Collinsworth: Haley will be Chiefs' new coach

[DaWolf]

http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/638
Collinsworth: Haley will be Chiefs' new coach

NBC Sports analyst Cris Collinsworth expects Arizona Cardinals offensive coordinator Todd Haley to become the Chiefs’ next head coach.

It’s becoming more apparent that the Chiefs are waiting until after the Super Bowl to identify their next head coach _ or why not send Herm Edwards to the Senior Bowl and let him replace assistants who are fleeing?

Collinsworth, who spent time with Haley before covering the Cardinals’ wild-card win over Atlanta for NBC and will work the Super Bowl, said Haley’s star has risen higher than anyone’s during the playoffs.

“I think he’ll be the coach in Kansas City,” Collinsworth told me Tuesday on a teleconference.

“I’m watching what’s happening with all the (new) coaches, and we’ve seen some of the defensive coaches come off the board, and the one guy nobody is talking about that has surprised me, and it’s because (the Cardinals) flew so far under the radar screen, was Haley. He’s not under the radar screen anymore.

“The biggest winner who has come out of this run by the Arizona Cardinals has been Todd Haley.”

Haley worked with new Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli with the New York Jets during 1997-99.

Some have speculated Pioli may hire Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz, but Ferentz' son, James, will be a sophomore offensive lineman on the Hawkeyes' football team next season, and it's hard to believe Kirk will want to walk away from that.

And if Ferentz was the choice, why not make the move now?

Sometimes, timing is everything.

For more on what Collinsworth said about Haley, check out Wednesday's Kansas City Star.

[keg in kc]

Interesting.

Makes sense with all the voodoo silence.

[Dayze]

Interesting. I don't know much about him; but I did hear some interesting commentary about him during the NFC Championship game in which one of the announcers said something to the effect of "He's not a players coach; he's more of the Parcells mold" etc.

I got the impression he's not the type to take sh*t from players (although Boldin tried his best).

Should this happen, it'll be intersting to see the personality conflicts between him and LJ. lol

[nychief]

interesting.

[Amnorix]

Well, that would explain alot...

[ClevelandBronco]

Finally a decent theory.

[Archie Bunker]

Sounds good to me. Grimm could be a possibility as well.

[penguinz]

I would like to see this pick.

[Demonpenz]

my only question is if this is for '10

[Extra Point]

Finally a decent theory.

Agreed.

[Fritz88]

I like the dude. But is he really that good. To be honest, I think the Cards got this far because everyone underestimated them.

If they win the SB. I am totally sold on him. No questions asked.

[FloridaMan88]

Todd Haley would bring in an aggressive offense to the Chiefs... I'm all for it.

Todd Haley and Jim Haslett as defensive coordinator?

[dj56dt58]

Interesting. I don't know much about him; but I did hear some interesting commentary about him during the NFC Championship game in which one of the announcers said something to the effect of "He's not a players coach; he's more of the Parcells mold" etc.

I got the impression he's not the type to take sh*t from players (although Boldin tried his best).

Should this happen, it'll be intersting to see the personality conflicts between him and LJ. lol

If LJ returns..I think it's best we move on

[Fritz88]

I know that some ****er will come and make fun of this so might as well do it myself.




If they win the SB. I am totally sold on him. No questions asked.

Really? glad SB is good enough for you. Dick Head.

[eazyb81]

Hmmm. Intriguing article. Thanks for posting.

I thought for sure that Pioli would go after a coach that has his roots on the defensive side of the ball.

Why not can Herm now and hire Haley after the SB?

[Fritz88]

Jim Haslett as defensive coordinator?

http://andrearf.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-orange-meh-cat.jpg

[The Franchise]

Todd Haley would bring in an aggressive offense to the Chiefs... I'm all for it.

Todd Haley and Jim Haslett as defensive coordinator?

1st sentence = This.

2nd sentence = No.

[penguinz]

I like the dude. But is he really that good. To be honest, I think the Cards got this far because everyone underestimated them.

If they win the SB. I am totally sold on him. No questions asked.They go this far because they have a WR that is big, strong and fast. Fitz had his way with facing two Pro Bowl CB's

[The Franchise]

Is it true that we can interview him during the week before the SB....but we can't hire him until after it?

[penguinz]

Is it true that we can interview him during the week before the SB....but we can't hire him until after it?If AZ gives us permission to interview then we can.

[The Franchise]

They go this far because they have a WR that is big, strong and fast. Fitz had his way with facing two Pro Bowl CB's

Not only Fitzgerald but they have an o-line that's good, a QB who knows what he's doing and an opportunistic defense.

[The Bad Guy]

I would be for it.

I don't want Haslett.

I'd really like to get Sean McDermott to coach the defense.

[Molitoth]

I trust Pioli for now so I'm fine with whomever he thinks he can build a championship team.

[morphius]

It is hard for me to get excited about a guy who gets to game plan with Boldin and Fitzgerald. Sort of like Culpepper getting called a great QB when he was playing with Moss and Carter. But I don't know this guys history, so my mind could be easily changed.

[ChiefRon]

This would make sense, and I would be all for it.

Then again, I'm not going to question anything Pioli does. He's earned the benefit of the doubt.

[The Bad Guy]

It is hard for me to get excited about a guy who gets to game plan with Boldin and Fitzgerald. Sort of like Culpepper getting called a great QB when he was playing with Moss and Carter. But I don't know this guys history, so my mind could be easily changed.

Mike Martz was called an offensive genius when he had Faulk, Holt, Bruce and a great line.

Spagnuolo had Strahan, Tuck, Osi, he's called a genius.

Good coaches don't have to make shit shine. Good coaches take good talent and put them in positions to be successful.

[ChiefRon]

Todd Haley would bring in an aggressive offense to the Chiefs... I'm all for it.

Todd Haley and Jim Haslett as defensive coordinator?

I would prefer Haley with Romeo Crennel as the DC, but I have no idea if this would even be possible.

[Molitoth]

Good coaches take good talent and put them in positions to be successful


I like that quote.

:clap:

[DeezNutz]

Good coaches don't have to make shit shine.

Well, that assures his fate with this roster.

[DaWolf]

On the positive side, he is deeply schooled in the Steeler way of things as his dad worked for the Steelers in a personnel director. He's also a disciple of Parcells. He's also in the Super Bowl.

On the negative side, he's an overly emotional coach who has gotten into screaming matches his last two stops with players on the sidelines, and he's the coach on a team that finished 9-7 in the tremendously weak NFC West.

On the positive side, his Cardinals offense finished 4th, 4th, and 2nd in points, yards, and passing yards.

On the negative side, his offense compiled a lot of those numbers against the, again, tremendously weak NFC West and played in a warm climate city. His rushing offense finished dead last (72 yards a game) and that wouldn't cut it coaching in Kansas City in the cold weather.

I'd have to see who his assistants would be because I'm not sold on him as a head coach at all...

[ChiefRon]

Good coaches don't have to make shit shine. Good coaches take good talent and put them in positions to be successful.

Good coaches also improve players, as well as knowing how to utilize their strengths and disguise / shield their weaknesses.

[BigRedChief]

It is hard for me to get excited about a guy who gets to game plan with Boldin and Fitzgerald. Sort of like Culpepper getting called a great QB when he was playing with Moss and Carter. But I don't know this guys history, so my mind could be easily changed.
He's a branch of the Parcells tree. Pioli worked with the guy for 2 years. If Pioli says he's the guy thats good enough for me to give him a chance.

But jeeezz we have Parcells and Cohwer rumors out there also. Who really knows WTH is going on?

[WilliamTheIrish]

It is hard for me to get excited about a guy who gets to game plan with Boldin and Fitzgerald. Sort of like Culpepper getting called a great QB when he was playing with Moss and Carter. But I don't know this guys history, so my mind could be easily changed.

What would it take for you get excited? And I'm not asking that in a "reach around" kind of way.

[keg in kc]

Mike Martz was called an offensive genius when he had Faulk, Holt, Bruce and a great line.

Spagnuolo had Strahan, Tuck, Osi, he's called a genius.

Good coaches don't have to make shit shine. Good coaches take good talent and put them in positions to be successful.Al Saunders here versus Al Saunders in Washington. Gunther Cunningham in 1995 versus Gunther Cunningham in 2005.

It's a mutually-beneficial thing. Coaches help players shine, players help coaches shine. If there's a weak link either place you're boned. Although i think the right player combinations can make good coaches look brilliant. True geniouses are few and far between, and I don't know that there's any coach so good that he can turn a bad roster into a good team. Only so much polishing you can give a turd. But, if the whole 'patriots way' thing works, we'll find coaches who can turn an average to good unit, talent-wise, into a great one.

[The Bad Guy]

Good coaches also improve players, as well as knowing how to utilize their strengths and disguise / shield their weaknesses.

What Cardinal starters didn't improve with Haley?

Tim Hightower developed into a decent RB.

Fitz and Boldin were studs.

Kurt Warner returned to dominance with him.

The Parcells coaching tree has been pretty strong.

[The Bad Guy]

What's also big is that Haley's dad was a front office guy for the Steelers.

[Basileus777]

On the positive side, he is deeply schooled in the Steeler way of things as his dad worked for the Steelers in a personnel director. He's also a disciple of Parcells. He's also in the Super Bowl.

On the negative side, he's an overly emotional coach who has gotten into screaming matches his last two stops with players on the sidelines, and he's the coach on a team that finished 9-7 in the tremendously weak NFC West.

On the positive side, his Cardinals offense finished 4th, 4th, and 2nd in points, yards, and passing yards.

On the negative side, his offense compiled a lot of those numbers against the, again, tremendously weak NFC West and played in a warm climate city. His rushing offense finished dead last (72 yards a game) and that wouldn't cut it coaching in Kansas City in the cold weather.

I'd have to see who his assistants would be because I'm not sold on him as a head coach at all...

It's kind of hard to use the NFC West excuse when his offense just shredded the NFC South and NFC East on the way to the Superbowl.

[BWillie]

This is the guy that even admitted that he's not a players coach.

[CoMoChief]

Bowe will turn into Fitzgerald now. OH FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!

[ChiefRon]

It's kind of hard to use the NFC West excuse when his offense just shredded the NFC South and NFC East on the way to the Superbowl.

This.

They just dominated Atlanta and Carolina, and that was a brilliant gameplan against the Eagles.

[The Bad Guy]

This is the guy that even admitted that he's not a players coach.

When did he do that?

Besides dealing with TO and Boldin's blowup, when has there been a problem with him?

[ChiefRon]

What Cardinal starters didn't improve with Haley?

Tim Hightower developed into a decent RB.

Fitz and Boldin were studs.

Kurt Warner returned to dominance with him.

The Parcells coaching tree has been pretty strong.

My point exactly.

I would be stoked with Haley as the HC, although I would be anxiously awaiting his selection of DC.

[eazyb81]

On the positive side, he is deeply schooled in the Steeler way of things as his dad worked for the Steelers in a personnel director. He's also a disciple of Parcells. He's also in the Super Bowl.

On the negative side, he's an overly emotional coach who has gotten into screaming matches his last two stops with players on the sidelines, and he's the coach on a team that finished 9-7 in the tremendously weak NFC West.

On the positive side, his Cardinals offense finished 4th, 4th, and 2nd in points, yards, and passing yards.

On the negative side, his offense compiled a lot of those numbers against the, again, tremendously weak NFC West and played in a warm climate city. His rushing offense finished dead last (72 yards a game) and that wouldn't cut it coaching in Kansas City in the cold weather.

I'd have to see who his assistants would be because I'm not sold on him as a head coach at all...

I would hardly hold the Boldin situation against him - it was clear that Boldin was being a primadonna bitch and was crying about playing time. The guy didn't even stay for his team's Super Bowl celebration in the locker room.

I'm not sure of the other situation you're referring to, but I'm guessing it's the T.O. situation. He didn't argue with him on the sideline, but he did call T.O. out for basically being a pussy. Then T.O. went to Jerry Jones to cry, and shit hit the fan.

If anything, it appears Haley is a coach that doesn't take shit from players. Parcells acts the same way.

[the Talking Can]

This is the guy that even admitted that he's not a players coach.

is that a bad thing?

[CupidStunt]

This is the guy that even admitted that he's not a players coach.

Brilliant. We need someone to smack mouthy biotch players around, not coddle them.

[Molitoth]

Brilliant. We need someone to smack mouthy biotch players around, not coddle them.

This. +1. QFT.

[DeezNutz]

This is the guy that even admitted that he's not a players coach.

Which makes him very Tuna-like.

[morphius]

Mike Martz was called an offensive genius when he had Faulk, Holt, Bruce and a great line.

Spagnuolo had Strahan, Tuck, Osi, he's called a genius.

Good coaches don't have to make shit shine. Good coaches take good talent and put them in positions to be successful.
Don't get me wrong, I'll give the guy a chance if he is the guy. But I remember Billick being a great offensive mind in MN as well, and not having a single good offense while coaching the Ravens. But Billick is also the reason I would give the guy a chance, as Billick did get his team to win the Superbowl.

[DeezNutz]

Brilliant. We need someone to smack mouthy biotch players around, not coddle them.

Larry better keep his mouth guard in.

[raybec 4]

Which makes him very Tuna-like.

Exactly, nobody was bitching about Parcells not getting along with players while he was winning. Hell, he even got along with Meshawn. W's cure alot of the bitching.

[Molitoth]

Don't get me wrong, I'll give the guy a chance if he is the guy. But I remember Billick being a great offensive mind in MN as well, and not having a single good offense while coaching the Ravens. But Billick is also the reason I would give the guy a chance, as Billick did get his team to win the Superbowl.

I used to hate Billick, but I actually like him now. Not that it has anything to do with this thread.

[eazyb81]

Bottom line, Pioli worked with Todd Haley and his father for 4 years with the Jets.

Pioli knows him very well, and if says Todd Haley is the right man for the job, that's all I need to hear. This is the reason why we made him the highest paid GM in the league.

[kc rush]

Interesting. Its hard to tell though if Collinsworth is just taking an educated guess or if he has some inside info on this.

[BWillie]

My point exactly.

I would be stoked with Haley as the HC, although I would be anxiously awaiting his selection of DC.

he said it in phone interview last night on espn. I was listening to it. He said and I quote "I'm not a players coach" and basically that sometimes those things happen. Just found it to be kind of an odd thing to say for a guy that is wanting a head coaching job. If it was me, I would of phrased it differently.

[evolve27]

Pass happy offense here we come, round 2!!

[the Talking Can]

Exactly, nobody was bitching about Parcells not getting along with players while he was winning. Hell, he even got along with Meshawn. W's cure alot of the bitching.

players respect authority up to a point...it's a good thing...fear works too as long you're winning...

saw a bit on the miami turnaround, and the players said that as soon as parcells showed up everything changed...it was shape up or ship out...and you couldn't be injured, if you were injured you were a pariah...guys got tougher, stopped complaining, and got to work....

it can work....but you have to have success or it blows up

[RealSNR]

On the positive side, he is deeply schooled in the Steeler way of things as his dad worked for the Steelers in a personnel director. He's also a disciple of Parcells. He's also in the Super Bowl.

On the negative side, he's an overly emotional coach who has gotten into screaming matches his last two stops with players on the sidelines, and he's the coach on a team that finished 9-7 in the tremendously weak NFC West.

On the positive side, his Cardinals offense finished 4th, 4th, and 2nd in points, yards, and passing yards.

On the negative side, his offense compiled a lot of those numbers against the, again, tremendously weak NFC West and played in a warm climate city. His rushing offense finished dead last (72 yards a game) and that wouldn't cut it coaching in Kansas City in the cold weather.

I'd have to see who his assistants would be because I'm not sold on him as a head coach at all...Boldin and Fitz were interviewed today. Boldin said it was because Haley didn't put him on the field on the final drive, and Boldin "just wants to win so badly."

Fitz said that stuff happens all the time on the sideline, it's just never noticed. Also, the Boldin issue hasn't affected the locker room at all.

Boldin was being a crybaby, but you're gonna have a few of those. That's not Haley's fault in any way. If anything, it's Wisenhunt's fault, since he's in charge of keeping the house in order.

[DMAC]

Not to make fun of how someone looks...

All I will say is, when I picture a guy named Todd, this is exactly what I picture.

http://www.azcardinals.com/team/headshots/haley_todd.jpg

[ChiefRon]

I would hardly hold the Boldin situation against him - it was clear that Boldin was being a primadonna bitch and was crying about playing time. The guy didn't even stay for his team's Super Bowl celebration in the locker room.


Actually, I see it differently. I think Boldin is just highly competitive, and wanted to be a part of the game-winning drive. He wasn't 100%, so Haley went with Breaston, and Boldin didn't like it.

He also skipped the celebration because he didn't want the attention to be on him instead of his team's accomplishment.

[bishop_74]

I love this idea! Someone new with fresh ideas, who attacks on offense. LOVE IT!!!!

[BigMeatballDave]

Actually, I see it differently. I think Boldin is just highly competitive, and wanted to be a part of the game-winning drive. He wasn't 100%, so Haley went with Breaston, and Boldin didn't like it.

He also skipped the celebration because he didn't want the attention to be on him instead of his team's accomplishment.Seems like a nice way of saying Bolden is a selfish crybaby...

[Brock]

Actually, I see it differently. I think Boldin is just highly competitive, and wanted to be a part of the game-winning drive. He wasn't 100%, so Haley went with Breaston, and Boldin didn't like it.

He also skipped the celebration because he didn't want the attention to be on him instead of his team's accomplishment.


what? skipping the celebration got more attention than the celebration.

[DMAC]

I love this idea! Someone new with fresh ideas, who attacks on offense. LOVE IT!!!!You would attack too if you had the best receiving corp in NFL history.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I like Haley because he said in an interview that he's NOT a players' coach.

[ChiefRon]

what? skipping the celebration got more attention than the celebration.

:)

QFT.

Ironic, huh?

[KCrockaholic]

I would love this guy! I said just last night, it would be cool if the chiefs could get Todd Haley. I hope its true. If this isnt true...maybe the Cowher one will be.

[KCrockaholic]

I guess this rules out Boldin in a Chiefs uniform. I dont want that anyway. I would rather have Fitz

[ChiefRon]

Seems like a nice way of saying Bolden is a selfish crybaby...

Actually, you're right. I guess I do think he is a crybaby.

But I won't categorize him with TO yet.

He was an integral part of their success this year, so I'm sure from his POV he deserved to be given the opportunity to contribute on the game-winning drive...

[DeezNutz]

I would rather have Fitz

And I'd like a blowjob from Jessica AlbaSimpsonBiel.

[DaWolf]

It's kind of hard to use the NFC West excuse when his offense just shredded the NFC South and NFC East on the way to the Superbowl.

Let's just pretend for a sec the Cards missed the playoffs because someone else in their division finished 10-6 and this playoff run didn't happen. I'm not saying take the playoff run away from him, but still it's a three game stretch, and it would be like me calling Norv Turner a great coach for the end of the year 5 game run the Chargers went on:

Regular season:
6-0 against NFC West, outscoring opponents 180-101
3-7 against the rest of the NFL, outscored 325-247

Now they've done a good job in the post season, but color me unimpressed in terms of how the Cardinals have played in the regular season.

Now is this a damnation of Haley? Certainly not, he's not the head coach and not in charge of the defense. But the Cardinals are in no way a model organization yet, they are a team that got hot at the right time. I fully expect them to be exposed in the Super Bowl. And I've got to hope Haley doesn't turn into another Mike Martz, an emotional guy who went from position coach to offensive coordinator to head coach thanks in large part to Kurt Warner and Issac Bruce and Torry Holt and Marshall Faulk...

[HemiEd]

Is he going to bring Larry Fitzgerald with him, I hope? That guy will make anyone look like a genious, he is a freak.

[ChiefRon]

Let's just pretend for a sec the Cards missed the playoffs because someone else in their division finished 10-6 and this playoff run didn't happen. I'm not saying take the playoff run away from him, but still it's a three game stretch, and it would be like me calling Norv Turner a great coach for the end of the year 5 game run the Chargers went on:

Regular season:
6-0 against NFC West, outscoring opponents 180-101
3-7 against the rest of the NFL, outscored 325-247

Now they've done a good job in the post season, but color me unimpressed in terms of how the Cardinals have played in the regular season.

Now is this a damnation of Haley? Certainly not, he's not the head coach and not in charge of the defense. But the Cardinals are in no way a model organization yet, they are a team that got hot at the right time. I fully expect them to be exposed in the Super Bowl. And I've got to hope Haley doesn't turn into another Mike Martz, an emotional guy who went from position coach to offensive coordinator to head coach thanks in large part to Kurt Warner and Issac Bruce and Torry Holt and Marshall Faulk...

All good points.

I have a feeling Wisenhun/Haley know how to attack that defense, though, so I fully expect Warner to win another SB and probably retire.

[ChiefRon]

Is he going to bring Larry Fitzgerald with him, I hope? That guy will make anyone look like a genious, he is a freak.

Unfortunately not.

I wish he could bring Grimm with him to fix our OLine, but I don't think it's possible to give him a promotion, as he already has the "Asst Coach" title...

[HemiEd]

Who really knows WTH is going on?

I would put my money on Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli. :D

[R&GHomer]

I love this idea! Someone new with fresh ideas, who attacks on offense. LOVE IT!!!!

HOLD UP ONE DAMN MINUTE..... This is not how we were told "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME"!

[Chief_in_Commander]

I used to hate Billick, but I actually like him now. Not that it has anything to do with this thread.

yeah I like his commercials too

[CaliforniaChief]

Like others, I defer to Pioli on this 100% (like I have a choice!) This guy knows the league, and has worked with the best coach in the league now for years. I would think he would know what makes a coach great in this league and know that he wouldn't just settle for him because the "good ones" are gone.

Think about Belichick. Who would have thought he was going to be great after what happened in Cleveland? Now he's a Hall of Fame coach. Who's good with video cameras.

I honestly think the axe is going to fall on Herm tomorrow. I honestly don't think he was going to drop Herm on MLK Jr. Day or Inauguration Day, and knows that things can't hang in limbo much longer. He's gotta either renew his contract or dump him.

[KCrockaholic]

Maybe Bowe could thrive in an offense like Haley's. It would be nice if Haley could help make Bowe as talented as Boldin. Not that its possible.

[KCCHIEFS27]

“I think he’ll be the coach in Kansas City,” Collinsworth told me Tuesday on a teleconference.


Okay, great. Tell us when you know for sure. Pioli, I think, has benefited a lot from following around Belichick and listening to him about the kind of players he wanted. I have a lot of questions and am excited to see what the guy can do without Belichick around. But, personally, I don't think Haley as HC would be such a good idea. I don't know much though, I just think I do:D

[KCrockaholic]

Like others, I defer to Pioli on this 100% (like I have a choice!) This guy knows the league, and has worked with the best coach in the league now for years. I would think he would know what makes a coach great in this league and know that he wouldn't just settle for him because the "good ones" are gone.

Think about Belichick. Who would have thought he was going to be great after what happened in Cleveland? Now he's a Hall of Fame coach. Who's good with video cameras.

I honestly think the axe is going to fall on Herm tomorrow. I honestly don't think he was going to drop Herm on MLK Jr. Day or Inauguration Day, and knows that things can't hang in limbo much longer. He's gotta either renew his contract or dump him.

eh, Herms that whitest black guy ive ever seen. He wouldnt mind. j/k

[keg in kc]

6-0 against NFC West, outscoring opponents 180-101
3-7 against the rest of the NFL, outscored 325-24724.7 ppg is still top 10, and in one of those losses they scored 35, with 29 in another. Any defense in either game and they're 5-5.

I don't think it's a coincidence that their playoff wins coincide with somewhat stronger defensive play.

(I don't think it will be enough to beat Pittsburgh, unless they can hit Roethlisberger early)

[R&GHomer]

Okay, great. Tell us when you know for sure. Pioli, I think, has benefited a lot from following around Belichick and listening to him about the kind of players he wanted. I have a lot of questions and am excited to see what the guy can do without Belichick around. But, personally, I don't think Haley as HC would be such a good idea. I don't know much though, I just think I do:D

Well at least you're honest :clap:

[FringeNC]

I like Haley a lot, but Collinsworth is generally full of shit....

[HemiEd]

is that a bad thing?

Well yes, yes it is. /Frank Ganz

[penchief]

I just read a couple of articles about how Haley interviewed for the Dallas job when Parcells left. I guess he told Jerry Jones that the only way he would coach the team is if Jones shitcanned Terrell Owens. On his way out the door he apparently told Jones that the cowboys would never win anything of signifigance as long as Owens was a part of the team.

Also, there is apparently a few people making noise that Dallas should bring Haley back to replace Phillips. One of them being Keyshawn Johnson.

[djrcmay]

Is Haley a good fit for the Chiefs?
Man of the moment.One of the lessons I've learned by working with statistics is this: When in doubt, always go with the larger body of work. What if no larger body of work exists? Then you're talking about a leap of faith. That leap is exactly what the Chiefs would be making if they hired Cardinals coordinator Todd Haley as their new head coach.

Let's face it, probably about 98 percent of Chiefs fans had never heard the name of Todd Haley before Sunday's NFC championship game. Why would they? Haley's father, Dick, is one of the most well-respected personnel men in NFL history, one of the architects of the Steelers' dynasty in the 1970s. Honestly, though, how many of you have ever heard of him? Why would you have heard about his son, an anonymous offensive assistant for the Arizona Cardinals?

The more you dig into the background of coaches and front office figures in the NFL, the more you realize what a small community it is. You have your Bill Parcells family tree and your Bill Walsh family tree, the latter which has evolved into a Mike Holmgren tree. The Tom Landry lineage seems to have died out, but now there is a Bill Cowher line and a Bill Belichick tree. Everyone has worked with everyone at one time or another and everyone has familial ties to the league dating back to the days of George Halas and Curly Lambeau. Well, it seems that way.

Haley almost certainly got his start in the league because of his father. That's the usual way to get your foot in the door in the NFL. Since then, he's moved up on his own merit, mostly working as a receivers coach. He worked for the Jets in the 1990s at the same time new Chiefs boss Scott Pioli was there. They both worked under Bill Parcells then. Haley went on to work under Parcells in Dallas, first as a position coach, then as the Cowboys' passing-game coordinator; Pioli went on to marry Parcells' daughter.

When Parcells retired, Haley moved onto Arizona. Stories I read indicate that Dallas wanted to retain Haley, but with Jason Garrett already on board as the Cowboys' offensive guru and coach-in-waiting, it probably wasn't a hard decision for Haley to join his friend Ken Whisenhunt in Arizona.

What is it that stands out about Haley? Right now, it's his playcalling ability. Many head coaches don't call their own plays, though I suspect that Haley would be an exception. Some coaches do it with a lot of success -- Mike Holmgren, Mike Shanahan (at times), Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy, et al. Some, like Whisenhunt, start off calling plays, then ease off once their system is up and running. That's what happened with Haley, who didn't start calling plays until midway through the 2007 season. So, while Haley is in his second year as Arizona's OC, this is the first year he has actually called the majority of the plays. Apparently, he's a fast learner.

Whisenhunt is considered one of the better play callers in the league, as a matter of fact, so it probably wasn't easy for him to relinquish that responsibility. At the same, it probably also means that he hasn't completely turned Haley loose. Haley has more of a background in the passing game; Whisenhunt is more attune with the ground attack. That makes the two coaches a nice complement, but when the Cardinals have struggled this season -- they did lose seven games this year -- part of the reason has been because the offense became too pass happy. Too high risk. A Mike Martz model of offense. Let's not put too fine a point on it, though. No coach is going to have a flawless resume.

The big strike against Haley is a lack of experience at the key coaching positions. He's got just the two years as a coordinator, during one of which he was kept on a short leash. He didn't install his own system, he merely took over the one implemented by Whisenhunt. Plus, he's never been a head coach at any level. That's not a lot of tangible evidence to go on. If you hire Haley, it'll be based on the judgement of Pioli. Of course, that's why you hired Pioli in the first place, so if he's on board, who's to argue?

Here's a few facts that we can glean about Haley's performance:


As mentioned, Haley was Dallas' passing-game coordinator in 2006. That season, according to Football Outsiders*, the Cowboys had the ninth-ranked passing game in the NFL. In 2007, with Haley in Arizona, Dallas improved to fourth. This past season, however, the Cowboys dropped to 17th in passing offense.
The year before Haley took over as the Cardinals' OC, they ranked 21st overall in offense; they were 15th in passing and 29th in rushing.
In 2007, with Haley as OC but Whisenhunt calling most of the plays, Arizona's offense was 18th overall, 14th in passing and 27th in rushing.
This season, with Haley taking on the full responsibilities of a offensive coordinator for the first time, the Cardinals were 10th in overall offense, 7th in passing and 28th in rushing.
* I love, love, love Football Outsiders. In a nutshell, they "take every single play during the NFL season and compare each one to a league-average baseline based on situation."


There are some positive trends there, nothing conclusive, but nothing that would scare you away, either. Arizona hasn't been a well-balanced team, at least not until its current playoff run, but that could well just be a function of personnel. One judgement we can make about Haley is this: He knows the passing game. Running the ball? That may just be a necessary evil.

From a personality standpoint, it sounds like Haley has a fiery demeanor which would strike a chord with the irritated Chiefs fan of here and now. He clashed with Terrell Owens in Dallas. He argued with Anquan Boldin in the NFC Championship game -- during the game-winning drive. Haley and Arizona quarterback Kurt Warner were also caught sniping at each other during the first half of Sunday's game.

Another point in Haley's favor is the excellent track record of Bill Parcells disciples, a list that includes Belichick, Tom Coughlin, Sean Payton and Tony Sparano. That's impressive.

I have to admit, before I put together this post, I was prepared to write about the folly of getting excited about an offensive coordinator on the basis of one magical, 72-yard drive. The more I researched Haley's background, however, the more impressed I became. He's got the drive, the pedigree, the best mentors. He doesn't have any head coaching experience and his experience as a coordinator is limited. But if you want to capture a rising star, you have to grab it before it gets too far off the ground. Given Haley's history with Pioli, I think he makes a lot of sense for the Chiefs but, again, his lack of experience would make me nervous.

This assumes, of course, that Herm Edwards is not retained. Frankly, if he isn't, isn't it getting to the point of being a little cruel to keep him twisting?
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[lazepoo]

Wasn't Collinsworth saying the other day that Cowher would be the coach in KC in 2010? I don't think anyone knows what's going on except for Clark and Pioli. All of this talk is just empty speculation due to the complete lack of information.

[smittysbar]

he said it in phone interview last night on espn. I was listening to it. He said and I quote "I'm not a players coach" and basically that sometimes those things happen. Just found it to be kind of an odd thing to say for a guy that is wanting a head coaching job. If it was me, I would of phrased it differently.

Yep, I heard it. That is not necessarily a bad thing.

[BWillie]

Wasn't Collinsworth saying the other day that Cowher would be the coach in KC in 2010? I don't think anyone knows what's going on except for Clark and Pioli. All of this talk is just empty speculation due to the complete lack of information.

Collinsworth is a flaming douchebag. I hate him more than anybody else that is a talking head on TV.

[Delano]

Collinsworth is a flaming douchebag. I hate him more than anybody else that is a talking head on TV.

You don't love his heavily-bleached, fake smile?

http://makeupbizz.com/images/work/collinsworth.jpg

[BWillie]

You don't love his heavily-bleached, fake smile?

http://makeupbizz.com/images/work/collinsworth.jpg

HAHA. I guess he has a certain scumbag sense of entitlement and arrogance. Don't know how to explain it. And he's annoying.

[RealSNR]

I've said this before, but I think Collinsworth looks like a pedophile. His clean shirts, sly smile, it' s just creepy. It looks like he could totally lure children into his basement by handing out candy

[KCChiefsMan]

interesting for sure. How long has he been an o-coordinator? either way I'd be more happy with him than herm

[Micjones]

Todd Haley would bring in an aggressive offense to the Chiefs... I'm all for it.

Todd Haley and Jim Haslett as defensive coordinator?

Haslett wouldn't be a bad choice for DC.

[blueballs]

Does he bring along Warner or Lienart

[kysirsoze]

Al Saunders here versus Al Saunders in Washington. Gunther Cunningham in 1995 versus Gunther Cunningham in 2005.

It's a mutually-beneficial thing. Coaches help players shine, players help coaches shine. If there's a weak link either place you're boned. Although i think the right player combinations can make good coaches look brilliant. True geniouses are few and far between, and I don't know that there's any coach so good that he can turn a bad roster into a good team. Only so much polishing you can give a turd. But, if the whole 'patriots way' thing works, we'll find coaches who can turn an average to good unit, talent-wise, into a great one.

Martz was a shitty coach who was exposed as his talent pool dropped off. Bad example IMO. But good point nevertheless.

[kysirsoze]

I like Collinsworth because, though he may be pompous, he will take shots at the guys that everyone else is blowing on ESPN.

[cardken]

Called it this morning, and for those offensive minded fans, he may just go get us the QB and WR to bookend Bowe. Sounds exciting.

[blueballs]

Didn't Fatlock
say this last night

[kcxiv]

I like the dude. But is he really that good. To be honest, I think the Cards got this far because everyone underestimated them.

If they win the SB. I am totally sold on him. No questions asked.

Some if his play calling in the play offs have been brilliant. I have heard even the commentators say thats a hell of a call by Haley. I actually heard it quite a few times.

[FloridaMan88]

Todd Haley as Head Coach and an offensive staff consisting of Al Saunders and Mike Martz would special.

[Dave Lane]

Like others, I defer to Pioli on this 100% (like I have a choice!) This guy knows the league, and has worked with the best coach in the league now for years. I would think he would know what makes a coach great in this league and know that he wouldn't just settle for him because the "good ones" are gone.

Think about Belichick. Who would have thought he was going to be great after what happened in Cleveland? Now he's a Hall of Fame coach. Who's good with video cameras.

I honestly think the axe is going to fall on Herm tomorrow. I honestly don't think he was going to drop Herm on MLK Jr. Day or Inauguration Day, and knows that things can't hang in limbo much longer. He's gotta either renew his contract or dump him.

That was my thought too, but he may just let him twist in the wind till he gets all the info out of him he can and makes his hire then drop the axe.

Dave

[chiefsngop]

It is hard for me to get excited about a guy who gets to game plan with Boldin and Fitzgerald. Sort of like Culpepper getting called a great QB when he was playing with Moss and Carter. But I don't know this guys history, so my mind could be easily changed.

Remember my friend, we're heading in a whole new direction.

Now the Chiefs too, will acquire some truly talented athletes.

Whoever the new coaches are, Pioli will load their guns with talent.

Ding-dong the Carl's dead, the wicked Carl , the evil Carl, ding dong ....

[chiefsngop]

Hmmm. Intriguing article. Thanks for posting.

I thought for sure that Pioli would go after a coach that has his roots on the defensive side of the ball.

Why not can Herm now and hire Haley after the SB?

Because we haven't even interviewed him yet.

He may say no, or get a different offer.

Then we'd be left scrambling to sign a Head Coach, that we didn't even want, to a multi-year contract.

[chiefsngop]

HAHA. I guess he has a certain scumbag sense of entitlement and arrogance. Don't know how to explain it. And he's annoying.

I absolutely HATE him on Madden.

Every time I play, I honestly think about just muting the commentator volume.

[RJ]

I don't recall ever hearing Haley's name mentioned for a HC position before these past couple of weeks. If he ends up with the Chiefs I hope it's not because he's the "flavor of the day".

I'd hate to see the Chiefs hire the coaching equivalent of Scott Mitchell.

[eazyb81]

Because we haven't even interviewed him yet.

He may say no, or get a different offer.

Then we'd be left scrambling to sign a Head Coach, that we didn't even want, to a multi-year contract.

Well duh. But I was assuming that Pioli would, you know, actually talk to Pioli privately to make sure he wanted the job, before firing Herm. Remember, they worked together for years in NY.

[ChiefsCountry]

I don't recall ever hearing Haley's name mentioned for a HC position before these past couple of weeks. If he ends up with the Chiefs I hope it's not because he's the "flavor of the day".

I'd hate to see the Chiefs hire the coaching equivalent of Scott Mitchell.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80d6d12a&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

This is from December there are other articles that are older that have Haley menitoned.

[MahiMike]

I'll say one thing. Watching the 2 games this weekend was very telling. One team was very innovative in their play calling (Cards) and one was extremely vanilla (Ravens). That play call to score the last TD was superb. As soon as he had the ball, you knew he would score.

If he can mix it up like that, I'll take him. Downside is he won't be bringing Boldin with him...)

[warrior]

Is Haley a good fit for the Chiefs?
Man of the moment.One of the lessons I've learned by working with statistics is this: When in doubt, always go with the larger body of work. What if no larger body of work exists? Then you're talking about a leap of faith. That leap is exactly what the Chiefs would be making if they hired Cardinals coordinator Todd Haley as their new head coach.

Let's face it, probably about 98 percent of Chiefs fans had never heard the name of Todd Haley before Sunday's NFC championship game. Why would they? Haley's father, Dick, is one of the most well-respected personnel men in NFL history, one of the architects of the Steelers' dynasty in the 1970s. Honestly, though, how many of you have ever heard of him? Why would you have heard about his son, an anonymous offensive assistant for the Arizona Cardinals?

The more you dig into the background of coaches and front office figures in the NFL, the more you realize what a small community it is. You have your Bill Parcells family tree and your Bill Walsh family tree, the latter which has evolved into a Mike Holmgren tree. The Tom Landry lineage seems to have died out, but now there is a Bill Cowher line and a Bill Belichick tree. Everyone has worked with everyone at one time or another and everyone has familial ties to the league dating back to the days of George Halas and Curly Lambeau. Well, it seems that way.

Haley almost certainly got his start in the league because of his father. That's the usual way to get your foot in the door in the NFL. Since then, he's moved up on his own merit, mostly working as a receivers coach. He worked for the Jets in the 1990s at the same time new Chiefs boss Scott Pioli was there. They both worked under Bill Parcells then. Haley went on to work under Parcells in Dallas, first as a position coach, then as the Cowboys' passing-game coordinator; Pioli went on to marry Parcells' daughter.

When Parcells retired, Haley moved onto Arizona. Stories I read indicate that Dallas wanted to retain Haley, but with Jason Garrett already on board as the Cowboys' offensive guru and coach-in-waiting, it probably wasn't a hard decision for Haley to join his friend Ken Whisenhunt in Arizona.

What is it that stands out about Haley? Right now, it's his playcalling ability. Many head coaches don't call their own plays, though I suspect that Haley would be an exception. Some coaches do it with a lot of success -- Mike Holmgren, Mike Shanahan (at times), Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy, et al. Some, like Whisenhunt, start off calling plays, then ease off once their system is up and running. That's what happened with Haley, who didn't start calling plays until midway through the 2007 season. So, while Haley is in his second year as Arizona's OC, this is the first year he has actually called the majority of the plays. Apparently, he's a fast learner.

Whisenhunt is considered one of the better play callers in the league, as a matter of fact, so it probably wasn't easy for him to relinquish that responsibility. At the same, it probably also means that he hasn't completely turned Haley loose. Haley has more of a background in the passing game; Whisenhunt is more attune with the ground attack. That makes the two coaches a nice complement, but when the Cardinals have struggled this season -- they did lose seven games this year -- part of the reason has been because the offense became too pass happy. Too high risk. A Mike Martz model of offense. Let's not put too fine a point on it, though. No coach is going to have a flawless resume.

The big strike against Haley is a lack of experience at the key coaching positions. He's got just the two years as a coordinator, during one of which he was kept on a short leash. He didn't install his own system, he merely took over the one implemented by Whisenhunt. Plus, he's never been a head coach at any level. That's not a lot of tangible evidence to go on. If you hire Haley, it'll be based on the judgement of Pioli. Of course, that's why you hired Pioli in the first place, so if he's on board, who's to argue?

Here's a few facts that we can glean about Haley's performance:


As mentioned, Haley was Dallas' passing-game coordinator in 2006. That season, according to Football Outsiders*, the Cowboys had the ninth-ranked passing game in the NFL. In 2007, with Haley in Arizona, Dallas improved to fourth. This past season, however, the Cowboys dropped to 17th in passing offense.
The year before Haley took over as the Cardinals' OC, they ranked 21st overall in offense; they were 15th in passing and 29th in rushing.
In 2007, with Haley as OC but Whisenhunt calling most of the plays, Arizona's offense was 18th overall, 14th in passing and 27th in rushing.
This season, with Haley taking on the full responsibilities of a offensive coordinator for the first time, the Cardinals were 10th in overall offense, 7th in passing and 28th in rushing.
* I love, love, love Football Outsiders. In a nutshell, they "take every single play during the NFL season and compare each one to a league-average baseline based on situation."


There are some positive trends there, nothing conclusive, but nothing that would scare you away, either. Arizona hasn't been a well-balanced team, at least not until its current playoff run, but that could well just be a function of personnel. One judgement we can make about Haley is this: He knows the passing game. Running the ball? That may just be a necessary evil.

From a personality standpoint, it sounds like Haley has a fiery demeanor which would strike a chord with the irritated Chiefs fan of here and now. He clashed with Terrell Owens in Dallas. He argued with Anquan Boldin in the NFC Championship game -- during the game-winning drive. Haley and Arizona quarterback Kurt Warner were also caught sniping at each other during the first half of Sunday's game.

Another point in Haley's favor is the excellent track record of Bill Parcells disciples, a list that includes Belichick, Tom Coughlin, Sean Payton and Tony Sparano. That's impressive.

I have to admit, before I put together this post, I was prepared to write about the folly of getting excited about an offensive coordinator on the basis of one magical, 72-yard drive. The more I researched Haley's background, however, the more impressed I became. He's got the drive, the pedigree, the best mentors. He doesn't have any head coaching experience and his experience as a coordinator is limited. But if you want to capture a rising star, you have to grab it before it gets too far off the ground. Given Haley's history with Pioli, I think he makes a lot of sense for the Chiefs but, again, his lack of experience would make me nervous.

This assumes, of course, that Herm Edwards is not retained. Frankly, if he isn't, isn't it getting to the point of being a little cruel to keep him twisting?
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Nice Article--must admit I didn't know much about Haley . :thumb:

[alanm]

Why do I get the impression that this guy is just the flavor of the week?

[Mr. Laz]

a freaking monkey could run a productive offense with Fitz,bolding,hightower,james, a decent offensive line and a super bowl experienced Quarterback in Warner.

maybe he's good but don't put too much stock into his job in 'zona

[whoman69]

Where do I get the impression that Collinsworth is guessing on this one. I would imagine Pioli is working up a list of who to bring in for an interview. He first has to assess the staff we have. From where we sit the guys who should stay would be a pretty short list, but Pioli hasn't been exposed to them as we have. I'm all for him taking his time to make a decision as long as its the right one.

[chiefsngop]

Well duh. But I was assuming that Pioli would, you know, actually talk to Pioli privately to make sure he wanted the job, before firing Herm. Remember, they worked together for years in NY.

Easy on the "duh" pal.

I know what you meant, but your post does read that you were :

"assuming that Pioli would, you know, actually talk to Pioli...." :spock:

[Archie Bunker]

Todd Haley as Head Coach and an offensive staff consisting of Al Saunders and Mike Martz would special.

Speaking of the object of your obsession....

The Raiders will reportedly soon interview ex-Rams offensive coordinator Al Saunders for the same position in Oakland.

His terminology is totally different from Lane Kiffin and Greg Knapp's, so JaMarcus Russell will face another learning curve if Saunders is hired. Saunders flopped with St. Louis in 2008. His offense ranked 27th overall.

www.rotoworld.com

[Tribal Warfare]

Collinsworth: Haley will be Chiefs' new coach (http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/638)

NBC Sports analyst Cris Collinsworth expects Arizona Cardinals offensive coordinator Todd Haley to become the Chiefs’ next head coach.

It’s becoming more apparent that the Chiefs are waiting until after the Super Bowl to identify their next head coach _ or why not send Herm Edwards to the Senior Bowl and let him replace assistants who are fleeing?

Collinsworth, who spent time with Haley before covering the Cardinals’ wild-card win over Atlanta for NBC and will work the Super Bowl, said Haley’s star has risen higher than anyone’s during the playoffs.

“I think he’ll be the coach in Kansas City,” Collinsworth told me Tuesday on a teleconference.

“I’m watching what’s happening with all the (new) coaches, and we’ve seen some of the defensive coaches come off the board, and the one guy nobody is talking about that has surprised me, and it’s because (the Cardinals) flew so far under the radar screen, was Haley. He’s not under the radar screen anymore.

“The biggest winner who has come out of this run by the Arizona Cardinals has been Todd Haley.”

Haley worked with new Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli with the New York Jets during 1997-99.

Some have speculated Pioli may hire Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz, but Ferentz' son, James, will be a sophomore offensive lineman on the Hawkeyes' football team next season, and it's hard to believe Kirk will want to walk away from that.

And if Ferentz was the choice, why not make the move now?

Sometimes, timing is everything.

For more on what Collinsworth said about Haley, check out Wednesday's Kansas City Star.

[Bugeater]

Erm...it's on the front page, and it already has over 100 posts.

[ChiefsCountry]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=200714

[Tribal Warfare]

Erm...it's on the front page, and it already has over 100 posts.

Just got up from a nap so I didn't catch it

[aturnis]

Just got up from a nap so I didn't catch it

LAZY! GET A JOB.

[MTG#10]

A nap? I havent had one of those in 10 years.

[blueballs]

Just got up from a nap so I didn't catch it

kudos for doing the responsible thing
flush twice

[DaWolf]

Speaking of the object of your obsession....

The Raiders will reportedly soon interview ex-Rams offensive coordinator Al Saunders for the same position in Oakland.

His terminology is totally different from Lane Kiffin and Greg Knapp's, so JaMarcus Russell will face another learning curve if Saunders is hired. Saunders flopped with St. Louis in 2008. His offense ranked 27th overall.

www.rotoworld.com

Wow, I don't know if Al and his 700 page playbook are what the Raiders need, but if Al Davis wants Al Saunders, good for him...

[Thig Lyfe]

FAP FAP FAP

[Delano]

I've said this before, but I think Collinsworth looks like a pedophile. His clean shirts, sly smile, it' s just creepy. It looks like he could totally lure children into his morgue by handing out candy

He looks like a creepy fucking mortician.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Interesting. I don't know much about him; but I did hear some interesting commentary about him during the NFC Championship game in which one of the announcers said something to the effect of "He's not a players coach; he's more of the Parcells mold" etc.

I got the impression he's not the type to take sh*t from players (although Boldin tried his best).

Should this happen, it'll be intersting to see the personality conflicts between him and LJ. lol

Warner too! Dude does NOT take gruff. If he jives with the program, I'd give him a shot.
He's a young guy, and that can go either way, but I DO like his dynamic.

DCS says; Thumbs Up.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

...just had meetings all afternoon. Can someone sum this all up? Does it sound legit? Yesterday Cowher was suppose to be our coach, this morning the Tuna was, and now Haley is? I can not keep up with it all.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

When did he do that?

Besides dealing with TO and Boldin's blowup, when has there been a problem with him?

It's not a problem, it's an asset.

And I'd like a blowjob from Jessica AlbaSimpsonBiel.

Cordoba.:thumb:

I like Haley a lot, but Collinsworth is generally full of shit....

Collinsworth is a flaming douchebag. I hate him more than anybody else that is a talking head on TV.

But...but...He might actually say something NICE about the Chiefs. For once.
You don't love his heavily-bleached, fake smile?

http://makeupbizz.com/images/work/collinsworth.jpg

I've said this before, but I think Collinsworth looks like a pedophile. His clean shirts, sly smile, it' s just creepy. It looks like he could totally lure children into his basement by handing out candy

He sustains himself on the blood of babies.

...just had meetings all afternoon. Can someone sum this all up? Does it sound legit? Yesterday Cowher was suppose to be our coach, this morning the Tuna was, and now Haley is? I can not keep up with it all.

We will have been through the entire coaching tree of the NFL and NCAA before they finally hire Al Bundy from Polk High.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn182/lightbringerrr/SCOTTHALEYANDTHECOMETS.gif

[Frankie]

Todd Haley would bring in an aggressive offense to the Chiefs... I'm all for it.

Todd Haley and Jim Haslett as defensive coordinator?

Haslett? What did he do for the Rams D?

[chiefsngop]

We will have been through the entire coaching tree of the NFL and NCAA before they finally hire Al Bundy from Polk High.

No way.

4 touchdowns in one game ?

That's arena ball circus stuff.

[milkman]

...just had meetings all afternoon. Can someone sum this all up? Does it sound legit? Yesterday Cowher was suppose to be our coach, this morning the Tuna was, and now Haley is? I can not keep up with it all.

I'll sum it up for you.

Nobody knows a thing.

[Frankie]

Bowe will turn into Fitzgerald now. OH **** YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!

Or Boldin.:(

[Frankie]

I guess this rules out Boldin in a Chiefs uniform. I dont want that anyway. I would rather have Fitz

Yeah I heard he is available for cheap.

[smittysbar]

Yeah I heard he is available for cheap.

What? Cheap? Who?

[jwazzie]

Haley is to Boldin as I am with a pimple on ass... Pissed at it and I will take it out if need be.

[Frankie]

Maybe Bowe could thrive in an offense like Haley's. It would be nice if Haley could help make Bowe as talented as Boldin. Not that its possible.

Isn't D-Bowe supposed to have a bit of a "Me" complex? A bit of it is OK, but I hope it will not grow into flare ups with Haley. I sure hate to lose Bowe at the end of his contract.

[Frankie]

Well yes, yes it is. /Frank Ganz

Ganz was a "players' coach."

[tyton75]

What Defensive Coaches are still available? for the Def coordinator?

[RealSNR]

Or Boldin.:(Good God.

People act like Boldin is the next Tank Johnson or Mike Vick or Pacman Jones.

Boldin makes your team BETTER, not WORSE. The Cardinals are going to the Super Bowl.

Jesus fucking Christ

[RustShack]

Think after winning the SB Boldin and Haley make up and Haley brings him over here with him?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Good God.

People act like Boldin is the next Tank Johnson or Mike Vick or Pacman Jones.

Boldin makes your team BETTER, not WORSE. The Cardinals are going to the Super Bowl.

Jesus fucking Christ

I didn't realize there was a problem with the guy, I just thought he was on IR all this time.
Of course with all the time I spend following the Chiefs, I don't have much time left for another team.

Can we all agree that being a Chiefs fan is fucking WORK? Under the unimpressive auspices of Carl and Herm, this team really HAS become a second job for the serious football fan.

[blueballs]

.

[Kyle DeLexus]

ROFL

[Ultra Peanut]

CHRIS "THE ERRONEOUS ONE" COLLINSWORTH

[The Buddha]

Is Darth CarlSatan's signature photo misspelled?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Is Darth CarlSatan's signature photo misspelled?


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Negatory.

[Ultra Peanut]

Maybe you should check out your sig once more, DCS.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Maybe you should check out your sig once more, DCS.

TFS Stress; thank you.

[The Buddha]

TFS Stress; thank you.

No problem... Just trying to help.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

NFL Head Coaches 2009 was a bad year to be hired

1.Eric Mangini-Browns Fired
2.Todd Haley -Chiefs Fired
3.Steve Spagnuolo-Ram Soon to be fired
4.Raheem Morris-Bucs Soon to be fired
5.Josh Mcdaniels- Denver Fired
6.Tom Cable -Oakland Fired


Cowher in today's NFL would of never got a ring would of been fired before year 15.

[Fritz88]

You don't love his heavily-bleached, fake smile?

http://makeupbizz.com/images/work/collinsworth.jpg

The fuck:spock:

[bevischief]

Shut the hell up.

[Bowser]

NFL Head Coaches 2009 was a bad year to be hired

1.Eric Mangini-Browns Fired
2.Todd Haley -Chiefs Fired
3.Steve Spagnuolo-Ram Soon to be fired
4.Raheem Morris-Bucs Soon to be fired
5.Josh Mcdaniels- Denver Fired
6.Tom Cable -Oakland Fired


Cowher in today's NFL would of never got a ring would of been fired before year 15.

BRING OUT YOUR DEAD **BONG**
BRING OUT YOUR DEAD **BONG**

[whosyou]

afc west is the new nfc west

[Pasta Little Brioni]

What username is Darth Carl posting as nowadays?

[DomerNKC]

NFL Head Coaches 2009 was a bad year to be hired

1.Eric Mangini-Browns Fired
2.Todd Haley -Chiefs Fired
3.Steve Spagnuolo-Ram Soon to be fired
4.Raheem Morris-Bucs Soon to be fired
5.Josh Mcdaniels- Denver Fired
6.Tom Cable -Oakland Fired


Cowher in today's NFL would of never got a ring would of been fired before year 15.would've = would have, not wood of.

[Reerun_KC]

NFL Head Coaches 2009 was a bad year to be hired

1.Eric Mangini-Browns Fired
2.Todd Haley -Chiefs Fired
3.Steve Spagnuolo-Ram Soon to be fired
4.Raheem Morris-Bucs Soon to be fired
5.Josh Mcdaniels- Denver Fired
6.Tom Cable -Oakland Fired


Cowher in today's NFL would of never got a ring would of been fired before year 15.

Lots of people were sucking the ball sack of Spagnuolo, now he is about to be fired?

[ChiefsCountry]

NFL Head Coaches 2009 was a bad year to be hired

1.Eric Mangini-Browns Fired
2.Todd Haley -Chiefs Fired
3.Steve Spagnuolo-Ram Soon to be fired
4.Raheem Morris-Bucs Soon to be fired
5.Josh Mcdaniels- Denver Fired
6.Tom Cable -Oakland Fired


Cowher in today's NFL would of never got a ring would of been fired before year 15.

Of course you forget to list Rex Ryan and Jim Schwartz, the two that most on CP wanted.

[SAUTO]

Rex ryan doesn't seem to be on too good of footing right now...
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[MoreLemonPledge]

Rex ryan doesn't seem to be on too good of footing right now...
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HAHAHA IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE HE HAS A FOOT FETISH

[KurtCobain]

Todd Haley would bring in an aggressive offense to the Chiefs... I'm all for it.

Todd Haley and Jim Haslett as defensive coordinator?
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