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milkman
10-29-2008, 10:51 AM
People have become concerned with Glen Dorsey, and fear that he may not be all that was expected.

Whitlock has pointed to his knee injuries as a possible explanation for his lack of production.

Some people have pointed out that he hasn't developed any moves, and others have talked about the fact that he tends to take a step back at the snap.

The biggest problem I see is that he has a tendency to lower his head when he attacks the LOS, and when he does that, the battle is all but lost.

Regardless, all of the technique errors are correctable, and when corrected, he will be a force.

But give him time.

He's a rookie.

It takes time.

Micjones
10-29-2008, 10:52 AM
Especially at his position.
Besides, he's a former 5th overall pick so we're stuck with him for at least 2 more years.

I think we may need to identify a different Defensive Line coach though.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-29-2008, 10:52 AM
DT takes longer to develop than any position on the defense. I'm not concerned about him in the least.

Whitlock is just stirring shit.

KCUnited
10-29-2008, 10:55 AM
A couple pics from Sunday.

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2834/dorsey1copyru8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Owned by Faneca.


http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7972/dorsey2copysj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Blown off the ball by Faneca.

milkman
10-29-2008, 10:56 AM
DT takes longer to develop than any position on the defense. I'm not concerned about him in the least.

Whitlock is just stirring shit.

My post wasn't directed specifically at Whitlock.

It was addressing the reasons that I've seen discussed, and the one, and probably biggest reason, that I haven't seen addressed.

OnTheWarpath15
10-29-2008, 10:56 AM
DT takes longer to develop than any position on the defense. I'm not concerned about him in the least.

Whitlock is just stirring shit.

This. Again.

Micjones
10-29-2008, 10:57 AM
A couple pics from Sunday.

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2834/dorsey1copyru8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Owned by Faneca.


http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7972/dorsey2copysj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Blown off the ball by Faneca.

Faneca's a wiley veteran in this league.
One of the most highly-touted FA O-Lineman available this off-season.

That doesn't bother me.

Mr. Laz
10-29-2008, 10:57 AM
except for you have to have good coaching to solve these technique issues.

milkman
10-29-2008, 10:57 AM
Look at that pic in the pass rush.

Where's his head?

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-29-2008, 10:58 AM
A couple pics from Sunday.

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2834/dorsey1copyru8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Owned by Faneca.


http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7972/dorsey2copysj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Blown off the ball by Faneca.

Those jerkoffs are in such a bad fucking position in that second photo. It makes me sick to look at it.

Micjones
10-29-2008, 10:58 AM
except for you have to have good coaching to solve these technique issues.

Indeed.

I'm not sure that Krumrie's that guy.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-29-2008, 10:58 AM
Look at that pic in the pass rush.

Where's his head?

It seriously looks like he's taking about to take a shit.

milkman
10-29-2008, 10:59 AM
Indeed.

I'm not sure that Krumrie's that guy.

I'm certain he isn't.

KCUnited
10-29-2008, 11:00 AM
Look at that pic in the pass rush.

Where's his head?

I agree about his vision. There was another run play in the 1st half where he was getting pushed to the inside and the runner ran right by him. If he'd been watching the play he could've spun and made the tackle, but it was obvious he was just watching the block.

Stinger
10-29-2008, 11:00 AM
Heh ... everyone thought Mario Williams was a bust after his first year and Bush was the clear winner. 2007 People went back on that prediction. Mario Williams looks like a player. Defense players usually take 2-3 years to get into there roll, with defensive scheme and technique changes.

Edit~~ I don't think that Reggie is not a player but we are so quick to label players who may not produce as much right out of college where they dominate.

Micjones
10-29-2008, 11:00 AM
I'm certain he isn't.

We must be the home of the most inept position coaches in the NFL.
We need a new coaches for the OL, DL, QB, and LB's.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-29-2008, 11:03 AM
Indeed.

I'm not sure that Krumrie's that guy.
I can guarantee you that he's not the guy. He's a terrible coach that people gravitate to just because he's a fucking loudmouth.

I wish I could find a clip of him breaking his leg in the Super Bowl...:D

SAUTO
10-29-2008, 11:05 AM
It seriously looks like he's taking about to take a shit.

the first photo looks like faneca has a hold of his jersey pulling him down

suds79
10-29-2008, 11:08 AM
Well while I'm not a fan of DTs who are hovering around 300 lbs, that's a little light for my taste, we know the guy has the skill set to be a dominate player. Otherwise, every scout out there wouldn't of thought that this guy could be the most talented player in last year's draft.

So I'm sure he'll come around in time.

But I think getting rid of Gun & Tim Krumrie would be a good start in the off-season.

Hey with any luck, Herm will be gone which will take care of all the others. :D

milkman
10-29-2008, 11:08 AM
the first photo looks like faneca has a hold of his jersey pulling him down

That may well be, but the thing is, once Dorsey lowers his head, he loses vision, and gives the O-Lineman leverage advantage by default.

KCUnited
10-29-2008, 11:08 AM
the first photo looks like faneca has a hold of his jersey pulling him down

If you watch the play live, Faneca took on his initial block, pushed him away and took him on the second time. I looked like an obvious rook vs. a vet, which is ok because thats what it was, but he got owned.

PhillyChiefFan
10-29-2008, 11:10 AM
Those pics depress me to no end.

I can't believe the size of the running gaps that the Oline blew open. You could drive a Mack truck though the lanes. There is NO penetration or rush whatsoever.

Why did they not run the ball down our f*cking throats?

SAUTO
10-29-2008, 11:12 AM
That may well be, but the thing is, once Dorsey lowers his head, he loses vision, and gives the O-Lineman leverage advantage by default.

i can see that too. hopefully he gets someone to teach him and all these young linemen how to play

Chiefnj2
10-29-2008, 11:15 AM
Hopefully his knees will be able to hold up.

DaKCMan AP
10-29-2008, 11:16 AM
Glenn Dorsey through 7 games: 18 tackles, 14 solo, 0 sacks

The rest of these guys rookie year, 16 game:

Warren Sapp - 27 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 int
Albert Haynesworth, 30 tackles, 21 solo, 1 sack
Tommie Harris - 43 tackles, 28 solo, 3.5 sacks
Casey Hampton - 22 tackles, 9 solo, 1 sack
Kris Jenkins - 34 tackles, 27 solo, 2 sacks
Marcus Stroud - 25 tackles, 21 solo, 0 sacks

Some guys take off right away (Kevin Williams, John Henderson) but others take some time to develop.

beach tribe
10-29-2008, 11:17 AM
Hopefully his knees will be able to hold up.

There ain't nothing wrong with his damn knees. He's just a rookie.

PhillyChiefFan
10-29-2008, 11:17 AM
If you watch the play live, Faneca took on his initial block, pushed him away and took him on the second time. I looked like an obvious rook vs. a vet, which is ok because thats what it was, but he got owned.

So true, size is no substitute for good technique and it takes time to develop it. But I agree, at 7 games in Dorsey should have been told by his line coach that his technique was off and to get his head up.

The difference is monumentous between college and pros. And Faneca has definatly been around the block. It takes time to develop the skills to compete and dominate in the NFL.

I, for one, am not ready to give up on Glenn Dorsey, or any of our players from the last draft class, it is far too soon and they haven't had a coach worth a sh*t.

blueballs
10-29-2008, 11:17 AM
Who got the double team

PhillyChiefFan
10-29-2008, 11:18 AM
Glenn Dorsey through 7 games: 18 tackles, 14 solo, 0 sacks

The rest of these guys rookie year, 16 game:

Warren Sapp - 27 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 int
Albert Haynesworth, 30 tackles, 21 solo, 1 sack
Tommie Harris - 43 tackles, 28 solo, 3.5 sacks
Casey Hampton - 22 tackles, 9 solo, 1 sack
Kris Jenkins - 34 tackles, 27 solo, 2 sacks
Marcus Stroud - 25 tackles, 21 solo, 0 sacks

Some guys take off right away (Kevin Williams, John Henderson) but others take some time to develop.


Good post, I was wondering how all the greats fared their first seasons. Good to see he is on pace with those names.

SAUTO
10-29-2008, 11:19 AM
and how many people around here wanted NOTHING to do with faneca?

StcChief
10-29-2008, 11:20 AM
Glenn Dorsey through 7 games: 18 tackles, 14 solo, 0 sacks

The rest of these guys rookie year, 16 game:

Warren Sapp - 27 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 int
Albert Haynesworth, 30 tackles, 21 solo, 1 sack
Tommie Harris - 43 tackles, 28 solo, 3.5 sacks
Casey Hampton - 22 tackles, 9 solo, 1 sack
Kris Jenkins - 34 tackles, 27 solo, 2 sacks
Marcus Stroud - 25 tackles, 21 solo, 0 sacks

Some guys take off right away (Kevin Williams, John Henderson) but others take some time to develop. at this point no concern.....

wonder who those sacks were against.... a real database could help alot with these questions.

PhillyChiefFan
10-29-2008, 11:21 AM
Especially with Sapp, that surprises me.

blueballs
10-29-2008, 11:21 AM
Faneca would just take away learning snaps
like Favre is

SAUTO
10-29-2008, 11:23 AM
Faneca would just take away learning snaps
like Favre is

from who? jones??

PhillyChiefFan
10-29-2008, 11:24 AM
How has he done against players that are < Faneca. Does he still get dominated at the line?

talastan
10-29-2008, 11:24 AM
Dorsey will be incredible IMO once he develops and gets some talent beside, as in an outside pass rushing threat. I think Tank is coming along fine, especially compared to last season. I think the rest of this season we should just watch and we'll see Dorsey develop right before our eyes! :drool:

milkman
10-29-2008, 11:27 AM
from who? jones??

The thought process was that people expected the Chiefs to be more aggressive in the draft in selecting the O-Line position.

Had most known that the only O-Lineman taken in this draft were going to be Albert and Richardson, they would probably have been for a more aggressive approach in free agency.

Chiefnj2
10-29-2008, 11:28 AM
Glenn Dorsey through 7 games: 18 tackles, 14 solo, 0 sacks

The rest of these guys rookie year, 16 game:

Warren Sapp - 27 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 int
Albert Haynesworth, 30 tackles, 21 solo, 1 sack
Tommie Harris - 43 tackles, 28 solo, 3.5 sacks
Casey Hampton - 22 tackles, 9 solo, 1 sack
Kris Jenkins - 34 tackles, 27 solo, 2 sacks
Marcus Stroud - 25 tackles, 21 solo, 0 sacks

Some guys take off right away (Kevin Williams, John Henderson) but others take some time to develop.


Tackles are such an unreliable indicator. KC is on pace to be the worst run defense in the history of the NFL in terms of ypc. It doesn't matter if he has 100 tackles if they are 6 yards downfield.

SAUTO
10-29-2008, 11:29 AM
The thought process was that people expected the Chiefs to be more aggressive in the draft in selecting the O-Line position.

Had most known that the only O-Lineman taken in this draft were going to be Albert and Richardson, they would probably have been for a more aggressive approach in free agency.

awwww i recall people saying faneca was a scrub. but the REAL problem was people expecting carl and herm to do the right thing

beach tribe
10-29-2008, 11:30 AM
awwww i recall people saying faneca was a scrub. but the REAL problem was people expecting carl and herm to do the right thing

I don't recall anyone calling the guy a scrub. Just that he didn't fit the bill of what we were doing.

SAUTO
10-29-2008, 11:31 AM
Tackles are such an unreliable indicator. KC is on pace to be the worst run defense in the history of the NFL in terms of ypc. It doesn't matter if he has 100 tackles if they are 6 yards downfield.

really? a DT with 100 tackles wouldnt mean anything?
No matter where 100 tackles are made by a Dt would be VERY impressive. just means shit is all around him.
Do you actualy think that if he has a better season than all those guys on the list that it wouldnt mean much?
Do you think the LBs should be blamed at all?

Demonpenz
10-29-2008, 11:32 AM
I dont know how you would get underneth an Olineman's pads to gain leverage without your head going lower, but I assime he you mean he is looking towards the ground

SAUTO
10-29-2008, 11:32 AM
I don't recall anyone calling the guy a scrub. Just that he didn't fit the bill of what we were doing.

yeah they did, maybe not those words but to that effect.

blueballs
10-29-2008, 11:38 AM
How are the other rookie DTs doing
I don't recall hearing Gholston's name sunday

Chiefnj2
10-29-2008, 11:41 AM
really? a DT with 100 tackles wouldnt mean anything?
No matter where 100 tackles are made by a Dt would be VERY impressive. just means shit is all around him.
Do you actualy think that if he has a better season than all those guys on the list that it wouldnt mean much?
Do you think the LBs should be blamed at all?

I'm not sure you can judge a "better" season by tackles. If he finishes with the same # of tackles that Haynesworth had as a rookie, but KC sets the record for worst ypc and teams ran the ball 100 more times against KC, I don't think you could consider him having a better or equal season than Haynesworth.

blueballs
10-29-2008, 11:42 AM
well crap
Gholston is a linebacker
I would have sworn he was a DT

Chiefnj2
10-29-2008, 11:43 AM
How are the other rookie DTs doing
I don't recall hearing Gholston's name sunday

Gholston has been invisible all year.

kepp
10-29-2008, 11:45 AM
A couple pics from Sunday.
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2834/dorsey1copyru8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Owned by Faneca.
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7972/dorsey2copysj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Blown off the ball by Faneca.

Where'd you take those from? Techmo Bowl?

KCUnited
10-29-2008, 11:48 AM
Where'd you take those from? Techmo Bowl?

ROFL. Canon Powershot from my couch taking pictures of my TV on my day off. **** it, rewatching the game wasn't nearly as painful as being in Olathe traffic court for an hour and a half this morning.

SAUTO
10-29-2008, 11:49 AM
I'm not sure you can judge a "better" season by tackles. If he finishes with the same # of tackles that Haynesworth had as a rookie, but KC sets the record for worst ypc and teams ran the ball 100 more times against KC, I don't think you could consider him having a better or equal season than Haynesworth.

are you talking individual or team as in "better season". and it's almost universally understood that our LBs are the reason for such a shitty run d

Chiefnj2
10-29-2008, 11:54 AM
are you talking individual or team as in "better season". and it's almost universally understood that our LBs are the reason for such a shitty run d

The D line isn't doing its job either. Look at the photos in this thread. Gaping holes and OL are getting cleanly to LBs.

Demonpenz
10-29-2008, 11:54 AM
Monkey kong

CupidStunt
10-29-2008, 12:23 PM
Tackles are such an unreliable indicator. KC is on pace to be the worst run defense in the history of the NFL in terms of ypc. It doesn't matter if he has 100 tackles if they are 6 yards downfield.

Agreed, but I've noted when following GameCenter that a lot of his actual tackles made are for very short gains.

I think what we're seeing out of Dorsey is feast and famine but only just barely, i.e. 10% feast, 90% famine. I've seen a couple stout plays, but mostly not.

And I do think it's coaching. SEVEN games. Honestly not concerned because my opinion of him at this time last year was that he was the best player in the country, and one doesn't just lose that ability. I would be concerned if I thought he sucked back in March, and I might say he's proving me right, but it simply takes time.

RustShack
10-29-2008, 12:24 PM
The problem with Dorsey is hes a rookie with piss poor coaches and no surrounding talent.

Frosty
10-29-2008, 12:52 PM
Are the Chiefs' DT's and MLB taught to simply take on and occupy the blocker? In that second pic, the player in the middle of the field (I can't make out the number but I think it is Thomas), is ignoring the runner and looking directly at #65. There is absolutely nobody behind him to tackle the runner.

FAX
10-29-2008, 01:04 PM
The problem with Dorsey is hes a rookie with piss poor coaches and no surrounding talent.

Although I agree in principle with your statement, Dorsey doesn't need surrounding talent in order to beat one man across from him on the LOS, Mr. RustShack.

Dorsey's biggest problem is youth and coaching, right now.

The Chiefs organization has proven time and time again over many, many years that they lack the ability to properly develop young players. They rarely do. Ever. Unless you come into this organization with the talent of a Gonzo or a DT or you're a veteran like Green or Priest or Roaf, you don't get much better as a player. There are exceptions to this, but they are rare.

FAX

BigMeatballDave
10-29-2008, 02:06 PM
and how many people around here wanted NOTHING to do with faneca?He's old.

Chiefnj2
10-29-2008, 02:14 PM
Are the Chiefs' DT's and MLB taught to simply take on and occupy the blocker? In that second pic, the player in the middle of the field (I can't make out the number but I think it is Thomas), is ignoring the runner and looking directly at #65. There is absolutely nobody behind him to tackle the runner.

Ideally I believe a DT should have tied up 2 OL so the lineman doesn't have a clear shot on Thomas, and Thomas is supposed to hit the gap and the ball carrier.

Chief Faithful
10-29-2008, 02:28 PM
and how many people around here wanted NOTHING to do with faneca?

I'm one who wanted nothing to do with Faneca. I'm sick of the George Allen approach of selling the future for now. This team needed to be rebuilt.

Faneca is old and would required a very large contract. Then he would last just long enough to need to be replaced just as the team was coming out of rebuilding. Better to find a young long term solution during the rebuilding phase.

Plugging holes with aging free agents is the best path to mediocrity. Look at what Faneca and Farve did for the Jets. Ran up their salary cap and made them a .500 team.

Frosty
10-29-2008, 02:35 PM
Ideally I believe a DT should have tied up 2 OL so the lineman doesn't have a clear shot on Thomas, and Thomas is supposed to hit the gap and the ball carrier.

Thomas (if that's him) doesn't even look like he is going to fight off the block. It looks like he is trying to give #65 a hug.

EyePod
10-29-2008, 03:01 PM
A couple pics from Sunday.

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2834/dorsey1copyru8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Owned by Faneca.


http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7972/dorsey2copysj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Blown off the ball by Faneca.

I'd rather him being blown off the ball by a pro bowl (maybe HOF?) center than a scrub one.

Chiefnj2
10-29-2008, 03:07 PM
Which is worse, Dorsey being driven back 4 yards by one guy, or the other DT lying on his face with two Jets standing over him?

DaWolf
10-29-2008, 03:14 PM
The problem with Dorsey

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/staff/gunther_cunningham.jpghttp://www.kcchiefs.com/media/staff/tim_krumrie.jpg

2bikemike
10-29-2008, 03:39 PM
Are the Chiefs' DT's and MLB taught to simply take on and occupy the blocker? In that second pic, the player in the middle of the field (I can't make out the number but I think it is Thomas), is ignoring the runner and looking directly at #65. There is absolutely nobody behind him to tackle the runner.


That is showing his complete lack of awareness of what is happening on the field. At this point he should know who has the ball and he should be making his move toward the ball carrier. Its no wonder why they keep getting gashed for the big gainer.

TEX
10-29-2008, 04:06 PM
DT takes longer to develop than any position on the defense. I'm not concerned about him in the least.

Whitlock is just stirring shit.

The same kind of shit as Ryan Sims?

chiefsngop
10-29-2008, 04:15 PM
The same kind of shit as Ryan Sims?

IMO it's the same kind of shit as Mario Williams first year in the league.

DT is alot like a pro baseball players batting average with .300 being good.

Hitting the ball just 3 out of 10 times is considered good.

A DT whose pass rush sacks the QB once out of every 20-25 plays would lead to very impressive statistics.

It's a tough learning curve even for a college great like Dorsey, and with our coaching staff the learning curve and time it takes will be even tougher and longer for him.

Halfcan
10-29-2008, 06:40 PM
Dorsey is not getting it done. He is getting pushed around like Simms. He looks like a Major bust thus far.

FAX
10-29-2008, 06:42 PM
Dorsey is not getting it done. He is getting pushed around like Simms. He looks like a Major bust thus far.

It's way too early to say that, Mr. Halfcan. Surely you realize that.

The broken record keeps saying it's a coaching/player development issue. I wonder if there's anyone in the Chiefs' front office who even recognizes that could even potentially be the problem, though.

FAX

Halfcan
10-29-2008, 06:50 PM
It's way too early to say that, Mr. Halfcan. Surely you realize that.

The broken record keeps saying it's a coaching/player development issue. I wonder if there's anyone in the Chiefs' front office who even recognizes that could even potentially be the problem, though.

FAX

I just wish he would show a few flashes of why he is getting a bizillion bucks for 14 tackles?? :rolleyes:

dorsey has been even worse than Simms at this point.

FAX
10-29-2008, 07:01 PM
I just wish he would show a few flashes of why he is getting a bizillion bucks for 14 tackles?? :rolleyes:

dorsey has been even worse than Simms at this point.

I can't argue that Dorsey has performed below inititial expectations. Well, I could, but it would be stupid and I'm supposed to be in stupid recovery.

My biggest concern in respect to Dorsey is two-fold: 1) His knees are much worse than we've been told or 2) We simply cannot teach a DT how to improve his game in order to compete at the NFL level.

Last week, I went back and looked at all the defensive linemen we've drafted over the past 6 or 7 years, or so. It's a pretty long list and none of them have really panned out (except for JA and he was really drafted as a long-snapper). Even the somewhat highly touted Hali has disappointed.

What that tells me is that, it really doesn't matter who we draft or where we draft them. If we don't get lucky with a guy like Allen, those guys are not going to improve ... or even last. I would think that the law of averages would come into play eventually and that at least one of those guys would develop into an impact player - but they haven't.

FAX

chiefzilla1501
10-29-2008, 07:10 PM
That may well be, but the thing is, once Dorsey lowers his head, he loses vision, and gives the O-Lineman leverage advantage by default.

When he was drafted, one of the big knocks on him was that he often exploded into the backfield by bullrushing. Many scouts thought he had a limited number of pass rush moves.

I have to agree with you. Whitlock is wrong if he thinks this is all about his knees. This is about coaching a talented DT to get out of some bad habits he developed in college, which often happens when he face inferior competition. I think as he learns, he becomes tentative, which is probably why he often takes a step backward.

Dorsey has a good work ethic and he's explosive. Those are things you can't coach. I think there's a good chance he works his way out of it, and he's one of very many talented tackles to struggle in their rookie season.

I also agree... I'm not sure what to think of Krumrie. I think he, like Gun, is another one of those guys that gets too much street cred because he likes to yell, but all I care about is if he can coach.

chiefzilla1501
10-29-2008, 07:12 PM
I just wish he would show a few flashes of why he is getting a bizillion bucks for 14 tackles?? :rolleyes:

dorsey has been even worse than Simms at this point.

While I understand your point, I encourage you to look at the rookie stats of virtually every pro bowl or star defensive tackle including Warren Sapp. Very few of these guys made any real impact their rookie season. In fact, Dorsey's stats are right on pace with the others.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-29-2008, 07:12 PM
Has anyone actually seen what most rookie DT's do in this league?

Christ.

He's leading all rookie DTs in tackles, and only two rookie DTs even have a goddamned sack.

:banghead:

FAX
10-29-2008, 07:13 PM
... I think he, like Gun, is another one of those guys that gets too much street cred because he likes to yell, but all I care about is if he can coach.

Absolutismish, Mr. chiefzilla1501. I also don't like that silly slap-happy test he gives the players. Jesus. Take that spastic crap back to girl's school.

FAX

milkman
10-29-2008, 07:14 PM
Dorsey is not getting it done. He is getting pushed around like Simms. He looks like a Major bust thus far.

We should have drafted Trevor Laws.

DeezNutz
10-29-2008, 07:18 PM
I just wish he would show a few flashes of why he is getting a bizillion bucks for 14 tackles?? :rolleyes:

dorsey has been even worse than Simms at this point.

For the sake of comparison, through 4 games (prior to getting hurt) Sedrick Ellis had 11 tackles and 1 sack.

The Chiefs, on the other hand, have plenty of sacks of shit, but few QB sacks.

PastorMikH
10-29-2008, 08:03 PM
Wonder how long it will be before people want us to put Dorsey on the block for a 2nd to 3rd round pick.


Maybe if ALL of our players aren't growing and developing, that is until they are with a new team, the problem might just be someplace other than our players.

FAX
10-29-2008, 08:04 PM
Wonder how long it will be before people want us to put Dorsey on the block for a 2nd to 3rd round pick.


Maybe if ALL of our players aren't growing and developing, that is until they are with a new team, the problem might just be someplace other than our players.

Insightfullistic, Mr. PastorMikH.

There's more to this than meets the Herm.

FAX

El Pendejo
10-29-2008, 11:54 PM
Obviously I don't watch the Chiefs as much as Chiefs fans, but the times I have watched them I didn't think Dorsey was bad at all. I think people are expecting too much from a first year tackle. I'd take him on the Donks in a heart beat.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-30-2008, 01:00 AM
We should have drafted Trevor Laws.

LMAO

smittysbar
10-30-2008, 01:29 AM
We should have drafted Trevor Laws.

Sincerely findthedr


I am not going to make my mind up yet on Dorsey, it takes a DT a couple/few years to get it done, but so far he is getting owned. I agree stats are misleading. Aw hell I'm drunk, Cheers to you Glen Dorsey Mr. foam finger wearing #1 fan guy.

Ugly Duck
10-30-2008, 01:35 AM
Dorsey is not getting it done. He is getting pushed around like Simms. He looks like a Major bust thus far.

Hey now.... wut happened to all the "Al Davis is senile! He passed on Dorsey! Ha ha ha!"

smittysbar
10-30-2008, 01:39 AM
Hey now.... wut happened to all the "Al Davis is senile! He passed on Dorsey! Ha ha ha!"

Did McFadden get a sucker at the doctors office.........fuck off

milkman
10-30-2008, 05:33 PM
Hey now.... wut happened to all the "Al Davis is senile! He passed on Dorsey! Ha ha ha!"

Hey, I'm still happy as hell that we drafted Dorsey, and believe he's one gy that can overcome the sorryass coaching that we have in KC.

But hopefully, we'll get real coaching in here next season, and that will accelerate his progress.

Long Duk Dong
10-30-2008, 05:38 PM
bust

:doh!:

chiefsngop
10-30-2008, 06:07 PM
Hey now.... wut happened to all the "Al Davis is senile! He passed on Dorsey! Ha ha ha!"

Whoa! If the Pats or Colts or even the f*ckin Dolphins wanna throw rocks at us for draft or personell moves , well I'll eat that crow.

But the Raiders ? Are you serious ? The kings of bonehead free agent signings, bad draft moves, stupid trades, idiotic hold outs and contract negotiations ?

Carl Peterson is brain dead in my opinion and the Raiders could only dream of having front office personell as talented as king Carl.

milkman
10-30-2008, 06:14 PM
Whoa! If the Pats or Colts or even the f*ckin Dolphins wanna throw rocks at us for draft or personell moves , well I'll eat that crow.

But the Raiders ? Are you serious ? The kings of bonehead free agent signings, bad draft moves, stupid trades, idiotic hold outs and contract negotiations ?

Carl Peterson is brain dead in my opinion and the Raiders could only dream of having front office personell as talented as king Carl.

Personnel

chiefsngop
11-03-2008, 12:32 AM
Personnel

Sentence fragment.

Deberg_1990
11-24-2008, 12:22 AM
bump...


Is it too early to use the B word yet??

Hootie
11-24-2008, 12:23 AM
who fucking knows...I hate this team.

ClevelandBronco
11-24-2008, 12:26 AM
I have two words for you guys:

Ryan Clady.

Deberg_1990
11-24-2008, 12:26 AM
I have two words for you guys:

Ryan Clady.

Two more for you:

Brandon Albert

Ebolapox
11-24-2008, 12:28 AM
I have two words for you guys:

Ryan Clady.

brandon albert

who is better? who the fuck knows. but we also got a damned good LT in this draft, and he'll be stonewalling your shitty DE's for years to come :p

ClevelandBronco
11-24-2008, 12:28 AM
Two more for you:

Brandon Albert

I did a Google Maps search for your left tackle. There were no results.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-24-2008, 12:32 AM
bump...


Is it too early to use the B word yet??

Good god, yes.

Has everyone lost their gat damned mind?

Hootie
11-24-2008, 12:34 AM
Good god, yes.

Has everyone lost their gat damned mind?

what do you expect?

I was on cloud fucking 9 when the Raiders took McFadden...leaving us Dorsey.

Now we have the worst god damned defense I have ever seen in my life...and dude has shown absolutely nothing.

I know DT's come along slowly...but I'm a Chiefs fan...what can go wrong usually will go wrong.

Deberg_1990
11-24-2008, 12:34 AM
Good god, yes.

Has everyone lost their gat damned mind?


Of course he gets at least another year....

But come on, he should be having a greater impact than he is. Even you have to admit hes been a disappointment.

Not sure what the deal with him is? Was he overhyped??

Hootie
11-24-2008, 12:37 AM
Of course he gets at least another year....

But come on, he should be having a greater impact than he is. Even you have to admit hes been a disappointment.

Not sure what the deal with him is? Was he overhyped??
The thing is...EVERYONE EVERYONE was calling this guy the best defensive tackle prospect to come out in YEARS.

It isn't like Ryan Sims.

If Dorsey busts you can't blame Carl for taking him 5th...you can really only blame Dorsey and/or the coaches for failing to develop his talents.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-24-2008, 12:37 AM
Of course he gets at least another year....

But come on, he should be having a greater impact than he is. Even you have to admit hes been a disappointment.

Not sure what the deal with him is? Was he overhyped??

He's on pace for a better rookie year than about any major DT, save Kevin Williams.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-24-2008, 12:40 AM
I'd have to go back and watch the game, but remember that if no one else on the line can do anything, and they can't, he's going to face doubles on every play.

chiefs1111
11-24-2008, 12:45 AM
he has done more already than Ryan Sims ever did while he was here

B_Ambuehl
11-24-2008, 12:52 AM
I'd have to go back and watch the game, but remember that if no one else on the line can do anything, and they can't, he's going to face doubles on every play.

Except he rarely faces double teams. If in doubt how effective or ineffective a player is go to the tape and watch how opposing offenses gameplan for him. Opposing offenses usually double Tank Tyler and leave Dorsey 1 on 1. When Ron Edwards comes in for Dorsey at his right tackle spot, Edwards gets the double team. Based on that, one could reasonably conclude Dorsey is thought of by opposing offenses as only the 3rd biggest threat at the defensive tackle position on this roster.

Hootie
11-24-2008, 12:56 AM
he has done more already than Ryan Sims ever did while he was here

I thought Sims had one AVERAGE year...

Ugly Duck
11-24-2008, 01:03 AM
The thing is...EVERYONE EVERYONE was calling this guy the best defensive tackle prospect to come out in YEARS.


EVERYONE EVERYONE was saying Robert Gallery was the safest pick in the draft & would anchor the LT spot for 10 years.

Sometimes EVERYONE EVERYONE is wrong.

Mecca
11-24-2008, 01:03 AM
Dorsey is gonna take some time he needs to get bigger and stronger.

Hootie
11-24-2008, 01:05 AM
EVERYONE EVERYONE was saying Robert Gallery was the safest pick in the draft & would anchor the LT spot for 10 years.

Sometimes EVERYONE EVERYONE is wrong.

Yeah I know...but we've all seen how great Oakland is at developing talent...almost as good as KC.

ClevelandBronco
11-24-2008, 01:08 AM
Yeah I know...but we've all seen how great Oakland is at developing talent...almost as good as KC.

Tonight I have no fucking right to comment about the Raiders' talent.

ClevelandBronco
11-24-2008, 01:10 AM
I would like to take out Ashley Lelie's knee, however.

I've done it before and I can provide references.

Hootie
11-24-2008, 01:20 AM
Tonight I have no ****ing right to comment about the Raiders' talent.

Denver is having a weird season...they can beat anyone or lose to anyone, that's for sure.

This whole division is a mess and no one is getting out of it anytime soon.

ClevelandBronco
11-24-2008, 01:23 AM
Denver is having a weird season...they can beat anyone or lose to anyone, that's for sure.

This whole division is a mess and no one is getting out of it anytime soon.

But the AFC West will be getting out of the playoffs very soon.

Smed1065
11-24-2008, 01:35 AM
People have become concerned with Glen Dorsey, and fear that he may not be all that was expected.

Whitlock has pointed to his knee injuries as a possible explanation for his lack of production.

Some people have pointed out that he hasn't developed any moves, and others have talked about the fact that he tends to take a step back at the snap.

The biggest problem I see is that he has a tendency to lower his head when he attacks the LOS, and when he does that, the battle is all but lost.

Regardless, all of the technique errors are correctable, and when corrected, he will be a force.

But give him time.

He's a rookie.

It takes time.

:doh!:

Smed1065
11-24-2008, 01:39 AM
Personnel

LOL, I bust anyone against me but I am god and trust me.............

You all suck. I will take a stand with 90% results but if I am wrong then it is not me......Azz

I take the odds on, I mean its 90 to 1. I am a serious ass hole.....

LOL

Wow take a chance. :doh!:

chiefs1111
11-24-2008, 02:23 AM
I thought Sims had one AVERAGE year...

really???

kcchiefsus
11-24-2008, 04:31 AM
Granted there is more to the DT position than just sacks but when analyzing Dorsey's play I like to use the example of Albert Haynesworth who had a mere 4.5 sacks over his first 3 years in the league. He had 6 last year and is well on his way to a DPOY type season with 8.5 sacks and 3 FF already on the season. If Haynesworth can go from being a completely mediocre head stomper to one of the best defensive players in the game then I don't see why we should be worried YET about Dorsey. It's going to take time for him to learn the game.

PhillyChiefFan
11-24-2008, 08:40 AM
Granted there is more to the DT position than just sacks but when analyzing Dorsey's play I like to use the example of Albert Haynesworth who had a mere 4.5 sacks over his first 3 years in the league. He had 6 last year and is well on his way to a DPOY type season with 8.5 sacks and 3 FF already on the season. If Haynesworth can go from being a completely mediocre head stomper to one of the best defensive players in the game then I don't see why we should be worried YET about Dorsey. It's going to take time for him to learn the game.

Agreed, it takes time to develop the skill set required to be a run stopper or a sack leader. Besides that, the guy is playing with another DT who is average at best and absolutely no outside pressure. Also, no help from the LBer's.

I'm sorry but pinning the repulsive defensive play that we have had this season on a rookie DT is naive. Warren Sapp, Albert Haynesworth, and the like all had similar if not worse stats their rookie season. People think that just because a player is big and/or fast in college means that they will be NFL stars immediately.

Our coaching is a JOKE, our DC hid under a cloak of an amazingly talented Offense in the early 2000's, and we blamed Vermeil. Now we have a "defensive" head coach, and our defense is terrible. Do the math

Terrible coaching on Defense + losses + record low sack count on year = Cunningham's pink slip.

CoMoChief
11-24-2008, 08:41 AM
Whitlock also called Dorsey the next Warren Sapp, this doesn't happen overnight.

If he doesn't at least improve next season, then we may have problems.

raybec 4
11-24-2008, 09:13 AM
Granted there is more to the DT position than just sacks but when analyzing Dorsey's play I like to use the example of Albert Haynesworth who had a mere 4.5 sacks over his first 3 years in the league. He had 6 last year and is well on his way to a DPOY type season with 8.5 sacks and 3 FF already on the season. If Haynesworth can go from being a completely mediocre head stomper to one of the best defensive players in the game then I don't see why we should be worried YET about Dorsey. It's going to take time for him to learn the game.

I agree with the statement, my only concern is that Dorsey doesn't have anyone to show him the correct way to do it. He has zero veteran leadership to take advice from and his coaches are awful. His best but is to look at what everyone else is doing and then do the exact opposite.

PhillyChiefFan
11-24-2008, 09:19 AM
I agree with the statement, my only concern is that Dorsey doesn't have anyone to show him the correct way to do it. He has zero veteran leadership to take advice from and his coaches are awful. His best but is to look at what everyone else is doing and then do the exact opposite.

If I were him, I would be on you tube A LOT. :D

I honestly think he will be better than everyone seems to think and it might be because of this season. He is getting dominated, BUT his learning curve is high. He might build on this year and leapfrog a lot of other DT's next year or 2010 season.

I still hold him in high regards and can only hope we get a DC and an HC that can hone his skills and put players around him to help him and in turn the Defense succeed. I think he is a future leader and I hope we hold on to him and make him the anchor of the defense for years.

I just don't see success with Herm and Gunther.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-24-2008, 09:25 AM
If I were him, I would be on you tube A LOT. :D

I honestly think he will be better than everyone seems to think and it might be because of this season. He is getting dominated, BUT his learning curve is high. He might build on this year and leapfrog a lot of other DT's next year or 2010 season.

I still hold him in high regards and can only hope we get a DC and an HC that can hone his skills and put players around him to help him and in turn the Defense succeed. I think he is a future leader and I hope we hold on to him and make him the anchor of the defense for years.

I just don't see success with Herm and Gunther.

You have to remember these were the same dipshits who said Bowe>Calvin Johnson and Hali>Williams because they had good rookie years.

StcChief
11-24-2008, 10:44 AM
A couple pics from Sunday.

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2834/dorsey1copyru8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Owned by Faneca.


http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7972/dorsey2copysj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Blown off the ball by Faneca. fine. A multi year ALL PRO Line man for Steelers owns rookie Dorsey. Hmmm. color me shocked.

orange
11-24-2008, 11:58 AM
The thing is...EVERYONE EVERYONE was calling this guy the best defensive tackle prospect to come out in YEARS.


Everyone - except those other teams who passed on him. :doh!:

googlegoogle
11-24-2008, 01:54 PM
tank tyler look great last year?

Mecca
11-24-2008, 02:11 PM
You have to remember these were the same dipshits who said Bowe>Calvin Johnson and Hali>Williams because they had good rookie years.

I would bet you that you could find someone on this forum that thinks Bowe is better than Calvin Johnson.

Ebolapox
11-24-2008, 02:53 PM
...Our coaching is a JOKE....

no it's not! red bull says coaching isn't the reason that dorsey sucks! and he must be right, he's a fucking genius who doesn't need stats to know that he's right!

:spock:

RedThat
11-24-2008, 03:07 PM
no it's not! red bull says coaching isn't the reason that dorsey sucks! and he must be right, he's a ****ing genius who doesn't need stats to know that he's right!

:spock:

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