Todd Haley bandwagon

[FringeNC]

He's my new favorite to be our next HC. He's part of the Parcells / Belichick coaching tree, and he's still available.

Young, aggressive offensive coordinator. Perfect for us.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

He's doing well this season. Anyone got career stats?

[chiefbowe82]

this is whos pioli is waiting on

[RUSH]

I'm on board

[Mr_Tomahawk]

He's my new favorite to be our next HC. He's part of the Parcells / Belichick coaching tree, and he's still available.

Young, aggressive offensive coordinator. Perfect for us.

Curious what his ties are?

[The Bad Guy]

He can interview in the week before SB week.

I think I'm on his bandwagon too.

Calls great games. Can tailor an offense to the strength of the players. Keeps going at defenses even with a lead.

[Reerun_KC]

Sure! I am all for it....

But breaking up is hard to do and the "Clark luvs Herm" camp might not be to thrilled....

It would break Clarks heart to bring in a new coach...

[tk13]

It's an interesting idea, I'd like to know a bit more about him. I don't think being a great playcaller makes you a great head coach though. Everybody's falling in love with him because he's had a good couple games with a WR that's catching everything thrown within 10 yards of his body right now.

[tk13]

Sure! I am all for it....

But breaking up is hard to do and the "Clark luvs Herm" camp might not be to thrilled....

It would break Clarks heart to bring in a new coach...
Don't be an idiot. First it was Clark loves soccer, then it was Clark loves mediocrity. Then he goes out and gets the best GM candidate in the last 15-20 years, and now he's an idiot who loves Herm even though his entire coaching staff has been freed to get other jobs. Yeah right.

[bowener]

I am all for anybody that is > Herm.

[The Bad Guy]

Sure! I am all for it....

But breaking up is hard to do and the "Clark luvs Herm" camp might not be to thrilled....

It would break Clarks heart to bring in a new coach...

I really have grown to like you on this board since our arguments.

But good god man, stop with this bullshit.

It's every other post, every other minute. How in the hell can you criticize Clark? He went out and got the BEST exec in the NFL.

I agree Herm should be gone, but I have no problem with Pioli examining EVERYTHING about this team. The guy is a pure professional, and I have no doubts he makes the right choices.

[RealSNR]

Don't be an idiot. First it was Clark loves soccer, then it was Clark loves mediocrity. Then he goes out and gets the best GM candidate in the last 15-20 years, and now he's an idiot who loves Herm even though his entire coaching staff has been freed to get other jobs. Yeah right.Thank you.

Rep.

[FringeNC]

It's an interesting idea, I'd like to know a bit more about him. I don't think being a great playcaller makes you a great head coach though. Everybody's falling in love with him because he's had a good couple games with a WR that's catching everything thrown within 10 yards of his body right now.

Parcells respected him enough for his work in Dallas as WR coach / passing game coordinator (and standing up to TO like no one else does) that he was seriously considering him for HC in Miami, but Haley turned down the interview (don't know why).

[Reerun_KC]

Its just sarcasm TBG....

Nothing more/Nothing less...

[Reerun_KC]

Don't be an idiot. First it was Clark loves soccer, then it was Clark loves mediocrity. Then he goes out and gets the best GM candidate in the last 15-20 years, and now he's an idiot who loves Herm even though his entire coaching staff has been freed to get other jobs. Yeah right.

:clap:

True and agree... People are a little touchy on championship sunday...

[The Bad Guy]

Its just sarcasm TBG....

Nothing more/Nothing less...

I really don't believe that.

Just let things transpire with this team.

[DJ's left nut]

Figured this was coming soon.

I am liking his fire on the sideline, but I still prefer a defensive coordinator all the way. If I'm going with an O-coordinator, I want a longer track record.

Haley has all the same issues that McDaniels had, I'm just not a fan.

[Reerun_KC]

I really don't believe that.

Just let things transpire with this team.

Uh, I have zero control of the situation...

[FringeNC]

Shefter's blog:

Add one more intriguing name to the potential list of head-coaching candidates in Kansas City.

Cardinals offensive coordinator Todd Haley, a former assistant coach for Scott Pioli’s father-in-law, Bill Parcells, in Dallas, could be thrown into the mix of Chiefs head-coaching candidates, should Herm Edwards not be retained.

Parcells has extolled the virtues of Haley to many around the NFL, and Haley has elevated the Cardinals offense to where the team is on the brink of going to its first Super Bowl.

Pioli initially was interested in Josh McDaniels, but he landed the Denver job. Kirk Ferentz would have been an option, but he’s expected to remain at Iowa. Kansas City was expected to seek permission to interview Steve Spagnuolo, but he took the St. Louis job.

Now other candidates could come into play in Kansas City, and one might be Haley.

[Reerun_KC]

Shefter's blog:

"Add one more intriguing name to the potential list of head-coaching candidates in Kansas City: Cardinals offensive coordinator Todd Haley."

Nice, Very Nice!

[KChiefs1]

<TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%"><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD class=headline vAlign=top colSpan=3>Haley to the Chiefs?

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD bgColor=#940030 colSpan=3>Cardinals Offense (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2082) - TM - ARZ (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/content/clubhouse_news.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=ARZ) - Jan. 18 - 4:25 pm et </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top colSpan=3>
Cardinals offensive coordinator Todd Haley could reportedly be a candidate to be the Chiefs' next head coach.

Haley worked for new GM Scott Pioli's father-in-law in Dallas and has done an excellent job in Arizona, especially in terms of late-season adjustments.

However, the Chiefs couldn't hire Haley until the Cardinals are done playing.

Jan. 18 - 4:25 pm et
Source: NFL.com (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/01/18/chiefs-could-consider-cardinals-haley/)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Reerun_KC]

Shefter's blog:

Seems like we are on vacation again...

[KChiefs1]

http://nwe.scout.com/a.z?s=121&p=2&c=825008


Assistant Coaches Who Should Garner Attention

1) Steve Spagnuolo/Defensive Coordinator/New York Giants - He went from being a position coach two years ago with the Philadelphia Eagles to running the defense for the New York Giants last season and became the league's hottest head coaching prospect. Spagnuolo is essentially running the same defensive scheme which Philadelphia Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Johnson uses. That scheme is blitz heavy and puts a ton of pressure on opposing offenses. Because of the significant improvement New York's defense made during the 2007 season and being that the team won the Super Bowl, Spagnuolo got big recognition for the team's success. And that success carried over to this season, which is why he'll be one of the top candidates again to be a head coach in 2009.

2) Rex Ryan/Assistant Head Coach-Defensive Coordinator/Baltimore Ravens (http://bal.scout.com/) - Ryan is seen as one of the best defensive minds in the league and is known was one of the league's most innovative coaches from the defensive side of the ball. He's known for using odd-man defensive fronts and often uses deception to confuse offenses. He interviewed for the Ravens head coaching job after Brian Billick was fired after the 2007 season. Ryan also interviewed for the top jobs with the Atlanta Falcons (http://atl.scout.com/) and Miami Dolphins (http://mia.scout.com/) earlier this year before they were eventually filled. League sources who know him well say Ryan lost a significant amount of weight to give a better impression in interviews.

3) Jim Schwartz/Defensive Coordinator/Tennessee Titans (http://ten.scout.com/) - The veteran defensive coach has been in this space many times and had interviews in previous seasons for head coaching vacancies with the Atlanta Falcons, Miami Dolphins, San Francisco 49ers (http://sfo.scout.com/), and Washington Redskins (http://was.scout.com/). Many around the league believe he'll get his shot at a vacancy in 2009. Schwartz's philosophy has been pretty apparent over the years since taking over as Tennessee's defensive coordinator back in 2001. He's known for being aggressive and team's generally have a tough time scoring against his defense. And Tennessee has historically been one of the best defenses against the run since he took over calling the plays on that side of the ball. Over the years, players in Tennessee's front seven such as DE Kyle Vanden Bosch, DT Albert Hayesworth, and WLB Keith Bulluck (http://nwe.scout.com/a.z?s=121&p=8&c=1&nid=3671183) have flourished under Schwartz. And CB Cortland Finnegan (http://nwe.scout.com/a.z?s=121&p=8&c=1&nid=3671204) has emerged as one of the league's best young defensive backs.

4) Russ Grimm/Assistant Head Coach-Offensive Line Coach/Arizona Cardinals (http://ari.scout.com/) - Grimm is known as one of the league's best offensive line coaches and has done a really good job upgrading one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL in his two seasons with the team. The veteran coach was a finalist for the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://pit.scout.com/) head coaching job that eventually went to Mike Tomlin and came close to getting the Chicago Bears head coaching job back in 2004. If there's a knock on Grimm, it could be that he's an offensive line coach. There's a thought around the league by some that offensive line coaches don't make good head coaches, yet Grimm has been part of coaching staffs who have put together some very solid offenses with the Steelers and Cardinals.

5) Hue Jackson/Quarterbacks Coach/Baltimore Ravens - Jackson is known as one of the league's best receiver coaches and also has done a nice job of developing quarterbacks. Jackson did an outstanding job of developing the receivers (Chad Johnson (http://nwe.scout.com/a.z?s=121&p=8&c=1&nid=3661620) and T.J. Houshmandzadeh (http://nwe.scout.com/a.z?s=121&p=8&c=1&nid=3661616) in particular) in his time with the Cincinnati Bengals (2004-2006). He spent one season as the Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator (2007) and called the plays for the Washington Redskins (2003). Those close to the situation in Baltimore say Jackson has been instrumental in the development of rookie QB Joe Flacco (http://nwe.scout.com/a.z?s=121&p=8&c=1&nid=3929067), who is putting together a fine season. Jackson also did a good job last season when he helped revive the career of QB Chris Redman (http://nwe.scout.com/a.z?s=121&p=8&c=1&nid=3661865), who had been out of the league for three seasons.

6) Todd Haley/Offensive Coordinator/Arizona Cardinals - Todd Haley is the son of Dick Haley, a long-time personnel man in the NFL. The younger Haley coached the receivers for the New York Jets (http://nyj.scout.com/), Chicago Bears, and Dallas Cowboys since his start in the league back in 1995. He's run the Cardinals offense the last two seasons. He's known as a fiery coach who is not afraid to get in the face of his players. Haley has been largely credited for the development of veteran WR Marty Booker (http://nwe.scout.com/a.z?s=121&p=8&c=1&nid=3634707) who made the Pro Bowl back in 2002. Those who know him well say he wants to be a head coach some day and that certainly could happen based on the productivity of Arizona's offense the last two seasons.

7) Raheem Morris/Defensive Backs Coach/Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://tam.scout.com/) - The 32-year old (turns 33 in September) defensive backs coach was just promoted to defensive coordinator for the 2009 season. Morris is well-versed in Tampa Bay's cover-2 defensive scheme and is known as a really good teacher and for his excellent motivational skills. Because of his age, team sources say he relates to the players quite well and they play hard for him. Age doesn't seem to be a big issue these days based on the head coaching hires over the past few seasons with the likes of Lane Kiffin, Mike Tomlin, and Eric Mangini. As a league source points out, Bill Cowher was just 35 years old when he was named as the Pittsburgh Steelers head coach.

8) Leslie Frazier/Assistant Head Coach-Defensive Coordinator/Minnesota Vikings - Frazier is in his second season Minnesota's defensive coordinator. The soft-spoken veteran coach did an outstanding job coaching the defensive backs for the Philadelphia Eagles from 1999-2002. Several former members of the secondary who played for Frazier back then speak highly of him. He then moved on as Cincinnati's defensive coordinator for two seasons (2003-2004) where league sources said he was surprisingly let go after just two seasons. Sources said head coach Marvin Lewis was looking for a more fiery coach to handle his defense. Frazier coached the defensive backs again with the Indianapolis Colts (http://ind.scout.com/) the next two seasons and then got another chance to run a defense, this time with the Minnesota Vikings. Frazier is a well-respected coach who known who stresses fundamentals and discipline. He had an interview with the Atlanta Falcons for their formally vacant head coaching job earlier this year (eventually went to Mike Smith). Frazier, like Indianapolis head coach Tony Dungy, has proven you don't have to be a screamer to get your point across.

9) Josh McDaniels (http://nwe.scout.com/a.z?s=121&p=8&c=1&nid=3540591)/Quarterbacks Coach-Offensive Coordinator/New England Patriots (http://nwe.scout.com/) - While he turns just 33 this April, McDaniels has worked for the Patriots for eight seasons and he's worked his way up the ladder. After working in the scouting department early in his career, McDaniels has been coaching the quarterbacks since 2004 and has been the team's offensive coordinator since 2006. A former NFL player who was coached by McDaniels told Scout.com that the young coach was probably one of the sharpest offensive minds he's seen and felt McDaniels would be an excellent head coach some day. McDaniels called the plays in QB Tom Brady's record-setting season in 2007 and has done a nice job of bringing along Brady's replacement, Matt Cassell, this season. McDaniels spurned interviews last year for vacant head coaching jobs because he felt he wasn't ready to handle that role.

[KCCHIEFS27]

The Eagles D was horrendous the first half..now the wheels are starting to fall off huh?

[bowener]

Parcells respected him enough for his work in Dallas as WR coach / passing game coordinator (and standing up to TO like no one else does) that he was seriously considering him for HC in Miami, but Haley turned down the interview (don't know why).

Didnt want to be a puppet?

[bowener]

Isn't Boldin wanting out of Az., or does he just want more money or what was the deal when he wanted traded or whatever?

If Haley comes, does he try and convince Clark and Pioli that we need Boldin, and convince Boldin that the Chiefs need him? Just trying to fuel the fecal fires or speculation.

[FringeNC]

If Arizona loses, I wonder if we'll bring him in this week.

[RealSNR]

THANK YOU

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Isn't Boldin wanting out of Az., or does he just want more money or what was the deal when he wanted traded or whatever?

If Haley comes, does he try and convince Clark and Pioli that we need Boldin, and convince Boldin that the Chiefs need him? Just trying to fuel the fecal fires or speculation.

Haley and Boldin just got into a verbal fight on the sidelines lol.

[Shag]

If Arizona loses, I wonder if we'll bring him in this week.

Win or lose, he's free to be interviewed this coming week. I suppose SB prep could affect his desire to be interviewed, though...

[Mr_Tomahawk]

If Arizona loses, I wonder if we'll bring him in this week.

We can bring him in if they win...Clark get your jet out there!

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Win or lose, he's free to be interviewed this coming week. I suppose SB prep could affect his desire to be interviewed, though...

And we could hire him too during the bye week of the Super Bowl I believe.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

We can bring him in if they win...Clark get your jet out there!

....eh...but there is still Herm...I forgot. My dumb.

[Frazod]

One thing I've noticed is that his players don't seem to be showing him much respect. I understand it's a big game, but still...

[The Bad Guy]

One thing I've noticed is that his players don't seem to be showing him much respect. I understand it's a big game, but still...

The big thing for me, is he didn't let it bother him.

He called a brilliant drive to basically win the game.

[bowener]

Haley and Boldin just got into a verbal fight on the sidelines lol.

Nothing like good timing.

[Frazod]

The big thing for me, is he didn't let it bother him.

He called a brilliant drive to basically win the game.

True enough.

[bowener]

Win or lose, he's free to be interviewed this coming week. I suppose SB prep could affect his desire to be interviewed, though...

That is my concern, but 1 phone interview probably wouldn't hurt too bad. Does anyone know if they are paid for their time? Compensation in some form or another?

[milkman]

And we could hire him too during the bye week of the Super Bowl I believe.

He can be interviewed.

Can't hire him until after the SB.

[ChiefsCountry]

Didnt he have some problems in Dallas with some players? That would be my concern.

[FringeNC]

Didnt he have some problems in Dallas with some players? That would be my concern.

He called TO out.

[bowener]

One thing I've noticed is that his players don't seem to be showing him much respect. I understand it's a big game, but still...

Maybe the yelling on the sideline is partially excitement, and the crowd level... I can imagine that:

HALEY: NICE CATCH BOLDIN BABY!!!
BOLDIN: WHAT?!
HALEY: NIIIIICE CATCH!!!
BOLDIN: WHAT?!?!
HALEY: NICE FUCKING CATCH!!!!!
BOLDIN: FUCK YOU BITCH!
HALEY: WHAT?!
BOLDIN: FUUUUCK YOOOOU BITCH!!!
HALEY: NO NO NO, NICE CATCH (hand motions of catch)!!
BOLDIN: OHHHH! THANKS COACH, I LOVE YOU MAN!!
[The two men now embrace each other on the sideline, morphing into one seemingly seamless soul.]

SCENE

[The Bad Guy]

He called TO out.

Well that tells me he's fiery and has balls.

I'm really warming up to this guy.

[bowener]

I must say, I really would like to see the Cardinals play the Ravens.

A great offense versus a great defense.

The Cards D may hold, or it may break. If it breaks it could be an interesting game if the Cards are still able to score a few TD's against the Ravens.

Well, hell, I guess if they play the Steelers it is basically the same damn thing as the Ravens playing them too... so this could be a cool Super Bowl. I am excited to get to see a team that has not been there in a long time. We will get some different stories now leading up to the Super Bowl, no more Tom Brady stories, etc.

edit:

Should be cheer for the Cards to win the SB? If they win, doesn't that give Haley reason to leave since he accomplished a SB as an assistant, now wanting to accomplish it as a HC. Also, I can see how that would give him more credibility amongst the young players since he has proven he can lead an O to the SB...

[milkman]

I must say, I really would like to see the Cardinals play the Ravens.

A great offense versus a great defense.

The Cards D may hold, or it may break. If it breaks it could be an interesting game if the Cards are still able to score a few TD's against the Ravens.

Well, hell, I guess if they play the Steelers it is basically the same damn thing as the Ravens playing them too... so this could be a cool Super Bowl. I am excited to get to see a team that has not been there in a long time. We will get some different stories now leading up to the Super Bowl, no more Tom Brady stories, etc.

edit:

Should be cheer for the Cards to win the SB? If they win, doesn't that give Haley reason to leave since he accomplished a SB as an assistant, now wanting to accomplish it as a HC. Also, I can see how that would give him more credibility amongst the young players since he has proven he can lead an O to the SB...

It'll be all Kurt Warner all the time, again.

[Zouk]

The screen on 3rd and goal was perfection. Of course if he gets stopped everyone would be yelling "How could you not throw it into the endzone!!!!!". But I thought it was as good a playcall as I saw all year. And they also took care to not stop running in the 4th quarter even though it was getting stopped consistently. That helped protect Warner.

[FringeNC]

The screen on 3rd and goal was perfection. Of course if he gets stopped everyone would be yelling "How could you not throw it into the endzone!!!!!". But I thought it was as good a playcall as I saw all year. And they also took care to not stop running in the 4th quarter even though it was getting stopped consistently. That helped protect Warner.

You should get credit for Haley bandwagon. You mentioned him last week. Good call.

[Reerun_KC]

Could Haley adjust to the pistol?


Just keep doubting Thigpen!

[aturnis]

Don't be an idiot. First it was Clark loves soccer, then it was Clark loves mediocrity. Then he goes out and gets the best GM candidate in the last 15-20 years, and now he's an idiot who loves Herm even though his entire coaching staff has been freed to get other jobs. Yeah right.

oh you didn't notice...reerun is.....ummmm.......:evil:

[Reerun_KC]

oh you didn't notice...reerun is.....ummmm.......:evil:

:clap:

Dude, I am sicker than a freaking dog today.... And still my sarcasm meter is still working...

[Zouk]

You should get credit for Haley bandwagon. You mentioned him last week. Good call.

Doesn't mean I'm on it. I still prefer Herm. Even though I agree he'll almost certainly be fired very shortly.

[blueballs]

flavors of the month
fade with the moon

[Reerun_KC]

Doesn't mean I'm on it. I still prefer Herm. Even though I agree he'll almost certainly be fired very shortly.

How can you even say that with a straight face?

[The Bad Guy]

Doesn't mean I'm on it. I still prefer Herm. Even though I agree he'll almost certainly be fired very shortly.

Hilarious that you still prefer Herm.

Tell me, what exactly has he done to warrant your praise?

[The Bad Guy]

How can you even say that with a straight face?

1) Stupidity
2) Relative of Herm
3) Lover of all things 90s Chiefs. Any pipeline we can keep will satisfy some people.

[FringeNC]

Doesn't mean I'm on it. I still prefer Herm. Even though I agree he'll almost certainly be fired very shortly.

You really think Herm would be a good fit with Pioli?

[Reerun_KC]

You really think Herm would be a good fit with Pioli?

You know, I would like to hear him answer that... Zouk can you give us a list of pros/cons on how a successful GM like Pioli can work and succeed with a unqualified coach like Herm?

[the Talking Can]

Shefter's blog:

so is schefter saying that he has heard KC is interested, or is he just pointing out a connection in the coaching tree as a hypothetical?

[bowener]

There is still a large reservoir of Herm-lovers on the net, most can be found on the forums at footballsfuture.

It is a sad sad thing to see grown men personally sewing wool over their own eyes, but denial is a hell of a thing.

[FringeNC]

so is schefter saying that he has heard KC is interested, or is he just pointing out a connection in the coaching tree as a hypothetical?

It's hard to read anything more into than speculation by Shefter, IMHO.

[dj56dt58]

I must say, I really would like to see the Cardinals play the Ravens.

A great offense versus a great defense.

The Cards D may hold, or it may break. If it breaks it could be an interesting game if the Cards are still able to score a few TD's against the Ravens.

Well, hell, I guess if they play the Steelers it is basically the same damn thing as the Ravens playing them too... so this could be a cool Super Bowl. I am excited to get to see a team that has not been there in a long time. We will get some different stories now leading up to the Super Bowl, no more Tom Brady stories, etc.

edit:

Should be cheer for the Cards to win the SB? If they win, doesn't that give Haley reason to leave since he accomplished a SB as an assistant, now wanting to accomplish it as a HC. Also, I can see how that would give him more credibility amongst the young players since he has proven he can lead an O to the SB...



You do realize the Steelers were #1 in most defensive categories right?

[Oz_Chief]

Cowboys | Haley suing a suburban McDonald's
Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:31:00 -0700

The Associated Press reports Dallas Cowboys passing game coordinator Todd Haley is suing a suburban McDonald's after claiming his wife and their family's live-in babysitter found a dead rat in their salad. The lawsuit filed Thursday, Oct. 26 in state district court seeks $1.7 million in damages, according to The Dallas Morning News.

A spokesman for the family, Scott Casterline, said the rat was about six inches long and found on its back with its mouth opened. Casterline said the women didn't find the rat until taking the salad home to eat and that a manager from the McDonald's "didn't offer any comfort" after driving to their house to see the rat.

The suit was filed after McDonald's failed to follow through on promises "to make things right," according to Casterline.

The lawsuit claims the two women had eaten part of the salad purchased June 5 before the dead rodent was uncovered. Both became violently ill and endured long-lasting physical injuries, according to the lawsuit.

[bowener]

You do realize the Steelers were #1 in most defensive categories right?

Yes. That would make for a great game I think, well as long as the Cards can block for Warner, otherwise it will be a slaughter.

[eazyb81]

Haley and Boldin just got into a verbal fight on the sidelines lol.

Yeah what was the deal with that? What a selfish act by Boldin - your team is on the verge of making the Super Bowl, and you're arguing with your offensive coordinator over - presumably - playing time or reception opportunities? Dumbass.

By the way, here's the scoop on the Haley/TO spat. Not exactly a black mark for Haley.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2626816

Owens said on his radio show Friday that his relationship with Haley was ruined by a blowup this week. It began when Owens missed the start of Wednesday's practice because of an upset stomach, and Haley berated him for being late. Owens held his tongue then, but they later argued during a meeting.

The story getting out seems to bother Owens the most because Haley vowed since training camp that all internal matters would stay behind closed doors. Owens spoke with reporters for 45 minutes Wednesday without ever mentioning any problems with Haley. But the incident was reported by several media outlets Friday before Owens gave his side of the story later on his weekly show.

From now on, T.O. said, "there will be nothing else, no other dialogue" between him and Haley.

------

I still expect Pioli to hire a head coach that has his roots on the defensive side of the ball, but Haley is an interesting candidate.

[unothadeal]

There's no chance of him coming here as OC is there? There needs to be a promotion?

[Zouk]

You know, I would like to hear him answer that... Zouk can you give us a list of pros/cons on how a successful GM like Pioli can work and succeed with a unqualified coach like Herm?

Search my posts in the archive. My opinion hasn't changed and I ain't gonna argue with you anymore. Unqualified coaches don't have 4 playoff appearances in the much tougher AFC over the last decade without ever having a top notch QB.

[Reerun_KC]

Search my posts in the archive. My opinion hasn't changed and I ain't gonna argue with you anymore. Unqualified coaches don't have 4 playoff appearances in the much tougher AFC over the last decade without ever having a top notch QB.

ROFL

Yeah okay, thanks Zouk.....

ROFL

Yes Herm is Unqualifed even on the defensive coordinator level... But you just keep the faith... We will miss you when he is gone...

[RealSNR]

Cowboys | Haley suing a suburban McDonald's
Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:31:00 -0700

The Associated Press reports Dallas Cowboys passing game coordinator Todd Haley is suing a suburban McDonald's after claiming his wife and their family's live-in babysitter found a dead rat in their salad. The lawsuit filed Thursday, Oct. 26 in state district court seeks $1.7 million in damages, according to The Dallas Morning News.

A spokesman for the family, Scott Casterline, said the rat was about six inches long and found on its back with its mouth opened. Casterline said the women didn't find the rat until taking the salad home to eat and that a manager from the McDonald's "didn't offer any comfort" after driving to their house to see the rat.

The suit was filed after McDonald's failed to follow through on promises "to make things right," according to Casterline.

The lawsuit claims the two women had eaten part of the salad purchased June 5 before the dead rodent was uncovered. Both became violently ill and endured long-lasting physical injuries, according to the lawsuit.ROFL

Now I REALLY want this guy

[Hydrae]

I am all for anybody that is != Herm.

FYP :)

[DJ's left nut]

The big thing for me, is he didn't let it bother him.

He called a brilliant drive to basically win the game.

That matters a lot more for a head coach, though.

Your coordinators can take the bullets and call a game without caring. Your HC, on the other hand, absolutely has to be able to stop that crap. Otherwise you end up with Wade Phillips.

After watching both Boldin and Warner pop off on him, I moved him off my list.

But Scott hasn't asked me yet, so Haley has that going for him...

[The Bad Guy]

Search my posts in the archive. My opinion hasn't changed and I ain't gonna argue with you anymore. Unqualified coaches don't have 4 playoff appearances in the much tougher AFC over the last decade without ever having a top notch QB.

Yawn.

Qualified coaches don't go 6-26 in a 2 year period.

You fucking act like he won a SB.

When Herm leaves, you should too.

[the Talking Can]

Yawn.

Qualified coaches don't go 6-26 in a 2 year period.

You ****ing act like he won a SB.

When Herm leaves, you should too.

zouk's a smart poster

he just has a blind spot on herm

[The Bad Guy]

zouk's a smart poster

he just has a blind spot on herm

You can't be smart and support Herman Edwards.

Sorry.

[FringeNC]

Search my posts in the archive. My opinion hasn't changed and I ain't gonna argue with you anymore. Unqualified coaches don't have 4 playoff appearances in the much tougher AFC over the last decade without ever having a top notch QB.

Before Pennington's arm injury he was highest rated QB of all-time, I think.

[KC kid]

Did anyone else read Haley's lips when he and Boldin were arguing? Two times he said, "Don't call me that."

[Zouk]

When Herm leaves, you should too.

Why don't you just put me on ignore? What's your problem?

[The Bad Guy]

Why don't you just put me on ignore? What's your problem?

It will be more fun watching your meltdown when Herm is gone.

[Reerun_KC]

It will be more fun watching your meltdown when Herm is gone.

He arrived about the end of DV's Tenure and has been tooting Herms little horn since...

I would imagine he will be gone soon....

[cdcox]

He arrived about the end of DV's Tenure and has been tooting Herms little horn since...

I would imagine he will be gone soon....

I don't understand why Zouk likes Herm, but he won't run after he's gone. He's not entirely one-dimensional as a poster.

[Zouk]

It will be more fun watching your meltdown when Herm is gone.

Do you think I'm going to come on here weeping? I know he's going to be fired this week, this is not a surprise to me.

[Danman]

I've been pinping Haley for a couple days now in other posts. That being said, I too am concerned with the spats between him and players today. Still an interesting option.

[FloridaMan88]

Search my posts in the archive. My opinion hasn't changed and I ain't gonna argue with you anymore. Unqualified coaches don't have 4 playoff appearances in the much tougher AFC over the last decade without ever having a top notch QB.

Herm only has 1 playoff appearance in KC and he essentially had to have 50 miracles to happen to back his way into that playoff appearance (probably one of the worst playoff teams since the merger).

Since then he has won 6 games.

[Frankie]

this is whos pioli is waiting on

link?

[ChiefRon]

I've been pinping Haley for a couple days now in other posts. That being said, I too am concerned with the spats between him and players today. Still an interesting option.

Doesn't concern me, Bolding was obviously whining about not being in there...

[RealSNR]

Really, doesn't that show leadership if he's arguing with Boldin in the middle of a game-winning drive? Boldin's probably pissed about the playcalling and Haley pretty much says, "here's how it's done, now leave."

Would you rather he pull a Mike Singletary and send him to the locker room like a parent sends a child to his room?

[cdcox]

Really, doesn't that show leadership if he's arguing with Boldin in the middle of a game-winning drive? Boldin's probably pissed about the playcalling and Haley pretty much says, "here's how it's done, now leave."

Would you rather he pull a Mike Singletary and send him to the locker room like a parent sends a child to his room?

The fact that a player would argue with a coach during a game shows a that they don't respect him. Maybe it says more about the player than the coach, but I think it reflects badly on both. Those boundaries should have been established long, long ago.

[KCCHIEFS27]

IMO, Todd Haley didn't do near as much for that offense this year than Kurt Warner did.

[Mecca]

Todd Haley wasn't very well liked when he coached the WR's in Dallas either.....

Being concerned about his relationship with players is a legit concern, as far as I know in his stays he's had numerous problems and spats with players.

[RealSNR]

I'm just glad he's not a fucking Italian piece of crap!

[Mr_Tomahawk]

The fact that a player would argue with a coach during a game shows a that they don't respect him. Maybe it says more about the player than the coach, but I think it reflects badly on both. Those boundaries should have been established long, long ago.

It was one guy...I point fingers at Boldin....he has been unhappy for a while now ever since he hasn't received the big money he wants. Now if Fitzgerald was mouthing off....then yeah...I would point fingers at Haley. But in this instance, Fitz had 3 touchdowns and I dont think Boldin liked not being in the spotlight.

As for the Cowboys...well that whole team is/was/has been dysfunctional for some time now...so I'm not touching that.

[eazyb81]

It was one guy...I point fingers at Boldin....he has been unhappy for a while now ever since he hasn't received the big money he wants. Now if Fitzgerald was mouthing off....then yeah...I would point fingers at Haley. But in this instance, Fitz had 3 touchdowns and I dont think Boldin liked not being in the spotlight.

As for the Cowboys...well that whole team is/was/has been dysfunctional for some time now...so I'm not touching that.

What about when Warner was yapping at him early in the game on the sideline? It wasn't as hostile as the Boldin situation appeared, but I can't imagine a player doing that to, say, Belichick.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

What about when Warner was yapping at him early in the game on the sideline? It wasn't as hostile as the Boldin situation appeared, but I can't imagine a player doing that to, say, Belichick.

Ya I remember seeing that....I don't feel either of them were as animated as you said compared to the Boldin incident. I didn't read into it that much, viewed it as them yelling over the crowd noise...

Emotions are high during their first NFC Championship game ever, and in the end it was the Offense that put together a well orchestrated drive to win them the game. I didn't consciously pay much attention to the Cards offensive coaching this year, but I don't recall hearing about any issues. eh...who knows..

[FringeNC]

It was one guy...I point fingers at Boldin....he has been unhappy for a while now ever since he hasn't received the big money he wants. Now if Fitzgerald was mouthing off....then yeah...I would point fingers at Haley. But in this instance, Fitz had 3 touchdowns and I dont think Boldin liked not being in the spotlight.

As for the Cowboys...well that whole team is/was/has been dysfunctional for some time now...so I'm not touching that.

It's irrelevant anyway. Scott Pioli is not Jerry Jones. No player insubordination is going to be tolerated under Pioli. That's the New England way, and that's way Pioli meant when he said the roster isn't going to be the best 53, but the right 53.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

It's irrelevant anyway. Scott Pioli is not Jerry Jones. No player insubordination is going to be tolerated under Pioli. That's the New England way, and that's way Pioli meant when he said the roster isn't going to be the best 53, but the right 53.

...Yup...I love it too...get LJ outta here.

[chiefzilla1501]

Todd Haley wasn't very well liked when he coached the WR's in Dallas either.....

Being concerned about his relationship with players is a legit concern, as far as I know in his stays he's had numerous problems and spats with players.

Yes. We have to stop evaluating coaches based on their X's and O's. It's important, but the #1 thing you can do is know how to manage a team, a game, and your coaches, as well as how to be the face of the organization. It's the absolute most important quality of a team.

Case-in-point... Tomlin is a defensive guy and his specialty is the Tampa 2, but he has Lebeau and Arenas to do all the dirty work. But yet, he's a hell of a coach. Why? Because he knows how to lead.

[EyePod]

I don't know if this is a good thing for a coach though:

"Just the emotions of the game," Haley said. "We're emotional guys. Like I said, I wear my heart on my sleeve and that's the way I go about business and I have to deal with that on a full-time basis."

(He's talking about Boldin)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3843834

[Reerun_KC]

I don't know if this is a good thing for a coach though:

"Just the emotions of the game," Haley said. "We're emotional guys. Like I said, I wear my heart on my sleeve and that's the way I go about business and I have to deal with that on a full-time basis."

(He's talking about Boldin)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3843834

sounds like Gunther, but on offense...

[DaWolf]

This move would not excite me at all. I wouldn't see it as much of an upgrade over a Herm type. Doesn't strike me as a dynamic enough personality. I'm not sure I'd fall in love with a guy as a candidate based on a single playoff run with a QB and WR who got hot at the right time. Coaching in this division and in the KC weather is a different beast, and running your own team is a different thing in itself.

That said, whoever Pioli ultimately decides will be a good match to his personality and philosophy, I'll support. I'm going to give Pioli five years to built this team into a perennial winner...

[FringeNC]

Yes. We have to stop evaluating coaches based on their X's and O's. It's important, but the #1 thing you can do is know how to manage a team, a game, and your coaches, as well as how to be the face of the organization. It's the absolute most important quality of a team.



I think Pioli wants an Xs and Os guy. We're going to try to be New England West, with disciplined, smart football players who don't need constant hand-holding by the head coach.

I could be wrong -- we could retain Herm Edwards, or hire someone similar -- but I doubt it.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

I think Pioli wants an Xs and Os guy. We're going to try to be New England West, with disciplined, smart football players who don't need constant hand-holding by the head coach.

I could be wrong -- we could retain Herm Edwards, or hire someone similar -- but I doubt it.

Sorry...I'm confused, :D Do you doubt you're wrong? Do you doubt we will retain Hermroid? ....or do you doubt we will hire someone similar?

[eazyb81]

Further insight on the Boldin situation (what a selfish f#ck):


He tried to ruin the Super Bowl celebration with his childishness.

In the game, Boldin got into a heated argument with offensive coordinator Todd Haley. After the game, instead of celebrating with his team, Boldin abruptly left the field, then abruptly left the locker room.

It was awful behavior.

Quarterback Kurt Warner also got into an argument with Haley during the game but you didn't see Warner acting like a petulant child afterwards. He celebrated with his teammates and enjoyed the moment.

I have to say in nearly 20 years of doing this, I've never seen a player more concerned about his arguing with a coach over making a Super Bowl.

What Boldin did almost never happens.

Congratulations on making history, Anquan.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6264363/13040597



Haley's brief discussion about it after the game:


Not everyone was congratulating offensive coordinator Todd Haley on his play calling Sunday.

On the team's game-winning drive, the television broadcast showed receiver Anquan Boldin in a heated exchange with Haley.

Boldin declined comment about it after the game, and Haley called it "a heat of the moment" situation.

"We changed personnel groups out there and I put Steve Breaston in for (Boldin)," Haley said, "and he was upset about it."

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/01/18/20090118spt-cardsnb.html

[EyePod]

This move would not excite me at all. I wouldn't see it as much of an upgrade over a Herm type. Doesn't strike me as a dynamic enough personality. I'm not sure I'd fall in love with a guy as a candidate based on a single playoff run with a QB and WR who got hot at the right time. Coaching in this division and in the KC weather is a different beast, and running your own team is a different thing in itself.

That said, whoever Pioli ultimately decides will be a good match to his personality and philosophy, I'll support. I'm going to give Pioli five years to built this team into a perennial winner...

Don't be an idiot. Larry Fitz didn't "get hot at the right time." He's amazing, always has been amazing, and is just finally getting recognition for what he's deserved throughout his career..

[EyePod]

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6264363/13040597


I agree with this, but I think that it's just a fanblog, and not anyone of consequence.

[chiefzilla1501]

I think Pioli wants an Xs and Os guy. We're going to try to be New England West, with disciplined, smart football players who don't need constant hand-holding by the head coach.

I could be wrong -- we could retain Herm Edwards, or hire someone similar -- but I doubt it.

I don't doubt that it's important, but it's overrated. You can be a really solid fundamentals football coach even if you don't have outstanding football intelligence. But I think it's more important that the coach set the tone. He needs to demand hard-nose football, but let's face it--these days, the coordinators are the ones that are calling the plays and the assistant coaches are the ones working directly with the players. A head coach simply does not have enough arms, legs, and brains to individually coach everybody.

Now, I know football doesn't always copy the real world, but in the real world, the best managers are the ones that know how to delegate and know how to work with people. There are a ton of super-talented people who never succeed because they insist on taking everything themself because they don't trust others to do their job. And so, like any management position, the head coach's job isn't to sit down and write up creative plays and coach players individually himself. It is his job to make sure that all pieces of the team are operating well.

He has to know the X's and O's and he has to know fundamentals, but it's far more important that he know how to manage people who can do it.

[Frankie]

Todd Haley wasn't very well liked when he coached the WR's in Dallas either.....

Being concerned about his relationship with players is a legit concern, as far as I know in his stays he's had numerous problems and spats with players.

And the lawsuit thing does not really help my confidence about his personality.

[FringeNC]

I don't doubt that it's important, but it's overrated. You can be a really solid fundamentals football coach even if you don't have outstanding football intelligence. But I think it's more important that the coach set the tone. He needs to demand hard-nose football, but let's face it--these days, the coordinators are the ones that are calling the plays and the assistant coaches are the ones working directly with the players. A head coach simply does not have enough arms, legs, and brains to individually coach everybody.

Now, I know football doesn't always copy the real world, but in the real world, the best managers are the ones that know how to delegate and know how to work with people. There are a ton of super-talented people who never succeed because they insist on taking everything themself because they don't trust others to do their job. And so, like any management position, the head coach's job isn't to sit down and write up creative plays and coach players individually himself. It is his job to make sure that all pieces of the team are operating well.

He has to know the X's and O's and he has to know fundamentals, but it's far more important that he know how to manage people who can do it.

I don't disagree with any particular thing you said. Most football coaches know enough Xs and Os to satisfy Pioli. Herm is one of those who does not.

[Frankie]

sounds like Gunther, but on offense...

See, that's what I am afraid of. I don't mind an animated emotional coach, but not a crazy one. I'm not saying Haley is the latter, but we have to be careful and thoroughly analyze him.

[chiefzilla1501]

I don't disagree with any particular thing you said. Most football coaches know enough Xs and Os to satisfy Pioli. Herm is one of those who does not.

Could be. I don't think Herm will be fired for the X's and O's, though. I think he'll be fired because he doesn't subscribe to the tough, hard-nosed, fundamentally flawless football that I'm sure Pioli wants to promote.

The key distinction is that you can find that mentality in a positions coach, even if they don't have the same X's and O's experience as coordinators.

[Titty Meat]

Russ Grimm > Todd Haley

[Mr. Laz]

Haley has as much offensive talent in Arizona as almost anyone in the league.


would be a better indication of what he can do with LESS talent.