What's wrong with Dorsey?

[BigVE]

I'm in no way trying to insinuate that Dorsey may be a bust but he has sure been a disappointment so far. What is the problem? Was he just over-hyped? I do think that eventually he will come around be alright but he seems to just disappear for long stretches. Maybe the expectations for him were a bit much. What you think?

[Hammock Parties]

He's doing well against the run. He just doesn't have his pass rush down yet.

[MOhillbilly]

hes young

[MIAdragon]

I think we need to give him some time to adjust.

[Redrum_69]

um, rookie year

missed training camp

has claythan on his jockstrap since draft day

[Sure-Oz]

How's Sedrick Ellis doing?

I think Dorsey will be just fine, he has been solid vs the run, DT's do take some time to adjust to the NFL

[The Franchise]

I'm assuming that they've been double teaming him a lot.

[BigVE]

Do we expect the adjustment phase to come to fruition THIS year or not?

[L.A. Chieffan]

Cut em now. We waited too long on Sims

[kstater]

I'm assuming that they've been double teaming him a lot.

What? You haven't heard? All rookie Dlineman pull double teams. Dorsey should be good enough to get around that in his 4th game.

[Hammock Parties]

Selvin Young...meet Glenn Dorsey. Also, Ryan Clady, get the **** off Dorsey.

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[MIAdragon]

Selvin Young...meet Glenn Dorsey. Also, Ryan Clady, get the **** off Dorsey.

http://i33.tinypic.com/2ed1qih.gif

Nice, can you throw a few more of these together?

[Hammock Parties]

I'm going through the game now. If I see anything I will.

On the second play (fumble), Dorsey shoved Wiegmann 5 yards back deep into the pocket.

[Fish]

Good DT play doesn't always equate to stats. He could be doing his job very very well and some people probably would never notice he was even on the field.

If you really want to know, rewatch the game and only focus on the line of scrimmage. Specifically his side of the line. Pay attention to how many times the opponents double team him. When that happens, it usually takes him out of the play, but provides somebody else a shot at the QB or RB, or at the least weakens the other side of the line for Tank. When he's double teamed, somebody else is unblocked.

He's been improving little by little each game. The fact that he's been doubled so much already is a good sign. Teams are worrying about him, and changing their blocking to take him into consideration. That's a good thing.

[CoMoChief]

Dorsey has made some plays in the backfield.

Every DT in the NFL gets pushed around and gets beat every now and then.

[Fish]

Also pay close attention to how many times the RB is getting snagged at the LOS by a down lineman. We're improving that with each snap. And that's what has killed us in the running game.

[The Franchise]

Selvin Young...meet Glenn Dorsey. Also, Ryan Clady, get the **** off Dorsey.

http://i33.tinypic.com/2ed1qih.gif

Man our DEs suck. lol

[beach tribe]

Albert haynesworth didn't jack his rookie year either. DTs usually don't do much until about halfway through their 2nd year.

[MIAdragon]

I'm going through the game now. If I see anything I will.

On the second play (fumble), Dorsey shoved Wiegmann 5 yards back deep into the pocket.

Hey on the sack, yea the only one, I thought Dorsey was the one who pulled Cut down, can you see if thats what happened?

[BigVE]

Like I said, I'm not down on the guy I guess maybe I personally had unrealistic expectations for him. Sure, its early and I understand that but I guess I was kinda hoping that we would get a little more backfield penetration, like a young Warren Sapp. Double teams will negate a lot for sure. I have seen the improvement but I have also seen him and out other D-linemen being gassed by the 3rd quarter.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Hey on the sack, yea the only one, I thought Dorsey was the one who pulled Cut down, can you see if thats what happened?

You mean Johnston and Johnson? The FBI guys?

[ferrarispider95]

Also late in the game when Cutler was doing the no huddle, Dorsey is the only one that didn't rotate out when they had a break.

[beach tribe]

Like I said, I'm not down on the guy I guess maybe I personally had unrealistic expectations for him. Sure, its early and I understand that but I guess I was kinda hoping that we would get a little more backfield penetration, like a young Warren Sapp. Double teams will negate a lot for sure. I have seen the improvement but I have also seen him and out other D-linemen being gassed by the 3rd quarter.

Warren Sapp had 17 total tackles, and three sacks his rookie season.

[MIAdragon]

Like I said, I'm not down on the guy I guess maybe I personally had unrealistic expectations for him. Sure, its early and I understand that but I guess I was kinda hoping that we would get a little more backfield penetration, like a young Warren Sapp. Double teams will negate a lot for sure. I have seen the improvement but I have also seen him and out other D-linemen being gassed by the 3rd quarter.

A little late.

[BigVE]

Warren Sapp had 17 total tackles, and three sacks his rookie season.


That's nice. I said a "young Warren Sapp", not Sapp as a rookie. I mean the Sapp from Tampa Bay who was a game changer for so many years, nobody could stop him when he was in his prime. THAT is what I hope for with Dorsey. Some day soon.

[beach tribe]

That's nice. I said a "young Warren Sapp", not Sapp as a rookie. I mean the Sapp from Tampa Bay who was a game changer for so many years, nobody could stop him when he was in his prime. THAT is what I hope for with Dorsey. Some day soon.

Well to compare him to sapp, you would have to compare him at the same point in their careers. I'd say he's about on par.

[MIAdragon]

Well to compare him to sapp, you would have to compare him at the same point in their careers. I'd say he's about on par.

Agree 100%

[HemiEd]

Also pay close attention to how many times the RB is getting snagged at the LOS by a down lineman. We're improving that with each snap. And that's what has killed us in the running game.

I totally agree with this, a big improvment in that area.

[Bwana]

I was keeping an eye on him for most of the contest and he is doing fine for this early in the game.

[Hammock Parties]

Dorsey sucks up double team, DJ kills RB.

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[beach tribe]

Dorsey sucks up double team, DJ kills RB.

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Awesome. Didn't get pushed back either.

[beach tribe]

Actually penetrated between them.

[TRR]

Dorsey has played very well when I've watched him. Defensive Tackle is not a sexy position. I think a lot of people try and judge the guy on sacks, but the best DT's eat up double teams, stuff runs, and draw penalties for offensive holding. I've seen a combination of all three out of Dorsey already.

[Hootie]

the worth of a DT isn't always in the total number of sacks...in most cases, DT's don't get very many sacks at all.

[kcxiv]

Our DT's are playign well, Both Tank and Dorsey are, our Ends are a big problem right now.

[Sure-Oz]

Think Dorsey can become a Sapp or Haynesworth type of player?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

You mean Johnston and Johnson? The FBI guys?

It's like ****in' Saigon, eh, Slick?

I was in junior high, dickhead.

[Hootie]

Think Dorsey can become a Sapp or Haynesworth type of player?

From what I've understood the Chiefs are using him as more of a run stuffer, double team eater than a pass rushing, gap shooter! This sounds like a cheap porno...

[Donger]

What's his health status?

[beach tribe]

From what I've understood the Chiefs are using him as more of a run stuffer, double team eater than a pass rushing, gap shooter! This sounds like a cheap porno...

Actually Herm has said that Dorsey will be a penetrater, in the Sapp mold ala TB, which makes the most sense.Tank will be the space eater, and dorsey will be the under tackle, but Dorsey has been getting DTed, which makes it look like he's eating space.

[Hammock Parties]

From what I've understood the Chiefs are using him as more of a run stuffer, double team eater than a pass rushing, gap shooter! This sounds like a cheap porno...

No, they want him to shoot gaps...he's struggling in his pass rush right now for sure.

[beach tribe]

Think Dorsey can become a Sapp or Haynesworth type of player?

Sapp, and Haynesworth are two very different types of Tackles, but yes, he could very well be as good as them, but more comparable to Sapp.

[Hootie]

Meh. I guess I misunderstood. We need to get a pass rushing DE and then I think it will do wonders for Dorsey.

I am pretty encouraged by the 2nd year progression of Turk and Tank, though.

[StcChief]

Whole lotta improvement on DL allow LBs to make plays. Hope it's not Donxs and we are starting to Gell.

[beach tribe]

Meh. I guess I misunderstood. We need to get a pass rushing DE and then I think it will do wonders for Dorsey.

I am pretty encouraged by the 2nd year progression of Turk and Tank, though.

Me too. One pleasant surprise. I questioned Turk's intensity because of his off the field demeanor, but he's fiery on the field.

[Bowser]

It's like ****in' Saigon, eh, Slick?

I was in junior high, dickhead.


You forgot the "Woooo-HOOOOOO!!" part.

[Donger]

You forgot the "Woooo-HOOOOOO!!" part.

Wasn't it more of a "Yeeeeaaaahhhhhaaa!"?

[Bowser]

Wasn't it more of a "Yeeeeaaaahhhhhaaa!"?

I stand corrected.

[Reerun_KC]

um, rookie year

missed training camp

has claythan on his jockstrap since draft day


HEHE! Claythan... Swinging in the strap.... http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/nutswinger.gif

[Bowser]

I stand corrected.

It was worth it just to see you type Yeeeeeaaaahhhhhaaaaaa. :D

[Hammock Parties]

um, rookie year

missed training camp

has claythan on his jockstrap since draft day

Dorsey missed TWO DAYS of training camp.

[Donger]

It was worth it just to see you type Yeeeeeaaaahhhhhaaaaaa. :D

LMAO

That's the noise I make when crude goes up, BTW.

So, what's Dorsey's status? I saw/heard him cry out when they were carting him off. Dislocated elbow?

[The Franchise]

LMAO

That's the noise I make when crude goes up, BTW.

So, what's Dorsey's status? I saw/heard him cry out when they were carting him off. Dislocated elbow?

I'm pretty sure that was Albert.

[L.A. Chieffan]

It's like ****in' Saigon, eh, Slick?

I was in junior high, dickhead.

HAAAAMAS. BOOBY.

I'm your white knight.

[Bowser]

LMAO

That's the noise I make when crude goes up, BTW.

So, what's Dorsey's status? I saw/heard him cry out when they were carting him off. Dislocated elbow?

You're thinking Albert. Don't know how long he'll be out, but I'd guess a minimum of two weeks.

[Donger]

I'm pretty sure that was Albert.

I'm a retart. Thanks.

[Donger]

HAAAAMAS. BOOBY.

I'm your white knight.

Did anyone else cringe when Hans used his "American" accent?

[Bowser]

Did anyone else cringe when Hans used his "American" accent?

CLAY. Bill...Clay. *big smile*

[Donger]

CLAY. Bill...Clay. *big smile*

"You're one a them, aren't ya?! You're one a them! Please, please! Please don't kill me!"

English people shouldn't be allowed to impersonate Americans. Ever.

[B_Ambuehl]

Right now the biggest contribution Dorsey has made to this football team has come about in the much improved play of Tank Tyler. Right now Tank is what many expected Dorsey to be - he's the one causing havoc and drawing the consistent double teams. If Dorsey can catch up those 2 are going to be more than a handful.

[L.A. Chieffan]

(After every Brodie sack)

OH MY GOD THE QUARTERBACK IS TOAST!!!!!!

[Donger]

(After every Brodie sack)

OH MY GOD THE QUARTERBACK IS TOAST!!!!!!

LMAO

[Bowser]

(After every Brodie sack)

OH MY GOD, THE QUARTERBACK IS TOAST!!!!!!

LMAO

"You have given out too much reputation in the past 24 hours, try again later"

[Pablo]

Per nfl.com, Dorsey already has 13 tackles, 9 of those solo, and 4 were assists.

I've seen him get pushed around a bit, but I've also watched him take on double teams with little effort, and get decent penetration. Our young line has a lot of room for improvement, but he'll probably get a couple of sacks this year, and amass a hell of lot more tackles than Sapp did in his rookie year, going by the stats posted earlier in this thread.

[beach tribe]

Per nfl.com, Dorsey already has 13 tackles, 9 of those solo, and 4 were assists.

I've seen him get pushed around a bit, but I've also watched him take on double teams with little effort, and get decent penetration. Our young line has a lot of room for improvement, but he'll probably get a couple of sacks this year, and amass a hell of lot more tackles than Sapp did in his rookie year, going by the stats posted earlier in this thread.

:rockon:

[L.A. Chieffan]

McFadden still has more rushing yards...

[Priest31kc]

hey clayton you should post those little videos on Coalition, one of my friends is concerned about Dorsey, and Im sure those videos will show him all about Dorsey.

[beach tribe]

hey clayton you should post those little videos on Coalition, one of my friends is concerned about Dorsey, and Im sure those videos will show him all about Dorsey.

Maybe he should come to the planet.

[The Bad Guy]

From what I've understood the Chiefs are using him as more of a run stuffer, double team eater than a pass rushing, gap shooter! This sounds like a cheap porno...

Which is completely contradictory to how they said they were going to use him after the draft.

They said they were going to turn him loose.

Tyler should be the one eating up double teams.

[Delano]

Which is completely contradictory to how they said they were going to use him after the draft.

They said they were going to turn him loose.

Tyler should be the one eating up double teams.

Maybe they (Tyler and Dorsey) both need to command double teams so our worthless ends can do something worthwhile.

[Red Dawg]

Dorsey sucks up double team, DJ kills RB.

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The man is doing his job!

[RustShack]

Maybe they want Tank to be double teamed but other teams are doing it do Dorsey instead since hes more of a threat?

[Mr. Laz]

hopefully he just has Rookie-itis

[Priest31kc]

Maybe he should come to the planet.

lol good point

[SBK]

The way it looks now, next year, the year after maybe we're going to have 2 DOMINANT DT's. Hopefully we can get a DE or 2 that become that way as well.

[ILChief]

d-tackles typically don't put up huge stats. their primary job is to occupy blockers for linebackes to make plays.

[milkman]

The way it looks now, next year, the year after maybe we're going to have 2 DOMINANT DT's. Hopefully we can get a DE or 2 that become that way as well.

You know, Turk, unless I'm mistaken, played some DE in college.

But realistically, he's learning LDE on the job in the NFL this year.

In watching him, I think he has some real potential to become a hell of a player there, and combined with Tank and GD, we just might have 3/4 of a dominating D-line.

Add a badass on the right side, with Tamba and Brian Johnston as depth, and we could really be onto something.

[milkman]

You know, Turk, unless I'm mistaken, played some DE in college.

But realistically, he's learning LDE on the job in the NFL this year.

In watching him, I think he has some real potential to become a hell of a player there, and combined with Tank and GD, we just might have 3/4 of a dominating D-line.

Add a badass on the right side, with Tamba and Brian Johnston as depth, and we could really be onto something.

That being said, I still don't understand why GD is playing the nose, and Tank is playing under.

They should be switched.

[SAUTO]

damn milkman you frickin qouted YOURSELFLMAO classic

[Mecca]

That being said, I still don't understand why GD is playing the nose, and Tank is playing under.

They should be switched.

Because we have an incompetent Dline coach...

[SAUTO]

Because we have an incompetent Dline coach...

what makes you feel that way?

[Hammock Parties]

Dorsey is playing the same position he played in college.

[Mecca]

what makes you feel that way?

The only thing he does that makes people think he's a good coach is yell, the only guys he's coached that achieved anything were guys who were already good in Schobel and Allen, after that it's guys like Ron Edwards...

[SBK]

You know, Turk, unless I'm mistaken, played some DE in college.

But realistically, he's learning LDE on the job in the NFL this year.

In watching him, I think he has some real potential to become a hell of a player there, and combined with Tank and GD, we just might have 3/4 of a dominating D-line.

Add a badass on the right side, with Tamba and Brian Johnston as depth, and we could really be onto something.

I agree. Turk may end up being pretty good.

[Hammock Parties]

The only thing he does that makes people think he's a good coach is yell

I really wish you'd stop spouting this ignorant bullshit every chance you get.

[milkman]

Dorsey is playing the same position he played in college.

Yes he is, and when the Chiefs drafted him, I seem to recall that Herman ****ing Edwards addressed this.

I don't know/remember if he actually siad he was going to be moved to undertackle, if if the things he said only led to that assumption on my part.

I do know, if he wants GD to be the guy to get consistent penetration, then the spot that is position that he would be most effective is the undertackle.

[Mecca]

I really wish you'd stop spouting this ignorant bullshit every chance you get.

Buffalo fans think the same thing......it's what he is, he likes guys who lack talent and then doesn't coach them very well.

[milkman]

I really wish you'd stop spouting this ignorant bullshit every chance you get.

The problem here is, mecca is absolutely right.

Cunther is ****ing useless.

[milkman]

Also Claythan, I know you frequent the Coalition, so you must have seen the post that fomerDB wrote in which he discussed his friendship with a Steeler asst. who told him that many coaches around the league have a low opinion of Cunther.

[Hammock Parties]

I wasn't talking about Gunther. I was talking about Krumrie.

Gunther is pretty overrated, I agree.

[Mecca]

I think they both suck.

[Hammock Parties]

I think they both suck.

Well, they're part of the Kansas City Chiefs, so that's obvious.

[milkman]

I wasn't talking about Gunther. I was talking about Krumrie.

Gunther is pretty overrated, I agree.

Sorry, I glossed over mecca's post.
I assumed he was talking about Cunther.

But I do agree with him about Krumrie.
He comes from the same mold as Cunther.


We need a teacher, not a loud mouth.

[The Bad Guy]

Dorsey is playing the same position he played in college.

And that's a mistake.

He was put there in college to free up everyone else.

The guy is a disruptive force, who should be cut loose.

Again, the Chiefs said they were going to turn him loose. They haven't done that.

[Deberg_1990]

Well, they're part of the Kansas City Chiefs, so that's obvious.

I like how you assume everyone who plays or coaches for the KC Chiefs is a stud by default.

When was the last time we won a Super Bowl again????

[Hammock Parties]

I like how you assume everyone who plays or coaches for the KC Chiefs is a stud by default.

When was the last time we won a Super Bowl again????

I really don't...did you miss all my posts ripping Thigpen?

[Mecca]

I like how you assume everyone who plays or coaches for the KC Chiefs is a stud by default.

When was the last time we won a Super Bowl again????

It's just like the people who think I hate everything about the Chiefs because I don't like the coaching staff or some of the players.

[Tiger's Fan]

It's just like the people who think I hate everything about the Chiefs because I don't like the coaching staff or any of the players.

FYP

[Deberg_1990]

I really don't...did you miss all my posts ripping Thigpen?


Come on....hes an easy target. Its obvious he sucks.

[Hammock Parties]

Come on....hes an easy target. Its obvious he sucks.

Dude I rip plenty of Chiefs players. During training camp I was telling everyone how Hali was getting his ass kicked every day.

[Deberg_1990]

I just dont understand why alot of Chiefs fan still look at Gunther as some sort of godlike figure.

[Mecca]

I just dont understand why alot of Chiefs fan still look at Gunther as some sort of godlike figure.

Dan Dierdorf keeps calling him a KC Icon, that alone makes me wanna move.

[beach tribe]

It's just like the people who think I hate everything about the Chiefs because I don't like the coaching staff or some of the players.

Honestly Mecca, It's because you only focus on the negative.

You never give recognition to things that could be panning out. Like our rookie corners, or D-Bowe, or anything for that matter. you have agood knowlege of football, everyone knows that, but you will always be associated with bashing the Chiefs because no one has anything else in their minds except all the things that suck when they think of you, because it's all you ever talk about. Yes, there are a ton of things wrong with this team, but there are some good things that can be noted, but you never bother with any of that, and people get tired of just hearing about how shitty we are all the time.

[Mecca]

I said a bunch of nice things yesterday...

[Deberg_1990]

I said a bunch of nice things yesterday...

Could u repost that please for those of us that missed it?

[Mecca]

Could u repost that please for those of us that missed it?

Well I said the corners played well and the Dline was showing good things other than Hali. DJ played well but I'm hesitant with that because he's always been inconsistent.

More people would notice the line playing well if we had a legit pass rusher on the end.

[Deberg_1990]

Well I said the corners played well and the Dline was showing good things other than Hali. DJ played well but I'm hesitant with that because he's always been inconsistent.

More people would notice the line playing well if we had a legit pass rusher on the end.

Milkman said something yesterday to the effect of DJ played better because of the strong play of Williams on the other side as opposed to ancient Donnie Edwards. Care to elaborate?

[beach tribe]

I stand corrected.

"The corners are fine. I've seen more from them in a month than I've seen from Bernard Pollard in 3 years."[Mecca/]

[xbarretx]

Dan Dierdorf keeps calling him a KC Icon, that alone makes me wanna move.

who else on our staff had as much success (in the past) as gun? hes at least got that...so by default he does seem godlike. Guns at least had a high water mark.... i dread trying to ponder Herms high point, maybe for him it was when he was on the Coors commercial talking about 7-11 :hmmm:

[BWillie]

people thought mario williams was a bust until his second year too

[Mecca]

people thought mario williams was a bust until his second year too

Well people are looking at this wrong a DT isn't gonna get 10 sacks, if we don't sit in a spot to get a QB then it better be a DE.

[beach tribe]

Well people are looking at this wrong a DT isn't gonna get 10 sacks, if we don't sit in a spot to get a QB then it better be a DE.

Who are the top flight DEs coming out, and how high are they projecting at this point?

[Mecca]

Who are the top flight DEs coming out, and how high are they projecting at this point?

Michael Johnson and George Selvie are probably going to be the top 2.....Selvie is an underclassman though. Then there are guys like Tyson Jackson who don't fit what we do he's like 290.

I guess after them comes Brian Orakpo down at Texas, but there's some serious dropoff after the top 2 guys.

[xbarretx]

Michael Johnson and George Selvie are probably going to be the top 2.....Selvie is an underclassman though. Then there are guys like Tyson Jackson who don't fit what we do he's like 290.

I guess after them comes Brian Orakpo down at Texas, but there's some serious dropoff after the top 2 guys.

so are they top 10 material? top 20? 2nd rd? overall? i think thats what he was asking.

[El Pendejo]

There's nothing wrong with Dorsey.

[ChiefsCountry]

Johnson is top 5, Selvie is anywhere from 5 to early 2nd.

[Mecca]

so are they top 10 material? top 20? 2nd rd? overall? i think thats what he was asking.

Johnson is because he's 6'7 with room to grow and major athletic ability...Selvie has outstanding pass rush skills and could very well be a top 10 guy, alot of it will come down to his weight, if he's 260 he'll be very much up there if he comes in at say 240, he'll be more viewed as a 3-4 OLB.

That's really the only question with Selvie is whether he is an end or a rush backer.

[xbarretx]

Johnson is top 5, Selvie is anywhere from 5 to early 2nd.

thanks CC :thumb:

[beach tribe]

Do you think Selvie's frame is big enough to put on any more mass? He put on 15 lbs this offseason to get to 245. You think he's maxed out? His frame looks kind of thin.

[Mecca]

Do you think Selvie's frame is big enough to put on any more mass? He put on 15 lbs this offseason to get to 245. You think he's maxed out? His frame looks kind of thin.

He can play end at 250-255 so I don't think it's that big of a deal. Jason Taylor has a thin frame too....

I'd rather have that than say Tyson Jackson who is 290 out there, he's like another McBride basically.

[xbarretx]

Johnson is because he's 6'7 with room to grow and major athletic ability...Selvie has outstanding pass rush skills and could very well be a top 10 guy, alot of it will come down to his weight, if he's 260 he'll be very much up there if he comes in at say 240, he'll be more viewed as a 3-4 OLB.

That's really the only question with Selvie is whether he is an end or a rush backer.

thanks as well Mec, so lemme ask this.

considering the lackluster potential at QB for the 09 class (as compared to past years...) what pos do you think we go first? lets say we get a top 5 pick ... or a top 10 . i think both are safe bets as to how we are going to finish this season .

[Mecca]

thanks as well Mec, so lemme ask this.

considering the lackluster potential at QB for the 09 class (as compared to past years...) what pos do you think we go first? lets say we get a top 5 pick ... or a top 10 . i think both are safe bets as to how we are going to finish this season .

I think this class will end up with the QB's being higher rated than last years...

It has to be QB or DE because those are 2 of the 3 most valuable positions and we really have only made a move for 1 of the positions in LT so far.

[xbarretx]

I think this class will end up with the QB's being higher rated than last years...

It has to be QB or DE because those are 2 of the 3 most valuable positions and we really have only made a move for 1 of the positions in LT so far.

:hail: thanks

i need to start studying for 09's class. I've been slacking ROFL

[ChiefsCountry]

Really depends who comes out at QB and where we pick. We have to be top 3 IMO to get either a QB or DE this year unless Bradford and Stafford both come out.

[beach tribe]

He can play end at 250-255 so I don't think it's that big of a deal. Jason Taylor has a thin frame too....

I'd rather have that than say Tyson Jackson who is 290 out there, he's like another McBride basically.

I hear ya, I don't want anymore huge DEs, but I also don't want a guy getting man handled. JT was thin, but VERY muscular, and strong, and still had problems with strong Ts.

[xbarretx]

Really depends who comes out at QB and where we pick. We have to be top 3 IMO to get either a QB or DE this year unless Bradford and Stafford both come out.

well, depending on how often Herm ties the O-calling up and holds it for ransom..thats a possibility. heres to top 3 ... uh i mean :deevee:

[Mecca]

I hear ya, I don't want anymore huge DEs, but I also don't want a guy getting man handled. JT was thin, but VERY muscular, and strong, and still had problems with strong Ts.

Well Michael Johnson basically looks exactly like Jason Taylor he's 6'7 and if he weighs more than 250lbs I'd be stunned....

[beach tribe]

I think this class will end up with the QB's being higher rated than last years...

It has to be QB or DE because those are 2 of the 3 most valuable positions and we really have only made a move for 1 of the positions in LT so far.

I was telling everyone last year that the QBs would emerge when everyone was saying that this QB class would be worse than last years. I think this one is actually better. We should definitely go after one even if we have to move up.

[Mecca]

Well if none of the underclassmen come out that changes....there isn't a senior worth a top 15 pick I think there will be 2 with end of round 1 grades.

[beach tribe]

Well if none of the underclassmen come out that changes....there isn't a senior worth a top 15 pick I think there will be 2 with end of round 1 grades.

Truthiness.

[Direckshun]

I haven't read this thread, but the premise is just embarrassing.

DTs are basically walking experiments their first year.

[Tribal Warfare]

Johnson is top 5, Selvie is anywhere from 5 to early 2nd.

Michael Johnson has a big bust factor though

[kcchiefsus]

Albert Haynesworth had 4.5 sacks in his first 3 years in the league. He had 6 last year and already has 5 this year. Judging a defensive tackle this early is pretty ****ing stupid.

[dtebbe]

He gets doubled about 70% of the time, which I think is pretty damn awesome for a rookie. That means someone else is free.

DT

[alanm]

That's nice. I said a "young Warren Sapp", not Sapp as a rookie. I mean the Sapp from Tampa Bay who was a game changer for so many years, nobody could stop him when he was in his prime. THAT is what I hope for with Dorsey. Some day soon.
So basically you expect Dorsey to be all pro this year. :rolleyes:

[El Pendejo]

Albert Haynesworth had 4.5 sacks in his first 3 years in the league. He had 6 last year and already has 5 this year. Judging a defensive tackle this early is pretty ****ing stupid.

Once again...I hate the chiefs as much as the next reasonable person...but this is a good post.

The interior of the chiefs D line is tits. Dorsey is fine. Albert is fine...a wee bit of a puss...but fine nonetheless.

[SBK]

Once again...I hate the chiefs as much as the next reasonable person...but this is a good post.

The interior of the chiefs D line is tits. Dorsey is fine. Albert is fine...a wee bit of a puss...but fine nonetheless.

You're wrong about one thing, reasonable people love the Chiefs. :D

[Ugly Duck]

What's wrong with Dorsey?

Al Davis heh-heh

[Howlin Wolf]

for a rookie, he looks fine to me.

[mylittlepony]

Mecca how do you see Greg Hardy fit into the picture. He has 3 sacks in 2 games against Florida and TCU so far. He looked REAL good last year.

[Mecca]

Well he's a junior....I don't think he's a bad prospect he has good size and moves and has been pretty productive on a lower tiered SEC team. The only guy I'd steer clear of is Greg Middleton, he's basically a left end in the NFL or strong side end he's a bit bigger and slower...think Turk McBride with better pass rush moves.

If we're gonna talk underclassmen though outside of Selvie I'm a pretty big proponent of what Maurice Evans brings to the table.

[the Talking Can]

I'm in no way trying to insinuate that Dorsey may be a bust but he has sure been a disappointment so far. What is the problem? Was he just over-hyped? I do think that eventually he will come around be alright but he seems to just disappear for long stretches. Maybe the expectations for him were a bit much. What you think?

do you realize that DTs don't catch TD passes?

[the Talking Can]

You know, Turk, unless I'm mistaken, played some DE in college.

But realistically, he's learning LDE on the job in the NFL this year.

In watching him, I think he has some real potential to become a hell of a player there, and combined with Tank and GD, we just might have 3/4 of a dominating D-line.

Add a badass on the right side, with Tamba and Brian Johnston as depth, and we could really be onto something.

i'm down with this