled 3,386 yards and 30 touchdowns, maintaining a completion percentage of 62.3 in 2007.


Joe Ganz, Nebraska
Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.65.
Projected Round (2009): 7-FA.
3/26/08: Considering what he was able to accomplish at the end of the 2007 season, it'll be exciting to watch Joe Ganz this year, especially now that Nebraska fans won't have to worry about Bill Callahan screwing up any game plans. In just three starts, Ganz threw for 1,399 yards, 15 touchdowns and seven picks. Nebraska scored 163 points in those three contests.






Nate Longshore, California
Height: 6-5. Weight: 233.
Projected 40 Time: 4.88.
Projected Round (2009): FA.
3/26/08: Nate Longshore regressed in his junior year after a solid sophomore campaign. He threw only 16 touchdowns and managed a completion percentage under 60. One has to wonder how much he'll struggle without DeSean Jackson, Lavelle Hawkins and Craig Stevens in 2008.


Ben Olson, UCLA
Height: 6-4. Weight: 231.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2009): FA.
3/26/08: Ben Olson struggled coming back from a knee injury in 2007, failing to complete 50 percent of his passes.

2007: Olson's 2006 season had three distinctive parts to it. In his first two games, he threw 442 yards, five touchdowns and one pick. The following two contests, Olson was guilty of four interceptions and no scores. On Oct. 7, Olson suffered a season-ending knee injury against Arizona. Thus, Olson's pretty much an enigma at this point.

One glaring negative: Olson will be 26 in April 2009. That may scare a few teams away.


Bobby Reid, Texas Southern
Height: 6-3. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.63.
Projected Round (2009): FA.
3/26/08: Bobby Reid was the quarterback that sparked the controversy between Oklahoma State's head coach and the media. Reid was reported as being a soft player whose mother fed him chicken after the game. I'd comment on this, but I don't want Mike Gundy slitting my throat or anything.

2007: A tremendous athlete, Bobby Reid leads a potent Oklahoma State offense that averaged 39.2 points per game in 2006. But that doesn't mean Reid's a great prospect. The rising junior failed to complete more than 50 percent of his passes on four occasions. He was also very inconsistent, going 23-of-35 for 411 yards and five scores at Kansas, and 11-of-31 for 145 yards, one touchdown and a pick at Texas Tech.

Reid's a scrambling quarterback, so he can get out of tight situations when pass protection fails, but his aerial game leaves much to be desired. Furthermore, one can only speculate how effective (or rather, ineffective) Reid will be once Adarius Bowman moves on to the NFL.

[Brock]

Who needed a QB?

Lions, Vikings, Dolphins, Jaguars.

[the Talking Can]

Agreed.

I believe that we already have a couple of guys that would upgrade the OL, in Taylor and Richardson.

My plan, right now, would be to draft Stafford in the first, Selvie or Spikes in the second ( I believe one of these will be there at the top of the second round), and maybe a guy like Alex Mack in the third.

works for me...though i'd be shocked to find selvie in the 2nd, but who knows...getting either would be a major coup (and why i am rooting against more than 2 wins this year...if you're going to suck, suck hard...don't go half way)....

then we need to spend some FA $$$ on a proven #2 or #3 WR, and some vet ol depth (if not a starter)....

[ChiefsCountry]

Lions, Vikings, Dolphins, Jaguars.

Vikes took Peterson
Dolphins got blasted for taking Ginn
Lions are the Lions
Jags still had Leftwich and Garrard.

[Brock]

Vikes took Peterson
Dolphins got blasted for taking Ginn
Lions are the Lions
Jags still had Leftwich and Garrard.

They all needed QBs though.

[SBK]

They all needed QBs though.

And if the guy that every other team would have taken drops past the top 10 someone is going to trade up. We needed a QB and didn't move. The Browns needed a QB and passed at 3.

If Quinn was higher rated than where he was taken someone would have drafted him higher.

[Brock]

And if the guy that every other team would have taken drops past the top 10 someone is going to trade up. We needed a QB and didn't move. The Browns needed a QB and passed at 3.

If Quinn was higher rated than where he was taken someone would have drafted him higher.

He may turn out to be good. But I don't think he would have gone #1 under any circumstances.

[ChiefsCountry]

The Browns needed a QB and passed at 3.


Browns made sure their franchise QB was going to stay upright first.

[DaKCMan AP]

Todd Boeckman, Ohio State
Projected Round (2009): 3.


HAH!

[crazycoffey]

I think the plan is for Chan/Herm to coax Cordell out of retirement. He was on "Pros vs. Joes" still awful.

[milkman]

HAH!

I watched that Wisconsin-Fresno St. game the same day that OSU played USC, and I was far more impressed with that Brandstater kid than Boekman (who hasn't ever impressed) and I wouldn't draft him.

[Pablo]

I wouldn't be too upset with Stafford, Sanchez or Bradford. Although it's only probable we'll get a chance to go after Stafford at this point. I don't see how any Chiefs fan could be disappointed with any of the 3 after watching horrible to decent QB play for the last 2+ decades.

Stafford has a slightly better arm than Bradford. He has a slightly better build. Bradford is probably the better game manager of the two, and he doesn't make mistakes. As far as mobility...they're both mobile enough to make due in this league. I can't hate on Stafford. He looks a bit rusty at times, but it's college. I expect that. I wouldn't be upset at all with the pick.

And as far as Oher possibly grading out to be the best LT prospect in years...well, we took an LT with our 15th pick. He may have been a G, but we drafted him to play LT, and he's done a pretty damn good job in his first three starts, especially going up against Abraham and Seymour.

Albert is our LT of the future, and I could understand the desire to lock up a premier left side of the line for the next 10 years, but it doesn't matter how beastly they can block if we continue to trot out scrubs like Thigpen to play behind them. You don't draft a G at #15 overall. It doesn't make sense. We have a LT, and we ought to give him a chance to develop before we decide to shuffle him inside. Albert could be the next Willie Roaf. We'll have to wait and see.

And suppose we pass on Stafford and draft Oher, or Rey, or whoever. WTF happens when we do better than expected and end up drafting 7th or 8th or some sh*t in 2010 and both Bradford and Sanchez are on the board and we miss out altogether? That would be a travesty.

[Nightfyre]

Any chance Robinson falls to rd 2? Man that would be a helluva draft.

Rd. 1 Bradford/Stafford
Rd. 2 Robinson

Sign a Vilma and an Asomugha.
Our line could be really solid then.

[milkman]

And as far as Oher possibly grading out to be the best LT prospect in years...well, we took an LT with our 15th pick. He may have been a G, but we drafted him to play LT, and he's done a pretty damn good job in his first three starts, especially going up against Abraham and Seymour.

Albert is our LT of the future, and I could understand the desire to lock up a premier left side of the line for the next 10 years, but it doesn't matter how beastly they can block if we continue to trot out scrubs like Thigpen to play behind them. You don't draft a G at #15 overall. It doesn't make sense. We have a LT, and we ought to give him a chance to develop before we decide to shuffle him inside. Albert could be the next Willie Roaf. We'll have to wait and see.

And suppose we pass on Stafford and draft Oher, or Rey, or whoever. WTF happens when we do better than expected and end up drafting 7th or 8th or some sh*t in 2010 and both Bradford and Sanchez are on the board and we miss out altogether? That would be a travesty.

This is exactly why drafting Oher over Stafford would be myopic.

Great post.

[Pablo]

Any chance Robinson falls to rd 2? Man that would be a helluva draft.

Rd. 1 Bradford/Stafford
Rd. 2 Robinson

Sign a Vilma and an Asomugha.
Our line could be really solid then.I dunno. That would be great. Mecca posted the Top 100 draft prospects a week ago or so.

I think Selvie was listed around 50. I'm sure he'll shoot up over the course of the season and the combine. But ...

1. Stafford
2. Selvie

would be pretty damn fine.

[milkman]

I dunno. That would be great. Mecca posted the Top 100 draft prospects a week ago or so.

I think Selvie was listed around 50. I'm sure he'll shoot up over the course of the season and the combine. But ...

1. Stafford
2. Selvie

would be pretty damn fine.

Really, there's going to be a hell of a lot of good players available with the 33rd pick.

[Pablo]

Really, there's going to be a hell of a lot of good players available with the 33rd pick.Oh, for sure. It would just be pretty nice to get a guy with a motor like Selvie and move Tamba back to LDE. Selvie/Dorsey/Tank/Tamba.

I could live with that set-up.

[milkman]

Oh, for sure. It would just be pretty nice to get a guy with a motor like Selvie and move Tamba back to LDE. Selvie/Dorsey/Tank/Tamba.

I could live with that set-up.

Personally, I htink Turk is going to end up better than Tamba.

He's bigger, stronger, faster and more athletic.
He's just learning, and has more upside.

Tamba will be decent rotational depth.

[Pablo]

Personally, I htink Turk is going to end up better than Tamba.

He's bigger, stronger, faster and more athletic.
He's just learning, and has more upside.

Tamba will be decent rotational depth.I could live with that as well.

[Nightfyre]

If Selvie fell out of the top 10, I would be inclined to move up and snag him. but he's not likely to.

[kepp]

If Chase Daniel wants to make it in the NFL I'd tell him to shoot up a bunch of HGH and hope he grows a few inches.

I think I'll send him some traction boots and tell him to go all David Blaine for a few days before the combine.

[Tribal Warfare]

Stafford has a slightly better arm than Bradford. He has a slightly better build. Bradford is probably the better game manager of the two, and he doesn't make mistakes. As far as mobility...they're both mobile enough to make due in this league. I can't hate on Stafford. He looks a bit rusty at times, but it's college. I expect that. I wouldn't be upset at all with the pick.

And as far as Oher possibly grading out to be the best LT prospect in years...well, we took an LT with our 15th pick. He may have been a G, but we drafted him to play LT, and he's done a pretty damn good job in his first three starts, especially going up against Abraham and Seymour.


Get your best players on the field and if one is graded out as the best at his position you take him, because he's the BPA. KC can really secure the line with Oher in the 1st and Robinson or Herman Johnson in the second round. It's not about "well he's good enough", it's about attaining the best.

[SBK]

Get your best players on the field and if one is graded out as the best at his position you take him, because he's the BPA. KC can really secure the line with Oher in the 1st and Robinson or Herman Johnson in the second round. It's not about "well he's good enough", it's about attaining the best.

We could have the best LT, LG, C, RG and RT in the history of the game at the same time and with our QB's we'd still stink.

QB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>O-line

[Tribal Warfare]

We could have the best LT, LG, C, RG and RT in the history of the game at the same time and with our QB's we'd still stink.

QB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>O-line


Without a line it doesn't matter, Hell you could have Manning/Brady here, and they would still fail because the conditions. It's all about availability too, Oher is the BPA while Stafford who people are hyping him up because of his arm, but has major issues concerning decision making. If you read Herm's comments, how the hell can rookie play with a man who's afraid of mistakesand overall development of player, by weathering those mistakes.

[SBK]

Without a line it doesn't matter, Hell you could have Manning/Brady here, and they would still fail because the conditions. It's all about availability too, Oher is the BPA while Stafford who people are hyping him up because of his arm, but has major issues concerning decision making. If you read Herm's comments, how the hell can rookie play with a man who's afraid of mistakesand overall development of player, by weathering those mistakes.

Herm and Carl will be done by the end of the year. Stafford will be the first pick by the new regime.

[Tribal Warfare]

Herm and Carl will be done by the end of the year. Stafford will be the first pick by the new regime.

Really, How do you know this concerning the regime and the slotted pick? If Kunarich is the GM, I'd suspect he'll go for the BPA which would be Oher.

[SBK]

Really, How do you know this concerning the regime and the slotted pick? If Kunarich is the GM, I'd suspect he'll go for the BPA which would be Oher.

So you're saying the best possible player in the draft would be playing RT for us? That's brilliant use of a #1 overall pick.

[Tribal Warfare]

So you're saying the best possible player in the draft would be playing RT for us? That's brilliant use of a #1 overall pick.

Nope Oher's an LT, place Albert back at OG( where he's considered all-world) or RT, then draft Herman Johnson or Duke Robinson in the 2nd round.

Oh Noes!!!!!!! We are stuck with Croyle :rolleyes:

[SBK]

Nope Oher's an LT, place Albert back at OG( where he's considered all-world) or RT, then draft Herman Johnson or Duke Robinson in the 2nd round.

Oh Noes!!!!!!! We are stuck with Croyle :rolleyes:

So taking an OG with the #15 pick, that we traded up for. Again brilliant.

And being stuck with Croyle really means being stuck with Huard and Thigpen.

[Pablo]

So you're saying the best possible player in the draft would be playing RT for us? That's brilliant use of a #1 overall pick.No sh*t.

We didn't draft Albert to play G...or RT. He was drafted to be our LT and he's doing surprisingly well for a rookie. You don't always have to take the best player available.

Hell, Crabtree might prove to be the BPA after this season's done. I don't want to take him #1 overall even if he is. We desperately need a QB we can build a team around. I wanted Brodie to be the answer. He got injured. He isn't the answer. We don't need to sign an LT and try to switch Albert around and totally nullify his entire season learning the position because Oher is the BPA. If Stafford is graded high enough, or any other QB that might come out; take them.

Who knows when we'll be in the position to grab a franchise QB again. If we do better than expected next season and don't grab a QB, then we might miss the train altogether and then what?

Wait for one of these spread offense gimmick QB's to come out and draft them and spend two seasons just letting them learn the pro style offense?

How many people would be advocating taking Crabtree if he ended up with like 1,500 yards recieving and 25 TD's?

[SBK]

I guess if Stafford, Bradford and Sanchez all stayed in school I might lean toward Oher. That's about the only way.....

[Tribal Warfare]

So taking an OG with the #15 pick, that we traded up for. Again brilliant.





An All-pro year in and year out at position deserving of the 1st round pick, yeah!!!!!!! I believe it could work! If I remember correctly Steve Hutchinson was drafted in the 1st round at the #17 spot.

[SBK]

An All-pro year in and year out at position deserving of the 1st round pick, yeah!!!!!!! I believe it could work! If I remember correctly Steve Hutchinson was drafted in the 1st round at the #17 spot.

I wouldn't take a G in the first round, especially at 15. Just like I wouldn't take a C or a FB or a P or a K with a first round pick. There's a way to build a team properly, and then there's the way you recommend....

[JimNasium]

I see that Tribal Warfare is up to his usual draft shtick, gushing over a potential draftee as the greatest thing evah. The problem is that his record is not that great. If I recall he pimped Lelie as the next great WR and you would have thought that DJ was going to be the second coming of LT.

[Tribal Warfare]

I wouldn't take a G in the first round, especially at 15. Just like I wouldn't take a C or a FB or a P or a K with a first round pick. There's a way to build a team properly, and then there's the way you recommend....

without an O-line a team can't function period. So you are essentially saying picking a player with perrenial all pro potential is a bad idea. Like you said, BRILLIANT!

[Pablo]

I wouldn't take a G in the first round, especially at 15. Just like I wouldn't take a C or a FB or a P or a K with a first round pick. There's a way to build a team properly, and then there's the way you recommend....I don't understand what people don't like about Albert. He's a great physical specimen and he's playing the position just like you'd want him too. There is nothing wrong with our incredibly young, talented LT. Nothing. Guards aren't drafted #15. They just aren't.

[Tribal Warfare]

I see that Tribal Warfare is up to his usual draft shtick, gushing over a potential draftee as the greatest thing evah. The problem is that his record is not that great. If I recall he pimped Lelie as the next great WR and you would have thought that DJ was going to be the second coming of LT.



That was the same year as John Henderson I believe, and I wanted that cat. We got Sims instead. Everyone thought DJ would be good, hell he was thought've as the #1 prospect in the draft at one point.

[Pablo]

without an O-line a team can't function period. So you are essentially saying picking a player with perrenial all pro potential is a bad idea. Like you said, BRILLIANT!Without a QB that can stay healthy a team won't ever win anything. It doesn't matter if we drafted Oher and Robinson, and moved Albert back inside and bought a legit RT. Brodie's still going to get hit or pushed down at least once or twice a game even with an all-pro line. It's going to happen. Tom Brady has a pretty damn good line. He still got his knee crushed, and Brodie will get hurt again. It's just a matter of time.

I like Brodie. I wanted him to be the guy. He got hurt in the first half of the first *****ing game of the season. And he's out 5-6 weeks or whatever.

***** that noise. He'll make us a fine back-up. He'd be great to have coming off the bench, but it's not going to work with him suiting up to start each Sunday.

[JimNasium]

That was the same year as John Henderson I believe, and I wanted that cat. We got Sims instead. Everyone thought DJ would be good, hell he was thought've as the #1 prospect in the draft at one point.
I guess my point is that you nor I have absolutely no clue who will be a success and who will be a bust. Your annual manlove and passionate arguments seem silly as a result. JMO.

[Tribal Warfare]

I don't understand what people don't like about Albert. He's a great physical specimen and he's playing the position just like you'd want him too. There is nothing wrong with our incredibly young, talented LT. Nothing. Guards aren't drafted #15. They just aren't.

Steve Hutchinson was drafted at #17, and Ruban Brown was selected at #14.