WTF is Twilight? And WTF is up with the Hype?

[teedubya]

I'm seriously missing out on some cultural phenomenon.

I've seen shit about it, but intentionally ignored it. Now, it's going crazy.

WTF is the appeal?







TAGS: Fuck hype, Twilight bigger than Harry Potter?, WTF

[eazyb81]

I think it's a combination of Harry Potter and Gossip Girl with vampires.

[Reaper16]

Yeah, it is a teen romance book that involves vampires. Unlike every good piece of vampire fiction, there isn't that element of eroticism. It is very much an "Abstinance Rules!" piece of teen romance drivel.

[Ebolapox]

from what I've gleaned, it's basically a masterbatory aide for christian menopausal womenz.

[DaFace]

I have no idea, but I'm fairly confident that I will never find out.

[Ultra Peanut]

It's written by a Mormon.

Who is a terrible writer.

My favorite part about the movie is that it's painfully obvious that both of the leads absolutely hate it and feel embarrassed to be associated with it.

[Midnight_Vulture]

ITs a fad. And it is basically just emo teenage girls that are into it (the Hot Topic crowd).

THe film will definitley make a lot of money but its nothing but a fad.

[Deberg_1990]

Why do chicks dig vampires so much?? Is there a female metaphor im missing??

[KCUnited]

Why do chicks dig vampires so much?? Is there a female metaphor im missing??

Most male vampires are ghey. NTTATWWT.

[Fish]

I like how the superhuman running scenes look like a corny 80s cartoon with the feet being a blur and no movement in the upper body....

That looks retarded enough to make me never ever watch this movie....

[Ultra Peanut]

Why do chicks dig vampires so much?? Is there a female metaphor im missing??Vampires are inherently erotic. Penetration, fluid exchange, sulking...

[Bowser]

Vampires are inherently erotic. Penetration, fluid exchange, sulking...

Sounds like a Pearl Jam VIP party.

[KcMizzou]

On first impressions... Vampire 90210

[Deberg_1990]

On first impressions... Vampire 90210

yea, i just watched the trailer. That about sums it up for me as well.

[KcMizzou]

Sounds like a Pearl Jam VIP party.LMAO

(And I like Pearl Jam, damn you)

[Ultra Peanut]

On first impressions... Vampire 9021090210's value system is better than Twilight's.

[patteeu]

I thought the movie was OK and it kept me interested for the entire 2 hours. I'm sure that's not cool, but whatever. My daughter, who has read all the books, didn't like it that much because it is the typical movie adaptation of a book that leaves out a bunch of what she thought is pretty important stuff. My other daughter, who hasn't read the book, thought it was the greatest movie ever.

[PhillyChiefFan]

On first impressions... Vampire 90210

But younger. I got dragged with my fiance to the movie...she did go see Iron Man and Dark Knight with me, so I owed her. Bout 350 13 yr old girls were in the theater.

I had no idea about this book until she started reading it. Apparently there is going to be more of them too.

The movie was boring to me, sorry for anyone who liked it. The plot was lame and completely predictable.

OH...yeah and they sparkle in the sun...that's right...sparkle.

[PhillyChiefFan]

I thought the movie was OK and it kept me interested for the entire 2 hours. I'm sure that's not cool, but whatever. My daughter, who has read all the books, didn't like it that much because it is the typical movie adaptation of a book that leaves out a bunch of what she thought is pretty important stuff. My other daughter, who hasn't read the book, thought it was the greatest movie ever.

The fight scene was cool, and when they were playing baseball and running from the other vampires was cool, I just had a hard time paying attention through the first 1 hr of it.

[patteeu]

For those bothered by the supposed abstinence message, I think you're more bothered by the politics of that idea than any actual message in the movie. The fact that a movie doesn't have teenage sex in it isn't really the same as a promotion of abstinence.

The main vampires in the movie certainly demonstrate something parallel to abstinence, but the most important character, the human girl, seems more than ready to go. Not only is she ready to give up her virginity (assuming she's a virgin to begin with), but by the end of the movie she's begging to give up her humanity. Given that this movie probably appeals more to girls than to guys, it's not really what I would have considered much of an abstinence message and it certainly isn't heavy handed if it is.

[Demonpenz]

I'm glad I saw Twilight for one reason: It made the phrase jump the shark obsolete, to be potentially replaced with The vampires are playing baseball.

[Miles]

Man this thing grossed over $70M this weekend.

[Deberg_1990]

Man this thing grossed over $70M this weekend.

Three words:

Teenaged Girls



and Demonpenz...

[patteeu]

For those bothered by the supposed abstinence message, I think you're more bothered by the politics of that idea than any actual message in the movie. The fact that a movie doesn't have teenage sex in it isn't really the same as a promotion of abstinence.

The main vampires in the movie certainly demonstrate something parallel to abstinence, but the most important character, the human girl, seems more than ready to go. Not only is she ready to give up her virginity (assuming she's a virgin to begin with), but by the end of the movie she's begging to give up her humanity. Given that this movie probably appeals more to girls than to guys, it's not really what I would have considered much of an abstinence message and it certainly isn't heavy handed if it is.

I was hoping to hear from Reaper or someone else concerned with the supposed "abstinence" message (or the Mormon influence) in this movie to explain to me how I'm wrong. Maybe they aren't reading the spoiler so it won't ruin the movie for them. :shrug:

[Ultra Peanut]

Because Edward, the greatest/creepiest guy/vampire ever, wants to hold back until they get MARRIED~!! to have sex and then when they do get married and bang she gets impregnated with his half-human half-demon offspring the very first time because duh, that's what happens whenever you have sex.

And also he's 110 years old and still hanging out with high school kids on a daily basis what the fuck is this shit.

I don't care whether the message is abstinence or that torrid sex is great. The books are fucking retarded.

[Bowser]

Because Edward, the greatest/creepiest guy/vampire ever, wants to hold back until they get MARRIED~!! to have sex and then she's super-LUCKY because she gets instantly impregnated with his half-human half-demon offspring.

And also he's 110 years old and still hanging out with high school kids on a daily basis what the **** is this shit.

I don't care whether the message is abstinence or that torrid sex is great. The books are ****ing retarded.

LMAO

Word, but be warned that girls aged 12-16 are going to rain down on you like a batallion of harpies straight out of the hellfires.

[Ultra Peanut]

He sparkles in the sun and glowers at me and stalks me! That's all you could ask for in a guy!

[patteeu]

Because Edward, the greatest/creepiest guy/vampire ever, wants to hold back until they get MARRIED~!! to have sex and then when they do get married and bang she gets impregnated with his half-human half-demon offspring the very first time because duh, that's what happens whenever you have sex.

And also he's 110 years old and still hanging out with high school kids on a daily basis what the **** is this shit.

I don't care whether the message is abstinence or that torrid sex is great. The books are ****ing retarded.

If the book were primarily aimed at boys, I could see it as an abstinence message, but it's core audience seems to be female. Personally, I think it's a dangerous message to tell young girls that the boy is going to watch out for their best interests when it comes to sex.

[Ultra Peanut]

Bella is Meyers' Mary Sue, no more and no less. Edward is seen as the perfect guy, even though he's got so many warning signs he should glow in the dark instead of sparkle in the sun. Everything about the books is dangerous.

[Sure-Oz]

I know some chicks that are friends of mine in their mid 20's wanting to see this shit, im glad the gf doesn't give a shit

[Deberg_1990]

Im starting to get a little concerned that so many grown dudes in here are breaking down Twilight......

[Baby Lee]

Im starting to get a little concerned that so many grown dudes in here are breaking down Twilight......

Somebody asked what was up with it, the traffic on here is mostly grown dudes, who would you expect to be on this thread and what would they be discussing?

[Reaper16]

I was hoping to hear from Reaper or someone else concerned with the supposed "abstinence" message (or the Mormon influence) in this movie to explain to me how I'm wrong. Maybe they aren't reading the spoiler so it won't ruin the movie for them. :shrug:
What UP said.

And also the complete lack of eroticism, which is troubling in a piece of vampire fiction. Everything about the vampire mythos is inherently erotic and even drangerously erotic: the penetration, the draining and exchanging of bodily fluids, the monstrous "Other" presenting an irresistible sexual threat to our women -- even transforming them into the threatening Other.

Twilight, well, lacks that erotic element. It is like the episode of Heroes that will air tonight where the characters lose their superpowers. Without the powers, why should the audience care? Likewise, what good is vampire fiction without the eroticism?

[Demonpenz]

damn reaper settle down. I will rent you some vampire porn

[StcChief]

looks like a maybe $1 rental

[Reaper16]

damn reaper settle down. I will rent you some vampire porn
I hope its this vampire porn: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=196682

[Ultra Peanut]

Everything about the vampire mythos is inherently erotic and even drangerously erotic: the penetration, the draining and exchanging of bodily fluids, the monstrous "Other" presenting an irresistible sexual threat to our women -- even transforming them into the threatening Other.Jesus, that's hot.

Fuck you, Stephenie Meyer, and your retardedly-spelled name.

It is like the episode of Heroes that will air tonight where the characters lose their superpowers.what

[KcMizzou]

I hope its this vampire porn: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=196682Hell yeah.

[Demonpenz]

Man I was worried that this somehow will decrease my chances having sex with girls that are in the 18-21 bracket, the I remembered if you tell chicks they can't shouldn't do something they will do it. TIME FOR AN ANTI BLOWJOB MOVIE!

[NewChief]

If the book were primarily aimed at boys, I could see it as an abstinence message, but it's core audience seems to be female. Personally, I think it's a dangerous message to tell young girls that the boy is going to watch out for their best interests when it comes to sex.

Not only that, but it encourages a fascination by girls with the dangerous/dark boys. Edward is, literally, within seconds of ripping Bella's throat out at any given moment due to some weird blood-type fatal attraction that makes her particular blood like heroin for a junkie. So, they're constantly dancing this very dangerous dance where she could die at any moment, but she just can't stay away from him because he's oh so dreamy.

On top of that, Edward is constantly in control of the relationship. He can kiss her. She, though, can't kiss him. I've read the first book (it's part of my job to read this crap, sorry), and I didn't really get much of an abstinence message from it. I did, however, get very disturbing notions about gender roles and sexual power relationships from it. On top of that, the writing is atrocious.

That being said, it turned a lot of kids on to reading.

[NewChief]

I was hoping to hear from Reaper or someone else concerned with the supposed "abstinence" message (or the Mormon influence) in this movie to explain to me how I'm wrong. Maybe they aren't reading the spoiler so it won't ruin the movie for them. :shrug:

I've read the first book. The abstinence message, imo, is from people taking the fact that Meyer is Mormon and drawing conclusions from that. It's overhyped and an attack that's really just based on assumptions about Meyer's faith, not from the reality of the text itself. I read the first book and later found out that the author was Mormon. I actually thought it was bizarre and intriguing that she was, because the book seemed so un-Mormon and erotically charged.

[NewChief]

What UP said.

And also the complete lack of eroticism, which is troubling in a piece of vampire fiction. Everything about the vampire mythos is inherently erotic and even drangerously erotic: the penetration, the draining and exchanging of bodily fluids, the monstrous "Other" presenting an irresistible sexual threat to our women -- even transforming them into the threatening Other.

Twilight, well, lacks that erotic element. It is like the episode of Heroes that will air tonight where the characters lose their superpowers. Without the powers, why should the audience care? Likewise, what good is vampire fiction without the eroticism?

You really thought the book lacked eroticism?

[88TG88]

My little sister loved that movie. She said they have a group called twihards and twerds.

[patteeu]

What UP said.

And also the complete lack of eroticism, which is troubling in a piece of vampire fiction. Everything about the vampire mythos is inherently erotic and even drangerously erotic: the penetration, the draining and exchanging of bodily fluids, the monstrous "Other" presenting an irresistible sexual threat to our women -- even transforming them into the threatening Other.

Twilight, well, lacks that erotic element. It is like the episode of Heroes that will air tonight where the characters lose their superpowers. Without the powers, why should the audience care? Likewise, what good is vampire fiction without the eroticism?

It doesn't lack eroticism, it just lacks grown-up eroticism. And it doesn't have the homo-eroticism that is common in the genre.

[patteeu]

NewPhin sounds like he's actually familiar with the story unlike some of you. I didn't read the book, but everything he said rings true based on the movie I saw.

[DaKCMan AP]

All I know is that it has something to do with vampires and that the chick is hot.

http://www.visualhollywood.com/movies/in_land_women/pics/in_land_women022.jpg

[Deberg_1990]

All I know is that it has something to do with vampires and that the chick is hot.

http://www.visualhollywood.com/movies/in_land_women/pics/in_land_women022.jpg


When she was younger, i didnt know if she was boy or girl??


Panic Room:

[Ultra Peanut]

NewPhin sounds like he's actually familiar with the story unlike some of you. I didn't read the book, butum

eat a vampire's dick

[KcMizzou]

um

eat a vampire's dickLMAO

That is a pretty amusing quote.

[Tribal Warfare]

It's like the TV version of Buffy(post Kristy Swanson) but on the big screen.

[Ultra Peanut]

It's like the TV version of Buffy(post Kristy Swanson) but on the big screen.http://i33.tinypic.com/2emie7k.gif

[Simply Red]

What UP said.

And also the complete lack of eroticism, which is troubling in a piece of vampire fiction. Everything about the vampire mythos is inherently erotic and even drangerously erotic: the penetration, the draining and exchanging of bodily fluids, the monstrous "Other" presenting an irresistible sexual threat to our women -- even transforming them into the threatening Other.

Twilight, well, lacks that erotic element. It is like the episode of Heroes that will air tonight where the characters lose their superpowers. Without the powers, why should the audience care? Likewise, what good is vampire fiction without the eroticism?

Everytime I try to read your avy, it reads; `Awesome.`

[Basileus777]

It's like the TV version of Buffy(post Kristy Swanson) but on the big screen.

You can't be ****ing serious....

[Tribal Warfare]

You can't be ****ing serious....

fanboys eeeh.......

[Reaper16]

Everytime I try to read your avy, it reads; `Awesome.`
Anyone who has listened to the album would say that it essentially does read exactly that.

[patteeu]

LMAO

That is a pretty amusing quote.

What's so amusing about it?

[Ultra Peanut]

Pat, the first book isn't the entire story. It progressively moves from banal to flippin' crazy.

"It's okay to treat someone who would do anything for you like shit because he's not as hot as Edward!"

Also, about that vampire dick?

It's written by a Mormon.

Who is a terrible writer.

On top of that, the writing is atrocious.

Because Edward, the greatest/creepiest guy/vampire ever...

And also he's 110 years old and still hanging out with high school kids on a daily basis what the fuck is this shit.
...
He sparkles in the sun and glowers at me and stalks me! That's all you could ask for in a guy!
...
Edward is seen as the perfect guy, even though he's got so many warning signs he should glow in the dark instead of sparkle in the sun. Everything about the books is dangerous.

Not only that, but it encourages a fascination by girls with the dangerous/dark boys. Edward is, literally, within seconds of ripping Bella's throat out at any given moment due to some weird blood-type fatal attraction that makes her particular blood like heroin for a junkie. So, they're constantly dancing this very dangerous dance where she could die at any moment, but she just can't stay away from him because he's oh so dreamy.

On top of that, Edward is constantly in control of the relationship. He can kiss her. She, though, can't kiss him. I've read the first book (it's part of my job to read this crap, sorry), and I didn't really get much of an abstinence message from it. I did, however, get very disturbing notions about gender roles and sexual power relationships from it.

[patteeu]

Pat, the first book isn't the entire story. It progressively moves from banal to flippin' crazy.

"It's okay to treat someone who would do anything for you like shit because he's not as hot as Edward!"

Also, about that vampire dick?

I realize that there are 4 books. I also realize that they probably won't be taught in American Literature classes anytime soon. But what I don't see is the supposed abstinence message or rightwing/mormon morality message that was attributed to it. If you think the story is banal or in some other way less impressive than, for example, Interview with the Vampire, I don't have a problem with that critique. I thought the movie was OK for what it was, a teenage version of a vampire story, but it's not great and afaic it shouldn't be mistaken for a wholesome example of conservative family values.

[eazyb81]

GF finally talked me into watching this last night, and it was much better than I anticipated.

For a girl movie, it was solid, and I will probably see the next movies in the series. Some of you were way too negative about it.

[SCChief]

GF finally talked me into watching this last night, and it was much better than I anticipated.

For a girl movie, it was solid, and I will probably see the next movies in the series. Some of you were way too negative about it.

I took the time to read one of the books in the series. Eh. It wasn't garbage, per se, but it lacked the edge that I have come to expect from the vampire mythos. My daughter brought the movie home from her mother's house, so I will likely sit down and watch it sometime in the next day or so.

If you want some insane vampire novels, replete with horror and gore both, I would strongly recommend the Necroscope series by Brian Lumley. There are 13 or 14 books in the series now, and they are absolutely mind-blowing. These vampires are not romantic... they are nasty, aggressive killing machines.

[KCrockaholic]

Its actually pretty good. Ive read the 2nd book, and watched the movie. My GF is obsessed with it. We bought the midnight release. Its better than people would expect or give it credit for.

[KCrockaholic]

GF finally talked me into watching this last night, and it was much better than I anticipated.

For a girl movie, it was solid, and I will probably see the next movies in the series. Some of you were way too negative about it.

Its good :thumb:

[Jenson71]

Haven't seen it, but it's popular among college girls. The school library had to keep ordering new copies because others would mysteriously get lost. I assume it's only girls that read it, in between their primetime tv shows and late night chick flicks.

[wild1]

Women do not seem to realize that it's not real. All they talk about is having sex with Edward or whatever his deal is or how he's soooo dreamy.

Aside from the vampire deal, it's a preprocessed teenager kind of story.

[Deberg_1990]

Women do not seem to realize that it's not real. All they talk about is having sex with Edward or whatever his deal is or how he's soooo dreamy.

Aside from the vampire deal, it's a preprocessed teenager kind of story.

Yea, i tried watching it with my wife a few weeks ago. Blah....

Its a teeny bopper love story with a sprinkle of vampire lore.

Not my thing, but it wasnt intended to be.

[morphius]

I actually read the four book series. Why? Because I have dug vampire stories ever since I found the vampire chronicles in HS, and my sister had them. Most of the books are written from a HS girls view, so most of us just are not going to get it. I found the love story sort of dull and both of them seem slow to pick up on things the reader and everyone else can tell. Luckily the other characters in the books were interesting, and actually kept me reading. I did find the love story easier to swallow than all the man love in the Chronicles though (and yes, I used swallow because that's damn funny in that sentence).

I never did get the abstinence thing others have mentioned here from the book, but I'll agree that the writing was flawed. I haven't seen the movie, but I have low expectations.

[KCChiefsMan]

I never read the book, I did rent the movie and I thought it SUCKED BAWLS.
**spoiler**
It was like, new girl from a big city in a small town first day at school, she's pale and the single vampire craves her blood and acts real weird around her, then he leaves for a while to think about it and all of the sudden they are madly in love, head over heels. He takes her up a tree and she wants to do him then there are these bad vampires who eat people and they all have a fight, then at the end she wants to be a vampire too!

[Bowser]

Give me True Blood over this dreck.

[BigMeatballDave]

Craptastically boring crap.

[mikey23545]

Because Edward, the greatest/creepiest guy/vampire ever, wants to hold back until they get MARRIED~!


Obviously a perverted and dangerous message for the youth of America.

[MOhillbilly]

its fuggin dumb. having an almost 12 year old female in the house just makes me hate it more. cause now everything is edward this and blah! must kill creator.

[Saulbadguy]

its fuggin dumb. having an almost 12 year old female in the house just makes me hate it more. cause now everything is edward this and blah! must kill creator.

ROFL

[Great Expectations]

GF finally talked me into watching this last night, and it was much better than I anticipated.

For a girl movie, it was solid, and I will probably see the next movies in the series. Some of you were way too negative about it.

You should check out Beverly Hills Chihuahua.

[blaise]

I can't believe anyone other than a 13 year old girl would read that crap or watch the movie.
Besides, vampire stories are about as fresh as three day old dog crap.
And UP- for someone that says it's crap, you seem to know a hell of a lot about it.