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DaWolf
02-12-2009, 12:00 AM
Speculation on what Pioli-Haley will do about assistant coaches (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/1030384.html)

At the risk of throwing away any credibility I might have earned by nailing the Scott Pioli-Todd Haley partnership, I will now speculate on what Batman and Robin might be thinking with their assistant-coaching staff.

Let me warn you in advance, this speculation isn’t given with the confidence of the Pioli-Haley daily double. These musings are passed along for your edification while we wait for Pioli and Haley to wrap up their top-secret coaching search.

How about this journalistic copout: Don’t hold me to any of this!

I don’t expect Chan Gailey to be retained as offensive coordinator. It’s not the right fit. Gailey is a stud. I’m sure Haley would love to hold on to such a talented and experienced coach, but there’s no incentive for Gailey to stick around, learn a new offense and call someone else’s plays.

Would Gailey accept a “promotion” to assistant head coach? Maybe, for the right spectacular price. The problem is NFL owners are doing everything they can to lower coaching salaries. There’s a reason Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren and Jon Gruden all got canned or are sitting out this year. It’s the same reason owners are tabbing Doogie Howsers to lead their teams. It’s cheaper.

Look for Gailey to sit out the 2009 season and re-enter the league in 2010 when the economy is showing signs of recovery and Gailey’s BFF Bill Cowher is looking for an offensive coordinator. Also, keep Gailey in mind in 2011 if things don’t go well for Haley here.

OK, who might be willing to accept Kansas City’s OC title, a recession-friendly contract and allow Haley to call plays on Sunday?

Bill Muir, Tampa Bay’s old OC, is looking for a job. Muir was swept out in Tampa along with Gruden. At the very least, Muir would be an excellent candidate to be KC’s offensive-line coach.

Maurice Carthon, Arizona’s running backs coach, is another possibility. Carthon and Haley are Bill Parcells disciples. They had a tight bond in Arizona and oftentimes stood up to head coach Ken Whisenhunt and assistant head coach Russ Grimm. Haley and Carthon vs. Whisenhunt and Grimm (Cowher disciples) was a de facto Parcells-Cowher clash that kept the creative tension and energy burning in Arizona offensive meetings.

Getting Carthon out of Arizona might be a little tricky. The Cardinals can restrict Carthon’s movement unless he’s being considered for a head-coaching position. Popular black assistants are sometimes valued because of their ability to communicate with the Anquan Boldins of the world.

Defensively, I expect Haley to value experience when looking for a coordinator. With Haley being an offensive-minded coach, the Chiefs will spend major dollars on a DC if necessary.

Why not Jim Haslett? He can coach the 3-4 or 4-3. He’s fiery, like Haley. Allegedly, the Carolina Panthers have targeted Haslett as their defensive coordinator. Kansas City is a better job. Carolina head coach John Fox could get fired after next season. Fox is a former defensive coordinator who will oversee/work closely with the new coordinator. Haslett would have more autonomy (and money) in Kansas City.

The Chiefs need a proven defensive coordinator. Pioli, you have to believe, would prefer the Chiefs run a 3-4 defense. He knows what to look for when drafting 3-4 defenders. What will be critical is finding a defensive coordinator who can turn Glenn Dorsey into Casey Hampton, the 6-foot-1, 325-pound Pittsburgh nose tackle.

Did I mention that Haslett made his bones running Cowher’s 3-4, zone-blitz scheme in Pittsburgh in the late 1990s?

If the Chiefs can’t land Haslett or someone of his stature, maybe Clancy Pendergast becomes a possibility. The Cardinals fired Pendergast shortly after the Super Bowl. I expect him to be a position coach on KC’s defensive staff. He’s known as an excellent teacher, which is not true of many NFL assistants.

Pendergast started out as a college assistant before jumping to the Houston Oilers in the mid-1990s. Teaching is valued and cultivated in the college ranks. Staffs hold seminars and constantly share and exchange schemes, techniques and methods.

In the pros, secrecy is valued and cultivated. It creates an environment where you have coaches who can’t teach their position because they’ve never been trained to do that.

Let’s say, for example, you have a defensive-line coach (Tim Krumrie) who went straight from the playing field to coaching the defensive line for the Cincinnati Bengals, then moved to Buffalo and then was handed the job of teaching Glenn Dorsey how to play two gaps.

How do you think that would turn out?

I’ll let you think about it for a day or two and get back to you.

Hammock Parties
02-12-2009, 12:03 AM
At the risk of throwing away any credibility I might have earned by nailing the Scott Pioli-Todd Haley partnership, I will now speculate on what Batman and Robin might be thinking with their assistant-coaching staff.

Let me warn you in advance, this speculation isn’t given with the confidence of the Pioli-Haley daily double. These musings are passed along for your edification while we wait for Pioli and Haley to wrap up their top-secret coaching search.

How about this journalistic copout: Don’t hold me to any of this!

This is terrible fucking writing. Jesus.

Basileus777
02-12-2009, 12:03 AM
Glenn Dorsey isn't a nose tackle Jason. He'd play defensive end in a 3-4.

no love
02-12-2009, 12:14 AM
Whit*ock is slipping. The end is near. Time for him to move on. He has become irrelvant to KC sports.
And I used to thoroughly enjoy his articles. Now, they read like Teicher's blog.

Mecca
02-12-2009, 12:19 AM
They're all going to slip they are getting no info from the Chiefs anymore.

no love
02-12-2009, 12:21 AM
I think I like it better this way. Now that I know whatever I read from those guys is crap, I don't have to pay too close attention. No more nuggets of truth or insight. Maybe I can get on with my life, it is the offseason...

DaWolf
02-12-2009, 12:27 AM
Whit*ock is slipping. The end is near. Time for him to move on. He has become irrelvant to KC sports.
And I used to thoroughly enjoy his articles. Now, they read like Teicher's blog.

That's ironic, Whitless is becoming the media version of Carl Peterson, worn out and irrelevant...

Hammock Parties
02-12-2009, 12:28 AM
You guys won't be talking this way when the football games start. That is when Whitlock is at his best.

keg in kc
02-12-2009, 12:28 AM
They're all going to slip they are getting no info from the Chiefs anymore.That's the way I read teicher's "haley will call his own plays" thing. He just doesn't know, so he's throwing dung at the wall.

DaneMcCloud
02-12-2009, 12:34 AM
It must suck to collect a paycheck to write worthless articles.

That could have been written by a moron at WPI.

Great job, Jason!

Sam Hall
02-12-2009, 12:35 AM
My last straw with Whitlock was when he criticized Mizzou for celebrating their Alamo Bowl win.

Hammock Parties
02-12-2009, 12:36 AM
That could have been written by a moron at WPI.


Dude, what a prick thing to say.

How about this journalistic copout: Don’t hold me to any of this!

I would never, ever let this sentence appear in any article. Ever. For any reason.

keg in kc
02-12-2009, 12:41 AM
I would never, ever let this sentence appear in any article. Ever. For any reason.You wouldn't need to, it's automatically assumed by any readers.

(come on, too easy)

DaneMcCloud
02-12-2009, 12:42 AM
Dude, what a prick thing to say.





You're right.

I intended to say the "WPI Forum".

I got too anxious and left that part out.

My bad.

tk13
02-12-2009, 12:43 AM
Dude, what a prick thing to say.



I would never, ever let this sentence appear in any article. Ever. For any reason.
I thought that sentence was automatically implied. :D

Hammock Parties
02-12-2009, 12:45 AM
lawl

no love
02-12-2009, 01:00 AM
That's ironic, Whitless is becoming the media version of Carl Peterson, worn out and irrelevant...

exactly.
he's trying to run himself out of town.



when the games start, and whit*ock is at his best, ya I know, and I tend to agree with most of the things he says, however, I also realize when he has nothing to say. His editor is like "Hey Asshole, you haven't written shit in a week!, don't make us put the fluffer (JoPo) on this non news. Stir the pot damnit!"

The Buddha
02-12-2009, 01:01 AM
The QB coach from Arizona has been fired...

no love
02-12-2009, 01:04 AM
The QB coach from Arizona has been fired...

he did such a great job with Leinart. Isn't he responsible for Kurt Warner's resurgence? or was that god's doing?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-12-2009, 01:25 AM
That was terrible. I'm sure that owners are still paying off coaches with guaranteed salaries as well as a new coach so that they can cut costs on coaching.

The Buddha
02-12-2009, 02:10 AM
he did such a great job with Leinart. Isn't he responsible for Kurt Warner's resurgence? or was that god's doing?

That's kind of what I was thinking. How much of what happened to Leinart is the QB's coach's fault? How much of Warner's re-emergence was his doing?

I personally don't think he'll be hired. But I was just stating a fact.

And it hurts me that the most prominent sports writer from KC, who gets to sub in for Jim Rome, has to be Whitlock. I can't stand that guy!

Bootlegged
02-12-2009, 06:02 AM
ROFL Guess Jason missed this news..Jim Haslett probably didn't miss it.

The Carolina Panthers began piecing together their defensive coaching staff Monday, naming Ron Meeks their defensive coordinator.

Meeks, who helped Indianapolis to the 2006 Super Bowl championship as the Colts' defensive coordinator, replaces Mike Trgovac, who resigned last week after the Panthers' defense struggled through the second half of a season which ended with a lopsided playoff loss against the Arizona Cardinals.

Meeks, 54, was on the market when he, too, resigned last week after Colts head coach Tony Dungy retired. It was uncertain whether new Colts coach Jim Caldwell would have retained Meeks.

"We are very pleased to add Ron to our coaching staff," said Panthers coach John Fox in a statement. "He is an outstanding teacher, who has enjoyed great success as a coordinator in the league and brings a strong background of coaching championship defenses."

One of Meeks' first duties will be to help Fox and general manager Marty Hurney hire three other defensive coaches. Assistants Sal Sunseri (line), Ken Flajole (linebackers) and Tim Lewis (secondary) had already resigned before Trgovac.

Meeks' defenses at Indianapolis have been led by spectacular players (including end Dwight Freeney and safety Bob Sanders) and have often been among the NFL's best. In 2007, the season after the Colts won the Super Bowl, Indianapolis led the league in scoring defense and was third in total yardage allowed. In Meeks' seven seasons in Indianapolis, the Colts finished in the league's top seven in points allowed five times.

But there have been holes. This past season, the Colts were 24th in rushing yards allowed, but seventh in points allowed (18.6) and 11th in yards allowed (310.9).

In 2006, the Colts were last in the NFL in rushing yards allowed. But during that season's playoffs, the Indianapolis defense came together, holding three of its four opponents to 100 yards or less on the way to a Super Bowl victory against the Chicago Bears.

"We haven't changed anything," Meeks answered at the time, when asked about the defense's postseason turnaround. "We just did everything better."

Meeks is also known as a "Cover 2" specialist. When Dungy came to the Colts in 2002, he brought in Meeks to help install the Cover 2, which relies on safeties playing deep to prevent big plays and linebackers and cornerbacks playing a zone.

Meeks, who grew up in Jacksonville, Fla., and attended Arkansas State, has spent most of his career in the NFL as a defensive backs coach. He began his pro coaching career as an assistant with the Dallas Cowboys in 1991.

"This is a great opportunity," Meeks said in a statement of his new job."I have followed the Panthers from my involvement in football and they have done a great job over the years. I expect to continue that success and will try to improve on what has been done."

Fritz88
02-12-2009, 07:14 AM
Mike Tomlin as DC.

Fritz88
02-12-2009, 07:15 AM
They're all going to slip they are getting no info from the Chiefs anymore.

ROFLROFL

King_Chief_Fan
02-12-2009, 07:49 AM
Nick Athan part deux....fatlock continues to be stupid.

Haslet? Pendegrast? Lord help us....we will owe Gunther an apoplogy.

Rooster
02-12-2009, 08:31 AM
This is terrible ****ing writing. Jesus.

Kettle meet Pot

Hog's Gone Fishin
02-12-2009, 08:37 AM
THIS WAS EPIC FAIL !!!!!!!!!

Mr. Laz
02-12-2009, 10:30 AM
just to add to the pile on about the mistakes in this article


he's full of crap about teams going to younger coaches to save money as well


1. coaches contracts are basically guarenteed so by firing an old coach and hiring a young coach the teams have to pay TWO coaches for a year or more.

2. these new young head coaches are that cheap ... the going rate seems to be about 3 million bucks a year.

old coach - 5 million
young coach - 3 million
both coaches - 8 million

by the time the young coach has been around long enough to recoup the different of paying for 2 coaches for 1/2 years he will be wanting a new contract for close to what the original old coach was making.


just stupid, whitlock. :shake:

Time's Yours
02-12-2009, 10:37 AM
They're all going to slip they are getting no info from the Chiefs anymore.

Only in the offseason when most people aren't interested anyway. Whitlock doesn't need info from the FO when he's writing about what he sees on the field. That'll be when everyone is reading anyway.

ChiefsPlanet members make up .0001% of his readership base. He apparently reads this forum time to time, and if he wanted to write articles aimed to please members here, he could. But THAT would make him irrelevant. Keep his audience in mind: its the casual fan reading the morning paper.

And while I'm on topic, everybody bashes Teicher, but if you don't watch ESPN, watch press-conferences, or read sports websites, his information is not repetitive. Believe it or not, there's a lot of people in that category.

Mr. Laz
02-12-2009, 11:03 AM
Only in the offseason when most people aren't interested anyway. Whitlock doesn't need info from the FO when he's writing about what he sees on the field. That'll be when everyone is reading anyway.

ChiefsPlanet members make up .0001% of his readership base. He apparently reads this forum time to time, and if he wanted to write articles aimed to please members here, he could. But THAT would make him irrelevant. Keep his audience in mind: its the casual fan reading the morning paper.

And while I'm on topic, everybody bashes Teicher, but if you don't watch ESPN, watch press-conferences, or read sports websites, his information is not repetitive. Believe it or not, there's a lot of people in that category.
so writing stuff he knows, or should know, is crap is ok because the average reader doesn't know any better?

nice

Sweet Daddy Hate
02-12-2009, 11:47 AM
Only in the offseason when most people aren't interested anyway. Whitlock doesn't need info from the FO when he's writing about what he sees on the field. That'll be when everyone is reading anyway.

ChiefsPlanet members make up .0001% of his readership base. He apparently reads this forum time to time, and if he wanted to write articles aimed to please members here, he could. But THAT would make him irrelevant. Keep his audience in mind: its the casual fan reading the morning paper.

And while I'm on topic, everybody bashes Teicher, but if you don't watch ESPN, watch press-conferences, or read sports websites, his information is not repetitive. Believe it or not, there's a lot of people in that category.

He is irrelevant, period. Articles not even worthy of ass-wipeage.

Time's Yours
02-12-2009, 12:49 PM
so writing stuff he knows, or should know, is crap is ok because the average reader doesn't know any better?

nice

My point is that he's writing during the off-season where if you can't get info from the FO, you don't really have a way to get it. He's an opinion writer, not an investigative journalist. Yes, the article sucked, but that doesn't mean this is the end of Whitlock.

The post I quoted was saying he'll be irrelevant now because of the secrecy of the Chiefs execs. My point is that that only makes him irrelevant during the off-season, when almost nobody reading the paper gives a shit anyway.

He'll be able to write good articles about the draft when it happens, the hirings/signings when they happen, and the games when they start happening. Its slow for everybody right now.

Sweet Daddy Hate
02-12-2009, 01:02 PM
My point is that he's writing during the off-season where if you can't get info from the FO, you don't really have a way to get it. He's an opinion writer, not an investigative journalist. Yes, the article sucked, but that doesn't mean this is the end of Whitlock.

The post I quoted was saying he'll be irrelevant now because of the secrecy of the Chiefs execs. My point is that that only makes him irrelevant during the off-season, when almost nobody reading the paper gives a shit anyway.

He'll be able to write good articles about the draft when it happens, the hirings/signings when they happen, and the games when they start happening. Its slow for everybody right now.

Yes, I can't WAIT for FatSlop to begin his "Marty/Carl"-shtick again, and apply it to Pioli/Haley.

My balls are practically tingling in anticipation! :rolleyes:

KChiefs1
02-12-2009, 02:22 PM
They're all going to slip they are getting no info from the Chiefs anymore.

That's why Whitlock will soon start hating on Clark/Scott/Todd.

blueballs
02-12-2009, 02:37 PM
It's gold Jerry
comedy gold

Coogs
02-12-2009, 02:46 PM
ChiefsPlanet members make up .0001% of his readership base.

:eek: Damn! I didn't realize the Star sold that many papers. If only 2 or 3 people read this article here on the planet, that is one boatload of people reading his column out of the paper!