KSU Ron Prince to resign [Archive]

Demonpenz

11-05-2008, 01:53 PM

Next year the kids that he recruited would be seniors. I would like for him to see what they can do. It has been a roguh go for the man though

Ari FAUXbia

11-05-2008, 01:53 PM

I really liked Ron Prince. I was hoping he would stay at K-State for many years.

BudLightBronco420

11-05-2008, 01:54 PM

Saulbadguy, I fucking hate you.

Saulbadguy

11-05-2008, 01:55 PM

Saulbadguy, I ****ing hate you.

:clap:

I get that alot.

BigRock

11-05-2008, 02:20 PM

:deevee: :deevee:

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/4853/princeol3.gif

you can do eet, ron prince :(

duncan_idaho

11-05-2008, 02:22 PM

:clap:

I get that alot.

So who's your guy?
Patterson?
Bennett?
Venables?

You guys go inside the Snyder tree this time, right? This is going to be a tough offseason to find a new coach ...

Pitt Gorilla

11-05-2008, 02:24 PM

I thought you just gave him an extension?

Saulbadguy

11-05-2008, 02:24 PM

So who's your guy?
Patterson?
Bennett?
Venables?

You guys go inside the Snyder tree this time, right? This is going to be a tough offseason to find a new coach ...

Patterson - Like.
Bennett - NO.
Venables - meh.

Terry Bowden (going the Bob Huggins route) would be awesome IMO. Even Tommy wouldn't be that bad, nor would Phil Fulmer.

Tuberville...another solid choice.

I disagree with you, I think it will be a good offseason to find a coach. Lots of qualified guys getting fired out there, and lots of strong assistants.

Saulbadguy

11-05-2008, 02:25 PM

I thought you just gave him an extension?
:) Seriously?

the Talking Can

11-05-2008, 02:30 PM

wish i could fired and paid

Reerun_KC

11-05-2008, 02:31 PM

He reminds me of Quinn Snyder, he will be missed!

HemiEd

11-05-2008, 02:31 PM

http://www.kansas.com/735/story/586707.html

YES! :clap:

I am shocked by your attitude Saul. You were on his bandwagon big time to get him hired.

Ultra Peanut

11-05-2008, 02:33 PM

Tommy West only makes $900,000 a year. He's a great bargain, just trust me!

hawkchief

11-05-2008, 02:41 PM

I am shocked by your attitude Saul. You were on his bandwagon big time to get him hired.

Saul's never been known for being the sharpest tool in the shed.

Stewie

11-05-2008, 02:41 PM

I thought he'd be given another year. I did have a problem with all the JuCo kids this year and I never felt Freeman was coached up. I still think that kid has a ton of talent.

ferrarispider95

11-05-2008, 02:42 PM

lol

Have Ron swing by KC and pick up Herm with the U-Haul.

Demonpenz

11-05-2008, 02:43 PM

Saul's never been known for being the sharpest tool in the shed.

i think saul is known for having multiple computer and technical degrees

Saulbadguy

11-05-2008, 02:48 PM

I am shocked by your attitude Saul. You were on his bandwagon big time to get him hired.

I was on his bandwagon after he was hired because he produced a good season. Then he failed, big time.

Mr. Arrowhead

11-05-2008, 02:49 PM

dam i actually liked prince

Fish

11-05-2008, 02:50 PM

If they sign one of the Bowden demons, I will personally burn MHK to the ground....

KChiefs1

11-05-2008, 02:50 PM

How will this effect the Mizzou vs K-State game this weekend?

Goapics1

11-05-2008, 02:51 PM

How will this effect the Mizzou vs K-State game this weekend?

Prolly the same way it effected Washington vs USC this past weekend. 56-0 IIRC.

alpha_omega

11-05-2008, 02:56 PM

quitter!

Saulbadguy

11-05-2008, 02:57 PM

How will this effect the Mizzou vs K-State game this weekend?

Either way it was going to be ugly. :evil:

gblowfish

11-05-2008, 03:00 PM

He just can't stand to face Mizzou Saturday...

Chazno

11-05-2008, 03:10 PM

My sister-in-Law is building a house next door to him. Prince's house has a recruiting haven in the basement. Black/gray walls and purple carpet. I'm guessing it might be on the market a while.

Skip Towne

11-05-2008, 03:11 PM

I really didn't think he was that bad. They've had much worse. It will be interesting to see who they can attract.

Sam Hall

11-05-2008, 03:17 PM

Thoughts and prayers from the Husker nation, coach Prince.

kstater

11-05-2008, 03:18 PM

PBJ PBJ

But back to reality, this makes it virtually a no brainer that Freeman is coming out this year. No way he stays for just for 1 year of a new coach.

Alton deFlat

11-05-2008, 03:23 PM

Was that Dennis Franchione I saw in Manhattan last weekend?

Saulbadguy

11-05-2008, 03:24 PM

Was that Dennis Franchione I saw in Manhattan last weekend?

God I hope not.

mikeyis4dcats.

11-05-2008, 03:29 PM

I was on his bandwagon after he was hired because he produced a good season. Then he failed, big time.

correct, no one was on the bandwagon to GET him hired because no fan knew anything beforehand.

Many of us, and much of the media, got snowjobbed by his intelligent and polished speaking ability.

Two diehard KU fans even told me Saturday after leaving a luncheon Prince spoke at his first year, they both thought they were fucked and that Prince was going to make us a real contender.

Sam Hall

11-05-2008, 03:33 PM

God I hope not.

I heard Bob Davie was driving around looking at houses.

Saulbadguy

11-05-2008, 03:34 PM

The rumor, which would make me really wonder what the hell this administration is thinking, is Bill Snyder returning to coaching.

Sure-Oz

11-05-2008, 03:34 PM

Atleast he isn't full of shit when his coaching sucks or team, like Herm.

BigRock

11-05-2008, 03:36 PM

They should bank up the Brinks truck to Mike Leach's house. He'd still be able to recruit in Texas and the Big 12 north will probably be wide open in a year or two.

Sam Hall

11-05-2008, 03:37 PM

The rumor, which would make me really wonder what the hell this administration is thinking, is Bill Snyder returning to coaching.

They should make Snyder the head coach and hire Dr. Lou for AD.

Saulbadguy

11-05-2008, 03:38 PM

They should make Snyder the head coach and hire Dr. Lou for AD.

Health insurance premiums would go through the roof!

Skip Towne

11-05-2008, 03:40 PM

God I hope not.

You'll never get that lucky.

mikeboogie

11-05-2008, 03:43 PM

I cannot believe that they jokers on 810 are saying it is a shame they sent Prince packing.

I say cut your losses and Bring in Fulmer or Tubberville

KChiefs1

11-05-2008, 04:07 PM

Was that Dennis Franchione I saw in Manhattan last weekend?

ESPNews just mentioned Franchione saying he used to coach in Kansas????ROFL

sportsman1

11-05-2008, 04:08 PM

Power Towels Everyone!

Skip Towne

11-05-2008, 04:09 PM

ESPNews just mentioned Franchione saying he used to coach in Kansas????ROFL

Pitt State.

Alton deFlat

11-05-2008, 04:16 PM

Pitt State.

..and he was an assistant for the Wildcats before that.

ChiefsCountry

11-05-2008, 04:18 PM

The rumor, which would make me really wonder what the hell this administration is thinking, is Bill Snyder returning to coaching.

You guys want to be Nebraska I see.

WilliamTheIrish

11-05-2008, 04:18 PM

Deep cleansing breath.

1ChiefsDan

11-05-2008, 04:44 PM

ESPNews just mentioned Franchione saying he used to coach in Kansas????ROFLD2 - Pitt State - didn't lose a regular season game while I was in college - but couldn't win in the playoffs.

HemiEd

11-05-2008, 04:52 PM

I was on his bandwagon after he was hired because he produced a good season. Then he failed, big time.

So that is it, what two seasons or three? I guess most KState fans are glad Snyder got more time than that.
Anyone that says the KState program wasnt going down hill under Snyder, wasn't paying attention.

HemiEd

11-05-2008, 04:54 PM

PBJ PBJ

But back to reality, this makes it virtually a no brainer that Freeman is coming out this year. No way he stays for just for 1 year of a new coach.

The Chicago Tribune, has an article listing potential underclassmen coming out. They had Freeman listed at the head of the QB class.

eazyb81

11-05-2008, 05:17 PM

PBJ PBJ

But back to reality, this makes it virtually a no brainer that Freeman is coming out this year. No way he stays for just for 1 year of a new coach.

Brian Brohm did.

KevB

11-05-2008, 05:52 PM

So that is it, what two seasons or three? I guess most KState fans are glad Snyder got more time than that.
Anyone that says the KState program wasnt going down hill under Snyder, wasn't paying attention.

It was more than the win-loss record.

mikeyis4dcats.

11-05-2008, 06:01 PM

It was more than the win-loss record.

exactly. until the last 3 or 4 games I was of the mind that Prince needed a chance just like Mangino and Pinkle.

what changed that was Prince's repeated ignoring of the issues. The constant coach-speak and deflection. Had he made a statement at any time that they were serious about addressing the situation, I'd have been more open to hearing him out, but week after week it was vague Hermisms and constant blaming of players and Prince repeating how it is all his responsibility.

IMO had he announced that Tibesar would not finish the season or a real answer and plan of action he may have bought time. Who knows, maybe a refusal to do something like that brought the ax down.

kstater

11-05-2008, 06:07 PM

exactly. until the last 3 or 4 games I was of the mind that Prince needed a chance just like Mangino and Pinkle.

what changed that was Prince's repeated ignoring of the issues. The constant coach-speak and deflection. Had he made a statement at any time that they were serious about addressing the situation, I'd have been more open to hearing him out, but week after week it was vague Hermisms and constant blaming of players and Prince repeating how it is all his responsibility.

IMO had he announced that Tibesar would not finish the season or a real answer and plan of action he may have bought time. Who knows, maybe a refusal to do something like that brought the ax down.

Don't forget, he has big balls. He proved it by onsides kicking it every fucking week.

Bugeater

11-05-2008, 06:15 PM

The rumor, which would make me really wonder what the hell this administration is thinking, is Bill Snyder returning to coaching.
Did you hear the conference call? The AD sure as hell was evasive when asked if Snyder was a candidate.

Sure-Oz

11-05-2008, 06:16 PM

Seems like K-State already knows who they want, and i will bet it's Snyder, who probably should've never retired anyway. Their AD said something that there will be a coach before the season is over. That means it's a coach not coaching right now or won't be.

Saulbadguy

11-05-2008, 06:18 PM

Did you hear the conference call? The AD sure as hell was evasive when asked if Snyder was a candidate.

Yep. Dumbass. (Our AD, not you)

KChiefs1

11-05-2008, 06:32 PM

Pitt State.

When was this? I remember him coaching in Alabama & Texas A&M.

Coach

11-05-2008, 06:36 PM

Personally, I hope Snyder doesn't think about getting back in this business, even if it's just for a stop-gap. He has a strong legacy in Manhattan, why risk it?

kstater

11-05-2008, 06:40 PM

Personally, I hope Snyder doesn't think about getting back in this business, even if it's just for a stop-gap. He has a strong legacy in Manhattan, why risk it?

I agree. I would think it would be a minimum of 3 years to get the program back to his standards. But it wouldn't shock me if he came back. In the 4 years I was in scool, you literally couldn't drive by Vanier and not see his car there.

Sure-Oz

11-05-2008, 07:06 PM

38 the spot said Snyder wants the job

KevB

11-05-2008, 07:16 PM

I wouldn't be surprised to see him come back and institute the same principles that were in place during his tenure. He could bring in a pretty strong coaching staff (a major weakness of Prince) with ties to recruiting this region. One of those coaches would likely be tabbed as the coach in waiting.

I'm generally ok with this, as long as people's expectations are reasonable.

WilliamTheIrish

11-05-2008, 07:16 PM

Jack Harry said that KK said that Snyder said he wants the job. No way.

kstater

11-05-2008, 07:17 PM

If it's true, I wonder what kind of Offensive philosiphy he'll come back with. I don't know if his old scheme is still the way to go.

KevB

11-05-2008, 07:31 PM

If it's true, I wonder what kind of Offensive philosiphy he'll come back with. I don't know if his old scheme is still the way to go.

I actually think it may be the best way to go. It's contrarian. Everybody is recruiting offensive spread players, and KState will be down the list of the top recruits. But, how many programs are recruiting the true dual threat QB's and offensive lineman who are more proficient run blockers? On top of that, running the ball keeps the opposing prolific offenses off the field. Most defenses are being built small and fast. A dominant running team would be difficult to handle. That said, the dominant run stopping defenses Snyder built would need to be tweaked obviously.

BigRock

11-05-2008, 08:31 PM

Isn't Bill Snyder like 90 years old? How is this even possible?

kstater

11-05-2008, 08:53 PM

Isn't Bill Snyder like 90 years old? How is this even possible?

For the last 3 years, KSU has been working on cloning research.

Or, he could be only 69 years old.

Kerberos

11-05-2008, 09:05 PM

For the last 3 years, KSU has been working on cloning research.

Or, he could be only 69 years old.

69.....96 ..... It's all the same thing.

DomerNKC

11-05-2008, 09:13 PM

The rumor, which would make me really wonder what the hell this administration is thinking, is Bill Snyder returning to coaching.Did he ever coach? I just thought he lined up alot of tin cans to make people like you think that program was actually better than it was.

ChiTown

11-05-2008, 09:28 PM

Did he ever coach? I just thought he lined up alot of tin cans to make people like you think that program was actually better than it was.

:spock:

notorious

11-05-2008, 09:34 PM

Snyder's offense would be perfect now. It is VERY hard to practice and prepare for. You can go out and recruit good athletes that aren't getting hounded by every school in the country.

Right now they are competing with every big-time school in recruiting for players in the Pro-Style or Spread offenses.

The key for ANY coach coming into MHK is to get some excellent position/assistant coaches. That is what carried Snyder for years. Penn St. has some excellent assistants that is making that program go, because it sure isn't JoPa.

kstater

11-05-2008, 09:35 PM

Did he ever coach? I just thought he lined up alot of tin cans to make people like you think that program was actually better than it was.

Well that 2003 Big 12 championship schedule was full of tin cans. Including the big 12 runner up that played in the national championship. The same OU team that prior to that epic beatdown, was being considered among the top teams ever in CFB.

notorious

11-05-2008, 09:48 PM

Well that 2003 Big 12 championship schedule was full of tin cans. Including the big 12 runner up that played in the national championship. The same OU team that prior to that epic beatdown, was being considered among the top teams ever in CFB.

Not to mention if they wouldn't have played like shit against Marshall, and if DJ wouldn't have made Roberson fumble 8 inches from the sideline, KSU would have been knocking on the door of a NC appearence (oh ya screw A&M)

BigRock

11-05-2008, 10:49 PM

Or, he could be only 69 years old.

Really? He looks so much older.

Lzen

11-06-2008, 10:06 AM

You guys can thank KU. Same goes for Nebraska. KU's thrashing Nebraska last year and KSU this year were both the final nails in the coffins of those coaches. :D

So, BS coming back, eh? I thought the reason he struggled the last couple of years was because he was getting old and didn't want to do all that it takes to go out and recruit. That's what I had heard anyway. What say you KSU guys? Any truth to that.

BTW,
For the folks that mentioned the new contract that Prince had been given. I had been hearing all season long that the contract had a pretty easy buyout for KSU. Sounds like they were smart with the way they structured it.

Saulbadguy

11-06-2008, 01:27 PM

It's sounding like Bill Snyder.

WilliamTheIrish

11-06-2008, 03:06 PM

I just don't think that's a good move, Saully.

Unless he's already found some young coaches/recruiters, I just don't see it as a smart move.

Of course, in the North division, it won't take long to get back into contention as it's incredibly weak, but still.....

Saulbadguy

11-06-2008, 03:09 PM

Pitt Gorilla

11-06-2008, 04:03 PM

Perhaps they should let the players/recruits hire the coach, a la basketball?

(Sorry. No disrespect to the good KSU fans. It just struck me as funny.)

Saulbadguy

11-06-2008, 05:50 PM

Perhaps they should let the players/recruits hire the coach, a la basketball?

(Sorry. No disrespect to the good KSU fans. It just struck me as funny.)

Would have no problem with that.

the Talking Can

11-06-2008, 06:04 PM

probably already said, but shouldn't the AD who gave the coach an extension, just months ago, be fired too?

he's admitting he screwed up and cost the university some large sum of cash and embarrassment...

the Talking Can

11-06-2008, 06:06 PM

bringing back Snyder is a terrible idea...sounds pretty desperate

you can't relive the glory years.....

you need some one with a serious fire in their belly...

Saulbadguy

11-06-2008, 06:07 PM

kstater

11-06-2008, 06:11 PM

you need some one with a serious fire in their belly...

I'm going to find it hard to believe that Snyder doesn't have a serious "fire in their belly".

Saulbadguy

11-06-2008, 06:15 PM

I'm going to find it hard to believe that Snyder doesn't have a serious "fire in their belly".

Snyder will come prepared, and will work his ass off. We may get a little better, but if there is no plan for a successor in place (ala Bielema & Alvarez at Wisconsin), it will be a waste of fucking time.

the Talking Can

11-06-2008, 06:17 PM

I'm going to find it hard to believe that Snyder doesn't have a serious "fire in their belly".

why?

he's already done it once before....he has nothing to prove

Saulbadguy

11-06-2008, 06:27 PM

why?

he's already done it once before....he has nothing to prove

He feels ownership of the program.

kstater

11-06-2008, 06:36 PM

Snyder will come prepared, and will work his ass off. We may get a little better, but if there is no plan for a successor in place (ala Bielema & Alvarez at Wisconsin), it will be a waste of fucking time.

I agree with you and hope he'll find a suitable guy down the road, but to imply that Snyder doesn't have passion is absurd.

hawkchief

11-06-2008, 06:38 PM

Personally, I hope Snyder doesn't think about getting back in this business, even if it's just for a stop-gap. He has a strong legacy in Manhattan, why risk it?

"legacy in Manhattan" - Oxymoron alert!!!

KCFalcon59

11-06-2008, 08:14 PM

Heard that OK has allowed KSU to talk to Venables. Possibly coming in as a Asst. HC for a few years with Snyder.

Saulbadguy

11-06-2008, 08:30 PM

Heard that OK has allowed KSU to talk to Venables. Possibly coming in as a Asst. HC for a few years with Snyder.

And there you have it - the path is being cleared for Venables to take over as HC. :eek:

Maybe.

Edit: Of course this is the first i've heard this particular rumor. I've actually heard that Dave McGinnis coach with Snyder.

KCFalcon59

11-06-2008, 08:54 PM

And there you have it - the path is being cleared for Venables to take over as HC. :eek:

Maybe.

Edit: Of course this is the first i've heard this particular rumor. I've actually heard that Dave McGinnis coach with Snyder.

It will be interesting which ever way they go. I honestly hope they make a reasoned hire. Prince was a big gamble.

Coach

11-06-2008, 10:16 PM

Hmm.... I kinda of find this strange, since I thought Venables and Snyder left in not so good terms? Unless I am mistaken for someone else...

Lzen

11-06-2008, 10:57 PM

What about Gary Patterson at TCU? That was the first name I heard.

Coach

11-06-2008, 11:13 PM

What about Gary Patterson at TCU? That was the first name I heard.

He would have been the first choice I would have gone for when HCBS retired.

mikeyis4dcats.

11-07-2008, 09:31 AM

mikeyis4dcats.

11-07-2008, 09:32 AM

And there you have it - the path is being cleared for Venables to take over as HC. :eek:

Maybe.

Edit: Of course this is the first i've heard this particular rumor. I've actually heard that Dave McGinnis coach with Snyder.

Stoops was quoted this morning as saying he has had no contact with anyone from KSU.

Saulbadguy

11-07-2008, 09:32 AM

\

He actually saved us money. The contract extension lowered the buyout a good bit.

It was chump change considering the amount of season tickets and donations that would have been dropped next year.

mikeyis4dcats.

11-07-2008, 09:34 AM

It was chump change considering the amount of season tickets and donations that would have been dropped next year.

true, but just saying to those that are questioning the extension, that was a main reason for it, to lower the buyouts. KU did the exact same thing with Mangino's last extension.

Saulbadguy

11-07-2008, 09:35 AM

true, but just saying to those that are questioning the extension, that was a main reason for it, to lower the buyouts. KU did the exact same thing with Mangino's last extension.

I generally disregard those people as complete idiots who don't understand business.

mikeyis4dcats.

11-07-2008, 09:37 AM

I generally disregard those people as complete idiots who don't understand business.

agreed. and most are KU fans to boot.

Saulbadguy

11-07-2008, 12:22 PM

Things will get very interesting today. Stay tuned.

Thig Lyfe

11-07-2008, 01:32 PM

PRINCE 'EM

Coach

11-07-2008, 01:52 PM

Things will get very interesting today. Stay tuned.

Why you say that?

Saulbadguy

11-07-2008, 02:08 PM

Why you say that?

:)

banyon

11-22-2008, 02:22 PM

Tim Brando: Bill Snyder will be re-hired as next K-State coach?

Just said he got a "non-denial denial" from Snyder on CBS football pregame.

eazyb81

11-22-2008, 02:37 PM

Tim Brando: Bill Snyder will be re-hired as next K-State coach?

Just said he got a "non-denial denial" from Snyder on CBS football pregame.

That would be both hilarious and sad.

KCFalcon59

11-22-2008, 04:02 PM

Heard there is a news conference tomorrow. Though I heard it was still Patterson.

DaneMcCloud

11-22-2008, 04:06 PM

Tim Brando: Bill Snyder will be re-hired as next K-State coach?

Just said he got a "non-denial denial" from Snyder on CBS football pregame.

I hope not.

Bill Snyder was an amazing head coach at K-State but he's too old.

Pass the torch.

This time to a Snyder staff alumni.

Saulbadguy

11-22-2008, 04:19 PM

It's going to be either Snyder or Patterson.

RNR

11-22-2008, 04:19 PM

Tim Brando: Bill Snyder will be re-hired as next K-State coach?

Just said he got a "non-denial denial" from Snyder on CBS football pregame.

He did a wonderful job bringing K-State from a joke to a powerhouse. That said he was leading K-State the wrong direction before he quit. They need new life in that program IMO Snyder will only tarnish his image by returning.

the Talking Can

11-22-2008, 04:21 PM

Snyder would be a desperate move....

kstater

11-22-2008, 04:23 PM

I hope not.

Bill Snyder was an amazing head coach at K-State but he's too old.

Pass the torch.

This time to a Snyder staff alumni.

According to Saul(I believe) IF Snyder were to come back, it would be to help re-build recruiting and "groom" his replacement for a few years.

Saulbadguy

11-22-2008, 05:07 PM

Snyder would be a desperate move....

And stupid.

DaneMcCloud

11-22-2008, 10:11 PM

And stupid.

Yep.

They need someone from the Snyder coaching tree, not Snyder himself.

Buehler445

11-22-2008, 10:29 PM

I hope not.

Bill Snyder was an amazing head coach at K-State but he's too old.

Pass the torch.

This time to a Snyder staff alumni.

I am in full agreement with this post.

I really REALLY hope that Snyder is not the next coach....and I am a KU fan. For the respect of the program, hire him as a consultant or something.

Ultra Peanut

11-23-2008, 03:37 AM

Tommy West only makes $900,000 a year. He's a great bargain, just trust me!The offer still stands.

FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST, THE OFFER STILL STANDS

Saulbadguy

11-23-2008, 08:18 PM

http://www.kansas.com/sports/updates/story/608043.html

Bill Snyder, architect of the "Miracle in Manhattan," will be introduced Monday as the football coach at Kansas State again, sources confirmed tonight.

Snyder is already the program's most successful coach, winning 135 games in 17 seasons. The stadium bears Snyder's name.

Snyder, 69, retired in November 2005, telling members of the media, his family and friends, "To me, this is the right time." He said during a news conference he felt he was leaving the program on solid ground.

But K-State hired Ron Prince, who lasted three seasons, finishing with a 17-20 record.

A source indicated Snyder would be given a five-year contract worth $1.8 million per season.

A news conference is scheduled for 10 a.m.

Saulbadguy

11-23-2008, 08:19 PM

JFC. What a joke.

beavis

11-23-2008, 08:36 PM

Sweet... for the rest of the north anyway :)

KCFalcon59

11-23-2008, 08:37 PM

Well so much for moving forward

beavis

11-23-2008, 08:40 PM

Well so much for moving forward

Exactly. I really don't understand this at all.

SquirrellyBastard

11-23-2008, 08:43 PM

They must have really pissed Gary Patterson off..

ArrowheadHawk

11-23-2008, 09:03 PM

Jo Pa part II.

eazyb81

11-23-2008, 09:07 PM

Wow, K State is in shambles.

FloridaMan88

11-23-2008, 09:09 PM

Bill Snyder doesn't know how to play today's recruiting game and can't relate to today's high school players... how has this changed from when he "retired" 3 years ago?