How we can get the #2 Pick

[cdcox]

First way
We lose to Cincinnati and St. Louis beats Atlanta
No tiebreakers involved

Second way
We lose to Cincinnati and St. Louis loses to Atlanta and
we get at least 5 of the SOS games below to go our way

Thrid way
We lose to Cincinnati and St. Louis loses to Atlanta and
we get 4 of the SOS games below to go our way and
we win a coin toss

Fourth way
We beat Cincinnati and St. Louis beats Atlanta and
we get at least 4 of the SOS games below to go our way

Fifth way
We beat Cincinnati and St. Louis beats Atlanta and
we get 3 of the SOS games below to go our way and
we win a coin toss

Games that affect net SOS between KC and St. Louis, and who we want to win

Chicago over Green Bay (Monday night)
Giants over Minnesota
Tampa over Oakland
Indy over Tennessee
SF over Washington
Chicago over Houston


No other games matter. Does not consider the possibility of tie games, which are relatively rare.

Why this matters: on the draft value chart, the difference between a #2 and a #3 overall pick is 400 points, which is equivalent to a mid-2nd round pick.

[Extra Point]

How did our first pick do today?

[Mecca]

Hrm when I look at those games we actually have a chance.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

It's the 2006 playoff scenario in reverse ROFL

[eazyb81]

I'm scared we f#ck it all up and beat the Bungles next week.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

These three seem like a pretty good bet:

Chicago over Green Bay (Monday night)
Giants over Minnesota
Tampa over Oakland

These are "who knows?"

Indy over Tennessee
SF over Washington
Chicago over Houston

But, barring a Thigpen meltdown, I see us beating the Bengals anyway. :(

[cdcox]

It's the 2006 playoff scenario in reverse ROFL

A lot better odds than that, but yes, the situation is similar otherwise.

[Hammock Parties]

Chicago over Green Bay (Monday night) - Very possible
Giants over Minnesota - Very possible
Tampa over Oakland - A lock
Indy over Tennessee - Possible
SF over Washington - Fucked
Chicago over Houston - Very possible.

I think the real problem is losing to the Bengals. IMO our offense gives us a pretty big advantage.

[Hootie]

we're drafting 3rd because we're going to beat the Bengals...even our shitty defense can handle Ryan Fitzpatrick and Cedric Benson.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Chicago over Green Bay (Monday night) - Very possible
Giants over Minnesota - Very possible
Tampa over Oakland - A lock
Indy over Tennessee - Possible
SF over Washington - Fucked
Chicago over Houston - Very possible.

I think the real problem is losing to the Bengals. IMO our offense gives us a pretty big advantage.

What people don't realize is that the Bengals have a pretty good defense. It's significantly better than past years. It's weird though, because there is so much cocksuckery in that locker room that who knows if they'll compete next year or go 4-12.

[Hammock Parties]

My god, their offense makes the 2007 Chiefs look like a juggernaut. 239 YPG?

[aturnis]

Chicago over Green Bay (Monday night) Decent chance
Giants over Minnesota Good chance
Tampa over Oakland Probable
Indy over Tennessee Pretty iffy, probably not
SF over Washington Washington has been playing down to it's competition, but not too confident w/ this one
Chicago over Houston Probable

[Ebolapox]

oh please, oh please, oh please.......................

[Reerun_KC]

I'm scared we f#ck it all up and beat the Bungles next week.
That is giving Herm alot of credit...

[Hammock Parties]

That is giving Herm alot of credit...

Not really. The Bengals are probably shittier than the Raiders.

The way that locker room is they'll quit in the first quarter. Herm will have our guys eating bullshit out of his hand and fired up.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Not really. The Bengals are probably shittier than the Raiders.

The way that locker room is they'll quit in the first quarter. Herm will have our guys eating bullshit out of his hand and fired up.

The Bengals have played hard the last 6 weeks. They are a .500 team basically since November.

[KChiefs1]

Games that affect net SOS between KC and St. Louis, and who we want to win

Chicago over Green Bay (Monday night) - good chance
Giants over Minnesota - Giants have nothing to play for
Tampa over Oakland - excellent chance
Indy over Tennessee - Tenn has nothing to play for....excellent chance
SF over Washington - 50/50
Chicago over Houston - 50/50

[RedThat]

What people don't realize is that the Bengals have a pretty good defense. It's significantly better than past years. It's weird though, because there is so much one who sucks the penisy in that locker room that who knows if they'll compete next year or go 4-12.

Cincinatti is ranked 21st in the league in total defense. you think thats pretty good?

[Toad]

Thanks CD!...ppreciate ya!

4 of those must win teams are at home. The 2 road teams are Giants and Bears.

[tk13]

The Giants win may hurt us in that now Atlanta has something to play for next week. Otherwise they might have packed it in to prepare for the playoffs. But now they have an outside shot at a bye, if I'm not mistaken.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Cincinatti is ranked 21st in the league in total defense. you think thats pretty good?

Dude, I'm telling you, that defense is quite a bit better than it has been. It's not the Steelers or Titans D, but it is passably ok, which is a long way up from fucking horrific, which it has been the last 5 years or so.

[Hammock Parties]

The Bengals have played hard the last 6 weeks. They are a .500 team basically since November.

Seriously?

Well shit, maybe we CAN lose. :D

[Reerun_KC]

Cincinatti is ranked 21st in the league in total defense. you think thats pretty good?

Well its 11 positions higher than ours...

Its going to be like a retard fight... Probably the worst game of the season for the NFL...

[cdcox]

The Giants win may hurt us in that now Atlanta has something to play for next week. Otherwise they might have packed it in to prepare for the playoffs. But now they have an outside shot at a bye, if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah, if Atlanta beats St. Louis and NO beats Carolina, then Atlanta gets the 2 seed. Who would've thunk it?

[cdcox]

Bump for the day crew.

[banyon]

The Giants win may hurt us in that now Atlanta has something to play for next week. Otherwise they might have packed it in to prepare for the playoffs. But now they have an outside shot at a bye, if I'm not mistaken.

Hard to believe the Falcons are the team that picked two spots ahead of us in last year's draft.

[blueballs]

You don't even know who's going to be available yet
Cart-----------------------------------------horse

[the Talking Can]

make it happen

[OnTheWarpath15]

Looks like we're picking 3rd...

[RINGLEADER]

One more reason why this place is the best.

Thanks for the concise explanation!

[Alphaman]

Hard to believe the Falcons are the team that picked two spots ahead of us in last year's draft.

Equally hard to believe that fans forget that the Falcons drafted 15 spots ahead of us in the 2007 draft. Similarly, the Dolphins drafted 14 spots ahead of us in 2007 and 4 spots ahead in 2008. Some fans seem to believe the Falcons and Dolphins turned things around overnight when the reality is that they both had consecutive years of drafting in the top 10 before fielding a playoff quality team. They both added some key veteran free agents the 2nd season of that top 10 draft picking to rebuild their roster.

Realistically, that's where the Chiefs are. We've had 1 draft in the top 5 and another one coming. If we can add some key vets we should be able to duplicate the Falcons and Dolphins success next year, especially when you consider the mediocre at best AFC West.

[Hoover]

We will not beat the Bengals next week. Benson will run all over our ass. Have Faith people. in Herm we trust!

[MikeMaslowski]

You don't even know who's going to be available yet
Cart-----------------------------------------horse-

[DeezNutz]

Bump for the Bears win.

[bowener]

Bump for the Bears win.
Fuck Da Bears!

[StcChief]

and how are the pack it in Lambs beating Atlanta? even if they play 2nd string?

[RUSH]

If we weren't playing the Bengals then we would have a great shot at making this go to a coin flip. I see at least 3 of those games going in our favor.

[007]

If we weren't playing the Bengals then we would have a great shot at making this go to a coin flip. I see at least 3 of those games going in our favor.I can see 4 of them going but not 5. One is out of the way at least.

[007]

This is really funny when you think about it. It's like the playoff race in 2006 in reverse.

[Sam Hall]

I like the Bengals' chances of winning a high-scoring game.

[teedubya]

We will be up at half by 3 scores, and lose by a field goal to Cincinnati. Mark it down.

[teedubya]

This is really funny when you think about it. It's like the playoff race in 2006 in reverse.

This was funnier and reppable when Hamas said it.

[007]

This was funnier and reppable when Hamas said it.:shake:

sorry to disappoint.

NOT REALLY.

[BigRedChief]

Just need 4 out of 5 to go our way now. <!--IBF.ATTACHMENT_107601-->

[cdcox]

Bump for today's games. This could be fun.

[Bowser]

We have our priorities muddled up here. We should be rooting for a playoff scenario, not a high draft pick scenario.

Oh well. I'll take what I can get. :)

[the Talking Can]

we can do it!!!!!!!!!!

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Indy up 7-0

Rams 0-3

[Frankie]

The way I see it I'll be rooting for :

NY Giants
Seattle Seahawk
Whashington Redskins
SF 49ers

All were on the Rams schedule.

Here's the teams I want to lose:

New England Patriots
Oakland Rai-ders
Denver Broncos
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers

All on the Chiefs schedule.

The more of this happens the weaker our schedule would be and the stronger the Rams on. Of course we both need to either lose or win.

[milkman]

So other than the Chiefs and Rams, we still might need at least two other games go our way today, right?

[cdcox]

The way I see it I'll be rooting for :

NY Giants
Seattle Seahawk
Whashington Redskins
SF 49ers

All were on the Rams schedule.

Here's the teams I want to lose:

New England Patriots
Oakland Rai-ders
Denver Broncos
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers

All on the Chiefs schedule.

The more of this happens the weaker our schedule would be and the stronger the Rams on. Of course we both need to either lose or win.

Frankie: From the OP. This is correct. A lot of the games you mention don't matter because both us and St. Louis played the same team or two teams that are on the Chiefs or Rams schedule are playing each other.



Games that affect net SOS between KC and St. Louis, and who we want to win

Chicago over Green Bay (Monday night)
Giants over Minnesota
Tampa over Oakland
Indy over Tennessee
SF over Washington
Chicago over Houston

[cdcox]

So other than the Chiefs and Rams, we still might need at least two other games go our way today, right?

The number of games that we need to go our way depends on the out come of the Chiefs and Rams games today and whether you want to risk a coin flip. See the OP.

[milkman]

Frankie: From the OP. This is correct. A lot of the games you mention don't matter because both us and St. Louis played the same team or two teams that are on the Chiefs or Rams schedule are playing each other.



Games that affect net SOS between KC and St. Louis, and who we want to win

Chicago over Green Bay (Monday night)
Giants over Minnesota
Tampa over Oakland
Indy over Tennessee
SF over Washington
Chicago over Houston

We already got the Bears and Giants wins.

Do we have to hope for every other game to play in our favor, or is it just a couple of them?

[milkman]

The number of games that we need to go our way depends on the out come of the Chiefs and Rams games today and whether you want to risk a coin flip. See the OP.

My question is based on the proposition that both the Chiefs and Rams lose today.

[bowener]

Rams winning, 7-3.

Man, CoMo cable gives me complete coverage of ineptitude within a 2 channel span (11 and 12), all I need now is the Lions on channel 13 or something, then I can see all the glory of the chiefs, rams, and lions.


edit:

If we draft #2, jesus and the devil better enter the draft. If the lions dont take jesus, we take offers, but then pass on him to draft the devil. The Devil has a mean streak and a relentless motor that you really can't find in most kids his age.

[cdcox]

We already got the Bears and Giants wins.

Do we have to hope for every other game to play in our favor, or is it just a couple of them?

Giants and Vikes are playing right now. 0-0 with 3:02 left in the first quarter.

Ideally we would get 4 out of the 5 remaining games to go our way.

[Frankie]

Frankie: From the OP. This is correct. A lot of the games you mention don't matter because both us and St. Louis played the same team or two teams that are on the Chiefs or Rams schedule are playing each other.

I took a quick look at both schedules and thought I isolated uncommon games. I did a fast job of it though so I could have made a mistake.

[KChiefs1]

Chiefs are losing
Rams are winning

It's looking good for the 2nd pick.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Chiefs are losing
Rams are winning

It's looking good for the 2nd pick.

Unless St. Louis is up by 40 with under 5 minutes to play, I have no faith. Look what happened last week.

[KChiefs1]

Halftime Updates:
Chiefs & Rams both losing....

Games that affect net SOS between KC and St. Louis, and who we want to win

Chicago over Green Bay (Monday night) - check
Giants over Minnesota - Minnesota winning 10-6
Tampa over Oakland - Oakland winning 14-7
Indy over Tennessee - Indy winning 16-0
Chicago over Houston - Houston winning 14-10
SF over Washington - later

[Mizzou_8541]

Halftime Updates:
Chiefs & Rams both losing....

Games that affect net SOS between KC and St. Louis, and who we want to win

Chicago over Green Bay (Monday night) - check
Giants over Minnesota - Minnesota winning 10-6
Tampa over Oakland - Oakland winning 14-7
Indy over Tennessee - Indy winning 16-0
Chicago over Houston - Houston winning 14-10
SF over Washington - later

NM

[ArrowheadHawk]

Halftime Updates:
Chiefs & Rams both losing....

Games that affect net SOS between KC and St. Louis, and who we want to win

Chicago over Green Bay (Monday night) - check
Giants over Minnesota - Minnesota winning 10-6
Tampa over Oakland - Oakland winning 14-7
Indy over Tennessee - Indy winning 16-0
Chicago over Houston - Houston winning 14-10
SF over Washington - later

Not looking good.

[whoman69]

we're drafting 3rd because we're going to beat the Bengals...even our shitty defense can handle Ryan Fitzpatrick and Cedric Benson.

uhm, yah sure.

[KChiefs1]

4th Quarter Updates:
Chiefs & Rams still both losing....

Games that affect net SOS between KC and St. Louis, and who we want to win

Chicago over Green Bay (Monday night) - check
Giants over Minnesota - Giants winning 16-10
Tampa over Oakland - Tampa winning 24-14
Indy over Tennessee - Indy winning 23-0
Chicago over Houston - Houston winning 24-17
SF over Washington - later

[blueballs]

will the Rams and Chiefs
be looking at the same player

[Tribal Warfare]

Rams/Atlanta are tied 24 all

[Direckshun]

We don't want the #2 pick.

You know what the difference is between the #2 and the #3 pick, besides a mid-2nd?

About $7 million in guarantees.

St. Louis wants OL, we don't. It would be better for us if we got the #3.

[the Talking Can]

another great throw

[the Talking Can]

good throw

[Tribal Warfare]

We don't want the #2 pick.

You know what the difference is between the #2 and the #3 pick, besides a mid-2nd?

About $7 million in guarantees.

St. Louis wants OL, we don't. It would be better for us if we got the #3.

Rams could be looking to replace Bulger too, even if he does have a big contract they just might eat it to select Stafford.

[the Talking Can]

nice pass

finally a deep ball

[the Talking Can]

ROFL

i've been posting on the wrong thread for 10 min.

[Direckshun]

Rams could be looking to replace Bulger too, even if he does have a big contract they just might eat it to select Stafford.

I doubt it. They paid Bulger, big time.

Bulger gets injured all the time because he has no protection, and Pace is on his last legs.

Their pick, without a doubt, will be OL.

[milkman]

ROFL

i've been posting on the wrong thread for 10 min.

LMAO

[KChiefs1]

4th Quarter Updates:
Chiefs losing 16-6
Rams losing 31-27

Games that affect net SOS between KC and St. Louis, and who we want to win

Chicago over Green Bay (Monday night) - check
Giants over Minnesota - Giants winning 19-17
Tampa over Oakland - Oakland winning 28-24
Indy over Tennessee - check
Chicago over Houston - Houston winning 31-17
SF over Washington - later

[jAZ]

Rams/Atlanta are tied 24 all

27-24 Rams...

[blueballs]

fucking Oakland

[Shag]

Falcons just scored, 31-27 Atlanta. Minnesota is also driving on the Giants, down 19-17. Not looking good...

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Minnesota will have a FG attempt for the win....fuck. Giants and Bucs blowing ass...

cmon rams

[Hammock Parties]

RAMS DRIVING!

COME ON BISCUIT!

[cdcox]

StL 27 ATL 31 3:41 (bad)
Bears 17 Texans 31 (baaaad)
Vikes 17 NYG 19 with :09 seconds left. In FG range?

[Hammock Parties]

Our #2 hopes are on the Rams.

GO RAMS!!!!

[Shag]

MN kicking a 51 yarder for the win right now...

[cdcox]

Raiders about to take a 7 point lead with 1:13 left

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

TB holds to a FG....still in it

[cdcox]

Raiders about to take a 7 point lead with 1:13 left

It's good. Raiders up by 7

[Mecca]

The Vikings won.

[cdcox]

Giants lose.

[Shag]

Vikes FG good. MN wins 20-19...

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

fuckin carney

[Shag]

Rams just turned the ball over on downs. :(

[cdcox]

We're picking 3rd.

[MIAdragon]

fuck

[the Talking Can]

GOD DAMMIT WE CAN'T EVER CATCH A FUCKING BREAK

[Mecca]

Only the Chiefs could go 2-14 and not have the 1st or 2nd pick.

[ArrowheadHawk]

We just saved 7 Million. Yeah.

[David.]

sick, we can never catch a break.

[Shag]

Only the Chiefs could go 2-14 and not have the 1st or 2nd pick.

I wonder if that's ever happened before...

[BigMeatballDave]

FUCKING RAMS CAN GO FUCK THEMSELVES

[Mecca]

I wonder if that's ever happened before...

Yea about like the Pats winning 11 and likely not making the playoffs.

[Micjones]

The Chiefs will be fine at #3.

Can't get Stafford? Hello Andre Smith.

[the Talking Can]

Only the Chiefs could go 2-14 and not have the 1st or 2nd pick.

two fucking years of complete failure and we can't even get a shot at a QB


Steelers go 6-10 and get Rothlesburger


fuck us

[Hammock Parties]

Draft a RT who'll hold down that side of the line for 10 years.


Shut your filthy fucking mouth.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

it's over...3rd...fuck i thought the chiefs would get it...fuck you TB and NYG

[cdcox]

Well if Tampa manages to win (down by 7), then SF wins, and we win a coin flip, we could still get the 2nd pick...

[Mecca]

The Chiefs will be fine at #3.

Can't get Stafford? Hello Andre Smith.

If they draft a RT with the 3rd pick I will personally come to your house and bitch slap you.

[Shag]

Well if Tampa manages to win (down by 7), then SF wins, and we win a coin flip, we could still get the 2nd pick...

Tampa just lost...

[cdcox]

Well Tampa loses. It's official. 3rd.

[the Talking Can]

Well if Tampa manages to win (down by 7), then SF wins, and we win a coin flip, we could still get the 2nd pick...

tampa lost

[kstater]

The Chiefs will be fine at #3.

Can't get Stafford? Hello Andre Smith.

The Chiefs have some of the dumbest fucking fans in the world.

[blueballs]

over

[007]

never mind

[BigMeatballDave]

I still think we have a shot at Stafford if he enters. I think Detroit picks a LT, and the Rams have too much money wrapped up in Bulger to draft a QB in the 1st.

[Skip Towne]

There will still be good players around when we draft 3rd. :p

[blueballs]

The Chiefs have some of the dumbest ****ing fans in the world.

stupid ****ing
is underrated

[Tribal Warfare]

he Chiefs will be fine at #3.

Can't get Stafford? Draft a RT who'll hold down that side of the line for 10 years.


:spock:

[jaa1025]

Chicago over Green Bay (Monday night) - check
Giants over Minnesota - Minnesota won
Tampa over Oakland - Oakland wON
Indy over Tennessee - Indy Won
Chicago over Houston - Houston Won
SF over Washington - later

lookin like #3

[dirk digler]

I still think we have a shot at Stafford if he enters. I think Detroit picks a LT, and the Rams have too much money wrapped up in Bulger to draft a QB in the 1st.

That is what I am thinking or at least that is what I am hoping.

The draft is 4 months away alot can change

[BigMeatballDave]

The Chiefs will be fine at #3.

Can't get Stafford? Hello Andre Smith.Seriously? Waste a 1st round on a RT?

[RedThat]

lighten up people...its not like picking #3 overall will kill you?!

WTF? Im convinced there is a lot of pessimistc loser ass whining crybaby bitches on this site.

[Mecca]

The Chiefs must have done something to really piss off the football gods one day.

[Micjones]

Shut your filthy ****ing mouth.

Right away sir!

Cock-meat sandwich?

[BigMeatballDave]

If they draft a RT with the 3rd pick I will personally come to your house and bitch slap you.LMAO

[luv]

The Chiefs have some of the dumbest fucking fans in the world.

You're a Chiefs fan, no?

[Mecca]

lighten up people...its not like picking #3 overall will kill you?!

WTF? Im convinced there is a lot of pessimistc loser ass whining crybaby bitches on this site.

Usually going 2-14 will get you the 1st pick...this year it's 3rd, it sucks.

[unothadeal]

Whoever we draft 3rd they should be out of UCLA in honor of everything Carl's done over his time here.

[Braincase]

Our pass rush is a more important need than QB. Draft Brian Orakpo from Texas.

[Mecca]

Our pass rush is a more important need than QB. Draft Brian Orakpo from Texas.

How many times did Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith get beat by John Elway, enough said.

[RedThat]

Usually going 2-14 will get you the 1st pick...this year it's 3rd, it sucks.

How does it ****ing suck?

Id like to hear your opinion. Im sick of all this negative bullsh*t.

[cdcox]

lighten up people...its not like picking #3 overall will kill you?!

WTF? Im convinced there is a lot of pessimistc loser ass whining crybaby bitches on this site.

The difference between the #2 pick and the #3 is like a mid-2nd round pick on the draft value chart.

[Mecca]

How does it ****ing suck?

Id like to hear your opinion. Im sick of all this negative bullsh*t.

Because 2 teams are picking ahead of us now?

[kstater]

You're a Chiefs fan, no?

I said some. I don't count.

[Delano]

I still think we have a shot at Stafford if he enters. I think Detroit picks a LT, and the Rams have too much money wrapped up in Bulger to draft a QB in the 1st.

I hope they like Crabtree.

They have D-line locked up.

Maybe a CB or they take a LTotF.

[Braincase]

Whoever we draft 3rd they should be out of UCLA in honor of everything Carl's done over his time here.

Right after you do a high dive into a barrel of used needles.

[DenverChief]

Get a grip people if you think we are drafting anything other than Defense with our first pick you are smoking crack

9 sacks?
424 points given up?
400 ypg given up?
31st ranked defense?

a young QB will not fix these problems

[kstater]

Holy shit, a DenverChief sighting.

[Mecca]

Get a grip people if you think we are drafting anything other than Defense with our first pick you are smoking crack

9 sacks?
424 points given up?
400 ypg given up?
31st ranked defense?

a young QB will not fix these problems

Some people will never really "get it" note this post I'm quoting.

[Tribal Warfare]

Our pass rush is a more important need than QB. Draft Brian Orakpo from Texas.




BPA, if it's Stafford you select him

[KChiefs1]

My Nightmare Scenario:

1. Detroit - Sam Bradford
2. St Louis trades down getting an additional 1st round pick in 2009 & 2nd round pick in 2009 addition to a 1st pick in 2010. Selection is Matt Stafford.
3. KC - Michael Crabtree

:evil:

[suds79]

Get a grip people if you think we are drafting anything other than Defense with our first pick you are smoking crack

9 sacks?
424 points given up?
400 ypg given up?
31st ranked defense?

a young QB will not fix these problems

Franchise QBs eventually solve all problems... Got to have them to win SBs.

[Delano]

Get a grip people if you think we are drafting anything other than Defense with our first pick you are smoking crack

9 sacks?
424 points given up?
400 ypg given up?
31st ranked defense?

a young QB will not fix these problems

Look for a DE signing in free agency.

[Braincase]

How many times did Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith get beat by John Elway, enough said.

Who sacked John Elway more than any other player?

Answer: Derrick Thomas.

Keep your pie hole shut when you don't know what the f*** you're talking about. The more pressure you put on the QB, the better every other part of the defense performs.

[RedThat]

Because 2 teams are picking ahead of us now?

Yeah so? what the **** does that have anything to do with it?

Do people ever think that you can get a good player regardless of where you draft? No Insread it is this usual crap you see from time to time here..lets put this "negative spin on things"...it sucks because were not picking #2 crap!! :rolleyes:

[Mecca]

My Nightmare Scenario:

1. Detroit - Sam Bradford
2. St Louis trades down getting an additional 1st round pick in 2009 & 2nd round pick in 2009 addition to a 1st pick in 2010. Selection is Matt Stafford.
3. KC - Michael Crabtree

:evil:

Crabtree is not freakish enough to warrant that pick.

[Mecca]

Who sacked John Elway more than any other player?

Answer: Derrick Thomas.

Keep your pie hole shut when you don't know what the f*** you're talking about. The more pressure you put on the QB, the better every other part of the defense performs.

Yea Derrick Thomas sure won alot of things...the Chiefs routinely got beat by teams with great QB, desire to build back into that, that's just what I want.

[DenverChief]

How many times did Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith get beat by John Elway, enough said.

yeah cause losing 54-31 against a shitty Bills team sounds a lot like a QB problem

[GoTrav]

Get a grip people if you think we are drafting anything other than Defense with our first pick you are smoking crack

9 sacks?
424 points given up?
400 ypg given up?
31st ranked defense?

a young QB will not fix these problems

hopefully a whole roster of new coaches will...

[Braincase]

Yea Derrick Thomas sure won alot of things...the Chiefs routinely got beat by teams with great QB, desire to build back into that, that's just what I want.

They also routinely went to the playoffs.

[Mecca]

yeah cause losing 54-31 against a shitty Bills team sounds a lot like a QB problem

They scored 6 points today, 6! Yea use the blowout example when the Bills lightened up and let the Chiefs score at the end....this teams offense is a problem aswell as it's defense.

You'd think todays game and well the 2nd half of every game this season would show people that, guess I overestimated peoples brains.

[DenverChief]

Look for a DE signing in free agency.

no thanks...

[Mecca]

They also routinely went to the playoffs.

I don't think it's about just going to the playoffs....if you lose every time then who cares?

[DenverChief]

You'd think todays game and well the 2nd half of every game this season would show people that, guess I overestimated peoples brains.

I think that has more to do with coaching/playcalling than offensive player talent

[BigMeatballDave]

They also routinely went to the playoffs.Didn't net any SB appearances. You think a franchise QB was our missing element, perhaps?

[DenverChief]

Franchise QBs eventually solve all problems... Got to have them to win SBs.

Offense sells tickets defense wins championships

[Braincase]

They scored 6 points today, 6! Yea use the blowout example when the Bills lightened up and let the Chiefs score at the end....this teams offense is a problem aswell as it's defense.

You'd think todays game and well the 2nd half of every game this season would show people that, guess I overestimated peoples brains.

Great. Let's draft O-line again. Believe it or not, Thigpen wasn't the biggest part of the problem. It was suckass blocking from the right side of the O-line. If you don't fix the right side of the line, then drafting a QB is STOOOOOOOPID, cuz the guys gonna get killed.

[Mecca]

I think that has more to do with coaching/playcalling than offensive player talent

This team has horrendous talent stop trying to fool yourself, the Chiefs may very well be the least talented team in football.

[DenverChief]

Holy shit, a DenverChief sighting.

:) yeah been busy...how ya been kstater?

[milkman]

Who sacked John Elway more than any other player?

Answer: Derrick Thomas.

Keep your pie hole shut when you don't know what the f*** you're talking about. The more pressure you put on the QB, the better every other part of the defense performs.

How many SBs did Elway lead the Donkeys to?
How many did DT lead the Chiefs to?

And who had the better surrounding cast for most of that time?

[Tribal Warfare]

Didn't net any SB appearances. You think a franchise QB was our missing element, perhaps?

Clark wants a franchise QB, and I really do believe he's targeting Stafford and he may tradeup to get him.

[Mecca]

Great. Let's draft O-line again. Believe it or not, Thigpen wasn't the biggest part of the problem. It was suckass blocking from the right side of the O-line. If you don't fix the right side of the line, then drafting a QB is STOOOOOOOPID, cuz the guys gonna get killed.

You draft those lineman in the mid rounds.....cmon stop trying to make retarded points.

[BigMeatballDave]

Get a grip people if you think we are drafting anything other than Defense with our first pick you are smoking crack

9 sacks?
424 points given up?
400 ypg given up?
31st ranked defense?

a young QB will not fix these problemsYou do not pass up on a possible franchise QB.

[luv]

You draft those lineman in the mid rounds.....cmon stop trying to make retarded points.

Where the hell is Bugeater when you talk to people like this? He defends you to no end in how you treat people.

[Mecca]

Where the hell is Bugeater when you talk to people like this? He defends you to no end in how you treat people.

I called his point retarded not him.....and going to a RT or RG to try to offset the QB in the top 5 argument is retarded.

[DenverChief]

This team has horrendous talent stop trying to fool yourself, the Chiefs may very well be the least talented team in football.

well that is your opinion OTOH I believe that the offense with a full off season and TC with a few additions to the OL and WR corp and a new HC willing to let the OC make better play selections would be a perfectly serviceable offense...the Defense however needs a DE, 2 LB's and another DT...more holes to fill...I'm not saying don't draft a QB but not with the #3 overall

[the Talking Can]

Who sacked John Elway more than any other player?

Answer: Derrick Thomas.

Keep your pie hole shut when you don't know what the f*** you're talking about. The more pressure you put on the QB, the better every other part of the defense performs.

you are painfully fucking stupid

Elway is more important than DT

QBs are more important the DEs

jesus christ kc fans are fucking insanely stupid

we need a QB...that is the first and only priority, and picking 3rd instead of 2nd may very well cost us a franchise QB

[BigMeatballDave]

no thanks...You don't like Terrell Suggs?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

You do not pass up on a possible franchise QB.

Agree. Even though Thigpen has shown promise as 1st year starter, if you have a QB sitting there with a high draft grade you take him without a 2nd thought. I wouldn't mind going into next season with Tyler as the QB if there is noone worthy of picking, but I don't think you can pass on Stafford if you are the Chiefs.

[Braincase]

You draft those lineman in the mid rounds.....cmon stop trying to make retarded points.

Which round are you going after the defensive ends and linebackers?

[Mecca]

well that is your opinion OTOH I believe that the offense with a full off season and TC with a few additions to the OL and WR corp and a new HC willing to let the OC make better play selections would be a perfectly serviceable offense...the Defense however needs a DE, 2 LB's and another DT...moer holes to fill...I'm not saying don't draft a QB but not with the #3 overall

The thought of a new HC and OC running the spread for Tyler Thigpen is laughable...

[BigMeatballDave]

Offense sells tickets defense wins championshipsHow many SBs did we win in the '90s?

[Mecca]

Which round are you going after the defensive ends and linebackers?

Where did you forget that this is more than a 1 year thing? The Chiefs are likely not winning more than 5 games next year.

[DenverChief]

How many SBs did we win in the '90s?

none because of inept martyball playcalling not because the defense couldn't get us there hello 1993

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Which round are you going after the defensive ends and linebackers?

2nd and 3rd round perhaps??? If the team is going to turn things around, they are going to have to get quality starters out of those draft rounds.

[dirk digler]

well that is your opinion OTOH I believe that the offense with a full off season and TC with a few additions to the OL and WR corp and a new HC willing to let the OC make better play selections would be a perfectly serviceable offense...the Defense however needs a DE, 2 LB's and another DT...more holes to fill...I'm not saying don't draft a QB but not with the #3 overall

While I agree with you about the D if the team has identified a franchise QB in the draft you don't pass on that if you have a chance unless you already have one.

This team has alot of holes to fill but we have alot of draft choices and alot of money to spend in FA to help fill the holes.

Along with a new GM and HC we are going to be a much better team next year and I am excited.

[dirk digler]

Where did you forget that this is more than a 1 year thing? The Chiefs are likely not winning more than 5 games next year.

I totally disagree. I think the Chiefs will end up being in the 8-8, 9-7 range next year.

[Brock]

Passing up a franchise QB if one falls into your lap would be stupid, stupid, stupid.

[Bugeater]

Where the hell is Bugeater when you talk to people like this? He defends you to no end in how you treat people.
Hey now, let's not get carried away, all I said is that he was far from the worst. :)

[Brock]

I totally disagree. I think the Chiefs will end up being in the 8-8, 9-7 range next year.

Not without some significant free agent shopping.

[Mecca]

I totally disagree. I think the Chiefs will end up being in the 8-8, 9-7 range next year.

Have you seen the schedule and the lack of talent on the team?

[Braincase]

you are painfully ****ing stupid

Elway is more important than DT

QBs are more important the DEs

jesus christ kc fans are ****ing insanely stupid

we need a QB...that is the first and only priority, and picking 3rd instead of 2nd may very well cost us a franchise QB

We just set a record for fewest sacks in a season, and you're calling me stupid for wanting a DE that just won all the awards Glen Dorsey won last year and a couple more. Meanwhile you are convinced that Bradford or Stafford is the next John Elway?

What the f*** makes you think we have the coach that can keep a QB from getting killed?

[dirk digler]

Not without some significant free agent shopping.

Have you seen the schedule and the lack of talent on the team?

Yes. The team will probably have around $40 million to spend next year plus we have quite a few draft choices.

A new HC could get us to 8-8 easy.

[The Bad Guy]

This team has horrendous talent stop trying to fool yourself, the Chiefs may very well be the least talented team in football.

That's absurd.

With a capable coaching staff, this team is much, much better.

Look at the 49ers. They promote Singletary, and are playing much, much better football. Do you think the 49ers have a lot more talent than the Chiefs?

[Braincase]

Where did you forget that this is more than a 1 year thing? The Chiefs are likely not winning more than 5 games next year.

And if one of those Messianic figures goes back to school for his senior year? We could very well be finding ourselves with a top 10 pick the following year. If you're not getting to the playoffs, you might as well be losing to get ini a better draft position. I agree that I don't think we'll win more than 4 or 5 games next year.

[cdcox]

I totally disagree. I think the Chiefs will end up being in the 8-8, 9-7 range next year.

I think they could have that kind of season with the right off-season moves and with a few breaks. Clark wants to start winning, so the new GM is going to have to work with what we have. I shudder at the thought of starting a championship run without a franchise QB. I just don't think we will stink bad enough next year to be in a position to draft one.

I wouldn't mind us making a move for Stafford this year.

[milkman]

We just set a record for fewest sacks in a season, and you're calling me stupid for wanting a DE that just won all the awards Glen Dorsey won last year and a couple more. Meanwhile you are convinced that Bradford or Stafford is the next John Elway?

What the f*** makes you think we have the coach that can keep a QB from getting killed?

OK, what makes you think we won't get a staff that can keep a QB from getting killed.

[the Talking Can]

Yes. The team will probably have around $40 million to spend next year plus we have quite a few draft choices.

A new HC could get us to 8-8 easy.

huh?

we don't have a QB or a defense

winning 6 next year would be a great success

[Mecca]

That's absurd.

With a capable coaching staff, this team is much, much better.

Look at the 49ers. They promote Singletary, and are playing much, much better football. Do you think the 49ers have a lot more talent than the Chiefs?

Obviously there isn't some giant talent disparity especially between the bad teams, and I'd say it's close their best player is also 24 so that helps.

[dirk digler]

I think they could have that kind of season with the right off-season moves and with a few breaks. Clark wants to start winning, so the new GM is going to have to work with what we have. I shudder at the thought of starting a championship run without a franchise QB. I just don't think we will stink bad enough next year to be in a position to draft one.

I wouldn't mind us making a move for Stafford this year.

Yep I agree

[Mecca]

I think they could have that kind of season with the right off-season moves and with a few breaks. Clark wants to start winning, so the new GM is going to have to work with what we have. I shudder at the thought of starting a championship run without a franchise QB. I just don't think we will stink bad enough next year to be in a position to draft one.

I wouldn't mind us making a move for Stafford this year.

Trying to go for it without a QB gets us the 90s Chiefs and that's if the rest of the team is good.

[dirk digler]

huh?

we don't have a QB or a defense

winning 6 next year would be a great success

You act like there is no off season to fix the problems. The D will be the easier of the 2 to fix obviously.

[Rain Man]

Without reading through all the bickering, I assume that cdcox jinxed us, and we're drafting third. Is that right?

[milkman]

Without reading through all the bickering, I assume that cdcox jinxed us, and we're drafting third. Is that right?

Yep

[Braincase]

OK, what makes you think we won't get a staff that can keep a QB from getting killed.

The fact that history repeats itself and I remember we drafted Todd Blackledge.

[cdcox]

Trying to go for it without a QB gets us the 90s Chiefs and that's if the rest of the team is good.

Yep. We need to make a move sometime before '10 to get one (assuming Thigpen doesn't pull some miracle in his development to get there).

[bowener]

So, when we bring up the QBOTF designation, do we mean a P. Manning type guy? Or do we mean a solid QB who manages a game well and makes few mistakes that cost you, but doesn't necessarily have the 'it' factor of a Brady or Manning? Maybe a Pennington minus injuries...

[the Talking Can]

You act like there is no off season to fix the problems. The D will be the easier of the 2 to fix obviously.

we need a lot more on defense than can be acquired in 1 year

we've been trying to fix the defense forever, there is nothing easy about it

i like your optimism, but i don't share it...

[kcpasco]

we need a lot more on defense than can be acquired in 1 year

we've been trying to fix the defense forever, there is nothing easy about it

i like your optimism, but i don't share it...

Gun just needs his kinda players

[cdcox]

Without reading through all the bickering, I assume that cdcox jinxed us, and we're drafting third. Is that right?


I must of used up all my anit-fan mojo getting Carl fired.

[cdcox]

So, when we bring up the QBOTF designation, do we mean a P. Manning type guy?

This.



Or do we mean a solid QB who manages a game well and makes few mistakes that cost you, but doesn't necessarily have the 'it' factor of a Brady or Manning? Maybe a Pennington minus injuries...

Not this.

[RedThat]

you are painfully ****ing stupid

Elway is more important than DT

QBs are more important the DEs

jesus christ kc fans are ****ing insanely stupid

we need a QB...that is the first and only priority, and picking 3rd instead of 2nd may very well cost us a franchise QB

Of course we need a QB! DUH! Every team does.

But lets not make it seem like that is the #1 element to a successful organization. Get our minds fixated on this whole franchise QB thing. You need everything to win AND not just a QB.

And the Chiefs at this point lack a lot of things right now and not just this franchise QB that most fans are drooling over.

At this point right now, our main concern should just be to get the #1 priority fixed and that is hiring GOOD people in this frikk'n pro personnel dept...fire herms ass and the rest of these ****n joker coaches...get good people on the inside that can turn this ship around in the right direction..and when draft comes, quite frankly at this point, you go with BPA because this team could use help anywhere. I don't give a **** what anyone says?

*You can get a good player anywhere doesn't have to be 1st rd(1st overall or 2nd overall)..you can even get a good player with the 3rd overall pick. you don't have to pick 2nd or 1st overall. but if you don't, omg hit that panic button because were gonna miss out on our franchise qb like you insist and then people like you imply that chiefs fans are stupid...you know what? go **** yourself..youre the ****ing moron

dont you ever realize that there are no guarantees? none! just because we may miss out on stafford, does it guarantee he is the next john elway?no like some here think he can be? or make it out like he is? he looks great in college yes, but the NFL is a different game.

Your have to hire good people in your FO and things will take care of themselves. you will have a good team if you have the right people in the FO that are capable of evaluating, scouting players. you hire a good coaching staff that can develop young players and that will take of care of good player development. you draft well overall you'll have a good team. and you do that with the right people in your FO and with a good coaching staff.

[Rain Man]

So, when we bring up the QBOTF designation, do we mean a P. Manning type guy? Or do we mean a solid QB who manages a game well and makes few mistakes that cost you, but doesn't necessarily have the 'it' factor of a Brady or Manning? Maybe a Pennington minus injuries...

Hmm, given those choices...let me think...hmmm...I think....let's go with a Peyton Manning kind of quarterback.

[dirk digler]

we need a lot more on defense than can be acquired in 1 year

we've been trying to fix the defense forever, there is nothing easy about it

i like your optimism, but i don't share it...

I agree there is quite a few holes but my hope is that along with a new HC we get a DC that actually knows what the fuck he is doing.

Every year there is teams that go from really bad on D to being Top 15 or better.

I fully expect the Chiefs to sign alot of FA's this year to fill some of those holes

[cdcox]

But lets not make it seem like that is the #1 element to a successful organization. Get our minds fixated on this whole franchise QB thing. You need everything to win AND not just a QB.



But the franchise QB is the hardest piece to find.

Followed by a distant second by elite pass rushers.

[Rain Man]

I must of used up all my anit-fan mojo getting Carl fired.

Okay, you just made the only acceptable excuse.

[Mecca]

I agree there is quite a few holes but my hope is that along with a new HC we get a DC that actually knows what the fuck he is doing.

Every year there is teams that go from really bad on D to being Top 15 or better.

I fully expect the Chiefs to sign alot of FA's this year to fill some of those holes

I don't really like that approach and if they do they're gonna be mostly mid tier guys because well no top tier FA is gonna sign with a 2-14 team.

[Mecca]

But the franchise QB is the hardest piece to find.

Followed by a distant second by elite pass rushers.

The way I look at that is most teams have a pass rusher alot have 2 some have 3....how many teams have a top notch QB? A handful?

[Rausch]

This is the most important draft for KC in 20 years.

We really need to hit on whomever we take at 2 and I don't want Herm making that pick...

[Rain Man]

Hey, cdcox, I'm just curious. If we had gone 0-16 this year, would we have had the #1 pick or was it mathematically impossible to do it with Detroit out there?

[dirk digler]

I don't really like that approach and if they do they're gonna be mostly mid tier guys because well no top tier FA is gonna sign with a 2-14 team.

BS. They will sign with whatever teams shows them the money and shows them the most love.

Also depending on who we have as GM and HC we could actually see alot of FA's wanting to come here.

[dirk digler]

Does anyone know how many draft picks we have this year?

[RedThat]

But the franchise QB is the hardest piece to find.

Followed by a distant second by elite pass rushers.

you can get a QB. he doesnt have to be a franchise qb like people here insist.

at this point this effn team is so horrible that a lot more needs to be fixed then just QB and passrusher.

I want a solid and sound team all around. And yes that can happen WITHOUT a franchise QB.

[the Talking Can]

Does anyone know how many draft picks we have this year?

normal amount, i think

unless we can move LJ

[kstater]

you can get a QB. he doesnt have to be a franchise qb like people here insist.



:banghead:

[the Talking Can]

you can get a QB. he doesnt have to be a franchise qb like people here insist.

at this point this effn team is so horrible that a lot more needs to be fixed then just QB and passrusher.

I want a solid and sound team all around. And yes that can happen WITHOUT a franchise QB.

good for you

but I want a Championship

[Tribal Warfare]

you can get a QB. he doesnt have to be a franchise qb like people here insist.

at this point this effn team is so horrible that a lot more needs to be fixed then just QB and passrusher.

I want a solid and sound team all around. And yes that can happen WITHOUT a franchise QB.

The "good enough" train of thought just to get by and satisfied with a 9-7 season.

[Mecca]

BS. They will sign with whatever teams shows them the money and shows them the most love.

Also depending on who we have as GM and HC we could actually see alot of FA's wanting to come here.

Alright if you wanna make Suggs the highest paid player in the league that's on you.

[RedThat]

good for you

but I want a Championship

Every fan of their team wants a championship.

A championship can't be won without a franchise QB?

*Get a good team all around, and they'll be making runs for championships.

[Braincase]

How far behind Stafford and Bradford is Dirty Sanchez?

[RedThat]

The "good enough" train of thought just to get by and satisfied with a 9-7 season.

bullsh*t

[Rain Man]

you can get a QB. he doesnt have to be a franchise qb like people here insist.

at this point this effn team is so horrible that a lot more needs to be fixed then just QB and passrusher.

I want a solid and sound team all around. And yes that can happen WITHOUT a franchise QB.


It can, but I'd rather get a franchise quarterback if we have the opportunity. With a top-three pick, our odds are much improved of getting one, and if we get one we keep him for a decade or more.

[Mecca]

Every fan of their team wants a championship.

A championship can't be won without a franchise QB?

*Get a good team all around, and they'll be making runs for championships.

You should go look at that superbowl list and how many franchise QB's have won them...it kind of undercuts your argument....

[Mecca]

bullsh*t

He's right, just wanting a good enough player at the most important position on the field is the 9-7 train.

[kstater]

Every fan of their team wants a championship.

A championship can't be won without a franchise QB?

*Get a good team all around, and they'll be making runs for championships.

Can't be is a strong word, but, it is MUCH MUCH, MUCH harder.

[Tribal Warfare]

bullsh*t



It worked out so well, in the 90's didn't it outside of Montana early exit out of the playoffs each time.

[the Talking Can]

Every fan of their team wants a championship.

A championship can't be won without a franchise QB?

*Get a good team all around, and they'll be making runs for championships.

no, it can't

we already tried Martyball...it failed...let's try something else please

[cdcox]

Hey, cdcox, I'm just curious. If we had gone 0-16 this year, would we have had the #1 pick or was it mathematically impossible to do it with Detroit out there?

The files I need for going back and changing outcomes of games are on another computer that I can't get to right now, but based on SOS coming into today, I would say it is very likely we would have had the overall first pick in the draft.

[dirk digler]

Alright if you wanna make Suggs the highest paid player in the league that's on you.

You wouldn't want to sign him? He is only 26 and is one of the better players on D out there

[Mecca]

I wanna see the list of non franchise QB's to win bowls it's Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson they are exceptions not the rule...one had a historically great defense the other had a top coach with a great defense.

[Mecca]

You wouldn't want to sign him? He is only 26 and is one of the better players on D out there

Not for what Jared Allen got paid and that's what he's probably going to expect to come here...probably more.

[cdcox]

you can get a QB. he doesnt have to be a franchise qb like people here insist.

at this point this effn team is so horrible that a lot more needs to be fixed then just QB and passrusher.

I want a solid and sound team all around. And yes that can happen WITHOUT a franchise QB.

I don't want to be a sound team all around without a good QB prospect. That puts you in a long shot for a championship and zero chance of building a dynasty.

[dirk digler]

Not for what Jared Allen got paid and that's what he's probably going to expect to come here...probably more.

It is not like we can't afford it.

But unless we get lucky and draft a stud DE we will need to sign a couple of FA's to help out the pass rush.

[RedThat]

Okay,

what if you have a QB like Eli Manning? Or a Trent Green in his prime? Or a Matt Hasselbeck? Or lets say a Phillip Rivers?

but your team is REALLY good all around. fundamentally sound team, well disciplined, outstanding coaching...good in all phases of the game, good in just about everything you can imagine but yet no John Elway type QB, or Dan Marino, or Joe Montana...you don't think that team will be winning SBs?

[Mecca]

I don't want to be a sound team all around without a good QB prospect. That puts you in a long shot for a championship and zero chance of building a dynasty.

I don't understand why some people are so god damned scared to try to build this way, the 90s Chiefs are not the model to follow people.

[Mecca]

Okay,

what if you have a QB like Eli Manning? Or a Trent Green in his prime? Or a Matt Hasselbeck? Or lets say a Phillip Rivers?

but your team is REALLY good all around. fundamentally sound team, well disciplined, outstanding coaching...good in all phases of the game, good in just about everything you can imagine but yet no John Elway type QB, or Dan Marino, or Joe Montana...you don't think that team will be winning SBs?

Phillip Rivers is developing into a top of the line QB, so bad example.....one reason the Chiefs have a serious need for QB is Rivers and Cutler being in this division.

[kstater]

Okay,

what if you have a QB like Eli Manning? Or a Trent Green in his prime? Or a Matt Hasselbeck? Or lets say a Phillip Rivers?

but your team is REALLY good all around. fundamentally sound team, well disciplined, outstanding coaching...good in all phases of the game, good in just about everything you can imagine but yet no John Elway type QB, or Dan Marino, or Joe Montana...you don't think that team will be winning SBs?

Uhh, Eli and Rivers are, or will be, franchise QB's.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

If they draft a RT with the 3rd pick I will personally come to your house and bitch slap you.

LMAO

Passing up a franchise QB if one falls into your lap would be stupid, stupid, stupid.

Yep. Thing is, and I've said this since accepting the fact we need a FQBOTF, if Matt is gone and Gunther is gone; it better be Defense ALL DAY in New York. If this team is stupid enough to draft Bradford, Harrell, Tebow, or Davis, then we deserve EVERY ASS-KICKING WE GET.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

It's not like QB wouldn't be the Best Available Player when we pick. Not like they'd be reaching just to take a QB if they took Stafford. He's pretty much regarded as going that high and that is before the combine which you would think would only help him.

[cdcox]

Okay,

what if you have a QB like Eli Manning? Or a Trent Green in his prime? Or a Matt Hasselbeck? Or lets say a Phillip Rivers?

but your team is REALLY good all around. fundamentally sound team, well disciplined, outstanding coaching...good in all phases of the game, good in just about everything you can imagine but yet no John Elway type QB, or Dan Marino, or Joe Montana...you don't think that team will be winning SBs?

You'll have your heart ripped out by Peyton Manning, John Elway or Joe Montana 4 times out of 5 in the playoffs. I want to be the team that is doing the heart ripping of the Titans.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Cassel will be franchised by NE due to the delay on Brady's rehab.

Print it!

[Braincase]

If you don't draft a QB in the first round, you are DOOMED!

BTW, how'd that Tom Brady thing workout?

[Mecca]

If you want to follow a model of a team to build like, it's the Colts.

[dirk digler]

I wanna see the list of non franchise QB's to win bowls it's Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson they are exceptions not the rule...one had a historically great defense the other had a top coach with a great defense.

There is quite a few actually

Len Dawson
Earl Morrell
Jim Plunkett
Doug Williams
Jeff Hostetler
Mark Rypien
Brett Favre
Kurt Warner
Brad Johnson
Trent Dilfer

[cdcox]

As Favre takes the Jets up on Miami.

[Mecca]

If you don't draft a QB in the first round, you are DOOMED!

BTW, how'd that Tom Brady thing workout?

Yep play to be the exception, because you know a team hitting a 1 in a million shot just means you can do it too right?

[L.A. Chieffan]

Bret favre?

[Mecca]

There is quite a few actually

Len Dawson
Earl Morrell
Jim Plunkett
Doug Williams
Jeff Hostetler
Mark Rypien
Brett Favre
Kurt Warner
Brad Johnson
Trent Dilfer

You went all the way back to the 60s when the game wasn't like it is now but ok...also Warner was a hell of alot more than a game manager in St Louis.

And if you think Favre wasn't a franchise guy what are you smoking?

[L.A. Chieffan]

We should draft a kicker in the 1st round. Percentage wise it has the best chance of success.

[cdcox]

There is quite a few actually

Len Dawson
Earl Morrell
Jim Plunkett
Doug Williams
Jeff Hostetler
Mark Rypien
Brett Favre
Kurt Warner
Brad Johnson
Trent Dilfer

Dawson was a damn good QB in his day. You can't look at stats because the era was a lot different. Favre is a first ballot HOFer, maybe sooner. Kurt Warner didn't have longevity, but there was no better QB in the league during the Rams hot streak.

[dirk digler]

You went all the way back to the 60s when the game wasn't like it is now but ok...also Warner was a hell of alot more than a game manager in St Louis.

And if you think Favre wasn't a franchise guy what are you smoking?

He wasn't drafted by the Packers

[Braincase]

Yep play to be the exception, because you know a team hitting a 1 in a million shot just means you can do it too right?

How about a list of 1st round QB's that DIDN'T pan out?