I don't think Crabtree would be a bad pickup.

[EyePod]

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="stathead" style="background: rgb(198, 0, 36) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><td colspan="6">Kansas City Receiving</td></tr><tr class="colhead" align="right"><td align="left"> </td><td>REC</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td><td>LG</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">D. Bowe (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10467)</td><td>7</td><td>96</td><td>13.7</td><td>0</td><td>34</td></tr><tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td align="left">T. Gonzalez (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1231)</td><td>5</td><td>73</td><td>14.6</td><td>1</td><td>24</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">J. Charles (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11307)</td><td>3</td><td>12</td><td>4.0</td><td>0</td><td>9</td></tr><tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td align="left">J. Webb (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9776)</td><td>1</td><td>8</td><td>8.0</td><td>0</td><td>8</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">J. Battle (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11197)</td><td>1</td><td>-2</td><td>-2.0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr class="bi evenrow" align="right"><td align="left">Team</td><td>17</td><td>187</td><td>11.0</td><td>1</td><td>34</td></tr></tbody></table>
We can all admit now that Mizzou fans just thought Franklin would be good. He's a toolbag. Really. Fuck him and fuck all you Mizzou homers.

We are Penn State!!! (Now there's a good football program)

[EyePod]

I wanted to mention that Crabtree/Bowe would be an AMAZING #1/#2 as a receiving pair.

[chiefs1111]

If he decides to even enter the draft........

[DeezNutz]

I wanted to mention that Crabtree/Bowe would be an AMAZING #1/#2 as a receiving pair.

Why would we need two #2's?

[Mecca]

I hope you're joking.....

[healthpellets]

why would you do that? because there aren't any other holes on the team? oh ok...

[Silock]

We have other needs, but I'd still love to see him here. As long as Herm is here, we won't be winning anything, so we might as well have a good show. I say bring on Crabtree and Bowe and Gonzo and Thiggy and the Spread. Blaze of Glory.

[Mecca]

I don't think Crabtree is the kind of freak WR worthy of a top 5 pick...

[Mr Luzcious]

I don't think Crabtree is the kind of freak WR worthy of a top 5 pick...

Which is just fine, since the Chiefs probably won't be picking in the top 5.

[Mecca]

Which is just fine, since the Chiefs probably won't be picking in the top 5.

How do you figure that.

[kstater]

Which is just fine, since the Chiefs probably won't be picking in the top 5.

Where do you see the 2 wins coming from?

[blueballs]

I was hoping this would be
some one who could bring the wood

[Mecca]

Where do you see the 2 wins coming from?

They may be able to beat Cincy but I don't see anything other than that.

[evolve27]

QB, MLB, DE, WR

[Mr Luzcious]

Bengals for sure, and I could see them beating the Chargers.

[EyePod]

I don't think Crabtree is the kind of freak WR worthy of a top 5 pick...

Did you see that catch he had against the Texans? Really? He's been doing that all season. I'm fine with taking him at 5

[Sure-Oz]

Chargers and Bengals are the 2 wins we could get, more likely cinci

[notorious]

Crabtree=Excellent WR in College

Crabree=MAYBE Average WR in NFL

Too slow for the big boys. Possession receiver IMHO.

[Brock]

Let's see what he actually runs in the 40.

[Mecca]

Michael Crabtree isn't Calvin Johnson he doesn't have the freak speed....so then you wonder if he's Larry Fitzgerald well if you compare them in college he's not close to Fitz either...

I think Crabtree is a bit of a risky pick because he has alot of issues that surround him.

[SAUTO]

what "issues" ? personal??

[Mecca]

what "issues" ? personal??

Issues like, doesn't have elite timed speed, the offense he comes from.

He's a very productive college player but his projection to the NFL is a bit cloudy.

[beavis]

If Stafford or Bradford are there and we don't take one of them, I'm officially done with this bunch forever.

[EyePod]

Crabtree=Excellent WR in College

Crabree=MAYBE Average WR in NFL

Too slow for the big boys. Possession receiver IMHO.

That's what they said about Boldin.

[SAUTO]

Issues like, doesn't have elite timed speed, the offense he comes from.

He's a very productive college player but his projection to the NFL is a bit cloudy.

what's his timed speed?

[Mecca]

That's what they said about Boldin.

Anquan Boldin just had a horrible combine that's all....he produced at FSU in a system that was alot closer to pro than Tech and for the most part he had no QB's.

In 1 game he was playing QB.

[notorious]

That's what they said about Boldin.

And they said that about hundreds of other WR's that didn't pan out.

[BigChiefFan]

Crabtree seems a bit overrated to me. I think teams will be disappointed with his production if they are expecting somebody to stretch the field. He's a possession receiver a the next level, maybe a dominant slot guy.

[Mecca]

what's his timed speed?

He will probably time somewhere in the area of 4.5, he's not going to go sub 4.4 by any means.

That's what I mean when I say well what is he, Fitzgerald didn't have elite time speed but he's so rare with everything else that was overlooked. Boldin was awful at the combine and went in the 2nd round and proved people wrong...

But for every 1 of those guys there's 10 Mike Williams and Dwayne Jarretts who couldn't separate at the next level because they lack elite speed.

[Brock]

LMAO at armchair GMs.

[SAUTO]

He will probably time somewhere in the area of 4.5, he's not going to go sub 4.4 by any means.

That's what I mean when I say well what is he, Fitzgerald didn't have elite time speed but he's so rare with everything else that was overlooked. Boldin was awful at the combine and went in the 2nd round and proved people wrong...

But for every 1 of those guys there's 10 Mike Williams and Dwayne Jarretts who couldn't separate at the next level because they lack elite speed.

what's his timed speed?

[Brock]

what's his timed speed?

Such a good question he needs to be asked twice. The answer is he doesn't know, anymore than anyone else around here does.

[EyePod]

Anquan Boldin just had a horrible combine that's all....he produced at FSU in a system that was alot closer to pro than Tech and for the most part he had no QB's.

In 1 game he was playing QB.

I don't think that Harrell is that good. I think that Crabtree makes him good. and of course he's not as good as Larry Fitz. Fitz had two of the best receiving years ever in college football.

[SAUTO]

Such a good question he needs to be asked twice. The answer is he doesn't know, anymore than anyone else around here does.

ROFL probablyROFL

[Mecca]

LMAO at armchair GMs.

Just shutdown the board then because any take is just being an armchair GM....no reason to discuss anything.

[notorious]

Don't get me wrong, Crabtree is an EXCELLENT college WR. He reminds me of another WR that had amazing #'s who was a disappointment when he got to the NFL.

An above average WR who has single coverage about every single snap is going to be successful in college, especially when he has a decent QB throwing him the ball.

If you are wondering who I am comparing him to, I will repeat it for the 10th time: Rashaun Woods.

[Mecca]

I don't think that Harrell is that good. I think that Crabtree makes him good. and of course he's not as good as Larry Fitz. Fitz had two of the best receiving years ever in college football.

I'm going to guess Harrell is better than Fitz college QB....what was that guys name.....Rod Rutledge? I don't even remember other than he was really shitty.

[Mecca]

ROFL probablyROFL

Height: 6-3 | Weight: 214 | 40-Time: 4.55

There's his NFLDC listing....

[Brock]

Height: 6-3 | Weight: 214 | 40-Time: 4.55

There's his NFLDC listing....

That looks like a projection and not any kind of factual information.

[SAUTO]

Height: 6-3 | Weight: 214 | 40-Time: 4.55

There's his NFLDC listing....

we'll see at the combine.

[Mecca]

That looks like a projection and not any kind of factual information.

Obviously it's wrong because you don't agree with it.

[DeezNutz]

Height: 6-3 | Weight: 214 | 40-Time: 4.55

There's his NFLDC listing....

Did you ever give your mock draft?

Chiefs are picking 5th. Deal with who is available. We know the situation is fluid with underclassmen declaring and what not, but what's your current mock based on who is definitely coming out?

[Mecca]

Did you ever give your mock draft?

Chiefs are picking 5th. Deal with who is available. We know the situation is fluid with underclassmen declaring and what not, but what's your current mock based on who is definitely coming out?

I'm not doing a mock draft in December..atleast not a full round mock draft, most of the league isn't even set in where they are picking.

[DeezNutz]

I'm not doing a mock draft in December..atleast not a full round mock draft, most of the league isn't even set in where they are picking.

Ok. 1st?

[SAUTO]

Height: 6-3 | Weight: 214 | 40-Time: 4.55

There's his NFLDC listing....

you put that up like it was an nfl site(no link) that is scott wright's draft countdown siteROFL scott timed crabtree himself i presume

[Brock]

Obviously it's wrong because you don't agree with it.

I don't know if it's wrong or not. Neither do you, but that doesn't stop you from touting it as fact. That's usually what gets you into trouble.

[Mecca]

you put that up like it was an nfl site(no link) that is scott wright's draft countdown siteROFL scott timed crabtree himself i presume

Go find a different listing on his time then...

If anyone can't tell from watching him that he is not a speed guy then I can't offer them any help.

Once again why the hell are we talking about another Big 12 player, for the love of Christ.

[Brock]

Yes, let's rule out an entire conference because Mecca doesn't like it.

[SAUTO]

Go find his time then......

If anyone can't tell from watching him that he is not a speed guy then I can't offer them any help.

Once again why the hell are we talking about another Big 12 player, for the love of Christ.

i cant because he hasnt run it yet

[Mecca]

Yes, let's rule out an entire conference because Mecca doesn't like it.

The Big 12 gets graded on this serious curve around here.....you'd think 90% of the 1st rounders are from that conference.

[Brock]

How dare anyone disagree with your trained eye.....

[Mecca]

Explain to me what makes Michael Crabtree worth a top 5 pick....I doubt we'd even be having this discussion if he played for say Clemson.

[Brock]

Explain to me what makes Michael Crabtree worth a top 5 pick....I doubt we'd even be having this discussion if he played for say Clemson.

At this point most every mock draft has him in the top 10. Of course with your insider knowledge that you've shared with us, he'll probably drop like a rock.

[Mecca]

He's probably a 1st round pick....it's not exactly a thrilling WR year, all the other guys are little fast returner types..

But why would a Chiefs fan want to use their first pick on him? That doesn't make much sense to me, if he was Calvin Johnson or Andre Johnson as a prospect then I'd understand.

[DeezNutz]

At this point most every mock draft has him in the top 10. Of course with your insider knowledge that you've shared with us, he'll probably drop like a rock.

Why are you attacking Mecca? Because he's not high on Crabtree? Big fucking deal. Yes, he's often critical of the local teams, but, guess what, they fucking suck, so that shouldn't come as a surprise.

[Brock]

He's probably a 1st round pick....it's not exactly a thrilling WR year, all the other guys are little fast returner types..

But why would a Chiefs fan want to use their first pick on him? That doesn't make much sense to me, if he was Calvin Johnson or Andre Johnson as a prospect then I'd understand.

We don't really know what he is. That's why most people stay away from declaratives, otherwise you end up with egg all over your face like I did with Clady.

[Brock]

Why are you attacking Mecca? Because he's not high on Crabtree? Big ****ing deal. Yes, he's often critical of the local teams, but, guess what, they ****ing suck, so that shouldn't come as a surprise.

Am I really attacking Mecca, or am I trying to get him to support his argument with some facts, instead of his "Big 12 players suck" mantra. I know he can do it, he does it with the Stafford argument all the time.

[Mecca]

He's not going to grade out as a similar prospect to either Johnson...they were both bigger and faster..Crabtree is big but he won't run a track star time like they did.

[Mecca]

Am I really attacking Mecca, or am I trying to get him to support his argument with some facts, instead of his "Big 12 players suck" mantra. I know he can do it, he does it with the Stafford argument all the time.

I don't think Big 12 players suck.....I think some of them get graded on a curve where if they played in another conference no one would even bring them up though.

[DeezNutz]

Am I really attacking Mecca, or am I trying to get him to support his argument with some facts, instead of his "Big 12 players suck" mantra.

Ehh. There's a snarky tone to your posts. "Insider knowledge" and that kind of stuff. Not a huge deal, I guess.

No real need for it, IMO. It's just some harmless Internet banter. None of us really know shit; otherwise we wouldn't be here.

[TrickyNicky]

We don't need Crabtree. We have Jeff Webb!

[Brock]

He's not going to grade out as a similar prospect to either Johnson...they were both bigger and faster..Crabtree is big but he won't run a track star time like they did.

Okay. I believe I'll wait until some real information comes in before I damn him to a USC receiver's fate.

[Mecca]

If you want a WR, start hoping Darius Heyward Bey falls to the top of the 2nd, it would be better value and fit what we'd need in a 2nd WR better.

[DeezNutz]

Fucking Ed Reed is sick.

[Brock]

Ehh. There's a snarky tone to your posts. "Insider knowledge" and that kind of stuff. Not a huge deal, I guess.

No real need for it, IMO. It's just some harmless Internet banter. None of us really know shit; otherwise we wouldn't be here.

Stop judging me!

[DeezNutz]

Stop judging me!

ROFL

[Priest31kc]

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="stathead" style="background: rgb(198, 0, 36) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><td colspan="6">Kansas City Receiving</td></tr><tr class="colhead" align="right"><td align="left"> </td><td>REC</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td><td>LG</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">D. Bowe (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10467)</td><td>7</td><td>96</td><td>13.7</td><td>0</td><td>34</td></tr><tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td align="left">T. Gonzalez (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1231)</td><td>5</td><td>73</td><td>14.6</td><td>1</td><td>24</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">J. Charles (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11307)</td><td>3</td><td>12</td><td>4.0</td><td>0</td><td>9</td></tr><tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td align="left">J. Webb (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9776)</td><td>1</td><td>8</td><td>8.0</td><td>0</td><td>8</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">J. Battle (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11197)</td><td>1</td><td>-2</td><td>-2.0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr class="bi evenrow" align="right"><td align="left">Team</td><td>17</td><td>187</td><td>11.0</td><td>1</td><td>34</td></tr></tbody></table>
We can all admit now that Mizzou fans just thought Franklin would be good. He's a toolbag. Really. **** him and **** all you Mizzou homers.

We are Penn State!!! (Now there's a good football program)

So....your giving up on a rookie WR who missed the first 4 games of the season?? Do you watch football? I don't give a shit if Will Franklin played for Kansas, I wouldnt give up on a rookie WR. And, he was a 4th rounder. I never expected him to be a starter, I think he can be an excellent slot WR. If you watch football, you know it usually takes 3 years for WRs.

[Bowser]

I'll take him ONLY if we can get either Kliff Kingsbury or Timmy Chang to come here and throw him the rock.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Crabtree would not compliment Bowe. You need a WR opposite Bowe that can stretch the field. Bowe is Michael Irvin, you need to find his Alvin Harper.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

So....your giving up on a rookie WR who missed the first 4 games of the season?? Do you watch football? I don't give a shit if Will Franklin played for Kansas, I wouldnt give up on a rookie WR. And, he was a 4th rounder. I never expected him to be a starter, I think he can be an excellent slot WR. If you watch football, you know it usually takes 3 years for WRs.

Yeah, but it only takes 2 seconds for stupid fucks to make up their minds.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

If you want a WR, start hoping Darius Heyward Bey falls to the top of the 2nd, it would be better value and fit what we'd need in a 2nd WR better.

I called dibs on him first!!

[Mr. Laz]

Crabtree would not compliment Bowe. You need a WR opposite Bowe that can stretch the field.

this


we need more speed at wide receiver

[Thig Lyfe]

I have a friend who spent Thanksgiving with Michael Crabtree. So I say SIGN 'EM CARL!

[Direckshun]

If you want a WR, start hoping Darius Heyward Bey falls to the top of the 2nd

Not a prayer.

[Thig Lyfe]

this


we need more speed at wide receiver

DANTE HALL

[ChiefsCountry]

Crabtree would not compliment Bowe. You need a WR opposite Bowe that can stretch the field. Bowe is Michael Irvin, you need to find his Alvin Harper.

Maclin

[Mr. Laz]

DANTE HALL

Dante isnt particularly fast ....... quick not fast


btw our defensive front seven sucks ass and probably needs to be our 1st round selection unless a QB we really like fails to us.

QB,DE or OL in 1st round

[Mr. Laz]

Maclin

in rd 2 ... sure

[Thig Lyfe]

in rd 2 ... sure

I wouldn't mind an elite DL in round 1 and Maclin in round 2.

Seriously, a mobile Thigpen with Tony, Bowe and Maclin as targets would make for a scary offense. A few improvements at the line (and somebody new calling the plays) would make for a top 10 O.

[notorious]

I wouldn't mind an elite DL in round 1 and Maclin in round 2.

Seriously, a mobile Thigpen with Tony, Bowe and Maclin as targets would make for a scary offense. A few improvements at the line (and somebody new calling the plays) would make for a top 10 O.

Add new coaches and maybe, just maybe we crawl into the top 15.

[Skip Towne]

Add new coaches and maybe, just maybe we slither into the top 15.

Fixed it

[notorious]

Add new coaches and maybe, just maybe we ooze into the top 15.

Better yet?