Matt Stafford should be the QB we target

[ChiefsCountry]

As many of you know I was a big supporter of Sam Bradford as our choice for quarterback of the Chiefs through the draft and my opinion on Matt Stafford was iffy. But as I said in these posts - I would give him a chance to change my mind:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5051335&postcount=313
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5051573&postcount=323

I DVRed all of the Georgia games - Alabama, Vandy, Tennessee, and LSU. Plus all of the Oklahoma games - TCU, Texas, Baylor, Kansas, and Kansas State. I am sick of hearing Sic em Dawgs and Boomer Sooner by the way. By biggest concern watching Stafford last year was his decision making and from the South Carolina game this year. From Alabama on to present, he has greatly improved in that regard. He forces alot of stuff bc of the confidence he has in his arm, but that is something that is correctable with the right coaching. Another ChiefsPlanet myth is that he doesnt have that much talent to play with - Green will be a first rounder and Massaquoi will get a paycheck in the NFL. Thats alot more than alot of teams. Granted its not like Oklahoma but other than USC and Texas, who has that kind of talent that Oklahoma does. His line is sort of suspect mainly bc its pretty young. IMO he has grown up quite a bit as a leader, which was another of my concerns with him. That Georgia team has rallied around him look at the LSU game for example. I think he has it all to be the franchise quarterback.

Now to Bradford, I still like him alot just not as the #1 guy anymore. I think he will be a great NFL quarterback. Just I have a few more questions on him right now but put him in the right situation and look out.

[RustShack]

Stafford for Chiefs future!!! Fuck you Detroit!

[MIAdragon]

Well its settled then.

[Mecca]

And he finally comes around...as much as I like SC I think only 1 of their WR's has a legit NFL future maybe 2 if Ronald Johnson develops.

[alanm]

Stafford for Chiefs future!!! **** you Detroit!Doesn't matter if we want him or not he won't be there if Detroit remains winless. Because sure as hell they'll be all over him first.

[Nero's Neptune]

I DVRed all of the Georgia games - Alabama, Vandy, Tennessee, and LSU. Plus all of the Oklahoma games - TCU, Texas, Baylor, Kansas, and Kansas State. I am sick of hearing Sic em Dawgs and Boomer Sooner by the way. By biggest concern watching Stafford last year was his decision making and from the South Carolina game this year. From Alabama on to present, he has greatly improved in that regard. He forces alot of stuff bc of the confidence he has in his arm, but that is something that is correctable with the right coaching. Another ChiefsPlanet myth is that he doesnt have that much talent to play with - Green will be a first rounder and Massaquoi will get a paycheck in the NFL. Thats alot more than alot of teams. Granted its not like Oklahoma but other than USC and Texas, who has that kind of talent that Oklahoma does. His line is sort of suspect mainly bc its pretty young. IMO he has grown up quite a bit as a leader, which was another of my concerns with him. That Georgia team has rallied around him look at the LSU game for example. I think he has it all to be the franchise quarterback.

Now to Bradford, I still like him alot just not as the #1 guy anymore. I think he will be a great NFL quarterback. Just I have a few more questions on him right now but put him in the right situation and look out.[/QUOTE]

Dick Curl?

[Mecca]

Well preferably all these coaches will be gone......hell there are guys in the NFL now that are successful who think to much of their arms sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.

Favre played like that from his good years to now.

[kcxiv]

As horrible as we are, we arent the worst team in the NFL. So we wont be picking 1-2 i think. Detroit and Cinci.

[Deberg_1990]

Stafford will be a bust, just like Matt Ryan was!!

[jaa1025]

Say no to Stafford, Say yes to Freeman!!

[Mr. Arrowhead]

glad you came around and have seen the light

[ChiefsCountry]

Say no to Stafford, Say yes to Freeman!!

:ksu::homer:

[Deberg_1990]

Detroit and Cinci.



That last game of the year Cinci Vs. Chiefs is shaping up to be huge.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Say no to Stafford, Say yes to Freeman!!

LMAO I dont have a big problem with Freeman, but if your saying that we should take Freeman over stafford, then your on some major Drugs

[KCCHIEFS27]

Lions have a QBOTF..there bringing in Culpepper to teach the young D.Stanton the x's and o's of the game..they won't take a QB if at number 1..and my question to the planet is, what happens when Tyler Thigpen wins 5 or 6 games this year?

[Mecca]

The Bengals aren't drafting a QB Palmer is signed to a huge contract through 2014.

[Mecca]

Lions have a QBOTF..there bringing in Culpepper to teach the young D.Stanton the x's and o's of the game..they won't take a QB if at number 1..and my question to the planet is, what happens when Tyler Thigpen wins 5 or 6 games this year?

Tyler Thigpen will be lucky to win one game..if you haven't noticed the Jets aren't a very good team.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Lions have a QBOTF..there bringing in Culpepper to teach the young D.Stanton the x's and o's of the game..they won't take a QB if at number 1..and my question to the planet is, what happens when Tyler Thigpen wins 5 or 6 games this year?

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The one thing Chiefs fans should be hoping for is that Brian Orakpo has some ungodly fucking workouts--I'm talking Mike Mamula breeds with Gholston with a little Calvin Johnson mixed in.

He needs to be so tantalizing, that Detroit simply cannot pass him up with #1 overall (and hopefully their new staff is high on Stanton).

Your other hope is that Oher makes Roaf look like Jordan Black at the combine.

That's our only contingency plan.

[Mecca]

The one thing Chiefs fans should be hoping for is that Brian Orakpo has some ungodly fucking workouts--I'm talking Mike Mamula breeds with Gholston with a little Calvin Johnson mixed in.

He needs to be so tantalizing, that Detroit simply cannot pass him up with #1 overall (and hopefully their new staff is high on Stanton).

Your other hope is that Oher makes Roaf look like Jordan Black at the combine.

That's our only contingency plan.

Michael Johnson could put up numbers like that...the guy who I think blows the field away on combine day is Vontae Davis though.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

What round was stanton drafted in?

[Direckshun]

I'm starting to think we may be better off taking a shot at a 3rd or 4th rounder this year and waiting for a more talented crop in 2010.

But I'm evolving on this all the time. Right now I'm loving one of those OTs as our first rounder.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Michael Johnson could put up numbers like that...the guy who I think blows the field away on combine day is Vontae Davis though.

Orakpo has a 500+ lb. bench and squats over 650...or so the rumor is. If he actually runs in the 4.6 range, that would give him workouts equivalent to Gholston.

Johnson will not rep an insanely high number, his arms are too long.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

What round was stanton drafted in?

2nd pick of the 2nd round, IIRC.

[Mecca]

I'm starting to think we may be better off taking a shot at a 3rd or 4th rounder this year and waiting for a more talented crop in 2010.

But I'm evolving on this all the time. Right now I'm loving one of those OTs as our first rounder.

You need to verify this because Stafford would be the 1st pick of the next 3 or 4 drafts maybe more depending on what is way down the line....

So I'm not seeing this more talented crop.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

2nd pick of the 2nd round, IIRC.
I wonder why he hasnt seen the field

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I wonder why he hasnt seen the field

Injuries.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

You need to verify this because Stafford would be the 1st pick of the next 3 or 4 drafts maybe more depending on what is way down the line....

So I'm not seeing this more talented crop.

Assuming almost no one comes out next year:

You would have

Sanchez
Bradford
Freeman
Jevan Snead
Colt McCoy

Maybe guys like Jimmy Clausen, Mitch Mustain (ROFL) or Juice LMAO


I don't see it either, but I'm not that eazy guy who is absolutely infatuated with Freeman.

[Mecca]

If this team drafted Colt McCoy I'd give up, his red flags should just flash to everyone to stay away.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

If this team drafted Colt McCoy I'd give up, his red flags should just flash to everyone to stay away.


Yeah but he's a leader and he's in the Big XII.

[KCrockaholic]

Doesn't matter if we want him or not he won't be there if Detroit remains winless. Because sure as hell they'll be all over him first.

its gonna come down to Chiefs vs Bengals man. late in the season, #1 pick bowl! loser, wins

[Mecca]

Yeah but he's a leader and he's in the Big XII.

Considering nearly every single team in the big 12 is running the spread now I don't really think we should be drafting any offensive players from that conference...

[KCrockaholic]

Yeah but he's a leader and he's in the Big XII.

ill take him as a back-up

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Considering nearly every single team in the big 12 is running the spread now I don't really think we should be drafting any offensive players from that conference...

I'd draft Duke Robinson.

[KCrockaholic]

Considering nearly every single team in the big 12 is running the spread now I don't really think we should be drafting any offensive players from that conference...

maybe except wide reciever.

[KCrockaholic]

Assuming almost no one comes out next year:

You would have

Sanchez
Bradford
Freeman
Jevan Snead
Colt McCoy

Maybe guys like Jimmy Clausen, Mitch Mustain (ROFL) or Juice LMAO


I don't see it either, but I'm not that eazy guy who is absolutely infatuated with Freeman.

honestly Freeman sucks, Bradford might not even come out this year, hes only a redshirt sophomore...he could easily stay and contend for Heisman next year

[ChiefsCountry]

Considering nearly every single team in the big 12 is running the spread now I don't really think we should be drafting any offensive players from that conference...

I'd draft Maclin.

[Mecca]

Robinson is obviously an exception, and for that other post, playing in the spread hurts WR's in their development for the NFL game.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I'd draft Maclin.

I'd have a concern about his route running seeing that pretty much every play Missouri runs is a screen, drag or flat/curl combo.

[Mecca]

I'd draft Maclin.

I wouldn't..not for where he's gonna get picked anyway. His 40 time will vault him in a bad WR year probably into the middle of the 1st round and I don't see him being worth that. I don't think he's ever a #1 in the NFL.

[Direckshun]

Considering nearly every single team in the big 12 is running the spread now I don't really think we should be drafting any offensive players from that conference...

Weren't you pimping Crabtree a couple months ago?

"Bowe + Crabtree would help out our run game"? Ring any bells?

[ChiefsCountry]

Maclin would be the perfect fit next to Bowe.

[Mecca]

Weren't you pimping Crabtree a couple months ago?

"Bowe + Crabtree would help out our run game"? Ring any bells?

You know I've watched more of that guy......I'm not really sure what he is...in the NFL game he won't be considered fast, so then you start to think what is he? Is he Larry Fitzgerald or is he just another big time college player who struggles in the NFL because he can't separate.

[EyePod]

Does Stafford run the spread?

[ChiefsCountry]

Does Stafford run the spread?

No, Georgia runs a Pro Set.

[Mecca]

Does Stafford run the spread?

No Georgia actually does this really funky thing where the QB takes snaps from under center.

[EyePod]

No Georgia actually does this really funky thing where the QB takes snaps from under center.

I just get afraid of QB's that are always taking the snaps from the gun. Thanks for answering btw. I mean, I really thought Cutler and Matt Ryan would be blowing the big ones by now, but I really think that them being on just above average teams (not the amazingly offensive ones) helped them. They were used to being chased down in a game and having to make throws under pressure. I wouldn't be suprised if Leinart was sacked less than 20 times in his career, and look at him sucking it up... (on the bench)

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The WR I like most in this draft is Darius Heyward Bey. No way he lasts til the second, though.

[duncan_idaho]

Does Stafford run the spread?

No. At least not all the time.

Oklahoma runs a combination of pro-style and shotgun spread. They run hurry-up occasionally, but not exclusively.

I'm of the opinion that if Bradford isn't there this year, you take the best OL on the board (Michael Oher? The Bama tackle - know he's too short to play LT, but I think he could be a very good RT), suck for another year and try to grab Bradford or another QB next year.

Just say "no" to Matt "Jeff George" Stafford.

[Chief Bootknocka]

Book it. Stafford is not coming out this year. His coaches and advisors, former NFL quarterbacks, are telling him to stay for his senior year.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Book it. Stafford is not coming out this year. His coaches and advisors, former NFL quarterbacks, are telling him to stay for his senior year.

I'm not believing this without a link.

He's a mortal lock for #1 without a rookie cap.

[milkman]

No. At least not all the time.

Oklahoma runs a combination of pro-style and shotgun spread. They run hurry-up occasionally, but not exclusively.

I'm of the opinion that if Bradford isn't there this year, you take the best OL on the board (Michael Oher? The Bama tackle - know he's too short to play LT, but I think he could be a very good RT), suck for another year and try to grab Bradford or another QB next year.

Just say "no" to Matt "Jeff George" Stafford.

ROFL

['Hamas' Jenkins]

ROFL

I thought that post was written by Gunther Fan at first.

[jaa1025]

No Georgia actually does this really funky thing where the QB takes snaps from under center.

KSU runs a prostyle offense as well...just throwing that out there.

[milkman]

I thought that post was written by Gunther Fan at first.

We've had 2nd rate QBs in KC for so long, we don't know what a real QB looks like when we see one.

[Mecca]

If Matt Stafford is Jeff George then Sam Bradford is Chad Pennington.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

If Matt Stafford is Jeff George then Sam Bradford is Chad Pennington.

That was a dumbass response by that guy. If you watch any of Stafford's interviews he comes off as intelligent, likable, and coachable, and he's a leader on the field.

That's pretty much a polar opposite of Jeff George.

[Basileus777]

KSU runs a prostyle offense as well...just throwing that out there.

I wouldn't mind taking Freeman in the 2nd.

[milkman]

If Matt Stafford is Jeff George then Sam Bradford is Chad Pennington.


No, I think a better comparison would be Damon Huard.

[Mecca]

That was a dumbass response by that guy. If you watch any of Stafford's interviews he comes off as intelligent, likable, and coachable, and he's a leader on the field.

That's pretty much a polar opposite of Jeff George.

Pretty much, it's like calling any big armed QB Kyle Boller or Ryan Leaf.

Stafford is pretty well prepared, when you're the #1 recruit in the nation out of the Dallas area you've had top level pressure on you as a player since you were 16 years old.

[Chief Bootknocka]

The lack of a cap would be the only reason he would leave early.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The lack of a cap would be the only reason he would leave early.

Yeah, I'm sure risking injury for another year at college while he's a consensus #1 overall pick and could get paid 50%-100% more is just an idiotic reason to go pro.

[Mecca]

When you are the #1 pick why the hell would you not come out? You have no way to better your position, at that point you have 0 reason to stay.

[ChiefsCountry]

You know the Hunt's will like him, he grew up in Highland Park where SMU is located.

[Tribal Warfare]

Book it. Stafford is not coming out this year. His coaches and advisors, former NFL quarterbacks, are telling him to stay for his senior year.

Link?

[RustShack]

If Stafford wants paid hes coming out this year. If he stays he is risking injury and his stock droping, there also could be a rookie pay scale limiting how much he gets paid. I still wouldn't rule out Detriot winning more games then us, I highly doubt them or the Bengals go 0-16. As for Stanton being the QBotF, wasn't he drafted by another staff? There might even be another staff in place by the draft.. the Lions aren't commited to Stanton.

[beach tribe]

I'd draft Duke Robinson.

I really want him with our 2nd. If he's there.

[B_Ambuehl]

He could always get an insurance policy from Lloyds of London. Realistically he needs another year in college if he wants to be a good NFL quarterback.

[Chief Bootknocka]

Link?

No link, just my opinion as a UGA grad.

[duncan_idaho]

No. At least not all the time.

Oklahoma runs a combination of pro-style and shotgun spread. They run hurry-up occasionally, but not exclusively.

I'm of the opinion that if Bradford isn't there this year, you take the best OL on the board (Michael Oher? The Bama tackle - know he's too short to play LT, but I think he could be a very good RT), suck for another year and try to grab Bradford or another QB next year.

Just say "no" to Matt "Jeff George" Stafford.

Whoops.

Definitely read EyePod's post as "Does Bradford run the spread" and responded in kind. Obviously, Georgia does not run the spread.

Stafford=George comparison was made because all I see in Stafford is the next big-armed QB who stands a great chance of being a bust in the NFL. I could have called him Kyle Boller or Ryan Leaf or any number of guys blessed with cannons for arms.

I like Bradford a lot better on the next level, think he's a lot more accurate than Stafford. Don't see Matt Stafford as a guy worth a top 3 pick, unless you're drafting for a man-spooning league...

[beach tribe]

Whoops.

Definitely read EyePod's post as "Does Bradford run the spread" and responded in kind. Obviously, Georgia does not run the spread.

Stafford=George comparison was made because all I see in Stafford is the next big-armed QB who stands a great chance of being a bust in the NFL. I could have called him Kyle Boller or Ryan Leaf or any number of guys blessed with cannons for arms.

I like Bradford a lot better on the next level, think he's a lot more accurate than Stafford. Don't see Matt Stafford as a guy worth a top 3 pick, unless you're drafting for a man-spooning league...
Haven't watched many Georgia games i would imagine.

Just because a guy has a huge arm doesn't mean that's the only reason people are enamored with him.

[dallaschiefsfan]

This all depends on where we pick. If we somehow eek out more victories that we are guessing, we put ourselves in a better trade-down position. If you're at the top of the board, I have a hard time seeing any scenario where you get Stafford if the Lions are ahead of us. It also become more difficult to trade down to where you can take another QB that deserves a lower pick. I wouldn't mind Sanchez...but don't see a scenario unless he drops to us in the 2nd somehow...

[ChiefsCountry]

Whoops.

Definitely read EyePod's post as "Does Bradford run the spread" and responded in kind. Obviously, Georgia does not run the spread.

Stafford=George comparison was made because all I see in Stafford is the next big-armed QB who stands a great chance of being a bust in the NFL. I could have called him Kyle Boller or Ryan Leaf or any number of guys blessed with cannons for arms.

I like Bradford a lot better on the next level, think he's a lot more accurate than Stafford. Don't see Matt Stafford as a guy worth a top 3 pick, unless you're drafting for a man-spooning league...

I used to think like that until I sat down and watched all of his games. He is the real deal.

[jaa1025]

I really want him with our 2nd. If he's there.

I'd love Duke as well, but I'm doubting he will last past the mid 20's...which we could trade up with our 2nd + to get him. This is definitely a possibility if we trade down from #1-3 to a few spaces back.

[Gravedigger]

As many of you know I was a big supporter of Sam Bradford as our choice for quarterback of the Chiefs through the draft and my opinion on Matt Stafford was iffy. But as I said in these posts - I would give him a chance to change my mind:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5051335&postcount=313
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5051573&postcount=323

I DVRed all of the Georgia games - Alabama, Vandy, Tennessee, and LSU. Plus all of the Oklahoma games - TCU, Texas, Baylor, Kansas, and Kansas State. I am sick of hearing Sic em Dawgs and Boomer Sooner by the way. By biggest concern watching Stafford last year was his decision making and from the South Carolina game this year. From Alabama on to present, he has greatly improved in that regard. He forces alot of stuff bc of the confidence he has in his arm, but that is something that is correctable with the right coaching. Another ChiefsPlanet myth is that he doesnt have that much talent to play with - Green will be a first rounder and Massaquoi will get a paycheck in the NFL. Thats alot more than alot of teams. Granted its not like Oklahoma but other than USC and Texas, who has that kind of talent that Oklahoma does. His line is sort of suspect mainly bc its pretty young. IMO he has grown up quite a bit as a leader, which was another of my concerns with him. That Georgia team has rallied around him look at the LSU game for example. I think he has it all to be the franchise quarterback.

Now to Bradford, I still like him alot just not as the #1 guy anymore. I think he will be a great NFL quarterback. Just I have a few more questions on him right now but put him in the right situation and look out.

I'm all for it, but I don't trust Carl. Honestly Detriot is going to finish one spot lower than us if not two and that sucks cause then Carl, hopefully he won't be around, will have to trade up to get him. THat's if Detriot says yes, the deal will have to be killer to get him and I dont think Carl will give up that much for it. I'd say throw switch of firsts, Larry Johnson, and a third to move up, that way we get to move up to get what we need, Larry goes to a worse team than us, and we got rid of our locker room distraction.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Whoops.

Definitely read EyePod's post as "Does Bradford run the spread" and responded in kind. Obviously, Georgia does not run the spread.

Stafford=George comparison was made because all I see in Stafford is the next big-armed QB who stands a great chance of being a bust in the NFL. I could have called him Kyle Boller or Ryan Leaf or any number of guys blessed with cannons for arms.

I like Bradford a lot better on the next level, think he's a lot more accurate than Stafford. Don't see Matt Stafford as a guy worth a top 3 pick, unless you're drafting for a man-spooning league...

This bespeaks of someone who only follows college football through box scores and hearsay.

Sit down and watch the game that Stafford played against LSU...specifically watch for how many times he audibles after reading the defense, and the placement of his throws, as well as his ability to put a big pill in a small window. Combine that with his natural athleticism, and the fact that he's started in the deepest conference in CFB since he was a freshman, and you have someone who is not only a team leader, but one of the best quarterback prospects of the past decade.

I guarantee you he will have a higher draft grade than any QB who has come out since Carson Palmer.

[Gravedigger]

Better yet watch the second half of the Alabama game, the comeback that he leads is something we need desperately.

[beach tribe]

This bespeaks of someone who only follows college football through box scores and hearsay.

Sit down and watch the game that Stafford played against LSU...specifically watch for how many times he audibles after reading the defense, and the placement of his throws, as well as his ability to put a big pill in a small window. Combine that with his natural athleticism, and the fact that he's started in the deepest conference in CFB since he was a freshman, and you have someone who is not only a team leader, but one of the best quarterback prospects of the past decade.

I guarantee you he will have a higher draft grade than any QB who has come out since Carson Palmer.
Funny how last year Mecca, and everyone else ripped me when I said that we should not go after Ryan, and that we should wait till next year for our QBOTF AFTER we see what Croyle is all about.. I was told that there would be no one in this draft nearly as good as last years. Now we have the best QB prospect in years. I agree with your assessment of Stafford. I'm not trying to "I told you so, or act like I know more than anyone else.I also think Bradford is legit, but no where near the level of Stafford. WE MUST find a way to get Stafford. Even if we have to trade up. We should do whatever is necessary to land him. I think this is a guy that you build around. He is far, and away the most important part of the rebuild, and no 2 players could match his value. I hope Herm continues to **** up this season. If we don't get this guy, we are going to regret it for years to come.

I think Stafford is better than anyone in last years draft including Ryan.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I was pretty lukewarm on Stafford until I saw the Arizona State game. Even though he didn't have the greatest line, the ability he showed in that game made me a convert.

[ChiefsCountry]

It was the Bama game for me. They were getting their ass kicked but he brought them back.

[KCrockaholic]

I was pretty lukewarm on Stafford until I saw the Arizona State game. Even though he didn't have the greatest line, the ability he showed in that game made me a convert.

same here...i just watched some throws by Stafford (who i havent seen play much) and was utterly impressed. I have to agree, Stafford would look good on the back of a Chiefs uniform. But I still believe Sam Bradford is the next Trent Edwards. From what ive seen, they play alot alike, if Bradford stays it will truely help him out in the draft. hes just to young and inexperienced to come out this early

[KCrockaholic]

It was the Bama game for me. They were getting their ass kicked but he brought them back.

it seems that most of us are starting to believe in Stafford all of a sudden, although his pic on nfldraftcountdown.com makes him look like an overweight 30 year old baby face lol.

[beach tribe]

I've watched him play a lot this season, and I have never bee so convinced in my life about a first rnd QB. If you remember me last year, you will know that I am highly against drafting a QB high unless you absoluely are convinced that he's the guy to lock doen your franchise for his carreer. I've NEVER felt this way about a QB prospect. I'm from TN, and watched every game Peyton played, and I didn't feel this way, even about him. We MUST draft this guy. Even if we ahve to give up an arm , and a leg to do it.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

same here...i just watched some throws by Stafford (who i havent seen play much) and was utterly impressed. I have to agree, Stafford would look good on the back of a Chiefs uniform. But I still believe Sam Bradford is the next Trent Edwards. From what ive seen, they play alot alike, if Bradford stays it will truely help him out in the draft. hes just to young and inexperienced to come out this early

I'll take Jay Cutler/Carson Palmer over Trent Edwards 11 times out of 10.

[duncan_idaho]

This bespeaks of someone who only follows college football through box scores and hearsay.

Sit down and watch the game that Stafford played against LSU...specifically watch for how many times he audibles after reading the defense, and the placement of his throws, as well as his ability to put a big pill in a small window. Combine that with his natural athleticism, and the fact that he's started in the deepest conference in CFB since he was a freshman, and you have someone who is not only a team leader, but one of the best quarterback prospects of the past decade.

I guarantee you he will have a higher draft grade than any QB who has come out since Carson Palmer.

The LSU game is the only Georgia game against a "big" opponent I have missed this year. I have been watching Stafford closely since he was a freshman (have a friend who is from Highland Park area and always was raving about how great this kid was).

His accuracy/placement are my biggest question marks. He HAS improved in those areas this year, but not enough for me to say "that's my guy" as a top 3.

You can guarantee his grade all you want (what was Heath Shuler's draft grade? Trent Dilfer? Ryan Leaf? etc, etc, etc). I don't care about it. Everything I see, everything my gut tells me, is "bust." Just my luck that the one year the Chiefs are actually looking for a franchise quarterback, this guy is the best option.

[beach tribe]

The LSU game is the only Georgia game against a "big" opponent I have missed this year. I have been watching Stafford closely since he was a freshman (have a friend who is from Highland Park area and always was raving about how great this kid was).

His accuracy/placement are my biggest question marks. He HAS improved in those areas this year, but not enough for me to say "that's my guy" as a top 3.

You can guarantee his grade all you want (what was Heath Shuler's draft grade? Trent Dilfer? Ryan Leaf? etc, etc, etc). I don't care about it. Everything I see, everything my gut tells me, is "bust." Just my luck that the one year the Chiefs are actually looking for a franchise quarterback, this guy is the best option.

Your opinion is as good as anyone else's. In my opinion,.......He's the next Elway, and no, it's not because he wears #7.

BTW, I don't care about "grades" either. Never have.

And how did you catch all those games living in KC? Nevermind you said "big" games.

[ChiefsCountry]

And how did you catch all those games living in KC?

Here in Springfield we get all the SEC games thanks to Arkansas being right next door so we get the Raycom games.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The LSU game is the only Georgia game against a "big" opponent I have missed this year. I have been watching Stafford closely since he was a freshman (have a friend who is from Highland Park area and always was raving about how great this kid was).

His accuracy/placement are my biggest question marks. He HAS improved in those areas this year, but not enough for me to say "that's my guy" as a top 3.

You can guarantee his grade all you want (what was Heath Shuler's draft grade? Trent Dilfer? Ryan Leaf? etc, etc, etc). I don't care about it. Everything I see, everything my gut tells me, is "bust." Just my luck that the one year the Chiefs are actually looking for a franchise quarterback, this guy is the best option.

Heath Shuler and Trent Dilfer didn't have near the physical gifts that this kid does.

Leaf did, but he was also hated by his teammates and was a world class dickhead. Stafford is respected as a leader and has a good head on his shoulders.

[Sure-Oz]

I am def. on the Stafford bandwagon as well, if he isn't available then go with the Texas defensive end or someone else, get a QB later

I hope we get a chance at Stafford

[Sure-Oz]

Heath Shuler and Trent Dilfer didn't have near the physical gifts that this kid does.

Leaf did, but he was also hated by his teammates and was a world class dickhead. Stafford is respected as a leader and has a good head on his shoulders.

Leaf had all the physical ability just a 10 cent brain, we helped kill his career

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Leaf had all the physical ability just a 10 cent brain, we helped kill his career

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[Tribal Warfare]

It was the Bama game for me. They were getting their ass kicked but he brought them back.

same here

[Dayze]

I hope they go after him.

Knowing the Chiefs; they'll F it up.

I like John Parker Wilson at 'Bama ( I know....."not another 'Bama QB) in later rounds if the Chiefs don't have the stones to draft a QB very early.

[Red Dawg]

Doesn't matter if we want him or not he won't be there if Detroit remains winless. Because sure as hell they'll be all over him first.

They are going to sign Dante C. he'll get two for them.

[PhillyChiefFan]

You know I've watched more of that guy......I'm not really sure what he is...in the NFL game he won't be considered fast, so then you start to think what is he? Is he Larry Fitzgerald or is he just another big time college player who struggles in the NFL because he can't separate.

Personally, I believe he is the beneficiary of a system taylored to a high flying aerial offense.

[milkman]

They are going to sign Dante C. he'll get two for them.

Culpepper sucks ass.

He won't do jack.

[ChiefsCountry]

Culpepper sucks ass.

He won't do jack.

Hopefully he gets a few wins for them.

[Geason Noceur]

Hey Chiefs' fans,

Georgia fan here. I see that some of you are receptive to seeing our young QB in a Chiefs' uniform sometime in the near future, but I've got a question. How receptive would the average Chiefs' fan, the non-message board kind, be to seeing him in KC? I confess that I don't know much about your team, but I was wondering about what kind of situation Stafford would step into if he declared for the draft this year and ended up being drafted by the Chiefs?

By the way, I've followed Stafford's career since he was in high school so if y'all have questions I'll try to answer them as best as I can. Also, a little known fact that y'all might like to know is that Mike Hagen was Stafford's mentor since he was about five years old, and they're still very close.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Hey Chiefs' fans,

Georgia fan here. I see that some of you are receptive to seeing our young QB in a Chiefs' uniform sometime in the near future, but I've got a question. How receptive would the average Chiefs' fan, the non-message board kind, be to seeing him in KC? I confess that I don't know much about your team, but I was wondering about what kind of situation Stafford would step into if he declared for the draft this year and ended up being drafted by the Chiefs?

By the way, I've followed Stafford's career since he was in high school so if y'all have questions I'll try to answer them as best as I can. Also, a little known fact that y'all might like to know is that Mike Hagen was Stafford's mentor since he was about five years old, and they're still very close.

The fans would be overwhelmingly in favor of bringing a quarterback of the future in. This franchise has developed one quarterback to success in its history and never a single one that it has drafted.

Most of the regular fans are pretty stupid, though. If he started out a little rough, many of them would be willing to throw him under the bus and start a vet that would get us to 8-8, because a good majority of our fans aspire to nothing other than mediocrity.

With that being said, this media market is pretty damned soft on its star players. Larry Johnson, Tony Gonzalez, Priest Holmes, et. al, have all had a cakewalk from the locals, save for Jason Whitlock.

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From a team standpoint:

Larry Johnson will not be here next year. He's probably not going to have much of a running game, not that LJ is really providing one now, anyway. Jamaal Charles is a good change of pace back, but too small to take a 20-touch a game pounding.

The receiving corps is pretty lackluster. Dwayne Bowe will be a Pro Bowler sooner rather than later, but after that, there isn't much. Mark Bradley is someone with tools that we picked off the scrap heap, but whether or not he can stay healthy is a huge ?

Obviously, Gonzalez would be his best friend, as Stafford could just wing it in his general direction and Tony will go up and get it. Coverage doesn't matter with him, he uses his body better than any receiver I've ever seen.

The offensive line needs work. Branden Albert is already a good LT, and will be a very good LT as he matures into the position. Other than that, we don't have much. Brian Waters is a serviceable LG, but he's not what he was when he had Willie Roaf to his left. our Center, Right Guard, and Right Tackle are horrible and all of them need to be replaced.

We have a couple of rookies and second year players who may be able to fill one of the gaps at either RG or RT, but probably not both.

It's not a perfect situation by any means, but if you get him another decent wideout, and a solid guard or tackle, this offense can be productive.

[evolve27]

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Wow.

[Mecca]

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Wow.

Now do we see the difference in him and Sam Bradford?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The best thing about that, other, than the fact that he throws the ball so fucking fast the camera can't keep up with it, is that he stood in the pocket and took a shot right in the mouth as he was delivering those throws.

[the Talking Can]

watching stafford against lsu blew my mind...the clips don't even do it justice, he was in total control...

i'm horny for him in a big gay way....if he doesn't come out, then we know we are doomed to a 1000 more years of suck..

it is imperative that he comes out, and that we have the #1 pick....

that throw he makes at the 1:13 mark, rolling out with a defender hanging on him...it is impossible to put that kind of strength on it...

[evolve27]

Now do we see the difference in him and Sam Bradford?

Yeah I mean he plays with an offense similar to KC's, bad o-line, decent WR's, damn he has a better arm and accuracy than I thought, good call

[Mr. Laz]

watching stafford against lsu blew my mind...the clips don't even do it justice, he was in total control...

i'm horny for him in a big gay way....if he doesn't come out, then we know we are doomed to a 1000 more years of suck..

it is imperative that he comes out, and that we have the #1 pick....

that throw he makes at the 1:13 mark, rolling out with a defender hanging on him...it is impossible to put that kind of strength on it...

isn't Detroit the only team we really have to worry about?

[milkman]

isn't Detroit the only team we really have to worry about?

They're certainly the team that we should be most concerned with.

[evolve27]

isn't Detroit the only team we really have to worry about?

If they land Culpepper then I hope not if he shows something, please don't rape us Detroit.

[Fairplay]

After watching those films of Stafford i have to go masterbate.

But before i do i must mention that i want the Chiefs to keep on losing so we can (hopefully) draft this kid if he comes out. Plus we want Herm out anyway so let's go 1-15 so the nation will know that we suck it big time. Fan pressure will be put on Hunt Jr.

And also send Carl packing his bags up as well. Total housecleaning.

[evolve27]

After watching those films of Stafford i have to go masterbate.

But before i do i must mention that i want the Chiefs to keep on losing so we can (hopefully) draft this kid if he comes out. Plus we want Herm out anyway so let's go 1-15 so the nation will know that we suck it big time. Fan pressure will be put on Hunt Jr.

And also send Carl packing his bags up as well. Total housecleaning.

With LJ out it certainly helps Herm's cause for the losing season and #1 pick.

[KCUnited]

It doesn't hurt that Richt is a former QB and QB coach at FSU. Its a definite race with Detroit and then the wait.

[suds79]

Man we just have to hope that Detroit decides to pass on him.

Basically we have to really hope that 1 of 2 things happen.

1 - Dan Orlovsky quits running out of the back of endzones and starts lighting it up.

or

2 - They think 2nd rounder Drew Stanton can be their answer.

But if Stafford is there when we draft, that's a no brainer.

[Mecca]

Man we just have to hope that Detroit decides to pass on him.

Basically we have to really hope that 1 of 2 things happen.

1 - Dan Orlovsky quits running out of the back of endzones and starts lighting it up.

or

2 - They think 2nd rounder Drew Stanton can be their answer.

But if Stafford is there when we draft, that's a no brainer.

What if the Chiefs pass on him because that would be a very Chiefs thing to do.

[Geason Noceur]

The best thing about that, other, than the fact that he throws the ball so ****ing fast the camera can't keep up with it, is that he stood in the pocket and took a shot right in the mouth as he was delivering those throws.

Had to take those since his O-line is extremely young. In fact, his O-line has gotten younger every year he has been at UGA, but he keeps improving regardless of that. We have a true freshman center this year, and if you have watched any of the Bulldogs' games this season, you can see Stafford instructing him or correcting him during the game. Stafford knows that his young line is trying hard even when they don't get their assignments right so he has to take some shots in the mouth in order to help the team move the ball.

[ChiefsCountry]

It doesn't hurt that Richt is a former QB and QB coach at FSU. Its a definite race with Detroit and then the wait.

NFL Flims had a great thing on Richt today. At Miami, he was the backup to Jim Kelly and had Kosar and Vinny behind him. He signed a free agent deal with Dungver and had Elway in front of him. Got cut from the Donks and signed with the Dolphins and was behind Marino. So he has been around Kelly, Elway and Marino as well.

[Fairplay]

Had to take those since his O-line is extremely young. In fact, his O-line has gotten younger every year he has been at UGA, but he keeps improving regardless of that. We have a true freshman center this year, and if you have watched any of the Bulldogs' games this season, you can see Stafford instructing him or correcting him during the game. Stafford knows that his young line is trying hard even when they don't get their assignments right so he has to take some shots in the mouth in order to help the team move the ball.

Thanks for the inside scoop on this info my good man. Since you are a noob here i will positive rep you. Keep up the good work. Don't be to afraid to post your mind.

[suds79]

What if the Chiefs pass on him because that would be a very Chiefs thing to do.

You know. That's a good question. It's hard for me to even fathom right now.

I just might have a nervous breakdown. :eek:

[MahiMike]

Yep. That Chase Daniels sure is somethin'.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I hope they go after him.

Knowing the Chiefs; they'll F it up.

I like John Parker Wilson at 'Bama ( I know....."not another 'Bama QB) in later rounds if the Chiefs don't have the stones to draft a QB very early.

Wilson will be a good QB IMO

[Tribal Warfare]

Wilson will be a good QB IMO

he's one of my sleeper picks

[KCrockaholic]

Yep. That Chase Daniels sure is somethin'.

whos Chase Daniels?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

whos Chase Daniels?

Relative of Brandon Alberts and Tony Gonzales.

[Mecca]

Relative of Brandon Alberts and Tony Gonzales.

Kendall Gammons too?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Kendall Gammons too?

And Ryan Simms.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I'm just afraid Detroit or the Chiefs themselves will fuck it up.

[Mecca]

I'm just afraid Detroit or the Chiefs themselves will fuck it up.

What the hell is that thing in your av,is it a butt plug?

[smittysbar]

Tebow or bust



















I keeeeeeeeed

[duncan_idaho]

Now love for John Parker Wilson? Really?

He's got a sweet front mullet, but that's about it.

His arm strength is average. He doesn't handle pressure well (panics, makes terrible decisions), and he is not good unless a dominant running game is established. He doesn't make plays when the defense knows the pass is coming.

Next somebody is going to say Wesley Carroll and Andrew Hatch are great prospects...

[Chiefs Pantalones]

What the hell is that thing in your av,is it a butt plug?

LMAO gross, no it's a condom!!!

[TommyHawk69]

Stafford may or may not come out if he does and is there when we pick he would be a good pick. But I think we are gonna end up with a DE or MLB in the first and a quarterback in the second thats just my opinion.

Scott Wright NFL Draft Countdown:

Scouting Report
Are the Chiefs going to win too many games for their own good? Unless Sam Bradford or Matt Sanchez unexpectedly come out early Matthew Stafford will be the only stud quarterback prospect in the 2009 NFL Draft but to have a shot at him they may need to "earn" the #1 overall pick. Unfortunately for Kansas City they aren't the worst team in the league right now, at least in terms of their record, which means they miss out on Stafford and are unable to address what is without question their most glaring need. With that being the case they turn the attention to the defense and grab James Laurinaitis to upgrade their linebacking corps. Napoleon Harris was released and Pat Thomas is just a journeyman so middle linebacker is a huge need for the Chiefs. Laurinaitis has been one of the best defensive players in the nation the past couple of years and had he entered the 2008 NFL Draft he might have been a Top 10 overall pick. Laurinaitis is now one of the top prospects in the country and while he may not be quite on the same level as A.J. Hawk was coming out he is awfully close. An intense competitor with great instincts, Laurinaitis might not be the best-case scenario but if they can't land a franchise quarterback he isn't a bad Plan B.

[L.A. Chieffan]

FUCK YOU LIONS WIN SOME GAMES

[DJ's left nut]

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Wow.

Not gonna lie...got a little tingle in my groin there.

Holy lord, does that kid have a fastball or what?

[evolve27]

Not gonna lie...got a little tingle in my groin there.

Holy lord, does that kid have a fastball or what?

He makes some throws there that are amazingly strong and athletic amidst a O-line failing. Stafford vs. Tebow should be interesting. My question is does he have to run out of a spread because his O-line is horrible? I think he has shown promise under the center, which I hope he showcases more.

[Tribal Warfare]

His arm strength is average. He doesn't handle pressure well (panics, makes terrible decisions), and he is not good unless a dominant running game is established. He doesn't make plays when the defense knows the pass is coming.
.


from what I've seen the guy is clutch, and makes pretty good decisions with the ball

[ChiefsCountry]

Georgia is on CBS right now.

[Mecca]

Now watch everyone will watch and they'll say he's sucking.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Christ, what an awful series of playcalling.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Jesus Christ, what a throw.

[beach tribe]

I love this man.

[the Talking Can]

watching stafford play makes me horny

[Mecca]

Moreno is pretty ridiculous in his own right.

[RustShack]

Stafford makes me so wet...

[RustShack]

He better get used to sacks, thats whats going to happen in KC :(

[Mecca]

That was a shitty playcall.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

We-todd-ed.

[the Talking Can]

whatever that play was, it sucked

[beach tribe]

2 horrible calls.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

College kickers are so fucking terrible.

[beach tribe]

Should have given the ball to Moreno on 2nd dwn.

[the Talking Can]

can't miss gimmes in this game....that will cost them

[Mecca]

College kickers are so fucking terrible.

It's funny to think that even the very best teams have walk on kickers and punters.

[the Talking Can]

2 horrible calls.

that was an al saunders moment....easy score awaits, until we call a triple reverse on the 5 yard line...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

What round would you draft Tebow's girlfriend in?

[beach tribe]

Generous spot

[beach tribe]

I knew it. They better fix that spot.

[Mecca]

Wow these refs are stupid.

[beach tribe]

I fuckin hate officials.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Wholesale incompetence.

Seriously, how fucking terrible are referees?

[milkman]

It wasn't even close

[Mecca]

I still think when it comes to replay refs are hesitant to overrule themselves.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

That was the ugliest throw I've ever seen.

[beach tribe]

Big difference between a Tebow swing pass, and a Stafford Swing pass

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Wholesale incompetence.

Seriously, how ****ing terrible are referees?

They have always been terrible, but this year has stood out the most, for both NFL and NCAA officials. It's fucking ridiculous.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Big difference between a Tebow swing pass, and a Stafford Swing pass

That's because one is a franchise quarterback, and the other is a car dealer.

[Mecca]

Big difference between a Tebow swing pass, and a Stafford Swing pass

That's why one is a college system player and the other is the 1st overall pick.

Tebow may have the worst mechanics I've ever seen.

[Sure-Oz]

That's why one is a college system player and the other is the 1st overall pick.

Tebow may have the worst mechanics I've ever seen.

Yeah he looks ugly throwing it

[Sure-Oz]

Ugly pass picked

[Mecca]

Are the refs going to help Florida again?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Nice pass, Teblow.

[Sure-Oz]

Georgia fucks themselves with a personal foul

[milkman]

That was just fucking ugly, even if the play is called back.

[RustShack]

This has to be the worst year for ref's I've ever seen... its just terrible.

[Mecca]

And they do, money must be on Florida.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Apparently Florida boosters have more $ than Georgia Boosters.

[the Talking Can]

that was a dumb throw

and huge penalty

teebow is lucky

[Mecca]

I hate when teams do that... Is the QB so stupid he has to look to the sideline for the coaches to change the play for him?

I don't see Stafford doing that, you don't see NFL guys do that...

[milkman]

This has to be the worst year for ref's I've ever seen... its just terrible.

That call was correct.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Bullfuck.

[RustShack]

Solid D

[kstater]

Posted this in the other thread, didn't know this was a game thread.


And that's why Tebow isn't an NFL QB, he just stared that reciever down and the DB jumped it. And he gets saved by a completly unrelated penalty.

[Sure-Oz]

Easy td

[RustShack]

That call was correct.

The spot of the ball earlyer?

[Mecca]

For all of Percy Harvins speed, they really haven't developed him at all for the NFL game, no team does run plays to their WR on Sunday.

[chiefs1111]

Nice play by Harvin 7-0 Gators

['Hamas' Jenkins]

For all of Percy Harvins speed, they really haven't developed him at all for the NFL game, no team does run plays to their WR on Sunday.

Dallas and Give the Damned Ball regardless of whether we win or lose Owens.

[milkman]

The spot of the ball earlyer?

No, the spot was crap.

[Mecca]

I want someone to tell me why college teams have all their guys look to the sideline for play changes, I hate it, it says your QB is a moron that can't read a defense.

[Mecca]

Dallas and Give the Damned Ball regardless of whether we win or lose Owens.

Well ok but you know what I mean, no team in the NFL will ever use a WR like he's being used on this college team.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Well ok but you know what I mean, no team in the NFL will ever use a WR like he's being used on this college team.

yes.

[chiefs1111]

Well ok but you know what I mean, no team in the NFL will ever use a WR like he's being used on this college team.

Harvin will be nothing more than a kick returner and an occasional slot receiver in the NFL

[Mecca]

Harvin will be nothing more than a kick returner and an occasional slot receiver in the NFL

Yet some dumbass team will probably value him as a 1st rounder because he'll throw up a fast 40.

[RustShack]

Guys... I need Stafford... He must be the Chiefs first round pick next year...

[Mecca]

Guys... I need Stafford... He must be the Chiefs first round pick next year...

All I'm gonna say is we better hope Carl and Herm are gone because I see total fear with them and the idea of using the 1st pick on a QB.

[chiefs1111]

Yet some dumbass team will probably value him as a 1st rounder because he'll throw up a fast 40.

Im sure..... I just cant stand that we have all this speed but Urban really doesn't know how to use it

[RustShack]

If Herm and Carl are still here and we draft him, I don't want him to play next year.

[Mecca]

And another one of Georgias crappy WR's drops the ball.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Catch the ball, dumbass.

[Sure-Oz]

Nice fucking drop Sammie Parker

[the Talking Can]

oh mother....he just throws a perfect fucking pass and douchebag drops it

[Mecca]

If Herm and Carl are still here and we draft him, I don't want him to play next year.

I don't think they'd pick him...I don't think they have the balls to take a QB that high.

[Sure-Oz]

Beautiful throw

[ferrarispider95]

fucking laser

[JBucc]

Looks great. Looking dudes off, stepping up in the pocket.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Perfect throw.

[the Talking Can]

Staffords passes are electric.....they look like fucking laser beams

[milkman]

God, we need this guy.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

We have to get this guy!

But the Chiefs will somehow fuck it up.

[RustShack]

I don't think they'd pick him...I don't think they have the balls to take a QB that high.

But who would they take? Another LT?

[Sure-Oz]

He's taking some shots too and getting back up

[Mecca]

Top that off with the fact that you can tell he's hurt and he's still out there.

[RustShack]

Another hit..

[chiefs1111]

7-3

[kstater]

I think Herm just found his 1st rounder. That was a nice kick.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Whatever it takes. We need the #1 pick. Whatever it takes.

[chiefs1111]

I think this is going to be a whoever has the ball last is going to win games

[milkman]

Florida is just pounding Stafford.

[chiefs1111]

Whatever it takes. We need the #1 pick. Whatever it takes.

I agree but Herm will screw it up somehow

[the Talking Can]

i'm going to make youtube videos where I sing covers of cheesy love songs to Matt Stafford, while I dance around my bedroom in pajamas...


i'm so fucking serious

[kstater]

I didn't know Ron Prince was coaching the Bulldogs.

[SAUTO]

Florida is just pounding Stafford.

at least he will be used to it....

[chiefs1111]

onside kick didn't fool them

[the Talking Can]

brilliant call, you moran

[chiefs1111]

nice throw

[Sure-Oz]

Funny bone?

[chiefs1111]

offsides lol

[kstater]

Wee bit early there.

[beach tribe]

Hah, did you see Tebow stick his hand out for a Georgia player to0 help hin up, and they just looked at him like he was stupid

[the Talking Can]

georgia making too many mistakes to win this game

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Hah, did you see Tebow stick his hand out for a Georgia player to0 help hin up, and they just looked at him like he was stupid

The thing to do in that situation is lift him about a foot and then let go.

[SAUTO]

Hah, did you see Tebow stick his hand out for a Georgia player to0 help hin up, and they just looked at him like he was stupid

same thing happened with stafford earlier

[RustShack]

I just figured out I have ESPN 360, so now I'm also watching the Iowa State game :)

[RustShack]

So will I be able to watch the Chiefs game on ESPN 360 tomorrow?

[ChiefsCountry]

So will I be able to watch the Chiefs game on ESPN 360 tomorrow?

Negative

[kstater]

That's one hell of a spot for the TD. He was lik 2 feet short.

[chiefs1111]

you cant see anything

[chiefs1111]

looks just short,damn

[the Talking Can]

calling an onside kick when you're down only 4 points in the first half just ain't the brightest......

['Hamas' Jenkins]

He wasn't even close to being in. These refs are ridiculous.

[Sure-Oz]

No shit he didn't get in

[kstater]

I was wrong, he was 1 1/2 feet short not two.

[beach tribe]

Can you fuking BELIEVE these officials?

[chiefs1111]

well at least he got in this time

[chiefs1111]

im still sick of that call,our Offensive coordinator sucks

[beach tribe]

Well at least Stafford already knows what it's like to be completely robbed of the oportunity to win the game.....by his own coaches.

[Mecca]

But who would they take? Another LT?

This is the Chiefs don't put it past them, then they'd spend months selling to us that Croyle is fine it's just the line that got him injured.

[chiefs1111]

what a bad kick

[Mecca]

Something tells me Herm would hate Stafford because he goes for big plays.

[SAUTO]

Something tells me Herm would hate Stafford because he goes for big plays.

something tells me that you are right

[Mecca]

Knowshon Moreno is like a more physically gifted Priest Holmes.

[chiefs1111]

down he goes

[SAUTO]

Knowshon Moreno is like a more physically gifted Priest Holmes.

wow i thought the same fucking thing earlier on a little swing pass