Mark Morris: Lawrence woman sues Chiefs' Larry Johnson over bar spat

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Lawrence woman sues Chiefs' Larry Johnson over bar spat (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/883982.html)
By MARK MORRIS
The Kansas City Star

Chiefs running back Larry Johnson became the target of more legal attention Monday when a Lawrence woman sued him in Jackson County for spitting a drink on her.

Johnson currently is facing a simple-assault allegation for the Oct. 10 incident at a Country Club Plaza nightclub.

The woman, Ashley N. Stewart, told police that Johnson intentionally spit his drink in her face and threatened to kill her boyfriend.

Monday’s lawsuit does not seek specific monetary damages, only an amount that is “fair and reasonable to be determined by the jury.” Stewart’s lawyer, Kirra N. Jones, said her client’s injuries are real.

“She has been subjected to not only the initial incident, but the humiliation that stemmed from that,” Jones said. “Basically, what we seek to do is to hold Larry Johnson responsible for his actions and hopefully send a message to him and the community that this is not going to continue.”

Johnson’s lawyer could not be reached Monday.

Johnson faces an additional simple-assault ticket for an alleged shoving incident that occurred in February at a different Kansas City nightclub.

Johnson, who has apologized to his teammates, coaches and fans, has missed four games this season. The NFL suspended him for Sunday’s game against San Diego for violating the league’s personal-conduct policy. The team previously had benched him for violating team rules and because of his pending legal troubles.

[Reerun_KC]

Is this repost night?

[ZootedGranny]

Good to see Mark Morris get some work. I loved "Return of the Mack." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJFUSiRCLBM)

[mikey23545]

At least this shows what the whole incident was really all about...Some gold-digging c#nt looking for a payday.

And how much should a drink-spitting be worth anyway? A couple of dollars? A dry cleaning bill?

Die in a fire, bitch.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

At least this shows what the whole incident was really all about...Some gold-digging c#nt looking for a payday.

And how much should a drink-spitting be worth anyway? A couple of dollars? A dry cleaning bill?

Die in a fire, bitch.

Yeah, this chick is obviously in the wrong here...

Dumbass.

This fucktard deserves every lawsuit that gets thrown at him.

[Miles]

Yeah, this chick is obviously in the wrong here...

Dumbass.

This fucktard deserves every lawsuit that gets thrown at him.

Her damages sound somewhat minor at best and likely would lead to pretty much nothing if the defendant did not have a deep pocket. Still what he allegedly did was obviously shitty if true, but that does not mean she is deserving of her likely sizable damages claim.

[mikey23545]

Yeah, this chick is obviously in the wrong here...

Dumbass.

This ****tard deserves every lawsuit that gets thrown at him.

Jeezus, you're retarded.

Nobody said the bitch was in the wrong in the initial incident. But do you really think having a drink spit in your face is worth filing a lawsuit over?

You're a typical liberal asshole. Time for some redistribution of wealth, right?

[Miles]

But do you really think having a drink spit in your face is worth filing a lawsuit over?

Depending on whether that was all there was to this probably not, but it could be worth it.

[Bwana]

I bet this gets settled out of court, but will lighten thugs boys pocket by several thousand dollars. He can take the monetary hit of the settlement, but these little incidents don't do a lot for his reputation. How much have his poor decisions really cost him? Do you think major shoe, and other companies are going to be lining up wanting to use Johnson in their TV commercials? Is the girl a gold digger, yes. Should Johnson have had the brains to avoid the brush with the law and keep his drink in his pie hole, yes. Larry needs to pull his head out of his ass and stay away from the cocktails. Life is full of choices, up to this point in his life, he has made some bad ones. Johnson can either deal with his drinking problem, or it's going to get much worse down the road.

[alpha_omega]

Settlement.

[InChiefsHeaven]

I bet this gets settled out of court, but will lighten thugs boys pocket by several thousand dollars. He can take the monetary hit of the settlement, but these little incidents don't do a lot for his reputation. How much have his poor decisions really cost him? Do you think major shoe, and other companies are going to be lining up wanting to use Johnson in their TV commercials? Is the girl a gold digger, yes. Should Johnson have had the brains to avoid the brush with the law and keep his drink in his pie hole, yes. Larry needs to pull his head out of his ass and stay away from the cocktails. Life is full of choices, up to this point in his life, he has made some bad ones. Johnson can either deal with his drinking problem, or it's going to get much worse down the road.

Yep. Too bad Jared is gone, he could probably have a thing or two to say to LJ that might help him out, since by all indications he's not drinking anymore.

It is ridiculous that this chick is suing him for a friggin' stupid thing that he did, but the guy just keeps doing stupid things, so he's just asking for it. If you or I did this, there would be no law suit, we all know that. He's got to understand who he is and what his liability is. And he needs to grow the hell up.

[Brock]

She should be awarded 10 bucks for some nice towels from BB&B.

[HemiEd]

She should be awarded 10 bucks for some nice towels from BB&B.

Towels, plural? Have you ever been in a BB&B? ROFL That won't touch a towel in there.


More seriously though, spitting in someone's face is a felony. Since nobody shoved the glass down his throat, he needs to be properly punished. He just another fucking thug trying to earn some street cred.

[PRIEST]

At least this shows what the whole incident was really all about...Some gold-digging c#nt looking for a payday.

And how much should a drink-spitting be worth anyway? A couple of dollars? A dry cleaning bill?

Die in a fire, bitch.


exactly .I could give a rats ass what Larry does in a club.

[Demonpenz]

exactly .I could give a rats ass what Larry does in a club.



I don't think you would feel the same if you had to hold your wife or sister because she can't sleep or is worried larry johnson will kill her.

[Saulbadguy]

I wonder if this is the same chick Sheron Collins rubbed his junk on in an elevator. Nothing to see here, folks.

[PRIEST]

I don't think you would feel the same if you had to hold your wife or sister because she can't sleep or is worried larry johnson will kill her.


That's a joke right? Being the murder that Larry is ,that would be the least of my worries.

[Johnny Vegas]

I don't see why LJ doesn't file the same suit oh her. The investigation says she threw a drink on him then later he came back and spit his drink on her. Same crime.

[stumppy]

I usually fall on the side of 'there's too many bullshit lawsuits filed nowdays'. However, in this case, with the normal response not being an option. ( Her husband/BF knocking the f*ck out of LJ) Then this route is justified. IMO.

[Demonpenz]

That's a joke right? Being the murder that Larry is ,that would be the least of my worries.

OJ part II

[xbarretx]

At least this shows what the whole incident was really all about...Some gold-digging c#nt looking for a payday.

And how much should a drink-spitting be worth anyway? A couple of dollars? A dry cleaning bill?

Die in a fire, bitch.

rep

[xbarretx]

Yeah, this chick is obviously in the wrong here...

Dumbass.

This ****tard deserves every lawsuit that gets thrown at him.

Hamas, i pray that given your response to this you didnt side with the idiot gal who took mcdonalds to the bank b/c she intentionally spilled coffee on her crotch?

[Red Beans]

Obviously this kind of thing happens to athletes and celebrities all the time. The trick is not to put yourself in those situations...Larry you are a freakin idiot. There is no way a pro player should be out at a club at 3am Friday night when he's got to play football on Sunday. It blows my mind...

[DaneMcCloud]

Obviously this kind of thing happens to athletes and celebrities all the time. The trick is not to put yourself in those situations...Larry you are a freakin idiot. There is no way a pro player should be out at a club at 3am Friday night when he's got to play football on Sunday. It blows my mind...

Good point, Red Beans.

Was this an "exclusive" nightclub or just a normal joint?

[xbarretx]

Obviously this kind of thing happens to athletes and celebrities all the time. The trick is not to put yourself in those situations...Larry you are a freakin idiot. There is no way a pro player should be out at a club at 3am Friday night when he's got to play football on Sunday. It blows my mind...

i concur, and i also do with Hamas in the sense that he needs to be held accountable.

what i dont agree with is TORT killing our society. lets take everyone to court and see how deep there pockets are.

[PRIEST]

OJ part II



ROFLROFL

[DaneMcCloud]

i concur, and i also do with Hamas in the sense that he needs to be held accountable.

what i dont agree with is TORT killing our society. lets take everyone to court and see how deep there pockets are.

That's why I advocate an umbrella policy, especially for people with assets.

With this society being so litigious, you need to be prepared.

[googlegoogle]

Anyone around KC or Lawrence know what she looks like?

Only got this.

facebook.com/people/Ashley_Nicole_Stewart-Dowell/7925899

[Red Beans]

I have heard from numerous reliable and unreliable sources that he's out all the time. So I would think that he's out at regular run of the mill nightclubs

[sedated]

at least she's hot.

<img src="http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/deadspin/2008/11/AshleyStewart01.jpg">

http://deadspin.com/5083022/ashley-stewart-sues-larry-johnson-poses-in-wetlands-area

[blaise]

I can't believe some money hungry chick would try to get money from LJ when all he did was go to a club, flaunt the fact that he's got money in front of money hungry women and then spit in one of their faces.
What are the odds?

[StcChief]

Who couldn't see this coming after first report....:rolleyes: If she did dump her drink on him....
either way LJ pay the b1tch to go away... note to self. Stay outta those situations.

[Carlota69]

Hamas, i pray that given your response to this you didnt side with the idiot gal who took mcdonalds to the bank b/c she intentionally spilled coffee on her crotch?

You dont know much about that case, do you? Most people dont. The coffee was so damn hot, it burned her vagina so bad, she had to have multiple surgeries, just to make it look sort of normal.

Make funny vag joke here, but if your penis got burned to the point where you could no longer use it properly, you'd be suing too.

As far as LJ is concerned, I agree, its a frivoulous lawsuit, but he's a dumb ****. He should know better. Famous athlete with $$. Not smart. people will go after you for your $$ if they can. He gave her an avenue.

[unlurking]

You dont know much about that case, do you? Most people dont. The coffee was so damn hot, it burned her vagina so bad, she had to have multiple surgeries, just to make it look sort of normal.

Make funny vag joke here, but if your penis got burned to the point where you could no longer use it properly, you'd be suing too.

As far as LJ is concerned, I agree, its a frivoulous lawsuit, but he's a dumb ****. He should know better. Famous athlete with $$. Not smart. people will go after you for your $$ if they can. He gave her an avenue.
Sorry, I wouldn't be stupid enough to put the god damn thing between my legs while driving. Would you support the guy suing Weber or Brinkmann because he was grilling as a nudist and dropped his junk on the grates? Fuck no you wouldn't. You'd laugh at the dumb fuckstick for acting like a moron and then thank god the dipshit could no longer pass down his fucked up genetics.

"Why oh why weren't there stickers on the grill warning me it was hot?!?!?!"
:rolleyes:

[blaise]

It was shown in court that McDonalds policy was to heat their coffee to an unreasonably high temperature, more than most normal coffee makers. The woman in the case received third degree burns on her skin. She tried repeatedly to settle with McDonalds for just her medical bills but they refused. They lost in court and the reason the settlement was so large was because she suffered extreme pain and also to stop them from heating the coffee so high and to prevent it from happening again.
Almost anyone familiar with the facts of that case would side with the plaintiff. It sounds like a frivoulous case at first glance but it wasn't.
I'm certainly not a fan of our society's penchant for lawsuits but that case was different.

[Carlota69]

It was shown in court that McDonalds policy was to heat their coffee to an unreasonably high temperature, more than most normal coffee makers. The woman in the case received third degree burns on her skin. She tried repeatedly to settle with McDonalds for just her medical bills but they refused. They lost in court and the reason the settlement was so large was because she suffered extreme pain and also to stop them from heating the coffee so high and to prevent it from happening again.
Almost anyone familiar with the facts of that case would side with the plaintiff. It sounds like a frivoulous case at first glance but it wasn't.
I'm certainly not a fan of our society's penchant for lawsuits but that case was different.

Yep, and its funny how butthurt people get when you tell them the facts of the case, like they were the ones being sued or something. Like Unlurking. Wonder why he is so bitter....

Sorry, I wouldn't be stupid enough to put the god damn thing between my legs while driving. Would you support the guy suing Weber or Brinkmann because he was grilling as a nudist and dropped his junk on the grates? **** no you wouldn't. You'd laugh at the dumb ****stick for acting like a moron and then thank god the dipshit could no longer pass down his ****ed up genetics.

"Why oh why weren't there stickers on the grill warning me it was hot?!?!?!"

[unlurking]

You make it sound as if it should have been a class-action lawsuit. Not buyin' it. Fuck the temperature bullshit as well. Most people like coffee HOT, not room temperature. My machine is set to 192 degrees, higher than the average McDonald's temperature, so blow your "unreasonably high temp" out your ass too.

Might as well cater to those fuckwads that call 911 because the drive-thru window fucked up their order. Take some fucking responsibility for your own damn life.

[unlurking]

Because that case SHOWS EXACTLY what this country has become. A bunch of politically correct bums with their hands out.

"Fuck the American Dream"

[unlurking]

Yep, and its funny how butthurt people get when you tell them the facts of the case, like they were the ones being sued or something. Like Unlurking. Wonder why he is so bitter....

Sorry, I wouldn't be stupid enough to put the god damn thing between my legs while driving. Would you support the guy suing Weber or Brinkmann because he was grilling as a nudist and dropped his junk on the grates? **** no you wouldn't. You'd laugh at the dumb ****stick for acting like a moron and then thank god the dipshit could no longer pass down his ****ed up genetics.

"Why oh why weren't there stickers on the grill warning me it was hot?!?!?!"

Would you support a nudist who injured himself while grilling?

[Carlota69]

Would you support a nudist who injured himself while grilling?

Dont know enough about the case. Curious, why are you so angry?

[blaise]

Hey unlurking- you're not passing your coffee out in styrofoam cups to people in cars you braindead jackass. Kudos to you for your superhot coffee. Most coffee makers are around 140-150. I just you're just a super-duper badass.
And I don't know if you think typing a bunch of cursewords makes your case stronger but quite honestly it just makes you look like a total douche.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Would you support a nudist who injured himself while grilling?

FWIW, the analogy doesn't hold. he's the one doing the grilling. She ordered and was given a very hot cup of coffee...apparently hotter than the gates of hell itself...

...but I agree with you, it's a ridiculous law suit, regardless. Mama always told me that if I spill hot coffee on myself, I'll get burned. If I'm driving and I put said cup of joe between my legs, well...

[unlurking]

OK, you know enough about McDonald's then. What EXACTLY did they do wrong by serving their customer hot coffee, served at a temperature similar to that of almost every coffee vendor I've ever been too?

I'm angry because I don't like concept of rewarding idiots with outrageous settlements. Getting rid of this crap would benefit everyone. I'm curious to see what the cost of health care would be if reasonable limits were placed on malpractice and other suits. More affordable health care is only one benefit. Think of the cost cuts that could go on across all industries.

You don't HONESTLY think that the settlement came out of the pockets of McDonald's do you?

[unlurking]

Hey unlurking- you're not passing your coffee out in styrofoam cups to people in cars you braindead jackass. Kudos to you for your superhot coffee. Most coffee makers are around 140-150. I just you're just a super-duper badass.
And I don't know if you think typing a bunch of cursewords makes your case stronger but quite honestly it just makes you look like a total douche.
hahahaha

Hey dipstick (lighter "curseword" to less offend your sensibilities?), I leave the house EVERY DAY and get into my car with a cup of that hot and frothy goodness in a styrofoam cup!

I have NEVER spilled that shit on myself. I have spilled a little taking curves to fast though. Hmmm, maybe I should go sue Keurig for the cost of cleaning out the cupholder in my car?! :)

BTW, these Dixie cups are awesome!

http://www.dixie.com/images/grabngo.jpg
http://www.instawares.com/images/details/1px.gif
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[Carlota69]

OK, you know enough about McDonald's then. What EXACTLY did they do wrong by serving their customer hot coffee, served at a temperature similar to that of almost every coffee vendor I've ever been too?

I'm angry because I don't like concept of rewarding idiots with outrageous settlements. Getting rid of this crap would benefit everyone. I'm curious to see what the cost of health care would be if reasonable limits were placed on malpractice and other suits. More affordable health care is only one benefit. Think of the cost cuts that could go on across all industries.

You don't HONESTLY think that the settlement came out of the pockets of McDonald's do you?

Well, this isnt my first rodeo./ I remember the Dennys lawsuit and the rpice of the grand Slam going up by $3 right after they lost. Doesnt make what they did right tho. here's the MCyD's stroy.



On February 27, 1992, Stella Liebeck, a 79-year-old woman from Albuquerque, New Mexico, ordered a 49¢ cup of coffee from the drive-through window of a local McDonald's restaurant. Liebeck was in the passenger's seat of her Ford Probe, and her grandson Chris parked the car so that Liebeck could add cream and sugar to her coffee. She placed the coffee cup between her knees and pulled the far side of the lid toward her to remove it. In the process, she spilled the entire cup of coffee on her lap.[7]

Liebeck was wearing cotton sweatpants; they absorbed the coffee and held it against her skin as she sat in the puddle of hot liquid for over 90 seconds, scalding her thighs, buttocks, and groin.[8] Liebeck was taken to the hospital, where it was determined that she had suffered third-degree burns on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent.[9] She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting. Two years of treatment followed.

Liebeck sought to settle with McDonald's for US $20,000 to cover her medical costs, which were $11,000, but the company offered only $800. When McDonald's refused to raise its offer, Liebeck retained Texas attorney Reed Morgan. Morgan filed suit in a New Mexico District Court accusing McDonald's of “gross negligence” for selling coffee that was “unreasonably dangerous” and “defectively manufactured.” McDonald's refused Morgan's offer to settle for $90,000.[4]

Morgan offered to settle for $300,000, and a mediator suggested $225,000 just before trial, but McDonald's refused these final pre-trial attempts to settle.[4]

During the case, Liebeck's attorneys discovered that McDonald's required franchises to serve coffee at 180–190 °F (82–88 °C). At that temperature, the coffee would cause a third-degree burn in two to seven seconds. Stella Liebeck's attorney argued that coffee should never be served hotter than 140 °F (60 °C), and that a number of other establishments served coffee at a substantially lower temperature than McDonald's.

Liebeck's lawyers presented the jury with evidence that 180 °F coffee like that McDonald’s served may produce third-degree burns (where skin grafting is necessary) in about 12 to 15 seconds (as a reference, the boiling point of water is 212 °F or 100 °C). Lowering the temperature to 160 °F (71 °C) would increase the time for the coffee to produce such a burn to 20 seconds. (A British court later rejected this argument as scientifically false.[10]) Liebeck's attorneys argued that these extra seconds could provide adequate time to remove the coffee from exposed skin, thereby preventing many burns. McDonald's claimed that the reason for serving such hot coffee in its drive-through windows was that, because those who purchased the coffee typically wanted to drive a distance with the coffee, the high initial temperature would keep the coffee hot during the trip.[4] However, the company's own research showed that some customers intend to consume the coffee immediately while driving.[11]

Other documents obtained from McDonald's showed that from 1982 to 1992 the company had received more than 700 reports of people burned by McDonald's coffee to varying degrees of severity, and had settled claims arising from scalding injuries for more than $500,000.[4]

McDonald's quality control manager, Christopher Appleton, testified that this number of injuries was insufficient to cause the company to evaluate its practices. He argued that all foods hotter than 130 °F (54 °C) constituted a burn hazard, and that restaurants had more pressing dangers to warn about. The plaintiffs argued that Appleton conceded that McDonald's coffee would burn the mouth and throat if consumed when served.[12]

The trial lasted from August 8–17, 1994, and the twelve-person jury reached their verdict before Judge Robert H. Scott on August 18.[13]

Applying the principles of comparative negligence, the jury found that McDonald's was 80% responsible for the incident and Liebeck was 20% at fault. Though there was a warning on the coffee cup, the jury decided that the warning was neither large enough nor sufficient. They awarded Liebeck US$200,000 in compensatory damages, which was then reduced by 20% to $160,000. In addition, they awarded her $2.7 million in punitive damages. The jurors apparently arrived at this figure from Morgan's suggestion to penalize McDonald's for one or two days worth of coffee revenues, which were about $1.35 million per day.[4]

The judge reduced punitive damages to $480,000, three times the compensatory amount, for a total of $640,000. The decision was appealed by both McDonald's and Liebeck in December 1994, but the parties settled out of court for an undisclosed amount less than $600,000.[14] Liebeck died on August 4, 2004, at the age of 91.

[unlurking]

OK, skipping the article and reading ONLY the bolded part, assuming it was highlighted to answer my question. Unfortunately, it did not. It did show that the poor woman obviously endured pain and suffering, and that McDonald's is a heartless and cold corporation. It still does not show how McDonald's was at fault here.

[unlurking]

The jurors apparently arrived at this figure from Morgan's suggestion to penalize McDonald's for one or two days worth of coffee revenues, which were about $1.35 million per day.

And this is the bullshit thinking that gets us in this mess. Turns pain and suffering into a lottery, because complete fucking morons have no clue that this "penalty" is actually born by the customer, not the vendor.

[blaise]

No, the punitive damages were to prevent McDonalds from heating their coffee so hot in the future. Because even though several people had already been burned McDonald's still heated the coffee very hot.
Hence the nature of punitive damages.

[Saulbadguy]

You make it sound as if it should have been a class-action lawsuit. Not buyin' it. Fuck the temperature bullshit as well. Most people like coffee HOT, not room temperature. My machine is set to 192 degrees, higher than the average McDonald's temperature, so blow your "unreasonably high temp" out your ass too.

Might as well cater to those fuckwads that call 911 because the drive-thru window fucked up their order. Take some fucking responsibility for your own damn life.

You should dip your balls in your 192 degree coffee, jmo.

[xbarretx]

You dont know much about that case, do you? Most people dont. The coffee was so damn hot, it burned her vagina so bad, she had to have multiple surgeries, just to make it look sort of normal.

Make funny vag joke here, but if your penis got burned to the point where you could no longer use it properly, you'd be suing too.

As far as LJ is concerned, I agree, its a frivoulous lawsuit, but he's a dumb ****. He should know better. Famous athlete with $$. Not smart. people will go after you for your $$ if they can. He gave her an avenue.

i agree, and YES i am well aware of the coffee case. i had to study it in a law class. yes it was hotter than their specs... blah bleh blah blah.. my point is i dont put coffee in my lap and blame someone else if i spill it. hell, im going to go buy a dutch oven and boil some water and dump it on myself and claim that the materail used to forge the pot rendered the water hotter than the specs for the recipe i was creating.


all joking aside, i agree carlota. my point wasnt to dispute the coffee case, as much as to put it in my frame of refrence as being frivolous. right or wrong, i probably used a bad example to get my point across :shrug:

[xbarretx]

It still does not show how McDonald's was at fault here.

i concur, what if the coffwe was only a few degrees cooler? it would have still scalded her... the moral ... dont put hot things in your lap then spill it on yourself ... its borderline darwin award material. while i understand the jury's conclusion i dont agree with it. thats why im not a lawyer


Rep

p.s. carlota rep too :)

[Johnny Vegas]

lets say I left a pen in my shirt and threw it in the washer. Ink is now all over my clothes. Can I sue the company that made the pen because it didn't have a sticker on it that said "leaving pen in clothing while in washer may cause the pen to bleed all its ink"? That lady should have the common sense not to put a hot cup of coffee between her legs. Lack of common sense will be the end of world.

[Brock]

lets say I left a pen in my shirt and threw it in the washer. Ink is now all over my clothes. Can I sue the company that made the pen because it didn't have a sticker on it that said "leaving pen in clothing while in washer may cause the pen to bleed all its ink"? That lady should have the common sense not to put a hot cup of coffee between her legs. Lack of common sense will be the end of world.

A whole lot of stupid being posted in this thread.

[Johnny Vegas]

A whole lot of stupid being posted in this thread.

so you're saying leaving a hot cup of coffee in between you legs while driving is less stupid than leaving a pen in the washer and have it bleed all over your clothes. I think both examples are stupid. Both explained a lack of common sense.

[DJJasonp]

Back to LJ.......

When it happened the first time I thought....well, another civilian going after a celebrity...yada yada yada.....

But....when a pattern of these types of incidents develops....if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck....

Funny thing is.....Vermeil is the one who comes out looking like a genius here (Diapers remarks).

[xbarretx]

Back to LJ.......

When it happened the first time I thought....well, another civilian going after a celebrity...yada yada yada.....

But....when a pattern of these types of incidents develops....if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck....

Funny thing is.....Vermeil is the one who comes out looking like a genius here (Diapers remarks).

yes but why is it he only seems to do his best in diapers (chip on shoulder)? are they less restricting than the tights? LMAO.

if this ends up being settled for a relatively small amount then no big deal providing LJ stops the BS or we trade him. if the settlement is a MINT then thats another story.

[Carlota69]

i agree, and YES i am well aware of the coffee case. i had to study it in a law class. yes it was hotter than their specs... blah bleh blah blah.. my point is i dont put coffee in my lap and blame someone else if i spill it. hell, im going to go buy a dutch oven and boil some water and dump it on myself and claim that the materail used to forge the pot rendered the water hotter than the specs for the recipe i was creating.


all joking aside, i agree carlota. my point wasnt to dispute the coffee case, as much as to put it in my frame of refrence as being frivolous. right or wrong, i probably used a bad example to get my point across :shrug:


I agree with the frivolous part. LJ case is stupid. But so is he. In this day and age, a professional athlete should be smarter than that, knowing people will go after him because of $. I think with the McD's case, Its clearly more difficult to judge. Obviously. One, someone got a drink in their face, the other multple surgries on their genitals.

[Brock]

so you're saying leaving a hot cup of coffee in between you legs while driving is less stupid than leaving a pen in the washer and have it bleed all over your clothes. I think both examples are stupid. Both explained a lack of common sense.

Giving someone a cup of liquid that is heated to an unreasonable temperature that is secured by a flimsy plastic lid seems pretty stupid and careless to me.

[Carlota69]

so you're saying leaving a hot cup of coffee in between you legs while driving is less stupid than leaving a pen in the washer and have it bleed all over your clothes. I think both examples are stupid. Both explained a lack of common sense.

She wasnt driving. She was pulled over trying to put cream and sugar in the coffee.

[xbarretx]

I agree with the frivolous part. LJ case is stupid. But so is he. In this day and age, a professional athlete should be smarter than that, knowing people will go after him because of $. I think with the McD's case, Its clearly more difficult to judge. Obviously. One, someone got a drink in their face, the other multple surgries on their genitals.

too bad you cant buy common sense with a 8 figure check :(

[Johnny Vegas]

She wasnt driving. She was pulled over trying to put cream and sugar in the coffee.

hey the keys are in the ignition with the engine running. If you can get a DUI with your keys in the ignition, but not actually driving, I'll consider her driving, too.

[Carlota69]

hey the keys are in the ignition with the engine running. If you can get a DUI with your keys in the ignition, but not actually driving, I'll consider her driving, too.

OH K

[unlurking]

Giving someone a cup of liquid that is heated to an unreasonable temperature that is secured by a flimsy plastic lid seems pretty stupid and careless to me.

So because you're not dexterous enough to manage holding a cup of coffee, you want to blame others for giving it to you? And who makes the decision that this is an "unreasonable" temperature? You? Most of the people I know like "to-go" coffee HOTTER than from a basic coffee carafe, so that it is still warm when they get where they are going.

Are we toddlers who needs to be protected from ourselves? Do we bubble-wrap the world for people who can't be bothered to pay attention or be careful?

Seriously man, are people to have no accountability for their own actions?

As far as LJ goes, I don't really care. He's an idiot, and deserves to be slapped on the wrist. Give the girl $500 for dry cleaning and to pay for her and her boyfriend to have a night out on the town not ruined by LJ.

Then hope he plays better Sunday.

[unlurking]

hey the keys are in the ignition with the engine running. If you can get a DUI with your keys in the ignition, but not actually driving, I'll consider her driving, too.
She wasn't driving, her grandson was.

Either way though, I've done some pretty stupid stuff in my life, and really fucked myself up for it. I don't blame anyone else. What I do, or have happen to me out clumsiness or ignorance is MY fault, not anyone else's

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Hamas, i pray that given your response to this you didnt side with the idiot gal who took mcdonalds to the bank b/c she intentionally spilled coffee on her crotch?

No, she's an idiot.

Larry Johnson has lost the benefit of the doubt given that he's working on a half dozen assault charges.

At what point do people stop making excuses for this fucktard?

[unlurking]

No, she's an idiot.

Larry Johnson has lost the benefit of the doubt given that he's working on a half dozen assault charges.

At what point do people stop making excuses for this fucktard?
We don't. We just believe a little street justice would be more appropriate in this current economic climate. No reason to waste money on lawyers and courts when we can just tie LJ to the bar and let the girl spit on him right?

[googlegoogle]

should have filed criminal report but she didn't why?

it's all about the money. lawsuits are everywhere in this country.

[xbarretx]

No, she's an idiot.

Larry Johnson has lost the benefit of the doubt given that he's working on a half dozen assault charges.

At what point do people stop making excuses for this ****tard?

maybe the apt thing to do would be the have the headline for this thread flown around KC by the R0FLCOPTER ? :hmmm: i think that would go a long way towards teaching LJ a lesson that wont soon be forgotten ;)

['Hamas' Jenkins]

should have filed criminal report but she didn't why?

it's all about the money. lawsuits are everywhere in this country.

She did.

[InChiefsHeaven]

should have filed criminal report but she didn't why?

it's all about the money. lawsuits are everywhere in this country.

Actually, she doesn't get to pick about whether criminal charges are filed, that's up to the District Attorney or whatever. The only thing she can do on her own to receive compensation is to file a civil suit.

[Saulbadguy]

should have filed criminal report but she didn't why?

it's all about the money. lawsuits are everywhere in this country.

Thanks "ops".

[Demonpenz]

mcdonalds had 700 claims against them before that one lady. People are stupid in this country. They spout off about shit they don't know about. I used to freaking provide a beat down on the ignorant assholes with knowledge, but I stopped that fight along time ago. f'em