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Marco Polo
12-09-2008, 09:54 AM
Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe has heard that the Royals and Braves are in serious discussions about a trade that would swap Jeff Francoeur for Zack Greinke.


According to one source, the only thing holding back the deal is the Braves' impending deal with A.J. Burnett. Royals GM Dayton Moore worked with a young Francoeur while the two were in Atlanta. The Royals would cut payroll with the move, but the Braves would be the clear beneficiary if this rumor has substance.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/12/and_another_thi.html

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 09:55 AM
Good grief. No way. Certainly not. Please no. Please...

I can't believe Dayton would be this stupid. Report must be phony.

seclark
12-09-2008, 09:57 AM
The Royals would cut payroll with the move

just what they need to do...:rolleyes:
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DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 09:59 AM
just what they need to do...:rolleyes:
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Especially after Glass was just quoted in the paper saying it was time to up the payroll.

Such a move would be ironic, to say the least. Sadly, Royals fans would be conditioned to it, but I think this rumor is bullshit.

Frazod
12-09-2008, 10:02 AM
My wife will lose her mind if this happens. She's a huge Braves fan and Francoeur is one of her favorite players.

I guess if he gets traded I'll have to move the autographed baseball from her side of the mantle to mine. :D

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 10:06 AM
My wife will lose her mind if this happens. She's a huge Braves fan and Francoeur is one of her favorite players.

I guess if he gets traded I'll have to move the autographed baseball from her side of the mantle to mine. :D

Well, she should be happy b/c her team would get a lot better, but, sometimes, fandom isn't only about logic.

Demonpenz
12-09-2008, 10:07 AM
Glass has more money than ever. He works for walmart. If you look at walmart right now they are kicking ass because the only business that does good when the economy sucks is wal mart, because you to save money you go to walmart

Frazod
12-09-2008, 10:07 AM
BTW, Francoeur is an excellent defensive outfielder with a cannon for an arm. His hitting has gone to hell over the past couple of years, though.

Another problem is that he grew up in Atlanta and is a life-long Braves fan. If his problems at the plate are in his head, being shitcanned away from his dream to the Royals probably won't do his wounded psyche any favors.

MIAdragon
12-09-2008, 10:08 AM
That would be an awful, awful deal for Kansas City. Way to improve that OBP.

Career OBP - .312
2008 OBP - .294

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 10:08 AM
Glass has more money than ever. He works for walmart. If you look at walmart right now they are kicking ass because the only business that does good when the economy sucks is wal mart, because you to save money you go to walmart

Kind of. Walmart's stock has been pretty flat--around mid 50s from high 40s. Still, pretty decent considering the current economic climate. Glass hasn't taken a huge hit on this front.

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 10:10 AM
That would be an awful, awful deal for Kansas City. Way to improve that OBP.

Career OBP - .312
2008 OBP - .294

We're moving in the fences. 250 down the lines, 350 straight away.

MVChiefFan
12-09-2008, 10:11 AM
I say let's get this done! There's no use in wallowing in the fantasy of having a half-way decent team!

Anyong Bluth
12-09-2008, 10:11 AM
This would be some real bullshit. Does Dayton feel obligated to help his old ballclub?? This would be a horrible move!!!!!!!!!

DJ's left nut
12-09-2008, 10:14 AM
I warned y'all.

Dayton Moore is looking more and more like he isn't really very good at running a major league baseball team.

Jeff Francoeur is a guy you pick up when his previous team non-tenders him, you certainly don't trade your best pitcher for him (not when you're already overloaded in the OF).

It can't happen, it makes absolutely zero sense on any level. It makes less sense than trading an actual roster player for Mike Jacobs.

If it does, every Royals fan had better get over this Moore mancrush in a hurry.

Infidel Goat
12-09-2008, 10:15 AM
I call BS.

doomy3
12-09-2008, 10:17 AM
No way is this true

eazyb81
12-09-2008, 10:17 AM
If this really happens, I'm cashing in my chips on this franchise. It would be the worst trade in franchise history, unless there are more pieces involved. Maybe Francoeur is the only name brought up because the rest of the players are in the minors.

MVChiefFan
12-09-2008, 10:18 AM
Seriously though, I'm not above trading him. I don't like it, but I understand it. Especially if he isn't going to re-sign with us. But come on, we can get WAY more for him than this.

eazyb81
12-09-2008, 10:23 AM
Seriously though, I'm not above trading him. I don't like it, but I understand it. Especially if he isn't going to re-sign with us. But come on, we can get WAY more for him than this.

Oh, I have no problem trading him, especially if Moore thinks he won't sign an extension. It's not personal, just business.

However, if we trade him, we better get a hell of a lot more than Jeff f#cking Francoeur.

Demonpenz
12-09-2008, 10:27 AM
we could let grienke walk and get draft picks

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 10:30 AM
Oh, I have no problem trading him, especially if Moore thinks he won't sign an extension. It's not personal, just business.

However, if we trade him, we better get a hell of a lot more than Jeff f#cking Francoeur.

I would hope that a trade would happen only after multiple (very serious, legit) attempts to re-sign the kid were unsuccessful. It would need to be crystal clear that Greinke wasn't interested. And we'd need to get back a lot.

Demonpenz
12-09-2008, 10:35 AM
francour could fill in our need at first though

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 10:38 AM
francour could fill in our need at first though

No worries. We still have Gload.

Demonpenz
12-09-2008, 10:43 AM
No worries. We still have Gload.

well he did have a better obp than jacobs :doh:

MVChiefFan
12-09-2008, 10:47 AM
Maybe we're making a run at Sabathia.

KevB
12-09-2008, 10:47 AM
No way this is real, unless the Braves are throwing in 2 or 3 more players. There have been too many sources recently saying the Royals are asking a King's ransom for me to believe some random rumor from a Boston reporter quoting an unidentified source. There are a million rumors from the Winter Meetings, 98% of them false.

duncan_idaho
12-09-2008, 10:52 AM
No way this is real, unless the Braves are throwing in 2 or 3 more players. There have been too many sources recently saying the Royals are asking a King's ransom for me to believe some random rumor from a Boston reporter quoting an unidentified source. There are a million rumors from the Winter Meetings, 98% of them false.

^^^^^

This. I heard today that the Royals are asking for three major-league players and a top prospect or two for Greinke.

I could see a situation where Francouer is PART of a trade package for Greinke (I would have liked Jo-Jo Reyes, Yunel Escobar, Francouer, but obviously that deal doesn't work now). I see no situation where Greinke is traded straight-up for Francouer.

CoMoChief
12-09-2008, 11:01 AM
I dont fuck care anyways. This franchise has been horrible for so long. What else is new?

It won't effect me in the fact I don't go to Royals games unless its the STL series or it's buck night.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-09-2008, 11:06 AM
Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe has heard that the Royals and Braves are in serious discussions about a trade that would swap Jeff Francoeur for Zack Greinke.


According to one source, the only thing holding back the deal is the Braves' impending deal with A.J. Burnett. Royals GM Dayton Moore worked with a young Francoeur while the two were in Atlanta. The Royals would cut payroll with the move, but the Braves would be the clear beneficiary if this rumor has substance.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/12/and_another_thi.html

LAWL....I knew there was no way you'd get all the Braves top prospects for him.

Reaper16
12-09-2008, 11:07 AM
Don't sweat this rumor.The idea that Greinke would be traded straight-up for Francoeur is completely laughable.

EyePod
12-09-2008, 11:09 AM
I'm so excited about this (I'm a Braves fan)!

EyePod
12-09-2008, 11:09 AM
Don't sweat this rumor.The idea that Greinke would be traded straight-up for Francoeur is completely laughable.

I agree. We'll probably throw in a few pitchers.

Anyong Bluth
12-09-2008, 11:13 AM
I also think it's a BS rumor. Someone is floating it out there just to see what the response is. Maybe the Braves are doing it just to push up Fran's perceived value and Dayton doesn't care. Plus, Zach has a well documented history of personal issues. I'm glad he got help and is doing better and happier, but from both sides- would his Drs advise him to goto any club where he will face A LOT more press and fan scrutiny, and wouldn't larger market teams be a bit wary that that could cause him to take a turn for the worse and back to where he was a few years ago. I'd guess they'd still gamble on his upside.

FringeNC
12-09-2008, 11:21 AM
Dayton Moore has clearly shown that he undervalues on-base percentage to almost absurd levels, but I still can't believe he'd make this move.

Pitt Gorilla
12-09-2008, 11:34 AM
Not going to happen.

ChiefsCountry
12-09-2008, 11:45 AM
If Greinke wasnt a freaking nutjob, you could build a franchise around him.

beavis
12-09-2008, 11:53 AM
No way this is true without there being a whole lot more to the deal.

cookster50
12-09-2008, 12:08 PM
Kind of. Walmart's stock has been pretty flat--around mid 50s from high 40s. Still, pretty decent considering the current economic climate. Glass hasn't taken a huge hit on this front.

So, when most stocks are 40-50% down, a stock UP on the year is only "kind of" doing good?

cookster50
12-09-2008, 12:10 PM
Don't sweat this rumor.The idea that Greinke would be traded straight-up for Francoeur is completely laughable.

It is the Royals we are talking about....

DeezNutz
12-09-2008, 12:17 PM
So, when most stocks are 40-50% down, a stock UP on the year is only "kind of" doing good?

Yeah, that's my intent, responding to a post that said Glass had "more money than ever" and was "kicking ass."

Demonpenz
12-09-2008, 12:17 PM
maybe we can get neffi perez while we are at it

cabletech94
12-09-2008, 12:46 PM
Who the efff is Nick Cafardo????

I personally dug that one rumour about us trading Z-man for like 6 players. That would be a start. Although Greinke is the type of player that only appears once in a great while.

BWillie
12-09-2008, 01:38 PM
If Greinke wasnt a freaking nutjob, you could build a franchise around him.

He was a 21 year old kid that got thrown into the mix. Last year he was dominant and he had about 4 starts that were atrocious too. Seems to me he finally got his head on straight. The guy IS our best pitcher. I think we have him locked up for two more years..why trade him this year? I can see after next but why now? I'm already pissed about our moves in this off season. I can't wait for Coco "I have a less OBP and less hr's than Mark Teahen" Crisp to be in the lineup everyday.

Sam Hall
12-09-2008, 02:24 PM
Jeff Francoeur is hardly the haul it would take to get Greinke.

BigChiefFan
12-09-2008, 02:29 PM
The Bo Sox can take a flyin' leap. That's a crap move for the Royals.

MVChiefFan
12-09-2008, 02:32 PM
This confirms my belief that anyone with the name "Nick" cannot be trusted with sports information.

Sure-Oz
12-09-2008, 02:58 PM
No fucking way this happens....

It would have to be atleast 3 players....

Francoeur certainly could be one of them but you have to add Escobar to the mix and another pitcher.

Archie Bunker
12-09-2008, 04:02 PM
http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081209&content_id=3708380&vkey=news_kc&fext=.jsp&c_id=kc

LAS VEGAS -- Royals general manager Dayton Moore hates unfounded trade rumors and he loves to squelch them.

So, as Moore walked down a hallway of Bellagio Hotel on Tuesday en route to a GMs' meeting, he couldn't resist calling aside a reporter.

"There's nothing to the Greinke-Francoeur story," he said with a smile, then went on his way.

That popped up earlier in the day when Tony Massarotti of the Boston Globe wrote that a "National League executive" said the Royals and Atlanta had "serious discussions" about a trade that would send pitcher Zack Greinke to the Braves for outfielder Jeff Francoeur.

But Moore promptly denied the story, in line with comments he made on Monday night about his reluctance to trade Greinke or outfielders Mark Teahen and David DeJesus.

Reports about the Kansas City's purported interest in Francoeur also surfaced a few weeks ago but there has been no concrete evidence the Royals pursued such a deal.

Sure-Oz
12-09-2008, 04:05 PM
Dayton Moore isn't Allard Baird

Sfeihc
12-09-2008, 04:26 PM
"Just Say No", Dayton.

Mecca
12-09-2008, 04:35 PM
The Braves are apparently offering prospects to the White Sox for Javier Vazquez..some of them are guys that were in the earlier Grienke rumor.

The Bad Guy
12-09-2008, 04:41 PM
The Braves are apparently offering prospects to the White Sox for Javier Vazquez..some of them are guys that were in the earlier Grienke rumor.

Vazquez was traded last week to the Braves.

Mecca
12-09-2008, 04:42 PM
Vazquez was traded last week to the Braves.

Some places need to update their rumors....see what I get for talking about a sport I don't follow as closely?

CHENZ A!
12-09-2008, 06:48 PM
I love that we seem to be in the middle of alot of different rumors. I would never want us to do this particular trade, but I like that Dayton is trying to improve us by being agressive.

beavis
12-09-2008, 09:56 PM
Link (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/royals/story/929878.html)

Royals' Moore spends day debunking series of trade rumors
By BOB DUTTON
The Kansas City Star

One tantalizing rumor after another chased the Royals through the long angling corridors of the Bellagio hotel and casino Tuesday as the baseball industry worked through the second full day of its annual meetings.

The whopper concerned a whopper to send right-hander Zack Greinke and outfielder José Guillen to Atlanta for outfielder Jeff Francouer and a number of other prospects.

Then came word the Chicago Cubs were coming hard after outfielders David DeJesus and Mark Teahen to fill their need for a left-handed bat.

And, finally, speculation surfaced that outfielder Jermaine Dye could be returning to the Royals through a trade with the Chicago White Sox.

General manager Dayton Moore shot down all three rumors even as he acknowledged each bit of speculation contained sufficient truths to tantalize those who heard it into repeating it.

“It’s distracting,” he said. “I understand that, in a way, it’s important for our game. It’s people sitting around and discussing things. They’re talking baseball. But from my viewpoint, it’s distracting.”

Moore did admit the Royals are moving closer to signing a free-agent reliever -- their preference is believed to be Kyle Farnsworth -- in their quest to replenish a unit thinned by trades that sent Leo Nuñez to Florida and Ramon Ramirez to Boston.

As for everything else, Moore said, “There’s nothing to discuss about any possible trades at this point in time.” Nothing close, either, it seems.

The rumor concerning Braves started, it appears, in speculative talk among scouts from both clubs. Trades often start with such talks, and this was a natural because Moore acknowledges admiration for Francouer.

Plus, the Royals haven’t yet been able to connect with Greinke on a long-term contract and would welcome the financial flexibility of shedding Guillen’s $24 million salary over the next two years. “I can understand why people would speculate,” Moore admitted. “Jeff is coming off a bad year, and they need pitching. We’ve, obviously, brought in a lot of Atlanta people and players from Atlanta.

“If anybody was in the same situation that I was in, they would do the same thing because it’s information that you have.”

Talks stalled even before reaching either club’s upper-management level. In fact, Atlanta general manager Frank Wren said Moore has “never” inquired into Francouer’s availability.

The Royals, from all appearances, do not want to trade Greinke, who showed signs of blossoming last season when he finished 13-10 with a 3.47 ERA in 32 starts.

“We’re working toward putting the best team we can on the field for next year,” Moore said. “Being able to compete is predicated on our pitching staff, and we feel Zack Greinke is one of the best young pitchers in the game.

“One thing about Zack Greinke is when he pitches, it covers up a lot of holes on our team. So if we move him, we have to get players back who fill the holes that he covers up.”

The Royals, sources indicate, are unlikely to send Greinke to Atlanta in a swap for Francouer unless the Braves accept Guillen and his entire salary while also surrendering shortstop Yunel Escobar and one, and possibly two, other top prospects.

The Braves might be willing to accept Guillen and his salary, as a bat to replace Francouer, but seem likely to balk at dealing away anything more than Francouer and a mid-level prospect.

So much for any deal.

Moore indicated the Royals have a similarly high price for DeJesus and have no interest in trading Teahen -- even though Teahen lost his spot in the outfield recently when the club acquired Coco Crisp from Boston for Ramirez.

“We like our outfield,” Moore said. “We like the depth of our outfield. We like the production of our outfield as is.”

The Dye rumor, in that light, made little sense unless accompanied by other moves.

Sure-Oz
12-10-2008, 09:52 AM
There are rumors that if AJ Burnett is signed with the Yanks the Braves will go after Grienke hard. Likely scenario is getting Escobar, Francouer and a pitcher back and trade Greinke and Guillen to them. I'd think we'd get another player or 2 back if that happend.

AJKCFAN
12-10-2008, 11:19 AM
If that is so, why is Furcal's agent saying the Royals are one of the four finalists for Furcal?

http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/930045.html

AJKCFAN
12-10-2008, 11:30 AM
From Peter Gammons:

Royals among teams in mix for Furcal

Tuesday, December 9, 2008 | Print Entry


Posted by Peter Gammons

A deal for free agent Rafael Furcal has an outside shot at being completed before the general managers start fleeing Las Vegas on Thursday morning.

Kansas City is working to come up with the money, and the A's are back in, as are the Dodgers and Toronto. The Royals also have been talking to Orlando Cabrera. The most likely Furcal timeline is Friday to Monday, but then, as one GM said Tuesday night, "If we weren't here, a lot more could get done."

Sure-Oz
12-10-2008, 11:37 AM
I heard it's likely the A's and Royals, Dodgers have a 2 year offer up...Toronto i heard is pretty much out of it. We are also rumored at looking at Orlando Hudson too

eazyb81
12-10-2008, 12:05 PM
We should start a new thread for the Furcal rumor, that one actually has legs.

Furcal would be a great signing, IMO.