Tyler Thigpen: "I've earned the starting QB position..."

[ChiefRon]

So I get in the car to head home from taking my wife to dinner, and who's on Sirius radio "Late Hits" show?

Jim Miller & whatshisname are interviewing Tyler Thigpen. I didn't catch the whole thing as I missed most of it by screaming at him because of some crap he was saying, and then my wife made me change the channel so I would calm down and quit speeding.

Some of the tidbits that enraged me:

"There was no reason to get rid of Herm, with just a couple of more plays this year we could have made the playoffs."
"I've proved I'm a starting QB in this league."
"I've showed I can make all the throws."
"I've earned the starting QB position."
"There's no reason for the new GM to draft a QB. We should take a tackle or receiver to put us over the top."

Yada, yada, yada.

This is the main reason I wanted Herm gone. He was so positive, I think it gave the young players a sense of over-cockiness, making them believe they were better than reality. He made them believe we're really close, and only 1 or 2 players away.

Heck, instead of telling them the truth, which should inspire players to push themselves harder to improve, I believe he just inflated their self-assesments to try to convince them everyone that we were close. He actually had all the players thinking that we were a playoff team with bad luck...

I really hope we get a fiery coach that will come in and say, "Look, you have potential, yes. But on any other team right now, you would be on the practice squad. Now maybe you should go hit the weight room or film room to get better so you can better and tell people you're an NFL player with dignity."

[DMAC]

Sit down, Yancey.

[Hammock Parties]

Fucking n00b needs to shut his yap.

His attitude sucks.

[Ultra Peanut]

"I've earned the right to stick it up this skeleton's pooper."

"There was no reason to get rid of Herm, with just a couple of more plays this year we could have made the playoffs."Biggest headcase in NFL history.

[the Talking Can]

"playoffs"


no wonder we suck, our players are retarded

[rad]

Maybe TT needs to go too.

[Hammock Parties]

I certainly hope Thigpen welcomes MIKE FUCKING SHANAHAN with open arms.

Jesus Christ. He might be the only guy that could turn him into a winning QB.

[DeezNutz]

If by "couple of plays" he means 214, I agree completely.

[rad]

I certainly hope Thigpen welcomes MIKE ****ING SHANAHAN with open arms.

Jesus Christ. He might be the only guy that could turn him into a winning QB.

C'mon. Don't you want your own coach to start fresh with?

[StcChief]

"There was no reason to get rid of Herm, with just a couple of more plays this year we could have made the playoffs." Playoffs, Playoffs /mora

30 plays different wouldn't have made Chiefs a Playoff team.

[KCBOSS1]

I like Thigpen ok, he had some good flashes, but does he really think that he shouldn't have to compete for the job? I mean seriously.

[DeezNutz]

"I'll be here all week."

http://z.about.com/d/netforbeginners/1/5/0/5/skeleton1.jpg

[The Bad Guy]

His attitude does suck.

Someone should remind this chump that he was the QB of a 2 and fucking 14 team.

He talks way too much for someone who was so awful in the 2nd half of games.

He made all the throws? Where was I when this happened?

He earned it? What did he earn? He wants to be handed a starting job. I think Thigpen is only worried about his stats, and doesn't give a shit about wins and loses.

He can follow Herm out the door for all I care. His security "pistol" offense is gone.

[theorangelion]

I certainly hope Thigpen welcomes MIKE ****ING SHANAHAN with open arms.

Jesus Christ. He might be the only guy that could turn him into a winning QB.

Really now, TT did pretty well for a rook. If the efense(d omiited on purpose to represent the way they played) would have just stop someone once in a great while he might have won some games.

[PastorMikH]

I'm all for Thigpen as starter next season. I think he played well and has shown us he has potential.


At the same time, it is one thing for an established QB like Manning or Brady going into the next season as the unquestioned starter, it another thing for a team that finished the season with 2 wins and a new HC to go into the next season naming anyone a starter without first earning the job through competition.

[theorangelion]

I'm all for Thigpen as starter next season. I think he played well and has shown us he has potential.


At the same time, it is one thing for an established QB like Manning or Brady going into the next season as the unquestioned starter, it another thing for a team that finished the season with 2 wins and a new HC to go into the next season naming anyone a starter without first earning the job through competition.

Where do you pastor? God Bless.

[rad]

Where do you pastor? God Bless.

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181k, nice!

[Red Dawg]

Why would he be so full of himself after a 2-14 season. He looked good at times but he sounds like a guy putting himself in the HOF already. Scotty is not going to like him saying "There was no reason to fire Herm" Thigfug can't really think he qualifies to make that assesment.

[BigMeatballDave]

He hasn't earned shit.

[BigMeatballDave]

If by "couple of plays" he means 214, I agree completely.

ROFL

[ChiefRon]

I'm starting to calm down.

Look, I would go along with us being in quite a few games, and a few extra plays could have won us more games.

But at the sacrifice of sounding cliche, "It is what it is."

Where do these players get off having this attitude as if they proved something this year. Tony G had a similar attitude the other day in his interview on ESPN.

Was herm such an inspirational speaker that he had all of these young players fooled into thinking they were playoff-caliber?

And I would much rather the young QB who flashed some potential at the beginning of a few games would have the attitude like:

"Hey, I think I showed some potential, but that fact is we only won 1 game with me as the starter and that's not good enough. I'm working extra hard now in the offseason while everyone else is vacationing so I'm ready to come back and take the next step to show I can be the starter. It doesn't matter if they bring in QB. Competition brings out the best in all of us and is healthy. It would motivate me to go watch film even though every muscle in my body would be wanting to call it a night..."

"Herm was a great coach and brought out the best in us, but it just shows this is a business and if you don't win, it's not good enough."

[Marcellus]

I think confidence in your skills isn't the worst thing for a QB. I doubt that he doesn't think he needs to improve. It sounded bad but what is he supposed to say?

[DeezNutz]

I think confidence in your skills isn't the worst thing for a QB. I doubt that he doesn't think he needs to improve. It sounded bad but what is he supposed to say?

I have no problem with what he said about himself.

It's the Herm bullshit and the part about the draft that makes me want to kick him in the man sack. He should welcome competition if he's confident in himself. Added depth is a great thing for the team.

But this interview makes it sound like Thigpen doesn't know shit about "team."

[chiefscafan]

Man guys take it easy the questions he was asked were leading questions he is young and answered them wrong.

I still like Thigpen he can be the starter next year and groom the young one behind him.. Give him a chance guys.

[tk13]

I don't get why people get worked up over this stuff. If you have a QB who doesn't think he should play, you're going to be in trouble.

That doesn't make his opinion right, but would you rather he said "Oh shucks, I'm not just good enough." No offense but that's crazy. That can help make the difference between coming in and making the best of your situation like Thigpen, or curling up in a ball like Huard. Now if he starts causing problems and undermining the team that's another thing, but as right now this is harmless. Rather have a guy eager to get in there than someone happy to hold a clipboard.

[PastorMikH]

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181k?

Are you sure?


:)

[the Talking Can]

I have no problem with what he said about himself.

It's the Herm bullshit and the part about the draft that makes me want to kick him in the man sack.

this

[BigMeatballDave]

Sorry, Thig, but you CANNOT make all the throws.

[JuicesFlowing]

Are you sure that was Thigpen? Sounds more like Gonzalez ...:shake:

[Kyle DeLexus]

Tyler just made himself look like this again.

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[Kyle DeLexus]

come on guys that picture is way better than the skeleton one

[kcxiv]

I Honestly dont see anything wrong with what he says. All the players outside of LJ like Herm i beleive. Hell, LJ doesnt even like himself, so that cancels that out. He made chicken salad out of Chicken shit literally with this offense. We were averaging like 11 points a game before him. He has a decent argument.

Anyways, with that said, i wouldnt be upset if we draft a QB in round 1. lol

[|Zach|]

He looked good at times but he sounds like a guy putting himself in the HOF already. .
:spock:

God bless Chiefs Planet.

Turning away from reality and adding fantasy post by post.

[Thig Lyfe]

THIGGY FOR A BETTER TOMORROW

[Kyle DeLexus]

THIGGY FOR A BETTER TOMORROW

But he's kind of a dick

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[Mecca]

You'd think Tyler Thigpen did what what Matt Ryan did the way he's talking.

[the Talking Can]

You'd think Tyler Thigpen did what what Matt Ryan did the way he's talking.

well, some kc fans believe that....."if you switched their teams" etc....

[kcxiv]

well, some kc fans believe that....."if you switched their teams" etc....

I dont know if he could have won on that team, but i do know 1 thing that he kept the Chiefs competitive and our team had absolutely NO defense.

[the Talking Can]

I dont know if he could have won on that team, but i do know 1 thing that he kept the Chiefs competitive and our team had absolutely NO defense.

and people think i make this stuff up....

[Mojo Rising]

I dont know if he could have won on that team, but i do know 1 thing that he kept the Chiefs competitive and our team had absolutely NO defense.

Since you don't know I'll tell you. Thigpen would have had no chance in having the success Ryan had. Thigpen did not keep the Chiefs competetive. They lost 14 games. The 3rd pick in the draft is not competetive.

Ryan is a pro style QB. Thigpen is a serviceable back-up.

[Mecca]

well, some kc fans believe that....."if you switched their teams" etc....

You know what gets me, how does some of these guys like say Tyler Thigpen seem to have these egos where they think extremely highly of themselves after they won 2 games?

Does that make any sense at all?

[rad]

Thigpen only won one game dude.

[FringeNC]

I'll be surprised if Thigpen is thrown in the trash heap by the new regime. If so, that's fine by me. Pioli knows a hell of a lot more than me. The posters with strong opinions against Thigpen -- suppose Pioli likes the guy, and doesn't pick a QB at #3, will you turn on Pioli?

[theorangelion]

He's a backup only

[milkman]

I'll be surprised if Thigpen is thrown in the trash heap by the new regime. If so, that's fine by me. Pioli knows a hell of a lot more than me. The posters with strong opinions against Thigpen -- suppose Pioli likes the guy, and doesn't pick a QB at #3, will you turn on Pioli?

I'm just waiting for a reason to turn.

[Al Bundy]

Ron totally overreacted. What does he expect Thigpen to say? "I'm glad Herm got fired, you know.. the guy that gave me a chance to start in the NFL." Or even better, "I suck and should never start another NFL game, ever." Or even better than that "Please draft my replacement, don't draft guys around me that could make our team better, because we know Damian Macintosh will be just fine next year." Give it a rest... Ron was ranting and raving he totally missed the point.

[the Talking Can]

I'll be surprised if Thigpen is thrown in the trash heap by the new regime. If so, that's fine by me. Pioli knows a hell of a lot more than me. The posters with strong opinions against Thigpen -- suppose Pioli likes the guy, and doesn't pick a QB at #3, will you turn on Pioli?

no, because i won't believe the Chiefs are courageous enough to draft a QB in the first until the actually do it....i mean until the second the make the pick i won't believe it is a possibility....

passing on a QB for Thigpen....just wowzers

[chiefzilla1501]

I'm starting to calm down.

Look, I would go along with us being in quite a few games, and a few extra plays could have won us more games.

But at the sacrifice of sounding cliche, "It is what it is."

Where do these players get off having this attitude as if they proved something this year. Tony G had a similar attitude the other day in his interview on ESPN.

Was herm such an inspirational speaker that he had all of these young players fooled into thinking they were playoff-caliber?

And I would much rather the young QB who flashed some potential at the beginning of a few games would have the attitude like:

"Hey, I think I showed some potential, but that fact is we only won 1 game with me as the starter and that's not good enough. I'm working extra hard now in the offseason while everyone else is vacationing so I'm ready to come back and take the next step to show I can be the starter. It doesn't matter if they bring in QB. Competition brings out the best in all of us and is healthy. It would motivate me to go watch film even though every muscle in my body would be wanting to call it a night..."

"Herm was a great coach and brought out the best in us, but it just shows this is a business and if you don't win, it's not good enough."

I think the point is you have to think about what Thigpen is supposed to say in that situation. Thigpen, like every other player in the NFL, wants to start. I want to hear any young QB say in an interview: "I'm not good enough to start." He's a competitor and like any competitor, he doesn't want to be benched.

To your other points, the reason I'm rooting for Thigpen (even though I realize he probably will only be a good backup at best) is because he is doing those things you talk about. He just doesn't brag about it. He and Tony G and receivers took extra time during the season to start talking through routes, etc.... And in almost every interview, he never, ever blamed his receivers, he always put the blame on himself.

Harmless interview. It's a kid trying to confidently state his case that he wants to start. What's the shame in that?

[Brock]

Message to the players: None of you earned anything this year, not even your paychecks.

[chiefzilla1501]

no, because i won't believe the Chiefs are courageous enough to draft a QB in the first until the actually do it....i mean until the second the make the pick i won't believe it is a possibility....

passing on a QB for Thigpen....just wowzers

We definitely need to bring in a QB. The question is, with Pioli's history, if we're going to use a first round pick to get him. Pioli seems to like scrapping through the later rounds to find his guy. For as many years as he was with New England, he never used higher than a 3rd round pick on a QB. It will be really interesting to see what he does with a top 5 pick in the draft.

[Hammock Parties]

no, because i won't believe the Chiefs are courageous enough to draft a QB in the first until the actually do it....i mean until the second the make the pick i won't believe it is a possibility....

passing on a QB for Thigpen....just wowzers

Have you prepared yourself for the possibility that the Chiefs may not LIKE any of the quarterbacks coming out this year?

[milkman]

We definitely need to bring in a QB. The question is, with Pioli's history, if we're going to use a first round pick to get him. Pioli seems to like scrapping through the later rounds to find his guy. For as many years as he was with New England, he never used higher than a 3rd round pick on a QB. It will be really interesting to see what he does with a top 5 pick in the draft.

JFC.

I'm tired of this stupid "Well he never used a high pick on a QB argument".

Why the hell would he?

They had Drew Beldsoe at the start of the time there, and Bardy jumped in and took over.

And why do we keep having to ask you dumbasses this same fucking question?

[FringeNC]

no, because i won't believe the Chiefs are courageous enough to draft a QB in the first until the actually do it....i mean until the second the make the pick i won't believe it is a possibility....

passing on a QB for Thigpen....just wowzers

My guess is that Pioli will have multiple deals trading down in an attempt to accumulate draft picks and gut the roster.

[chiefzilla1501]

JFC.

I'm tired of this stupid "Well he never used a high pick on a QB argument".

Why the hell would he?

They had Drew Beldsoe at the start of the time there, and Bardy jumped in and took over.

And why do we keep having to ask you dumbasses this same ****ing question?

Because until he actually does it, it's all just conjecture. You can throw out as many hypotheticals like "if Brady wasn't there" or "if Bledsoe wasn't there" but until he actually does it, it's all pure hypothetical. I can see where you're coming from, but I don't understand why you don't think it's at least a possibility. Nobody is saying it's a slam dunk that he'll draft a QB in the later rounds. I just don't see Pioli as a guy who feels compelled to take a QB in the top 5 just because that's what all the draft gurus say he's supposed to do.

You're saying it's impossible, and yet the history is that he pulled two tremendous starters out of the 6th round when everybody else fell asleep on them. If Pioli really thinks he's good at stealing QBs in the draft, why are you so confident that he'll take the top QB on the board? Who's to say that Pioli doesn't find a few QBs he really likes during the combine/evaluation that he knows will be tremendously overvalued?

[Coach]

Just be aware that the Chiefs may not pick a QB in the first round, but the possibility in the later rounds.

[chiefzilla1501]

My guess is that Pioli will have multiple deals trading down in an attempt to accumulate draft picks and gut the roster.

I agree. Because that is something Pioli has historically done. I could see him maybe trading down and trying to land Sanchez, for example. But I don't buy into the argument that Pioli is undoubtedly going to draft Sanchez or Stafford because the draft gurus say the Chiefs must take them at #3. Pioli is his own man and his draft strategy has often defied the logic of conventional draft strategists.

Based on what we have seen, I believe Pioli is a strict supporter of "draft value." He believes that you shouldn't reach for players just because they fall to you. If Pioli believes Sanchez and Stafford are worth a top 3 pick based on HIS evaluation (and not Mel Kiper's), he'll draft them. If he believes they are overvalued, he will probably either draft somebody else or trade down to get Sanchez or Stafford at the value he thinks is more appropriate. I don't think anything with Pioli is a slam dunk.

[WilliamTheIrish]

I dont know if he could have won on that team, but i do know 1 thing that he kept the Chiefs competitive and our team had absolutely NO defense.

We were not competitive. We were horrible. On BOTH sides of the ball.

[KCFalcon59]

JFC.

I'm tired of this stupid "Well he never used a high pick on a QB argument".

Why the hell would he?

They had Drew Beldsoe at the start of the time there, and Bardy jumped in and took over.

And why do we keep having to ask you dumbasses this same fucking question?

You're right. They had no need to draft a QB high. How hard is that to figure out? I believe if the QB we want is there Pioli will take him.

[FringeNC]

I agree. Because that is something Pioli has historically done. I could see him maybe trading down and trying to land Sanchez, for example. But I don't buy into the argument that Pioli is undoubtedly going to draft Sanchez or Stafford because the draft gurus say the Chiefs must take them at #3. Pioli is his own man and his draft strategy has often defied the logic of conventional draft strategists.

Based on what we have seen, I believe Pioli is a strict supporter of "draft value." He believes that you shouldn't reach for players just because they fall to you. If Pioli believes Sanchez and Stafford are worth a top 3 pick based on HIS evaluation (and not Mel Kiper's), he'll draft them. If he believes they are overvalued, he will probably either draft somebody else or trade down to get Sanchez or Stafford at the value he thinks is more appropriate. I don't think anything with Pioli is a slam dunk.

Yeah, who knows. Interestingly, they did spend a third rounder on a QB last year even with Brady and Cassel.

[milkman]

Because until he actually does it, it's all just conjecture. You can throw out as many hypotheticals like "if Brady wasn't there" or "if Bledsoe wasn't there" but until he actually does it, it's all pure hypothetical. I can see where you're coming from, but I don't understand why you don't think it's at least a possibility. Nobody is saying it's a slam dunk that he'll draft a QB in the later rounds. I just don't see Pioli as a guy who feels compelled to take a QB in the top 5 just because that's what all the draft gurus say he's supposed to do.

You're saying it's impossible, and yet the history is that he pulled two tremendous starters out of the 6th round when everybody else fell asleep on them. If Pioli really thinks he's good at stealing QBs in the draft, why are you so confident that he'll take the top QB on the board? Who's to say that Pioli doesn't find a few QBs he really likes during the combine/evaluation that he knows will be tremendously overvalued?

I'm not saying it's impossible.

I'm saying that basing what Pioli and the Patriots did in previous drafts has no fucking bearing in this draft, because in every draft that the Patriots had during his time there they always had a QB in place, so QB was not a priority going into the draft.

Now I am not saying he will definitely draft a QB at #3, or in the first round if he manages to trade down.

I'm saying that dismissing the idea that he might take a QB in the first round based on the Patriots history, and based on the fact that he managed to pluck two QBs later in the draft when QBs weren't a priority is fucking stupid.

I don't care that he got lucky twice, there's no way he's going into this draft thinking I can get a QB in the 6th round because I've been lucky before if he feels that QB is a priority going into this draft.

[blueballs]

either he can back it up or he can't
it's his neck he put on the line
-if he can good -if he can't nobody will remember his name let alone the quote

[KCrockaholic]

I certainly hope Thigpen welcomes MIKE ****ING SHANAHAN with open arms.

Jesus Christ. He might be the only guy that could turn him into a winning QB.

you still seriously think Shanahan will be our coach? you need to realize it aint gonna happen. You and Shefter can fight to the death for him, for all i care. You might wanna get used to seein the hard ass Todd Haley takin care of business.

[KCrockaholic]

We were not competitive. We were horrible. On BOTH sides of the ball.

eh i dont think you could say we were "horrible" on both sides of the ball. Defense? yes. Offense? we were very mediocre overall, after Thigpen took over and we adjusted the offense we started putting up 17 points in the first half of all our games. It wasnt always pretty, but it got the job done in half #1. It was a different story in the second half though. whether herm told Gailey to calm down the offense at halftime, or what? Idk, but it was utterly embarassing the way we would just throw a game away no matter how big of a lead we had. Now the Thigpen quote
"with just a couple more plays we would have been in the playoffs" thats just plain stupid. I didnt hear the interview or anything but if thats what he said, he does have problems. But I would still be willing to let Thigpen and a Rook battle it out in training camp this year, because if Tyler does good, we can get some trade value out of him, and start our other QB in 2010.

[KCUnited]

Winning twice as many games as the starting QB going into the season will inflate an ego.

[T-post Tom]

From the Tony G. comments that I've read and heard, he never said that Herm shouldn't have been fired. He said that it wasn't all Herm's fault, which is true. While 2-14 should gurarantee a head coach's demise, there's plenty of blame to go around. (Throw the former "King" in there.) He's said that he understands the decision. Now he did say that they were close in some games and may have been overly optimistic. But that's not necessarily a bad position for a veteran team leader on a very young team.

And in one of his last interviews, Gonzo did say that Herm's style of coaching worked with veterans, but no so much with a lot of the younger players. He said that the some of young players took advantage of Herm's trust. Gonzo's comments never included anything that might be offensive to Pioli. Smart. Thigpen's comments? Not so smart. Young qb's shouldn't second guess their GMs. Especially a GM with Pioli's resume.

I base all this on what I've heard and read. If there's other contradictory comments out there that I haven't heard or read, then I stand corrected.

[Red Dawg]

If we don't draft Stafford then Gray should start. No way a new coach is going run the spread offense.

[LanceHunter]

Does anyone think it's possible that Jon Gruden might be interested? Of course there is another year left on Herm's contract, and Cowher was reported to not be interested in any HC job until 2010, so maybe Herm stays till his contract is up hmmm? The QB position would be about competition if there was anyone to compete with Thigpen, Croyle is fragile but is at least mobile.Huard is not and is the least likely to fit with Gailey's offensive scheme IMHO.
I'm hoping that the Chiefs will use there draft pics for defensive linemen and a linebacker predominantly. On the offense I'd like to see another wide receiver, maybe a huge fullback for those 3rd and short or goal line situations and hopefully pick up a decent kicker along the way too. As for drafting a QB well of the ones I would've consodered are returning to Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida for their senior year, that only leaves Mark Sanchez from USC and they won mostly through their defensive play. Speculation can be fun right?

[Tribal Warfare]

If Thigpen has this type of prima donna attitude abou this situation, then trade his ass for a stick of gum or something. One doesn't need this cancer in the lockerroom

[orange]

Does anyone think it's possible that Jon Gruden might be interested? Of course there is another year left on Herm's contract, and Cowher was reported to not be interested in any HC job until 2010, so maybe Herm stays till his contract is up hmmm? The QB position would be about competition if there was anyone to compete with Thigpen, Croyle is fragile but is at least mobile.Huard is not and is the least likely to fit with Gailey's offensive scheme IMHO.
I'm hoping that the Chiefs will use there draft pics for defensive linemen and a linebacker predominantly. On the offense I'd like to see another wide receiver, maybe a huge fullback for those 3rd and short or goal line situations and hopefully pick up a decent kicker along the way too. As for drafting a QB well of the ones I would've consodered are returning to Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida for their senior year, that only leaves Mark Sanchez from USC and they won mostly through their defensive play. Speculation can be fun right?
:doh!::popcorn:

[BigMeatballDave]

Does anyone think it's possible that Jon Gruden might be interested? Of course there is another year left on Herm's contract, and Cowher was reported to not be interested in any HC job until 2010, so maybe Herm stays till his contract is up hmmm? The QB position would be about competition if there was anyone to compete with Thigpen, Croyle is fragile but is at least mobile.Huard is not and is the least likely to fit with Gailey's offensive scheme IMHO.
I'm hoping that the Chiefs will use there draft pics for defensive linemen and a linebacker predominantly. On the offense I'd like to see another wide receiver, maybe a huge fullback for those 3rd and short or goal line situations and hopefully pick up a decent kicker along the way too. As for drafting a QB well of the ones I would've consodered are returning to Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida for their senior year, that only leaves Mark Sanchez from USC and they won mostly through their defensive play. Speculation can be fun right?LMAO

[RustShack]

Does anyone think it's possible that Jon Gruden might be interested? Of course there is another year left on Herm's contract, and Cowher was reported to not be interested in any HC job until 2010, so maybe Herm stays till his contract is up hmmm? The QB position would be about competition if there was anyone to compete with Thigpen, Croyle is fragile but is at least mobile.Huard is not and is the least likely to fit with Gailey's offensive scheme IMHO.
I'm hoping that the Chiefs will use there draft pics for defensive linemen and a linebacker predominantly. On the offense I'd like to see another wide receiver, maybe a huge fullback for those 3rd and short or goal line situations and hopefully pick up a decent kicker along the way too. As for drafting a QB well of the ones I would've consodered are returning to Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida for their senior year, that only leaves Mark Sanchez from USC and they won mostly through their defensive play. Speculation can be fun right?

Jesus Fucking Christ :doh!:

[chiefzilla1501]

If Thigpen has this type of prima donna attitude abou this situation, then trade his ass for a stick of gum or something. One doesn't need this cancer in the lockerroom

Why is he being a cancer or a prima donna?

I have never, ever, ever heard a player in his prime who begged his coach NOT to be the starter.

I don't understand the accusations. Thigpen seems like a good kid. He's worked hard with his receivers, the players seem to really respond to him, the coaches seem to really like him, and he took accountability for his mistakes last year when interviewers tried to blame other people for them. What's not to like?

Again, let me ask what Tyler Thigpen is supposed to say in this situation? If he said he COULDN'T make all of the throws, would that make anyone feel any better about the kid?

[blueballs]

HA
LH is hilarious

[Hammock Parties]

Again, let me ask what Tyler Thigpen is supposed to say in this situation? If he said he COULDN'T make all of the throws, would that make anyone feel any better about the kid?

For him to question the front office and try to dictate what they should do is wrong.

He's a minnow swimming in an ocean filled with very large whale sharks.

STFU AND STFD.

[Skip Towne]

For him to question the front office and try to dictate what they should do is wrong.

He's a minnow swimming in an ocean filled with very large whale sharks.

STFU AND STFD.

Oh, look, 'zilla, virgin boy has spoken.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I have no problem with the majority of his comments. Fact or fiction, the kid is showing an attribute you want from a young QB - confidence. What is the kid going to do, tell the world how much he sucks?

However, I do have a problem with this comment:

"There's no reason for the new GM to draft a QB. We should take a tackle or receiver to put us over the top."

First, he has no business commenting what Pioli should or shouldn't do come draft day.

Second, he's not thinking about the team at all if he thinks that a tackle or a receiver will put them over the top.

A OT or WR might improve Thigpen and the offense, but will do nothing for the team. You'd think this kid would be smart enough to know that he'd have 5 wins under his belt if this team has anything resembling a defense.

To quote Bill Belichick:

"Talk about yourself, or either say something constructive or be supportive. Otherwise, shut the fuck up."

[T-post Tom]

Speculation can be fun right?

not as much fun as doing the forbidden dance

[orange]

Why is he being a cancer or a prima donna?

I have never, ever, ever heard a player in his prime who begged his coach NOT to be the starter.

I don't understand the accusations. Thigpen seems like a good kid. He's worked hard with his receivers, the players seem to really respond to him, the coaches seem to really like him, and he took accountability for his mistakes last year when interviewers tried to blame other people for them. What's not to like?

Again, let me ask what Tyler Thigpen is supposed to say in this situation? If he said he COULDN'T make all of the throws, would that make anyone feel any better about the kid?


First, I wouldn't get too bent because the OP is not actually quoting Thigpen, it's just a guy's interpretation/memory.

BUT... he should have said something like:

"Well, it's going to be a new management, new coaching staff, a new team. We'll all be starting out at square one, again. I'm anxious to compete and win the starting job, I'm confident I will."

Compete and Win being the key words.

[chiefzilla1501]

For him to question the front office and try to dictate what they should do is wrong.

He's a minnow swimming in an ocean filled with very large whale sharks.

STFU AND STFD.

Claythan, if Thigpen said anything less than what he said here you would brand him for not being confident enough to believe he could win the starting position. The kid wants to start. And he is letting his future coaches and front office know that he really wants to start. That's not dictating front office policy. That's letting them know that he feels confident that he can be the starting QB. He's not putting a gun to anyone's head. If Pioli picks a QB in the first round and Thigpen complains, then you have a point. If he starts throwing hissy fits in practice because he's not #1 on the depth chart, or if he starts badmouthing Pioli or his coach for wanting to go with a QB early, then you have a point. But right now, he's just sending a strong message that he feels confident that he is a guy the team can build around.

That's what you want in a QB. You want a kid who wants to play, not a kid who is going through the motions to pick up a check. I don't know how anyone can blame the kid for wanting to start and for having self-confidence.

But I guess what Thigpen should have done is told the radio guy that he hopes the Chiefs take a #3 pick QB because he didn't think he was a good enough starter, and to say that he feels like he's a future backup. That sounds a lot more reasonable.

[Hammock Parties]

He flat out came out and said they should have kept Herm.

Sorry, I don't want him as MY quarterback with comments like that.

If he had any sense he'd realize that Herm was holding him back. Unfortunately his entire NFL life, for the most part, has been Herm Edwards. So he doesn't like the fact that he's gone. People can be very frightened of change.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

"I've showed I can make all the throws."


How about the deep ball son? You missed that every day and ten times on Sundays.

[chiefzilla1501]

He flat out came out and said they should have kept Herm.

Sorry, I don't want him as MY quarterback with comments like that.

If he had any sense he'd realize that Herm was holding him back. Unfortunately his entire NFL life, for the most part, has been Herm Edwards. So he doesn't like the fact that he's gone. People can be very frightened of change.

I guarantee that Thigpen is one of many who will say the same exact thing. Herm was a players' coach. Of course he's going to have players that say they didn't want Herm fired. Just like guys like Kerry Rhodes didn't understand why Mangini was fired. I don't think that says in the slightest that Thigpen would be unwilling to work with a different coach.

Thigpen is young. If there's anything I've learned in life, it's that change is very easy to do, but sometimes someone has to force you to do it. Have we actually seen Thigpen say or act like he's unwilling to work with a different coach? Have we heard Thigpen actually whine or throw a hissy fit about bringing in another QB? Have we seen him do anything at all in his actions that leads us to believe that he will ever prove to be even remotely a distraction?

I'm not saying the answer to those questions will always be "no." But for now those answers are "no."

[Hammock Parties]

Whatever. The correct answer was:

"I liked Herm but this is a business and we didn't get it done. Someone is going to have to take the fall for that and in this case it was the head coach."

You don't say:

"There was no reason to get rid of Herm."

That's basically the equivalent of saying:

"Fuck the front office."

[chiefzilla1501]

Whatever. The correct answer was:

"I liked Herm but this is a business and we didn't get it done. Someone is going to have to take the fall for that and in this case it was the head coach."

You don't say:

"There was no reason to get rid of Herm."

That's basically the equivalent of saying:

"**** the front office."

That's your interpretation of it. He probably should have said some things more delicately, but I think they are more harmless than we make them out to be. And I think every front office expects the players to defend their coach. I don't think the front office gives two shits, nor do I think Thigpen cares if they give two shits.

If he dwells on the issue, if he refuses to move on and undermines the new coaching staff because maybe they do some things differently, if he becomes a distraction during the offseason and season for lobbying for playing time, and if he refuses to put the work in to improve, I'll change my mind. But for now, I've seen nothing that acts as a warning sign about the kid's character.

[Tribal Warfare]

Why is he being a cancer or a prima donna?



He's airing out his dirty laundry, professionals don't do that period.

[|Zach|]

He's airing out his dirty laundry, professionals don't do that period.

You are completely blowing this out of proportion. The god of message board sports fans smiles down on you today.

[Tribal Warfare]

You are completely blowing this out of proportion. The god of message board sports fans smiles down on you today.

No I'm not, he's whining because he's not going to be handed the starters job.

[tk13]

It's really not that surprising, you shouldn't be surprised either. We traded for him and got him out of Minnesota, Herm picked him over every QB the last two preseasons, Casey Printers, Quinn Gray, etc. to keep him on the roster, then stuck with him and gave him a chance over Huard and completely changed the offense around to suit his style of play. Of course he's going to feel some loyalty to Herm.

If anybody here had a job where they were unappreciated, went somewhere else and worked for a boss that stuck with you and changed everything to accomodate your needs, then he gets fired and a new guy is coming in... you're going to worry about your job security too.

That doesn't mean he's right, but he's not going to be using common sense, and you wouldn't be either. If you say you would, you're full of crap.

[chiefzilla1501]

No I'm not, he's whining because he's not going to be handed the starters job.

He is not whining. He is confidently stating that he believes he can be a long-term starter for the Chiefs. There's a huge distinction.

Again, find me a single young QB who would ever say "I want to be a backup."

[Tribal Warfare]

He is not whining. He is confidently stating that he believes he can be a long-term starter for the Chiefs. There's a huge distinction.



BS, you prove what you want on the field especially at QB. A player at that position shouldn't ever draw unnecessary attention to himself leaders don't do that.

[ChiefsLV]

I actually think this is a smart move by Thigpen. By making it known that he will not be satisfied with anything other than a starting job, he is forcing the Chiefs hand in either starting him, trading him, or cutting him. Either way, he either has a starting job with the Chiefs or gets to go to a team that will give him a shot for it. He has shown potential if nothing else so far and I think there are teams out there willing to give him a shot to be the QBOTF.

[chiefzilla1501]

BS, you prove what you want on the field especially at QB. A player at that position shouldn't ever draw unnecessary attention to himself leaders don't do that.

Nobody follows a leader who is unpassionate about his job and who isn't confident in the kind of job he can do. I think most would agree that we saw a ton more fire and confidence in Thigpen than we ever saw in Croyle.

I agree that you don't want a prima donna. But the only reason this is deemed as "unnecessary attention" is because of the attention we are paying to it. 99.5% of America probably never heard the interview and probably didn't think twice after hearing the interview. These were a few completely harmless comments that I'm sure nobody on the team or in the front office could give two shits about. The only people who care are people on this message board who like to overanalyze things (and yes, I realize I am one o fthese people)

[Tribal Warfare]

Nobody follows a leader who is unpassionate about his job and who isn't confident in the kind of job he can do.





If he really believes in his ability he doesn't need to say anything in front of the media. If Thigpen wanted to voice any displeasure you keep that shit in house, and not let it spill to the public. You never saw Elway, Montana, Marino, Brady, Manning ect... pull this because they are leaders and not pretending to be.

[Ultra Peanut]

Does anyone think it's possible that Jon Gruden might be interested? Of course there is another year left on Herm's contract, and Cowher was reported to not be interested in any HC job until 2010, so maybe Herm stays till his contract is up hmmm? The QB position would be about competition if there was anyone to compete with Thigpen, Croyle is fragile but is at least mobile.Huard is not and is the least likely to fit with Gailey's offensive scheme IMHO.
I'm hoping that the Chiefs will use there draft pics for defensive linemen and a linebacker predominantly. On the offense I'd like to see another wide receiver, maybe a huge fullback for those 3rd and short or goal line situations and hopefully pick up a decent kicker along the way too. As for drafting a QB well of the ones I would've consodered are returning to Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida for their senior year, that only leaves Mark Sanchez from USC and they won mostly through their defensive play. Speculation can be fun right?There is not a single thing in this post that isn't amazing.

[EyePod]

So I get in the car to head home from taking my wife to dinner, and who's on Sirius radio "Late Hits" show?

Jim Miller & whatshisname are interviewing Tyler Thigpen. I didn't catch the whole thing as I missed most of it by screaming at him because of some crap he was saying, and then my wife made me change the channel so I would calm down and quit speeding.

Some of the tidbits that enraged me:

"There was no reason to get rid of Herm, with just a couple of more plays this year we could have made the playoffs."
"I've proved I'm a starting QB in this league."
"I've showed I can make all the throws."
"I've earned the starting QB position."
"There's no reason for the new GM to draft a QB. We should take a tackle or receiver to put us over the top."

Yada, yada, yada.

This is the main reason I wanted Herm gone. He was so positive, I think it gave the young players a sense of over-cockiness, making them believe they were better than reality. He made them believe we're really close, and only 1 or 2 players away.

Heck, instead of telling them the truth, which should inspire players to push themselves harder to improve, I believe he just inflated their self-assesments to try to convince them everyone that we were close. He actually had all the players thinking that we were a playoff team with bad luck...

I really hope we get a fiery coach that will come in and say, "Look, you have potential, yes. But on any other team right now, you would be on the practice squad. Now maybe you should go hit the weight room or film room to get better so you can better and tell people you're an NFL player with dignity."

I think Haley could do this. He was the reason that Fitz got so much better this offseason with yards after the catch. The fact that he wasn't blowing him and was able to help him get better at the same time... damn we could have some awesome players. Imagine someone helping Bowe with his drops... he'd be one of the elite's.

[Mecca]

Thigpen is upset because as I said in another thread the departure of Herm Edwards almost certainly ends the spread which well ends him.

And this constant Pioli and QB's not being taken high sounds exactly like what everyone said after Dimitrov took the Falcons job in regards to Ryan...

[BigRichard]

I don't get why people get worked up over this stuff. If you have a QB who doesn't think he should play, you're going to be in trouble.

That doesn't make his opinion right, but would you rather he said "Oh shucks, I'm not just good enough." No offense but that's crazy. That can help make the difference between coming in and making the best of your situation like Thigpen, or curling up in a ball like Huard. Now if he starts causing problems and undermining the team that's another thing, but as right now this is harmless. Rather have a guy eager to get in there than someone happy to hold a clipboard.

This

[Cheater5]

This

Agree. Didn't know jack and sh*t about Thigpen until the Atlanta game- but Stevie Wonder can see he developed and matured over the season. Also obvious Tony G. has mentored him quite a bit. Croyle is a "nice guy" who is humble, works hard, and says the right things. That's great when you're winning. I have zero confidence in him winning a game for us late in the game. He's made out of chalk.

Thigpen is at least scrappy and takes charge in the huddle. With the right coaching, a solid number two.

Yup- I think we've collectively been in legit QB withdrawal since an aging Trent went down in September 2006, and we have come to accept mediocre as good, good as great, and 'flashes' of great play as evidence of a franchise QB.

[Tribal Warfare]

he developed and matured over the season.

LMAO

[MahiMike]

I never understand why people get so upset by what players, coaches, GM's say in public. They NEVER say how they really feel. They only say what (they think) you want to hear. Tyler's just showing he's made it past his rookie status by speaking like a pro.

[Tribal Warfare]

Tyler's just showing he's made it past his rookie status by speaking like a pro.



He's not speaking like a professional, he's coming across as a pouting child.

[stevieray]

I'm going to LMAO if Thigpen gets a chance at the starting job..the sideline braintrust will again try to prove how they know more than Pioli, thus ending the love affair before a game is even played.

[Cheater5]

LMAO

Okay, fair enough. Perhaps I should quantify that a bit; he is more developed than Tavarius Jackson, and more mature than Ryan Leaf. Aint sayin' much.

I also stated he is a solid #2, not a legit starter on a team in contention.

[Chiefnj2]

Only on the Chiefs Planet is having a young confident QB a bad thing.

[BigChiefFan]

Yes, Thiggy all of your wins makes you the starter, right?

[Tribal Warfare]

Only on the Chiefs Planet is having a young confident QB a bad thing.

Their's a difference in being confident compared to drawing unnecessary attention to ones self because he's scared in losing his job. I have no problem if he kept this in house, but broadcasting it to the media shows how immature he is.

[Chiefnj2]

Their's a difference in being confident compared to drawing unnecessary attention to ones self because he's scared in losing his job. I have no problem if he kept this in house, but broadcasting it to the media shows how immature he is.

The media called him for his opinion on Herm's firing, right? Why not be confident?

[Tribal Warfare]

Why not be confident?

It's not being confident it's being a pompous jackass, this "I" bullshit is very selfish and classless. He should've stated a very moderated opinion and that's it.

[cmh6476]

"There's no reason for the new GM to draft a QB. We should take a tackle or receiver to put us over the top."



we're missing the bigger picture. What does that say about Quinn Gray, Ingle Martin and Brodie Croyle??!@!@# :hyper:

[ClevelandBronco]

I'm not going to voice an opinion.

Hell, I thought offering LJ the new contract was the right move.

[Bowser]

Hell, I thought offering LJ the new contract was the right move.

As a Bronco fan, I'm sure you were pleased. Hindsight, she be a bitch....

[ClevelandBronco]

As a Bronco fan, I'm sure you were pleased. Hindsight, she be a bitch....

I ended up being pleased about the Chiefs' predicament, and embarrassed about my football judgment.

[Bowser]

I ended up being pleased about the Chiefs' predicament, and embarrassed about my football judgment.

Yeah, me too. How silly of me to consider that it might have been our all-world offensive line (at the time) that made LJ, not vice-versa. He's a good back, maybe even great back, but not a 27 mil guaranteed back.

[Extra Point]

Tyler Bigpimp firing up the trade bus.

[Reerun_KC]

Only on the Chiefs Planet is having a young confident QB a bad thing.

Its one thing to have a young confident QB, but to have a young confident QB that sucks ass is another...

Thigpen can STFU and GTFO... We are rebuilding an NFL team now. Thigpen better hope he has Curl and Herm on speed dial, He is going to need it...

[okcchief]

He is very naive. Everyone knows when you get a new boss what you did yesterday means shit.

I have no problem with the confidence but keep it yourself and show it on the field. He showed signs of promise but has earned nada.

[Tribal Warfare]

Tyler Bigpimp firing up the trade bus.

maybe a team is dumb enough to shell a mid-round pick for him like Detroit or something

[KCCHIEFS27]

The guy is an NFL player, not a politician. Too many times do fans get wishy-washy with this sort of business. One day they want to hear the absolute truth from guys, then another day they want the guy to answer a question judiciously. Do you think anybody outside of KC gives a shit about what he said? Let me help you out, NO. It is obviously a no win situation for the players. I forget, but did anybody jump on Tony G's back for saying he wanted Herman to stick around? I think I've mentioned this a half dozen times, but I'm interested in seeing what Pioli does without Belichick around to guide him..

[BigMeatballDave]

Only on the Chiefs Planet is having a young confident QB a bad thing.:spock: If he was actually a franchise QB, we'd care...

[Reerun_KC]

:spock: If he was actually a franchise QB, we'd care...

This!

[BigMeatballDave]

I'm going to LMAO if Thigpen gets a chance at the starting job..the sideline braintrust will again try to prove how they know more than Pioli, thus ending the love affair before a game is even played.Oh, he should be given an opportunity. He's just not talented enough to win it.

[BigMeatballDave]

Thigpen is at least scrappy and takes charge in the huddle. With the right coaching, a solid number two.

He's a solid #2 right now. I don't want a #2 starting for my team.

[KCCHIEFS27]

:spock: If he was actually a franchise QB, we'd care...

What did you see that gave you the impression he couldn't be our starter?

[Cheater5]

He's a solid #2 right now. I don't want a #2 starting for my team.

We are violently agreeing with eachother. :D

[Coogs]

Without reading this thread, I would agree that Thigpen should be the starter heading into the preparation for next season. I disagree on the point where we shouldn't draft a QB and look for a position to put us over the top. I don't think we are going over the top next year anyway. Maybe in two years, but not next year.

Now if we draft Stafford or Sanchez, then Thigpen will be under the gun to start taking this team over the top. If not, then once the drafted QB is ready, then the change is made.

Then we pick up the player/players at the top of the draft next year to put us over the top.

[Hammock Parties]

Without reading this thread, I would agree that Thigpen should be the starter heading into the preparation for next season.

No one should be named starter. It should be an open competition.

[Coogs]

No one should be named starter. It should be an open competition.

When you start OTA's, someone has to go out there with the first string. Thigpen should probably be that person. How long he holds on to that spot should most definately be an open competition.

[Hammock Parties]

When you start OTA's, someone has to go out there with the first string. Thigpen should probably be that person.

Not necessarily. You can rotate them.

[Coogs]

Not necessarily. You can rotate them.

Whatever dude.

[Rooster]

What did you see that gave you the impression he couldn't be our starter?

We watch him play most of last season. What did you see that gave you the impression that he should be our starter?

[chiefzilla1501]

Not necessarily. You can rotate them.

Thigpen deserves the job until proven otherwise. As of now, even if you draft Sanchez or Stafford, he is the most NFL-proven starter on the roster. The worst thing we could do is entitle any QB to the job because of his draft position.

Thigpen starts the offseason as the consensus first string QB, but a fair set of eyes needs to fairly evaluate if the second-string QB is outperforming Thigpen in the offseason.

I don't know if Thigpen is the QBOTF. I just can't get over how many people are so convinced after 8 games that he is not, especially given the circumstances he was thrown into.

[afchiefs]

We watch him play most of last season. What did you see that gave you the impression that he should be our starter?

I saw a player that lacked experience. One pass would be a bullet right on the mark, the next wouldn't even be catchable. I say give him a chance in T.C., who cares what he said off the field after all we had drug dealers, etc. on the team, I'm sure we can handle a little non-P.C. statements. And by the the way because this board has virtaually guarenteeed that NO spread OF QB will make it in the NFL we have eliminated about 1/2 our QB prospects and unless the college scene changes the Pro style prospects will fewer and fewer. Just my 0.02

[Hammock Parties]

The worst thing we could do is entitle any QB to the job because of his draft position.


I agree. That's why you don't declare a starter. You give them both reps with the first team until one separates himself. By preseason it should be pretty obvious who the front runner is, especially since we're dealing with one quarterback who lacks accuracy.

If the guy the Chiefs draft is all that, he'll blow Thigpen out of the water. Coaches aren't going to be impressed by a guy making plays with his legs in training camp.

[King_Chief_Fan]

funny he thinks he earned anything. He got the job because he was all that was left. He will have to compete. If all the Chiefs do is keep what they got, he will win the job....I am hoping for something more than Thigpen.

[chiefzilla1501]

I agree. That's why you don't declare a starter. You give them both reps with the first team until one separates himself. By preseason it should be pretty obvious who the front runner is, especially since we're dealing with one quarterback who lacks accuracy.

If the guy the Chiefs draft is all that, he'll blow Thigpen out of the water. Coaches aren't going to be impressed by a guy making plays with his legs in training camp.

But you don't have to do that. If you've drafted a first round QB, you've already put the pressure on Thigpen to deliver results or lose his job. Almost every first round QB that started the offseason with the second string ended up starting within 1-2 seasons.

Platooning reps in the offseason is a strong sign that you are ready to give up on Thigpen. Before you bench Thigpen forever, you need to find out that without a shadow of a doubt that he is not your future. That means you give him an offseason to prove whether or not he has improved enough to succeed, given all the resources--full time to work with coaches, full time to work with receivers, full time to improve his mechanics. If he's nothing short of spectacular, history has shown that most coaches are not hesitant at all to cut the cord and put a first round QB in, especially if the backup is a top 5 pick.

We'll have the next 5 years to evaluate if Stafford, Sanchez, or whomever is the answer at QB. We have only 5 or 6 games to do that with Thigpen. Thigpen deserves a full-fledged shot to prove he isn't the answer before we bench him forever. And 8 starts with a brand new offense, working with receivers you had no offseason reps with, playing with a shoddy supporting cast, being coached by coaches who have no idea how to season a QB and spent 95% of the offseason grooming Brodie Croyle is NOT a fair chance.

[Hammock Parties]

Before you bench Thigpen forever, you need to find out that without a shadow of a doubt that he is not your future.


Oh please. He hasn't earned the right to be given that kind of opportunity.

If you take a first round quarterback and tell him "here, go play with these scrubs while we hand the pride of coastal carolina the keys to the first-team offense," you're not doing your franchise or him any favors. Saying "we have five years to evalute whoever we draft" is ridiculous, too. Most of these guys you know about in a year or two, maybe three at the most, unless they sit on the bench.

[Rooster]

Thigpen won the same amount of games as Huard did in twice as many games. I like Thiggy. He's a fun story but not an NFL starting QB, IMO.

[R&GHomer]

No one should be named starter. It should be an open competition.

I agree with you. He deserves a chance to compete, let Pioli do what ever he wants with drafting a QB and then let them slug it out in camp. I'm not sold on either of the two big name QB's coming out this year. I'm a fan, not a coach and Pioli has shown he can pick them.... Un-like the other clown we just ran out of town.

[Coogs]

It is pretty much common sense you rotate your guys in in the off-season.

But the first time you line up for a snap in that first OTA, who is under center is going to send out a message loud and clear one way or another. If you put in Ingle Martin with Gonzo, LJ, Waters... and all of the rest of the starters, the new coach is probably going to lack some real credibility with the players.

If you send out Stafford or Sanchez to take that first snap... you are sending a huge message as well.

If you send out Croyle to take that first snap, eyebrows will probably be raised big time.

That first snap (hence starter) probably should be taken by Thigpen by all rights.

What happens between then and the first of September should be totally up for grabs.

[Hammock Parties]

But the first time you line up for a snap in that first OTA, who is under center is going to send out a message loud and clear one way or another.

Napoleon Harris took the first snap at MLB last offseason.

Overrated. Quickly forgotten.

[Coogs]

Napoleon Harris took the first snap at MLB last offseason.

Overrated. Quickly forgotten.

Damn glad you are not coaching. Nap Harris should have been out there on the first snap. He didn't hold on to the spot.

New coach sends out Ingle Martin for the first snap and it is not going to be quickly forgotten and it most definatley will not be overrated.

But let's not go with Ingle Martin.

You don't think sending out Sanchez for the first snap with the first unit on the first day of OTA's would have any repercutions? You would be way wrong.

[BigMeatballDave]

Thigpen deserves the job until proven otherwise. As of now, even if you draft Sanchez or Stafford, he is the most NFL-proven starter on the roster. The worst thing we could do is entitle any QB to the job because of his draft position.

Thigpen starts the offseason as the consensus first string QB, but a fair set of eyes needs to fairly evaluate if the second-string QB is outperforming Thigpen in the offseason.

I don't know if Thigpen is the QBOTF. I just can't get over how many people are so convinced after 8 games that he is not, especially given the circumstances he was thrown into.Stafford or Sanchez would beat him out, with ease.

[Hammock Parties]

Damn glad you are not coaching. Nap Harris should have been out there on the first snap. He didn't hold on to the spot.

New coach sends out Ingle Martin for the first snap and it is not going to be quickly forgotten and it most definatley will not be overrated.

But let's not go with Ingle Martin.

You don't think sending out Sanchez for the first snap with the first unit on the first day of OTA's would have any repercutions? You would be way wrong.

Your hypothetical is ridiculous.

In August no one will care who took the first snap be it Stafford or Thigpen.

No one.

[BigMeatballDave]

Thigpen deserves a full-fledged shot to prove he isn't the answer before we bench him forever. No, he doesn't. We did not invest a 1st rd pick for him. We draft a QB and let them compete in a PRO-STYLE offense. Thig is a back-up. Period.

[KcFanInGA]

Oh, Thiggy made all the throws all right. Opposing safeties and corners got plenty of practice catching Thigpens airballs. I like Thigpen to be honest, and have no problem with him being the starter as long as he continues to improve, and even that was slacking towards the end of the season. But for him to say he has earned the job...over Huard and Croyle..def..over Gray and Martin, not to mention any qb we may draft, is ludacris! I wasn't aware Herm was mind****ing the players this bad!

[KcFanInGA]

No, he doesn't. We did not invest a 1st rd pick for him. We draft a QB and let them compete in a PRO-STYLE offense. Thig is a back-up. Period.

:clap: Totally agree with this. Thigpen has not proved at all whether or not he can handle anything besides the spread offense, and we arent going to win in this league running a spread 24/7, no way.

[Tribal Warfare]

No, he doesn't. We did not invest a 1st rd pick for him. We draft a QB and let them compete in a PRO-STYLE offense. Thig is a back-up. Period.

Hell, he's a waiver wire QB

[Mecca]

Herm really seems to have made all these players think they are great and were on a great team and they're only 1 or 2 guys away....it's bizarre.

[Coogs]

Your hypothetical is ridiculous.

In August no one will care who took the first snap be it Stafford or Thigpen.

No one.

First off, it is not hypothetical.

If we draft a QB in round, you just wait and see how much press that decision gets on who runs with the first unit.

It's going to be a huge decision by the new HC.

The safe route for right now is to let Thigpen take that first snap with the first unit.

And I am still glad you are not the HC of this team.

[chiefzilla1501]

Stafford or Sanchez would beat him out, with ease.

Then let them beat him out. Don't ****ing entitle anyone to a starting job because of their draft position.

[chiefzilla1501]

Hell, he's a waiver wire QB

That is exactly the kind of bullshit that we're trying to avoid.

Because Thigpen didn't do ANYTHING positive to even suggest he's a THIRD string QB. Ridiculous.

[Tribal Warfare]

That is exactly the kind of bullshit that we're trying to avoid.

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Giveme a fucking break, you are trying to justify his immature behavior of entitlement for a below average year.

[Hammock Parties]

First off, it is not hypothetical.


Talking about Ingle Martin taking the first snap is ridiculous, yes.

[chiefzilla1501]

Giveme a ****ing break, you are trying to justify his immature behavior of entitlement for a below average year.

And you are trying to paint a bunch of harmless comments as dealbreakers for a young kid.

I'd love to sit in an interview room with you. When somebody asks you if you want the job, I'm sure your response is "I sort of think I want the job, but I don't know if I'm good enough for it." I bet that lands you all kinds of job offers.

[chiefzilla1501]

Oh, Thiggy made all the throws all right. Opposing safeties and corners got plenty of practice catching Thigpens airballs. I like Thigpen to be honest, and have no problem with him being the starter as long as he continues to improve, and even that was slacking towards the end of the season. But for him to say he has earned the job...over Huard and Croyle..def..over Gray and Martin, not to mention any qb we may draft, is ludacris! I wasn't aware Herm was mind****ing the players this bad!

But what would the city of Kansas City's reaction be if Thigpen said he DIDN'T deserve the job?

I understand your point, but think about that for a second.

The same people on this thread who are ripping Thigpen for being cocky are going to be the same people who rip him for being unconfident.

Classic case of making mountains out of mohills.

[Tribal Warfare]

And you are trying to paint a bunch of harmless comments as dealbreakers for a young kid.
s.



The QB position deals with utmost maturity and professionalism, and such a player instigates these antics truly shows that he can't lead a offense or a team.

[chiefzilla1501]

The QB position deals with utmost maturity and professionalism, and such a player instigates these antics truly shows that he can't lead a offense or a team.

What antics? Supporting his coach? Saying he is confident that he deserves a starting job?

If those are "antics" then you apparently think 95% of NFL QBs are not worth playing in the NFL.

Sure, he could have said it a little better. But I just can't believe people are seriously using this as evidence of some sort of immaturity.

Again, if Thigpen said anything else, the same critics would have railed on him for being unconfident.

[Tribal Warfare]

What antics? Supporting his coach? Saying he is confident that he deserves a starting job?



Talking bullshit to the media, you keep that shit iin house.