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KCJohnny

12-31-2008, 05:26 AM

Ryan wins Offensive Rookie award

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NEW YORK (AP)—Matt Ryan (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8780/;_ylt=Aiuq5Ez5aThwHAPinQbrv4IdsLYF) found a quick way to make Falcons fans forget Michael Vick (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5448/), Bobby Petrino and all the ugliness of Atlanta football.

The quarterback led a sensational turnaround from laughingstock franchise to Super Bowl contender, for which Ryan earned The Associated Press 2008 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year award Tuesday.
And he did it in a year loaded with outstanding offensive rookie performances.

“I’m certainly flattered,” Ryan said. “There’s a number of guys who had great rookie seasons this year, so to even be mentioned in that light is nice. It’s certainly a great honor, and I think it speaks to what we did as a team this year.”

What the Falcons did was go 11-5 and make the playoffs after a dismal 2007 that saw Vick incarcerated for dogfighting and Petrino leave after 13 games to go coach Arkansas. Ryan was chosen third overall out of Boston College to be the cornerstone of Atlanta’s rebuilding.
The Falcons can take pride in the foundation he has laid.

Full story here (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AuTPKNZJuCVnONIpjB2WcU5DubYF?slug=ap-apoffensiverookie&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Thigpen doesn't look very shabby head-to-head with Ryan, a profoundly successful young QB. Thigpen wasn't a real rookie, but in his 1st year of starting his numbers are similar to Ryan's (Thig: 18 TD, 12 INT; Ryan: 17 TD, 11 INT). Ryan started every game; Thigpen started 11? So Ryan has him in passing yards (3440 to 2608 - it stands to reason Thig's yards would be close to Ryan's if he had started every game). Thigpen also contributed an NFL-high 386 QB rushing yards and added 4 TDs rushing and receiving.

Still, its tempting to go the route the Falcons did in drafting Matt Ryan with the #3 pick overall. Atlanta definitely has a franchise QB for the coming decade, knock on wood.

Teams may have gained some edge on Ryan from film study as he closed out the season's last 4 games with 3 TDs and 5 INTs - or, it could be other things.

Ryan also benefitted from a nasty rushing attack that featured Michael Turner (1699 yds, 4.5 YPC) and the lightning fast Jerrious Norwood (95/489/5.1) that gained over 2400 yards in '08.

So, what's your take? Stay with comparitively strong Thigpen or spend the overall #3 pick on a franchise QB?

Mecca

12-31-2008, 05:28 AM

Oh for the love of god, you can't just compare stats, do you understand the difference in what Ryan brings and what Thigpen brings?

Matt Ryan has the nickname Matty ice for a reason, when Thigpen chokes at the end of the game that is when Matt Ryan makes big plays.

Hammock Parties

12-31-2008, 05:28 AM

Thigpen wasn't a real rookie, but in his 1st year of starting his numbers are similar to Ryan's (Thig: 18 TD, 12 INT; Ryan: 17 TD, 11 INT)?

That just shows you how deceiving statistics can be.

Ryan makes almost every throw with outstanding accuracy.

Thigpen ain't even close.

kstater

12-31-2008, 05:33 AM

I'll be nice about it. Draft a QB if the right one is there at #3.

Mecca

12-31-2008, 05:39 AM

Hammock Parties

12-31-2008, 05:46 AM

Wow...5:35...off his back foot and placed nearly perfectly 35 yards down the field.

Fucking incredible.

BigMeatballDave

12-31-2008, 05:47 AM

Stupidity knows no bounds...

BigMeatballDave

12-31-2008, 05:48 AM

Wow...5:35...off his back foot and placed nearly perfectly 35 yards down the field.

****ing incredible.Yeah. I saw that play when it happened. My thought was, Holy shit, what a fucking throw.

BigMeatballDave

12-31-2008, 05:51 AM

So, what's your take? Stay with comparitively strong Thigpen or spend the overall #3 pick on a franchise QB?Are you seriously asking this question? Its mind boggling that you are comparing Thig to Ryan. I can't even begin to wrap my brain around such non-sense.

BigMeatballDave

12-31-2008, 05:51 AM

Mecca

12-31-2008, 05:52 AM

Are you seriously asking this question? Its mind boggling that you are comparing Thig to Ryan. I can't even begin to wrap my brain around such non-sense.

It's Johnny...Johnny could figure out a way to tell us this very team could win the bowl.

the Talking Can

12-31-2008, 06:05 AM

can we ban kc fans from stats??

you abuse stats worse than Madonna abuses her vagina

beach tribe

12-31-2008, 06:41 AM

There is no comparison between Matty Ice, and Thigpen. Or between Matt Stafford, and Thigpen. Or between KC Johnny, and someone who knows what they're talking about.

beach tribe

12-31-2008, 06:44 AM

How about the 1min mark. How the hell does an NFL defense let a player run by them like that? Pass coverage. Herm's specialty.

KCJohnny

12-31-2008, 06:45 AM

Watch the throws.......especially the one at the 5:35 mark and ask yourself can Tyler Thigpen make that throw?

Why wonder?
Look (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c2ece3) for yourself.

Its really funny how you all purport to be such Chiefs fans when every other QB with similar stats is always somehow better than our guy.

Ryan is very good - as I stated above - and Thigpen is starting on a team with the NFL's worst _efense, 18 rookies and on a team that was so depleted by injuries this year that they dressed and played 71 athletes. Flame me all you want, I don't really mind, but Thigpen does not look bad at all compared to Ryan.

Hammock Parties

12-31-2008, 06:48 AM

Why wonder?
Look (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c2ece3) for yourself.

Johnny, that is not remotely the same throw. It's not even close.

I can't believe you would make that comparison.

We're talking about two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT throws.

beach tribe

12-31-2008, 06:56 AM

Why wonder?
Look (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c2ece3) for yourself.

Its really funny how you all purport to be such Chiefs fans when every other QB with similar stats is always somehow better than our guy.

Ryan is very good - as I stated above - and Thigpen is starting on a team with the NFL's worst _efense, 18 rookies and on a team that was so depleted by injuries this year that they dressed and played 71 athletes. Flame me all you want, I don't really mind, but Thigpen does not look bad at all compared to Ryan.

You know Johnny, I used to think people were hard on you.
I like Thigpen, but this is not about Stats. That throw isn't anywhere near that of the one Ryan made, and Thigpen, can in no way shape or form, be compared to Ryan. JUST STOP.

beach tribe

12-31-2008, 07:00 AM

KCJohnny

12-31-2008, 07:01 AM

Johnny, that is not remotely the same throw. It's not even close.

I can't believe you would make that comparison.

We're talking about two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT throws.

Have a look.

Thigpen on the run (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d246c7).

Thigpen on the run getting hit as he throws a TD pass (http://http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d22b3e).

KCJohnny

12-31-2008, 07:09 AM

Oh, and BTW the Falcs were 4-12 before Ryan took over. The Chiefs were 4-12 last year too. I know Atlanta added some other guys, but the main ingredient in those wins is Matt Ryan. Put Tyler on the Falcons they win 6-7 games.
I'm not downing Tyler either. He's done great considering the circumstances.
But you truly are a blind deceived homer.

Never said I was anything else.

You have no way to prove your theory. Conversely, give Thigpen a 2440 yard rushing attack and a lot of vets (KC has only 17 players with 4+ years of experience) and he looks pretty good, too.

Ryan has played very, very well. But he was not asked to carry the team on his young shoulders. NFL.com lists him with 16 TDs and 11 INTs in 16 starts. Meanwhile Atlanta scored 23 rushing TDs and had the #2 ranked rushing attack in the NFL. They also played 9 games indoors. Ryan ran 55 times for just over 100 yds. Thigpen ran about 60 times for nearly 400 yds and scored passing, running and receiving.

Hammock Parties

12-31-2008, 07:27 AM

I found this KCJohnny post from 1983:

Billy Kenney doesn't look very shabby head-to-head with Dan Marino, a profoundly successful young QB. Billy wasn't a real rookie, but in his 2nd year of starting his numbers are similar to Marino's (Billy: 24 TD, 18 INT; Marino: 20 TD, 6 INT). Marino played in only 11 games, while Billy started 16, but he threw for more yards - 4,348 to 2,210!

Billy also contributed 59 rushing yards and added 3 TDs rushing.

Still, its tempting to go the route the Dolphins did in drafting Marino with the 27th pick overall. Miami definitely has a franchise QB for the coming decade, knock on wood.

Marino also benefitted from a nasty rushing attack that featured Andra Franklin (746 yds, 3.3 YPC) and the lightning fast Tony Nathan (685/4.5) that gained over 2100 yards in '83.

So, what's your take? Stay with comparitively strong Kenney or spend the overall #5 pick on a franchise QB?

Did I mention Billy COMPLETELY BLEW AWAY John Elway's passing numbers? Another supposedly "awesome" rookie QB. By the way I am in the army.
KCJohnny hasn't learned anything in 25 years, and still can't spell "comparatively."

Also, four months later he made this post:

OMG! Guys I am in Grenada (defending your freedoms) and I just got word that we drafted Scott Radecic in the second round! I know some of you wanted Boomer Esiason, who went four spots later, but we have Billy! We're gonna be good! Chiefs in '84!

BigMeatballDave

12-31-2008, 09:56 AM

Never said I was anything else.

You have no way to prove your theory. Conversely, give Thigpen a 2440 yard rushing attack and a lot of vets (KC has only 17 players with 4+ years of experience) and he looks pretty good, too.

Ryan has played very, very well. But he was not asked to carry the team on his young shoulders. NFL.com lists him with 16 TDs and 11 INTs in 16 starts. Meanwhile Atlanta scored 23 rushing TDs and had the #2 ranked rushing attack in the NFL. They also played 9 games indoors. Ryan ran 55 times for just over 100 yds. Thigpen ran about 60 times for nearly 400 yds and scored passing, running and receiving.Explain Thigs 4th quarter rating. Its like 55. Horrible.

KCJohnny

12-31-2008, 10:01 AM

Explain Thigs 4th quarter rating. Its like 55. Horrible.

Explain his high stats. He is directly responsible for 22 TDs. In the 4th quarter young players are most vulnerable to veteran wisdom and technique.

EyePod

12-31-2008, 10:01 AM

The big thing is that Thigpen was drafted in the fucking 7th round. Matt Ryan? 3rd overall. He was chosen to start right away. Thigpen was drafted to maybe start in about 3 years if he shows a lot of progress. Right now, he's starting and doing pretty well for someone who didn't have the same grooming as Matt Ryan. Claythan will never acknowledge that though. And I'm not saying that he's the QBOTF, but he's doing pretty well considering what we have available.

beach tribe

12-31-2008, 10:02 AM

Explain Thigs 4th quarter rating. Its like 55. Horrible.

Yeah. Compare Ryan's stats in the 4th with the game on the line.

Hammock Parties

12-31-2008, 10:03 AM

And I'm not saying that he's the QBOTF, but he's doing pretty well considering what we have available.

Pointless.

I don't watch the NFL to see players do "pretty well."

You're coddling Thigpen because he's a feel-good story.

beach tribe

12-31-2008, 10:03 AM

The big thing is that Thigpen was drafted in the ****ing 7th round. Matt Ryan? 3rd overall. He was chosen to start right away. Thigpen was drafted to maybe start in about 3 years if he shows a lot of progress. Right now, he's starting and doing pretty well for someone who didn't have the same grooming as Matt Ryan. Claythan will never acknowledge that though. And I'm not saying that he's the QBOTF, but he's doing pretty well considering what we have available.

I agree that he has done an excellent job. But I will not compare him to Ryan, or even consider passing on Stafford because we have Thigpen.

Hootie

12-31-2008, 10:04 AM

I just can't wait for the draft.

BigMeatballDave

12-31-2008, 10:04 AM

Explain his high stats. He is directly responsible for 22 TDs. In the 4th quarter young players are most vulnerable to veteran wisdom and technique.All thoes close games. If Thig is nearly as good as Ryan, he should have led us to more victories. Right?

Hootie

12-31-2008, 10:05 AM

I'm a Thigpen fan but if Matt Ryan, or someone like Matt Ryan is available when we're picking at #3 we take him...no matter what.

I'd be ok with Bradford, too...competition never hurt anything. Thigpen really flamed out at the end of the year...I think he has potential but I don't think it's very likely he develops into a franchise guy.

Hootie

12-31-2008, 10:07 AM

All thoes close games. If Thig is nearly as good as Ryan, he should have led us to more victories. Right?

I hardly place the blame on Thigpen for our close losses...every time our defense had a chance to make a stop...(Tampa, New York, San Diego) and they couldn't do it...those 3 games were in the bag but the defense lost the game for us...not Thigpen.

Like I said...guy has potential but it's not very likely he's a franchise guy...Stafford or Bradford sound good to me...at least we have a guy in Thigpen who we know can be a solid backup.

Rain Man

12-31-2008, 10:07 AM

Ryan beat Maurice Leggett?

StcChief

12-31-2008, 10:08 AM

I agree that he has done an excellent job. But I will not compare him to Ryan, or even consider passing on Stafford because we have Thigpen.ok.... so Detroit (really needs QB), and Lambs (Bulger is overpriced and not the answer) are some how gonna pass on Stafford..........

or we are gonna TRADEUP and give a way picks we need..........
especially when we are gonna give up one for a GM.

Get freakin' real Stafford isn't gonna be a draft pick for KC.

banyon

12-31-2008, 10:10 AM

ok.... so Detroit (really needs QB), and Lambs (Bulger is overpriced and not the answer) are some how gonna pass on Stafford..........

or we are gonna TRADEUP and give a way picks we need..........
especially when we are gonna give up one for a GM.

Get freakin' real Stafford isn't gonna be a draft pick for KC.

Dorsey and DJ weren't supposed to fall to us either. This stuff is never clear until a couple of weeks out.

I could see both teams passing on him, all it takes is a couple of individuals in each organization who see something they don't like. Hell, look what happened to Brady Quinn and Aaron Rodgers.

BigMeatballDave

12-31-2008, 10:13 AM

I hardly place the blame on Thigpen for our close losses...every time our defense had a chance to make a stop...(Tampa, New York, San Diego) and they couldn't do it...those 3 games were in the bag but the defense lost the game for us...not Thigpen.

Like I said...guy has potential but it's not very likely he's a franchise guy...Stafford or Bradford sound good to me...at least we have a guy in Thigpen who we know can be a solid backup.Of course the D bares some blame, but its not the Ds fault for Thigs horrible 2nd half play.

beach tribe

12-31-2008, 10:14 AM

ok.... so Detroit (really needs QB), and Lambs (Bulger is overpriced and not the answer) are some how gonna pass on Stafford..........

or we are gonna TRADEUP and give a way picks we need..........
especially when we are gonna give up one for a GM.

Get freakin' real Stafford isn't gonna be a draft pick for KC.

If Bradford plays great in the NC game, there is a good chance Dtroit takes him, and I'm convinced St Louie is taking a LT. That would leave us with Stafford....It could happen. Bulger just signed a big contract. He will be the starter for them next season.

Hammock Parties

12-31-2008, 10:14 AM

Yeah. Compare Ryan's stats in the 4th with the game on the line.

Drops off but doesn't drop into the Marinara Trench.

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7089/ryanlu5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Also compare these stats -

Ryan

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3088/ryan2qh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Thigpen

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4971/thiggggggmk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

You wanna talk stats, KCJ, I'll blow your ass away. Thigpen's relevant splits suck ass.

Here's another important stat where Ryan stomps the piss out of Thigpen - third down completion percentage. 59.4 vs 53.3. YPA on third downs is higher by more than two yards, too.

suds79

12-31-2008, 10:15 AM

Ryan completed 61.1% of his passes where as Thigpen completed just 54.8 in a very QB friendly system.

Furthermore, Thigpen got wrose as the game progressed.

He can be our backup (assuming he learns to how perform when not in the spread) but that's about all I see for him right now.

Gotta find a QB this off-season if the new coach doesn't want to run the spread.

BigMeatballDave

12-31-2008, 10:16 AM

ok.... so Detroit (really needs QB), and Lambs (Bulger is overpriced and not the answer) are some how gonna pass on Stafford..........

or we are gonna TRADEUP and give a way picks we need..........
especially when we are gonna give up one for a GM.

Get freakin' real Stafford isn't gonna be a draft pick for KC.Lions could very well take an OT or even draft Bradford. Rams aren't drafting a QB with the money they have in Bulger. They will likely take an OT.

Dartgod

12-31-2008, 10:16 AM

Apparently Johnny didn't watch the Bengals game this past weekend. Some of those throws were ridiculously inaccurate.

KCJohnny

12-31-2008, 10:20 AM

Here's another important stat where Ryan stomps the piss out of Thigpen - third down completion percentage. 59.4 vs 53.3. YPA on third downs is higher by more than two yards, too.
ROFL

Oh yeah! I'm blown away!

Hey Wendler, do you know that Atlanta gained 2440 yards rushing in 2008?

Hammock Parties

12-31-2008, 10:32 AM

If you don't think that large of a differential in third-down passing percentage means anything, you don't know JACK.