Complete this sentence: An NFL team is doomed to fail if they don't have (BLANK)

[Braincase]

I'm going to say GREAT LINEMEN.

It all starts with the offensive & defensive linemen. You can get by with mediocre QB & RB's if you have a great offensive line. If you have great defensive linemen, you'll pressure the QB, making mediocre defensive backs look like all-pros.

Anyone else have an opinion?

[the Talking Can]

yes, that's dumb....and both teams in the superbowl prove it

[MGRS13]

A franchise QB. ITS THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION ON THE FIELD!

[DeezNutz]

At times, the Chiefs have had both great O-line and D-line play. How many SB's?

Failure = no quarterback.

[Hammock Parties]

A right tackle.

[teedubya]

a good front office and talent evaluators.

[DeezNutz]

Can someone generate a poll to determine the relative importance of a center compared to a QB?

Cause I'm thinking it's about equal...

[Skip Towne]

Herm?

[Braincase]

Can someone generate a poll to determine the relative importance of a center compared to a QB?

Cause I'm thinking it's about equal...

Alot of QB's careers have been shortened due to poor protection. You can have the greatest QB on the planet, but if he doesn't have protection, he's going to end up on IR.

[FringeNC]

an above average GM and HC. If they do, everything else falls into place.

[Bugeater]

A great front office.

[dj56dt58]

balance

[DeezNutz]

Alot of QB's careers have been shortened due to poor protection. You can have the greatest QB on the planet, but if he doesn't have protection, he's going to end up on IR.

Just poking a little fun at the guard/QB discussion.

Everyone knows protection is important.

I agree with the posts, however, that GM/HC is where everything begins.

[Sully]

Plenty of fluids and access to clean restrooms.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Strong leadership.

[North Dakota Chief]

Don't have access to charter jets and buses.

[Hydrae]

Cute cheerleaders!









Now you know why the Chiefs have not gotten anywhere in so long.

[tk13]

Not just a good GM and HC...we've seen good pairs of those...but a GM and coach that works together well while a GM feeds the HC good players. Regardless of what people think of Marty, Vermeil, and Herm...all three of those guys had more success in other places when they had better GM's feeding them players. They come here under Carl, hiring assistants they don't want, throwing people under the bus, etc.

In terms of line play I'd definitely say a good defensive line, unless you're a 3-4 team... but you definitely need a defensive line that can hold the line of scrimmage to stuff the run and rush the passer. The Giants last year beat the greatest offense of all time because their D-line was outstanding. The Cardinals offense is great and that's all people "talk about", but their defense led the league in turnovers and has really stepped up in the playoffs. People say teams like that, the Colts, the Rams, their defense got carried by the offense, and yeah it helped... but if you lived through the DV era you know that in reality those offensive players can't play D, there comes a time where the defense has to stand on it's own. Those Super Bowl teams actually did that, but a lot of times (Chiefs, Saints, etc), they don't. The team that plays better defense is usually going to win the game.

[pr_capone]

A dominating receiver be it WR or TE.

An excellent pass receiver can make an average QB look good and a good one look like a HOF'er. If there is no threat of a passing game, teams can stack against the run and its game over.

Going back in history of teams in the SB to 2005

Arizona - Boldin, Fitzgerald
Steelers - Ward, Holmes (included because over 800 yards for a #2 WR is GREAT plus KR)
Patriots - Moss, Welker
Giants - Burress, Shockey/Boss
Bears - Berrian (stretch?)
Colts - Harrison, Wayne
Seahawks - Branch
Steelers - Ward, Holmes (included because over 800 yards for a #2 WR is GREAT plus KR)
Eagles - Owens
Patriots - Branch

[North Dakota Chief]

A dominating receiver be it WR or TE.

An excellent pass receiver can make an average QB look good and a good one look like a HOF'er. If there is no threat of a passing game, teams can stack against the run and its game over.

Going back in history of teams in the SB to 2005

Arizona - Boldin, Fitzgerald
Steelers - Ward, Holmes (included because over 800 yards for a #2 WR is GREAT plus KR)
Patriots - Moss, Welker
Giants - Burress, Shockey/Boss
Bears - Berrian (stretch?)
Colts - Harrison, Wayne
Seahawks - Branch
Steelers - Ward, Holmes (included because over 800 yards for a #2 WR is GREAT plus KR)
Eagles - Owens
Patriots - Branch

Where is Plaxico Burress on one of the Steeler teams? Santonio Holmes was an Ohio St. Buckeye in 2005. Should Deion Branch be considered a dominating receiver?

[Dayze]

competent scounting department.

[Thig Lyfe]

a solid backup fullback

[Bugeater]

Rich Scanlon.

[Lonewolf Ed]

How can I pinpoint what it is a team needs to succeed? I am a Chiefs fan.

[Thig Lyfe]

great PR!

[ChiefsCountry]

Chiefs teams of the 90's should tell you what position is the most important.......QB. We had a great OL and DL yet we couldnt win, not to mention every year we got beat by a stud QB.

[stevieray]

Helmets.

[Thig Lyfe]

Jesus.

[Basileus777]

If they don't make more field goals than they miss.

[tk13]

Chiefs teams of the 90's should tell you what position is the most important.......QB. We had a great OL and DL yet we couldnt win, not to mention every year we got beat by a stud QB.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I think you need a QB, but Chiefs fans all say that because we've never had one. Somebody else might have a different answer. Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl, Drew Brees hasn't been to one. Elway didn't win one until he had an all-universe running back. Even Manning didn't win one until their defense stepped up and actually started playing. Favre only won one when Reggie White was playing on the other side of the ball.

The typical response is "Well of course you need more than a QB." Well, yeah... like a good defensive line, etc. But that's not how people come off. I think it's very difficult to say because several of these things are independent of each other, it's hard to find any of them.

[kstater]

Carl Perterson

[Infidel Goat]

an excellent coach.

[Fritz88]

I'm going to say GREAT LINEMEN.

It all starts with the offensive & defensive linemen. You can get by with mediocre QB & RB's if you have a great offensive line. If you have great defensive linemen, you'll pressure the QB, making mediocre defensive backs look like all-pros.

Anyone else have an opinion?

This and the proof is how the Ravens made it this far. It was not because Flacco is a superb QB (he's average at best), it was because he had good D and good OL.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

yes, that's dumb....and both teams in the superbowl prove it

Great QB first and foremost.

But to discount the lines is idiotic, and it's the REASON Pittsburgh is in this Super Bowl. It's also the reason they compete well year in and year out. They place a premium on trench-warfare. They have for years.
Ben and Troy can have an off-year, but those lines won't. That O-line helps make Parker look a hell of a lot better than he is. Edgerin James would look like a God with that line.
Their D-line brings enough pressure to allow LB's and Safeties more options in rushing and helping the Corners. They're gonna' need that in this Super Bowl.

How does this relate to the Chiefs? You get a couple of in-house leaders on both sides of the ball, and rotate free agents to fill in the rest.
Line legs get old and worn-out fast. They also come relatively cheap.

[FloridaMan88]

an excellent coach.

It is rare, but a team can be so talented they can win a Super Bowl with a mediocre coach.

See Barry Switzer

[pr_capone]

Where is Plaxico Burress on one of the Steeler teams? Santonio Holmes was an Ohio St. Buckeye in 2005.

oops... copy paste typo

lol

[Ultra Peanut]

A core of great players?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

It is rare, but a team can be so talented they can win a Super Bowl with a mediocre coach.

See Barry Switzer

It's good to see that Barry's "jaw-sessions" with Boob Douche have paid such handsome dividends...
:LOL:

[melbar]

Great line play. Both sides

Marino never had a great line...no SB. Dilfer did...SB. The Bears went with Grossman.

There are always exceptions and this years poor line play by the Steelers is an anomaly.

[blueballs]

refs in your pocket
the line between a good year and bad
can be brodie croyle thin

[Rain Man]

11 players on the field.

[KCCHIEFS27]

if they don't have money..

[DaFace]

Penises. A women's football team probably wouldn't do very well in the NFL.

[Infidel Goat]

It is rare, but a team can be so talented they can win a Super Bowl with a mediocre coach.

See Barry Switzer

True enough. I guess it took Barry a couple of seasons to uncoach them...

[RealSNR]

Rich Scanlon.This.

[beach tribe]

a good front office and talent evaluators.

This.

[North Dakota Chief]

State-of-the-art luxury boxes. Personal Seat Licenses. PPV Preseason Games. $500 Club Seat Tickets. $500 Permits for RV Parking. Home and Away Alternate Jerseys.

How else are we going to max the cap space?

[Chief Pote]

A good kicker...there I said it.

[cabletech94]

The best hot dog condiment bar in the NFL.

[JuicesFlowing]

Hot cheerleaders.

[Rain Man]

Cups.

[penguinz]

Alot of QB's careers have been shortened due to poor protection. You can have the greatest QB on the planet, but if he doesn't have protection, he's going to end up on IR.Perfect example is Brodie Croyle :p

[mcan]

An NFL team is doomed to fail if they don't have:

POINTS

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Mitch Hothlus! (Finally; Kansas contributes something to the world!)

[CHENZ A!]

arms and legs

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

arms and legs

Seeing Eye Dogs at Ford Field.

[Cheeze529]

Great Punter! Joking, offense line, with a great offensive line you can dictate the pace of the game.

[StcChief]

Herm Edwards..... oh....wait... this is not team that is doomed.

[KCChiefsMan]

A decent coach

[KCBOSS1]

o line, d line, o line, d line, o line, o line, o line, o line, etc.

[Extra Point]

Coaches that makes optimal use of their players' skills.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Great fans like the chiefs have.

[badgirl]

good blockers

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Mojo, and lot's of it.

[cdcox]

An NFL team is doomed to fail if they don't have

... enough sense to avoid depending on a FG kicker.

You may up depending on one, but that shouldn't be your plan. You need to dominate the other team so the game isn't even close. You need to keep scoring when you have the hot hand. You need to have a defense that can get off the field in 3 downs. You need to be able to physically dominate the other team. You need to have a game plan that keeps the other team guessing and another one that is completely different for the second half so their half-time adjustments fail.

To do this you need dominating offensive and defensive linemen. You need a franchise QB. You need elite athletes at the receiver positions. You need fantastic team speed on defense. You need a pass rush that makes the QB sick to his stomach just thinking about it. You need it all.

You're not going to be successful in all the above, but if you give up on striving for excellence at any position on the team, if you don't have a dominant mind set at every moment, then you'll end up planning to count on your FG kicker and you'll fail.

[Rain Man]

A great quality control coach.

[North Dakota Chief]

An NFL team is doomed to fail if they don't have

... enough sense to avoid depending on a FG kicker.

You may up depending on one, but that shouldn't be your plan. You need to dominate the other team so the game isn't even close. You need to keep scoring when you have the hot hand. You need to have a defense that can get off the field in 3 downs. You need to be able to physically dominate the other team. You need to have a game plan that keeps the other team guessing and another one that is completely different for the second half so their half-time adjustments fail.

To do this you need dominating offensive and defensive linemen. You need a franchise QB. You need elite athletes at the receiver positions. You need fantastic team speed on defense. You need a pass rush that makes the QB sick to his stomach just thinking about it. You need it all.

You're not going to be successful in all the above, but if you give up on striving for excellence at any position on the team, if you don't have a dominant mind set at every moment, then you'll end up planning to count on your FG kicker and you'll fail.

this:clap:

[Saulbadguy]

Functioning endocrine systems.

[tk13]

An NFL team is doomed to fail if they don't have

... enough sense to avoid depending on a FG kicker.

You may up depending on one, but that shouldn't be your plan. You need to dominate the other team so the game isn't even close. You need to keep scoring when you have the hot hand. You need to have a defense that can get off the field in 3 downs. You need to be able to physically dominate the other team. You need to have a game plan that keeps the other team guessing and another one that is completely different for the second half so their half-time adjustments fail.

To do this you need dominating offensive and defensive linemen. You need a franchise QB. You need elite athletes at the receiver positions. You need fantastic team speed on defense. You need a pass rush that makes the QB sick to his stomach just thinking about it. You need it all.

You're not going to be successful in all the above, but if you give up on striving for excellence at any position on the team, if you don't have a dominant mind set at every moment, then you'll end up planning to count on your FG kicker and you'll fail.
You shouldn't be conservative, I think that's what you're trying to say. But the best football dynasty of this generation wouldn't be what it was if they didn't have the best kicker. You trade Vinatieri for someone else and it's highly possible the Patriots only have 1 Super Bowl title, if any.

The reality is there is no one way to do things. People act like there's a magic formula, but there isn't. The Patriots don't follow half the stuff that people claim as the real key. They don't have a 1st round QB, any 1st round tackles, have superb defense, special teams and kicking game.

Really the team that executes their strategy most effectively is the one who usually succeeds. That's why in the same span you can have great offensive teams like the Broncos and Rams, and turn around and have winners like the Ravens and Bucs who don't have great offensive play, etc.

[North Dakota Chief]

But the best football dynasty of this generation wouldn't be what it was if they didn't have the best kicker. You trade Vinatieri for someone else and it's highly possible the Patriots only have 1 Super Bowl title, if any.

Highly possible? The difference between Vinatieri and kickers who rank in the top half of the NFL is slim.

Vinatieri's 45 yard FG to send the '01 Divisional Playoff into overtime was impressive. His 23 yarder to win that game, not so much. That's a kick every kicker in the NFL makes.

His 48 yarder in the Superdome against the Rams was impressive too, but he still had the benefit of the indoor conditions. 70-80% of good kickers in the NFL still make that kick though.

And in the Super Bowl against Carolina, Vinatieri gets way too much credit for that 41 yard kick in the 4th. Earlier in the game, he missed from 31 and 36 yards. New England won in spite of him.

[Buck]

Houshmanzadeh

[Bowser]

Rufus Dawes

[mikey23545]

Mecca.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Highly possible? The difference between Vinatieri and kickers who rank in the top half of the NFL is slim.

Vinatieri's 45 yard FG to send the '01 Divisional Playoff into overtime was impressive. His 23 yarder to win that game, not so much. That's a kick every kicker in the NFL makes.

His 48 yarder in the Superdome against the Rams was impressive too, but he still had the benefit of the indoor conditions. 70-80% of good kickers in the NFL still make that kick though.

And in the Super Bowl against Carolina, Vinatieri gets way too much credit for that 41 yard kick in the 4th. Earlier in the game, he missed from 31 and 36 yards. New England won in spite of him.

Nick Lowery, 54 yards, end of discussion.

[The Franchise]

Fullback

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Fullback

Two-Back Set.

[Joe Seahawk]

Solid ownership.. Oops, I guess the Bidwells are in this year.. Okay Larry Fitzgerald.

[KCrockaholic]

Its very simple, but the correct answer would be Chemistry
You can have all the talent in the world, but if your team doesnt doesnt have chemistry, and if all 53 players dont strive for that one common goal, Winning the Superbowl, that team will never, ever be successful. Its that simple. Game Over.

[cdcox]

Solid ownership.. Oops, I guess the Bidwells are in this year.. Okay Larry Fitzgerald.

So how are you feeling about the Seahawks' prospects over the next 3 to 4 years? You guys seem to be in a down cycle. Have you hit bottom and are on the way up? Or are you still looking for the bottom? Not bashing at all, just looking for perspective.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Its very simple, but the correct answer would be Chemistry
You can have all the talent in the world, but if your doesnt doesnt have chemistry, and if all 53 players dont strive for that one common goal. Winning the Superbowl, that team will never, ever be successful. Its that simple. Game Over.

Mmm...me thinks this ties in with "getting the right players".

Game over indeed, and REP!

[KCrockaholic]

Mitch Hothlus! (Finally; Kansas contributes something to the world!)

hey now dont underestimate it. Kansas produced Gale Sayers, and Barry Sanders. Plus dont forget Johnny Dare from 98.9 the rock. Worlds greatest radio talk show host.

[88TG88]

Its very simple, but the correct answer would be Chemistry
You can have all the talent in the world, but if your team doesnt doesnt have chemistry, and if all 53 players dont strive for that one common goal, Winning the Superbowl, that team will never, ever be successful. Its that simple. Game Over.

this

[Joe Seahawk]

So how are you feeling about the Seahawks' prospects over the next 3 to 4 years? You guys seem to be in a down cycle. Have you hit bottom and are on the way up? Or are you still looking for the bottom? Not bashing at all, just looking for perspective.

This year was truly an aberration.. We lost our top 5 starting receivers by week 2! Then lost Hasselback, and our entire O-line. I hate to use injury as an excuse but DAMN! at some point...

Holmgren said in all his years of coaching he has never seen anything like it.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

hey now dont underestimate it. Kansas produced Gale Sayers, and Barry Sanders. Plus dont forget Johnny Dare from 98.9 the rock. Worlds greatest radio talk show host.

I haven't been in KC, or listened to the Rock morning show in three years. That established, I'm gonna' take a little guess at something, and you tell me if I'm right:

Johnny Dare: "Good morning Kansas City; tits and ass, tits and ass, tits and ass, tits and ass"...etc.

Yes?

I will acknowledge Sayers and Sanders! Why wasn't Sanders a Chief? Damnit!!!
:cuss:

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

This year was truly an aberration.. We lost our top 5 starting receivers by week 2! Then lost Hasselback, and our entire O-line. I hate to use injury as an excuse but DAMN! at some point...

Holmgren said in all his years of coaching he has never seen anything like it.

I don't hate Holmgren, but I can't stand his coaching style. Was he spearheading your last Super Bowl appearance?

[ChiefsCountry]

A dominating receiver be it WR or TE.

An excellent pass receiver can make an average QB look good and a good one look like a HOF'er. If there is no threat of a passing game, teams can stack against the run and its game over.

Going back in history of teams in the SB to 2005

Arizona - Boldin, Fitzgerald
Steelers - Ward, Holmes (included because over 800 yards for a #2 WR is GREAT plus KR)
Patriots - Moss, Welker
Giants - Burress, Shockey/Boss
Bears - Berrian (stretch?)
Colts - Harrison, Wayne
Seahawks - Branch
Steelers - Ward, Holmes (included because over 800 yards for a #2 WR is GREAT plus KR)
Eagles - Owens
Patriots - Branch

Holmes didnt play on the first Steelers Super Bowl team.

[NY CHIEF]

GAZ !

[Wilson8]

BALLS. You have to have them to play.

[Rain Man]

Has anyone suggested quarterback yet? I think it's a quarterback whose ratio of good plays to bad plays is highest.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Has anyone suggested quarterback yet? I think it's a quarterback whose ratio of good plays to bad plays is highest.

Answer:

Yesterday, today, and for the rest of our lives, YES.

[thumper118]

:rolleyes:a Football.

[Pioli Zombie]

more points than the other team.

[KCrockaholic]

I haven't been in KC, or listened to the Rock morning show in three years. That established, I'm gonna' take a little guess at something, and you tell me if I'm right:

Johnny Dare: "Good morning Kansas City; tits and ass, tits and ass, tits and ass, tits and ass"...etc.

Yes?

I will acknowledge Sayers and Sanders! Why wasn't Sanders a Chief? Damnit!!!
:cuss:

haha, you pretty much nailed that one. Hes actually a pretty good guy though, i can honestly say I miss listening to him every morning in KC. Colorado just flat out sucks.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

haha, you pretty much nailed that one. Hes actually a pretty good guy though, i can honestly say I miss listening to him every morning in KC. Colorado just flat out sucks.

Man, that stretch of the world between Lawrence and Denver is one of the most desolate-lookin' motherfuckers I've ever seen.

Every now and again, we'd get a bug up our ass to go to Boulder. So we'd find some non-drinking or light drinking rube at the 2am closing time in Lawrence, pay him some cash and/or weed, and head out.
You did this because the less you had to look at the Kansas and Colorado flat lands on the way; the less monotonous the drive.