Chiefs sign Zach Thomas

[phisherman]

http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1137526.html

The Chiefs have agreed to terms with linebacker Zach Thomas.

Thomas, 35, is a 13-year veteran who started 14 games for the Dallas Cowboys last season and has made 20.5 career sacks. He spent the first 12 years of his career with the Miami Dolphins.

[Mecca]

Is this a joke?

If not I'm ready to see him get some concussions.

[1ChiefsDan]

print em!

[HMc]

that's strike 14! /hamas

[DeezNutz]

:popcorn:

[Mecca]

If this is true as shitty as we are at that position I don't think anyone is going to complain...oh and his sister is really hot.

[Tribal Warfare]

This would've been really cool if this happened 7 years earlier.Now, it's just an indifferent issue.

[Hammock Parties]

Sort of rules out Aaron Curry.

[the Talking Can]

this is about the locker room as much the field....fine by me

[Hammock Parties]

Thomas, 35, is a 13-year veteran who started 14 games for the Dallas Cowboys last season and has made 20.5 career sacks.

I know child workers in India who have made a hell of a lot more sacks.

[Messier]

Had 94 tackles last year. No harm to see what he has.

[milkman]

If this is true as shitty as we are at that position I don't think anyone is going to complain...oh and his sister is really hot.

And his BIL is an over the hill pass rusher.

Perfect for Pioli.

[Rain Man]

Does this mean DJ is moving back outside, or is he just going to be a backup? Or I guess maybe we'll have two ILBs.

He's listed at 242. Seems a little smallish for an ILB in a 3-4.

Either way, I like the exchange of Zach Thomas for Pat Thomas.

[KcMizzou]

this is about the locker room as much the field....fine by meYep.

[Messier]

Sort of rules out Aaron Curry.

How?

[rockymtnchief]

Really? Ummmm...ok...I guess.

[Rain Man]

I know child workers in India who have made a hell of a lot more sacks.

The word on the street is that they think he has potential as a pass rusher and they can train him.

[RustShack]

Holy Shit!

[Hammock Parties]

How?

I can't imagine the Chiefs are moving DJ outside.

[Mecca]

Zach Thomas just played inside in Dallas 3-4 last year so lets not act like he can't do that..

And you'd think it may rule out Curry because Thomas and DJ are both inside backers in a 3-4.

[JohnnyV13]

Actually, this is a typical patriot's type signing. Pioli stacked the LB position with smart veteran role players for Belichick. Somehow, I doubt Clancy Pendergast will use them as well.

[Reaper16]

Can't find anything to complain about with this.

[RustShack]

How?

Because our two ILB's will be Thomas and DJ.

[Hootie]

I like it.

[petegz28]

I think him and Vrabel both bring great veteran leadership at a position and on a defense that is in dire need of some.

[Hammock Parties]

We have to get Raji or signing all these veteran linebackers is just going to look dumb.

With a nose tackle they'll be playmakers. Without one they'll be old guys getting killed.

[RustShack]

Still kind of weird we cut Donnie Edwards.

[Hootie]

Really...

In my opinion...I just don't give a shit about #3 anymore.

We take Curry? Fine.
We take Sanchez? Fine.
We take Crabtree? Fine.
We take Raji? Fine.
We trade down? Super.

I'm just happy we're going to have a legitimate chance to compete in the West next year.

[Braincase]

Looks legit. Good guy in the locker room to teach the youngsters.

[RustShack]

Really...

In my opinion...I just don't give a shit about #3 anymore.

We take Curry? Fine.
We take Sanchez? Fine.
We take Crabtree? Fine.
We take Raji? Fine.
We trade down? Super.


This is really about how I am now too.

[Mecca]

Still kind of weird we cut Donnie Edwards.

He's done, he couldn't stay on the field last year and in a 3-4 his position is the same one DJ has to play.

[Messier]

Because our two ILB's will be Thomas and DJ.

Thomas is starting? We know this?

[milkman]

Still kind of weird we cut Donnie Edwards.

Why?

Donnie Edwards was never as good as Vrabel or Zach Thomas.

[Hammock Parties]

.................Page........................Morgan..................

Flowers........Vrabel...DJ...Thomas...Beisel..............Carr

......................Tyler....Raji...McBride.......................

Hali - backup OLB/3rd down pass rush specialist
Johnston - backup OLB
Edwards - backup nose tackle?
Pollard - bust

[Mecca]

Thomas is starting? We know this?

Oh yes I'm sure he signed here to be a backup on a team with one of the worst LB corps in the entire league.

Guys like Monty Beisel sign to be backups not Zach Thomas.

[KChiefs1]

this is about the locker room as much the field....fine by me

exactly...Pioli is trying to bring in leaders.

[RustShack]

Thomas is starting? We know this?

Die dumbass.

[Mecca]

.................Page........................Morgan..................

Flowers........Vrabel...DJ...Thomas...Beisel..............Carr

......................Tyler....Raji...McBride.......................

Hali - backup OLB/3rd down pass rush specialist
Johnston - backup OLB
Edwards - backup nose tackle?
Pollard - bust

I don't think theres any way Beisel actually starts, I'd expect a drafted player to end up in that spot.

[mlyonsd]

I'm not so sure about Curry now.

[RustShack]

Why?

Donnie Edwards was never as good as Vrabel or Zach Thomas.

I'm talking about the veteran leadership part, I think Edwards knows hes a backup now.

[Mecca]

I'm talking about the veteran leadership part, I think Edwards knows hes a backup now.

It appears the Chiefs expect their backup LB's to be really good special teams guys if their signings show anything.

[Hootie]

.................Page........................Morgan..................

Flowers........Vrabel...DJ...Thomas...Beisel..............Carr

......................Tyler....Raji...McBride.......................

Hali - backup OLB/3rd down pass rush specialist
Johnston - backup OLB
Edwards - backup nose tackle?
Pollard - bust

Dorsey?

We can't just write him off already, can we?

[Messier]

Die dumbass.

So you don't know.

[milkman]

I'm talking about the veteran leadership part, I think Edwards knows hes a backup now.

One of the things you want from veteran leaders is the ability to help players to learn to use fundamentals.

Donnie Edwards was never a fundamentally sound tackler, so he brings nothing to the table as a veteran backup leader.

[Mecca]

Well linemen rotate and he'll play in 4-3 looks and I'm sure they'll see if he can play end in 3-4.

If we do take Raji however I'd expect Dorsey to look good in 4-3 pass rush situations since he'd be able to play next to a huge guy that can take out the double team nose.

[Mecca]

So you don't know.

If Zach Thomas was signing to be a backup I'm pretty sure he'd pick a much better team.

[Hammock Parties]

I don't think theres any way Beisel actually starts, I'd expect a drafted player to end up in that spot.

v 2.0

.................Page........................Morgan..................

Flowers........Brown...DJ...Thomas...Vrabel..............Carr

......................Tyler....Raji....McBride.......................

Hali - backup OLB/3rd down pass rush specialist
Dorsey - backup DE/3rd down pass rush specialist
Johnston - backup OLB
Edwards - backup nose tackle?
Pollard - bust

We could maybe get a good 3-4 DE in the third round, too.

[Messier]

Oh yes I'm sure he signed here to be a backup on a team with one of the worst LB corps in the entire league.

Guys like Monty Beisel sign to be backups not Zach Thomas.

Monty Beisels are signed to play special teams. Zack Thomas can be signed to play quiet a bit, rotate in and out, to be a coach on the field and help young players.

[Hootie]

Surely we could trade Dorsey and eat the cap hit?

We could get a middle 1st for the guy...even a late 1st. You're telling me a team in the back end of the 1st round won't take a promising DT that doesn't fit our scheme?

I'd rather trade the guy than use him as a specialist. He's a top 5 pick for crying out loud!

[Messier]

If Zach Thomas was signing to be a backup I'm pretty sure he'd pick a much better team.

Maybe he didn't have his pick of teams.

[Direckshun]

YES.

NO AARON CURRY.

THANK YOU GOD.

[Pitt Gorilla]

2001 called. They want their linebacker back.

[Hammock Parties]

YES.

NO AARON CURRY.

THANK YOU GOD.

Thomas will teach Curry how to play LB! /true fan

[MVChiefFan]

It reminds me of when the Pats signed Junior Seau. He didn't play like when he was young but he gave them a couple of good years. I'm fine with it.

[Mecca]

Maybe he didn't have his pick of teams.

What is the point of this argument anyhow? Is your heart that set on Curry or something?

[Hootie]

San Diego is obviously better than us on paper...

BUT...they have Norv Turner.

If we field a defense that doesn't suck, and finds the QB...we have an offense that can score points.

HOOTIE IS BACK ON THE AFC WEST CHAMPIONS BANDWAGON!

[RustShack]

I could see either way still....

----------Morgan----Pollard
Flowers------Curry--Thomas--DJ--------Carr
-----------Vrable-Dorsey-Tank-Hali

--------------Morgan----------Pollard
Floweres------Robinson-Thomas-DJ-Vrable-------Carr
---------------Dorsey----Raji----Tank

[Pioli Zombie]

We have to get Raji or signing all these veteran linebackers is just going to look dumb.

With a nose tackle they'll be playmakers. Without one they'll be old guys getting killed.
I agree. Raji and yes, this is very similar to the Patriots M.O.
Bryan Cox, Roman Pfifer, Junior Seau. Veteran leaders at LB. It doesn't rule out drafting young studs. But generally, the Patriots draft on build the lines and sign veterans at LB. Mayo was the exception.
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[Hammock Parties]

The question we have to ask now is can the Chiefs win NOW?

Pioli and Haley are sending that message.

[MVChiefFan]

2001 called. They want their linebacker back.

ROFL

[KCBOSS1]

OH no.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Why?

Donnie Edwards was never as good as Vrabel or Zach Thomas.

But...but he was so CUTE! :rolleyes:

.................Page........................Morgan..................

Flowers........Vrabel...DJ...Thomas...Beisel..............Carr

......................Tyler....Raji...McBride.......................

Hali - backup OLB/3rd down pass rush specialist
Johnston - backup OLB
Edwards - backup nose tackle?
Pollard - bust

Goddamn you Wendler; you will RUE THE DAY! :cuss:

[Mecca]

If this team starts Tamba Hali as a OLB that is not going to be pretty.

[RustShack]

So you don't know.

I bet your pussy is really hurting now isn't it?

[RustShack]

If this team starts Tamba Hali as a OLB that is not going to be pretty.

Him or McBride would be used like Miami uses Roth at OLB... Not my ideal situation though.

[Hammock Parties]

If this team starts Tamba Hali as a OLB that is not going to be pretty.

I'd honestly rather have Beisel starting at OLB than Hali.

[Captain Obvious]

2001 called. They want their linebacker back.

1999 called. They want their joke back.

[Messier]

What is the point of this argument anyhow? Is your heart that set on Curry or something?

No, although I think he's the best player in the draft. Frankly I don't know what I'm arguing. I guess just that I don't think this signing means no Curry. Maybe it's me hoping it doesn't mean Orakpo.

[KCBOSS1]

I really don't understand this......at all.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

if this means no curry, than im all for it

[Direckshun]

I think this frees us up a bit.

We don't have to make ILB a priority in this Draft. We can focus elsewhere.

Which is great. ILB is one of the last positions you have to worry about when it comes to building a 3-4 defense. DL, DL, DL.

[Messier]

1999 called. They want their joke back.

Oh yeah? Well, the jerk store called...

[Direckshun]

I want Raji and Dorsey in the middle, BTW.

[kcsam07]

guys take a step back this signing has nothing to do with curry if we want him at 3 we get him thomas isnt a full time player at this point in his career and probably not even a starter he could be a mentor on the field to curry so again in no way does this affect whether curry goes to us

[Tribal Warfare]

YES.

NO AARON CURRY.

THANK YOU GOD.

Trade down at mid to late 1st to get Barwin.

[milkman]

Oh yeah? Well, the jerk store called...

Give me all your phone numbers and I'll call and tell all you dumbasses to shut the fuck up.

[Mecca]

I really don't understand this......at all.

It's called our linebackers suck.

[Hammock Parties]

I want Raji and Dorsey in the middle, BTW.

Works for me. But how much is the 4-3 going to be used?

[Mecca]

Trade down at mid to late 1st to get Barwin.

Your unnatural love of this guy is starting to go overboard, he shouldn't be going in the middle of the 1st round, he'll be lucky to even go in the 1st round.

[RustShack]

Works for me. But how much is the 4-3 going to be used?

If thats what our players are best suited for then thats what we will run most...

[Direckshun]

Our front seven could use Raji and still needs quite a bit of help at OLB.

RDE: McBride, Hali
NT: Raji, Edwards
Undertackle: Dorsey, Boone
LDE: Tank, Boone

OLB: Robertson?, Hali?
ILB: Thomas, Beisel
ILB: Johnson,
OLB: Vrabel

[Tribal Warfare]

Your unnatural love of this guy is starting to go overboard, he shouldn't be going in the middle of the 1st round, he'll be lucky to even go in the 1st round.



Okay, who exactly is worthy of 1st round picks this year? honestly, unlike others it's a vacuum of level talent through the second round.

[Messier]

Give me all your phone numbers and I'll call and tell all you dumbasses to shut the **** up.

Not a Seinfeld fan?

[Direckshun]

Works for me. But how much is the 4-3 going to be used?

Judging from Arizona, they do it enough to make Dorsey worth it.

This year, we're going to be running a LOT of 4-3 anyway, I figure.

[Mecca]

Barwin is an athletic project who played his position for 1 year...why would you take that in the middle of the 1st round?

[milkman]

Not a Seinfeld fan?

I loved Seinfeld.

Just haven't watched in a while and didn't get the reference, cause as has been pointed out by Bugeater today, I'm old and have a bad memory.

[The Bad Guy]

I really don't see why DJ couldn't play outside in the 3-4. He was one of the few rushing linebackers that we had over the last few years. He kicked the piss out of Rivers consistently in SD 2 years ago.

I don't think this rules Curry out at all. They aren't going to rule someone out just because of a one-year signing.

I'm not a big believer that BJ Raji is the answer at 3. I question his attitude, and work ethic once he cashes in.

[The Bad Guy]

Okay, who exactly is worthy of 1st round picks this year? honestly, unlike others it's a vacuum of level talent through the second round.

Every draft analyst on NFL Network called Barwin a 3rd round talent who will likely go in the 2nd round because of his combine.

[Mecca]

The Derrick Johnson not playing outside probably has to do with a 3-4 OLB when rushing isn't going to come free he's going to get an OT and this is a guy that doesn't like to deal with blockers and now he has to beat an OT with pass rush moves.

[RustShack]

Our front seven could use Raji and still needs quite a bit of help at OLB.

RDE: McBride, Hali
NT: Raji, Edwards
Undertackle: Dorsey, Boone
LDE: Tank, Boone

OLB: Robertson?, Hali?
ILB: Thomas, Beisel
ILB: Johnson,
OLB: Vrabel

Move McBride to backup UT, Johnston to backup RE Hali to LE, Tank to backup NT and Vrable to RE you might have something for the 4-3 DL.

[The Bad Guy]

I really don't understand this......at all.

It's that hard to understand that we needed linebackers?

I mean, I don't get the harm in signing a player like Thomas for one year.

[RustShack]

I really don't see why DJ couldn't play outside in the 3-4. He was one of the few rushing linebackers that we had over the last few years. He kicked the piss out of Rivers consistently in SD 2 years ago.

I don't think this rules Curry out at all. They aren't going to rule someone out just because of a one-year signing.

I'm not a big believer that BJ Raji is the answer at 3. I question his attitude, and work ethic once he cashes in.

Because he isn't a rushbacker and he doesn't like taking on blocks...

[Mecca]

Move McBride to backup UT, Johnston to backup RE Hali to LE, Tank to backup NT and Vrable to RE you might have something for the 4-3 DL.

They're going to be a hybrid team there are going to be guys who have roles in both schemes and some guys who only play in 1...I seriously doubt Vrabel would be on the field in any 4-3 looks.

[MVChiefFan]

I think we obviously need to trade down to take Raji. But, how far back could we go and still have a realistic shot at him?

[The Bad Guy]

The Derrick Johnson not playing outside probably has to do with a 3-4 OLB when rushing isn't going to come free he's going to get an OT and this is a guy that doesn't like to deal with blockers and now he has to beat an OT with pass rush moves.

DJ put his hand on the ground plenty during the 07 season. I thought honestly it was some of the best football he's played in his career.

[Direckshun]

Move McBride to backup UT, Johnston to backup RE Hali to LE, Tank to backup NT and Vrable to RE you might have something for the 4-3 DL.

Noooo no no no no no.

Your D line is way too small.

Tank is small for a NT. He's "only" 300. He's athletic and strong enough to be a DE. McBride is a perfect example of a 3-4 DE. He may flourish. Boone may work out at DE, too.

Hali is more questionable. He is a tweener in this system, and so is Johnston, who probably won't survive cuts this year because he doesn't fit.

[chiefzilla1501]

I really don't see why DJ couldn't play outside in the 3-4. He was one of the few rushing linebackers that we had over the last few years. He kicked the piss out of Rivers consistently in SD 2 years ago.

I don't think this rules Curry out at all. They aren't going to rule someone out just because of a one-year signing.

I'm not a big believer that BJ Raji is the answer at 3. I question his attitude, and work ethic once he cashes in.

The problem is that 3-4 OLBs are 260 lbs. and up. DJ is not a guy you want consistently in the trenches. He's a smaller LB whose strength is in coverage and in moving around the field.

Most 3-4 OLBs are former DEs that convert to OLB. Rarely do OLBs convert to 3-4 DE. That's why Curry would not fare well as a 3-4 OLB either.

DJ should make a terrific 3-4 ILB, however. What's interesting is, though, that if you have a coverage guy on the inside, you usually have a run-stuffer right next to him. Zach Thomas isn't that guy. I'm curious to see if they both start at the same time. Because it seems like they'd be playing the same role.

[Mecca]

DJ put his hand on the ground plenty during the 07 season. I thought honestly it was some of the best football he's played in his career.

I don't think it's a great idea unless it's a certain passing situation, I'd hate to see him outside in a 3-4 on a run play I don't think it would end well for him.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Give me all your phone numbers and I'll call and tell all you dumbasses to shut the fuck up.

ROFL Rep!

[RustShack]

Noooo no no no no no.

Your D line is way too small.

Tank is small for a NT. He's "only" 300. He's athletic and strong enough to be a DE. McBride is a perfect example of a 3-4 DE. He may flourish. Boone may work out at DE, too.

Hali is more questionable. He is a tweener in this system, and so is Johnston, who probably won't survive cuts this year because he doesn't fit.

I'm going to throw it out there so take it for what its worth... but McBride said on facebook hes going to be an OLB in our 3-4 so thats why I'm assuming he would be in the Matt Roth role...

But you really think Vrable-Dorsey-Raji-Hali is too small? that seems about right to me... besides maybe Vrable but we don't have many other options...

[Tribal Warfare]

Every draft analyst on NFL Network called Barwin a 3rd round talent who will likely go in the 2nd round because of his combine.



He's a smart athlete too the guy played TE and was on the Cincinnati basketball team for a while. Guys like that have a very very high ceiling,and he registered good production through the season.Those same analysts said if he did this for another year in the college ranks he'd be a sure fire 1st round pick.

[The Bad Guy]

I'm going to throw it out there so take it for what its worth... but McBride said on facebook hes going to be an OLB in our 3-4 so thats why I'm assuming he would be in the Matt Roth role...

That makes no sense. He was one of the few 3-4 DE's we had.

[Mecca]

I'm going to throw it out there so take it for what its worth... but McBride said on facebook hes going to be an OLB in our 3-4 so thats why I'm assuming he would be in the Matt Roth role...

That just sounds like a really horrible idea.

[The Bad Guy]

He's a smart athlete too the guy played TE and was on the Cincinnati basketball team for a while. Guys like that have a very very high ceiling,and he registered good production through the season.Those same analysts said if he did this for another year in the college ranks he'd be a sure fire 1st round pick.

Like Matt Jones? That worked out well.

[RustShack]

That makes no sense. He was one of the few 3-4 DE's we had.

Hes actually not really tall enough to be a 3-4 DE and most are heavier than him too... I still think DE is his best place though since hes a DE/DT tweener..

[KCChiefsMan]

why isnt this on espn.com or nfl.com?

[RustShack]

why isnt this on espn.com or nfl.com?

Too late in the night? I really don't know but I've been wondering the same thing.

[Tribal Warfare]

Like Matt Jones? That worked out well.

Matt Jones never played a down as a WR in college, very poor comparison.

[The Bad Guy]

Matt Jones never played a down as a WR in college, very poor comparison.

The point is that he's a converted player that played well at the position for one season. You want to share all these things that show he's a good athlete like that should over value his draft stock. Matt Jones was the same way. Scouts fell in love with his athleticism and it didn't translate.

If any GM takes him in the middle of the first round they should be fired before round 2 begins.

[RustShack]

Zach Thomas Heads To The Chiefs

Posted by Mike Florio on April 11, 2009, 10:21 p.m.
Apparently, Scott Pioli brought with him from New England a taste for aging linebackers.
According to the Kansas City Star, the Chiefs have agreed to terms with veteran linebacker Zach Thomas.
Thomas spent 12 seasons with the Dolphins, before being released by Pioli’s father-in-law, Bill Parcells, a year ago.
Last year, Thomas played for the Cowboys, appearing in all 16 games and starting 14 of them.
His final in Miami was marred by injury — primarily, concussions. He appeared in only five games that season.
The terms of the deal have not been reported. Presumably, it’s a one-year contract for the veteran minimum.

[Direckshun]

I'm going to throw it out there so take it for what its worth... but McBride said on facebook hes going to be an OLB in our 3-4 so thats why I'm assuming he would be in the Matt Roth role...

But you really think Vrable-Dorsey-Raji-Hali is too small? that seems about right to me... besides maybe Vrable but we don't have many other options...

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeird. Turk said that?

Hm.

He seems to be tailor-made for DE.

I personally think we only have one true NT on this team, Ron Edwards. Boone and McBride seem like true DEs in the 3-4. Tank and Dorsey seem like tweener undertackles, but I think Tank could work out at DE. Dorsey I think would be a disaster at DE; he needs to do what he does inside on passing downs.

Hali and Johnston seem lost. Hali might work at OLB or DE, but it doesn't work. Johnston will likely be cut.

We need at least one quick OLB and another true NT in this Draft.

[Mecca]

They should tell Turk McBride to go eat alot and get up to 290.

[RustShack]

I actually think Johnston would make for a better OLB than Hali would...

[Tribal Warfare]

The point is that he's a converted player that played well at the position for one season.

You made a comparison between Barwin a guy who made a good transition to a different position(TE to DE) which the same analysts you spoke of said if he did this for another year in college he'd be a first rounder to Matt Jones who played QB throughout his college career and was an unknown commodity as a WR.

Very poor comparison

[Direckshun]

They should tell Turk McBride to go eat alot and get up to 290.

I think he's at 280, isn't he?

[Direckshun]

I actually think Johnston would make for a better OLB than Hali would...

Possible.

But only because I simply can't see Hali excelling at OLB.

[RustShack]

Really though you can't expect Pioli and Haley to keep all of Herms players, some guys just have to be let go for the better.

[Mecca]

Herm made all those guys lose weight like Tank and such now they're all gonna have to put it back on.

[Hammock Parties]

Tank isn't 300, D.

He's listed at 300 but I guarantee you he's 320. In fact I think he's listed bigger.

[RustShack]

Tank isn't 300, D.

He's listed at 300 but I guarantee you he's 320. In fact I think he's listed bigger.

I think he lost weight under Herm instead of gained...

[The Bad Guy]

You made a comparison between Barwin a guy who made a good transition to a different position(TE to DE) which the same analysts you spoke of said if he did this for another year in college he'd be a first rounder to Matt Jones who played QB throughout his college career and was an unknown commodity as a WR.

Very poor comparison

You also don't know how well Barwin is going to play DE in the NFL. I'm sorry, but one year doesn't show me he can have a successful NFL career.

Matt Jones had 4.3 speed going for him on a 6'6 frame. Where else was he going to play?

[Direckshun]

Tank isn't 300, D.

He's listed at 300 but I guarantee you he's 320. In fact I think he's listed bigger.

306 according to kcchiefs.com.

I hope you're right. He's strong enough to man the nose; it's size that I'm concerned about.

Also the fact that he was the starting DT on one of the worst run defenses in the league. You want your NT to be a block of immovable granite. I don't know if Tank is that guy.

[chiefs1111]

Barwin is an athletic project who played his position for 1 year...why would you take that in the middle of the 1st round?

My guess is some people still think Carl Peterson is running the team,that would be a Carl type of move...

[Tribal Warfare]

You also don't know how well Barwin is going to play DE in the NFL. I'm sorry, but one year doesn't show me he can have a successful NFL career.



The samething was said about Brandon Albert, but he turned out okay also.

[Mecca]

Connor Barwin will at the very worst be a good special teams player but mid first round for that guy is insane.

[Hammock Parties]

I think he lost weight under Herm instead of gained...

He was overweight his rookie year...I know he dropped a bunch. I'd say he was probably 315-320 last year.

[The Bad Guy]

Connor Barwin will at the very worst be a good special teams player but mid first round for that guy is insane.

Try telling TW that.

[Mecca]

I love when people say DT's are overweight when it's their job to be big fat guys.

[kcsam07]

i dont trust pft at all but its on the kcstar website so it must be true

[chiefzilla1501]

306 according to kcchiefs.com.

I hope you're right. He's strong enough to man the nose; it's size that I'm concerned about.

Also the fact that he was the starting DT on one of the worst run defenses in the league. You want your NT to be a block of immovable granite. I don't know if Tank is that guy.

I'm not worried about Tank's size. He's strong enough, and that's a lot more important. Kelly Gregg's a good example of a nose tackle who played the position well at a pretty small size for a nose tackle. I'm more worried about his endurance. The nose tackle position is going to beat the shit out of him, and I know durability was a concern coming out of college.

because I think he's too short to play DE. I think he belongs at the nose, but the Chiefs most definitely need somebody else to be more of a full-time guy.

[MVChiefFan]

I think he lost weight under Herm instead of gained...


He definitely looked slimmer last year.

[Hammock Parties]

I love when people say DT's are overweight when it's their job to be big fat guys.

Well he AND Dorsey were overweight for a Cover 2 as rookies.

Dorsey played at 315 last year. He was listed at 297.

[RustShack]

i dont trust pft at all but its on the kcstar website so it must be true

Why? Its not like they make stories up... They post credible information from credible sources... and the few rumors they aren't sure about that they post they make sure you know that...

[Mecca]

Well he AND Dorsey were overweight for a Cover 2 as rookies.

Dorsey played at 315 last year. He was listed at 297.

Well Ted Washington and Pat Williams are grossly overweight then and they rule or ruled.

[Hammock Parties]

Well Ted Washington and Pat Williams are grossly overweight then and they rule or ruled.

Obviously it's different for other schemes.

[RustShack]

Well Ted Washington and Pat Williams are grossly overweight then and they rule or ruled.

What about Kris Jenkins and Shaun Rogers?

[milkman]

Try telling TW that.

TW gets this same kind of obssession every year.

[Direckshun]

What about Kris Jenkins and Shaun Rogers?

I totally argued for Kris Jenkins last year. lol

[veist]

Barwin is an athletic project who played his position for 1 year...why would you take that in the middle of the 1st round?

Plus if we're drafting a project I'd rather have Maybin.

[kcsam07]

just saw it on nfl network so its official

[Mecca]

Plus if we're drafting a project I'd rather have Maybin.

Ok I don't like him so you're on your own on that one.

[B_Ambuehl]

No way Tank will play the nose. He's fairly heavy but carries most of his weight up top and realistically has a pretty small frame for a DT. I also don't see him playing DE because he's not long enough. If you're gonna run a 3-4 the only real option right now is to give Dorsey a shot at it.

Monty Beisel played for New England a couple of years ago and was an ILB in their scheme. I think the front 7 will probably end up looking like this:

-----------------Boone-------Dorsey-----Turk-----------------------
-----Vrabel/Rookie------DJ------Zach T./Rookie------Hali/Rookie/Johnston


I figure we'll either trade down in the first or trade some of the players currently on the roster for a 2nd and finagle a way to get ahold of one of those pass rushers (Barwin, Larry English, Sidbury etc), and pair him up with Vrabel on the other side. Tank will come in on Sub Packages and rush the quarterback.

[veist]

Ok I don't like him so you're on your own on that one. My point was more about the fact that I'd at least prefer him over Barwin if we absolutely had to draft a project. Not that I'd be thrilled about getting him especially considering what will be on the board when we pick.

[MadMax]

Because he isn't a rushbacker and he doesn't like taking on blocks...



JFC!!! I say we fire the whole lame staff we got and hire all you genius mastermind fucksticks and move on... Speculation is irritating. Kinda kidding but damn I'm gettin dizzy just reading this thread. Please be kind to your elders.:D

[-King-]

No way Tank will play the nose. He's fairly heavy but carries most of his weight up top and realistically has a pretty small frame for a DT. I also don't see him playing DE because he's not long enough. If you're gonna run a 3-4 the only real option right now is to give Dorsey a shot at it.

Monty Beisel played for New England a couple of years ago and was an ILB in their scheme. I think the front 7 will probably end up looking like this:

-----------------Boone-------Dorsey-----Turk-----------------------
-----Vrabel/Rookie------DJ------Zach T./Rookie------Hali/Rookie/Johnston


I figure we'll either trade down in the first or trade some of the players currently on the roster for a 2nd and finagle a way to get ahold of one of those pass rushers (Barwin, Larry English, Sidbury etc), and pair him up with Vrabel on the other side. Tank will come in on Sub Packages and rush the quarterback.

Dorsey is big enough to be NT yet Tank isn't? WTF! And theres is no way in football hell that Hali is going to be a starting OLB.

[-King-]

I dont get how you can complain bringing in a player for 1 year for the vet minimum. No matter how old he is, you can go no long. If he sucks, you can cut him. If he's good, he'll help mentor all the young players and he'll atleast be a stop gap for a year.

[KcMizzou]

JFC!!! I say we fire the whole lame staff we got and hire all you genius mastermind ****sticks and move on... Speculation is irritating. Kinda kidding but damn I'm gettin dizzy just reading this thread. Please be kind to your elders.:DIt's the whole Belichick/Parcells school of thought. Those guys are morons.

Now, the Mecca school of thought... that's where you've got something.


:)

[RustShack]

JFC!!! I say we fire the whole lame staff we got and hire all you genius mastermind fucksticks and move on... Speculation is irritating. Kinda kidding but damn I'm gettin dizzy just reading this thread. Please be kind to your elders.:D

Its pretty easy to tell where players fit and where they don't...

[Tiger's Fan]

Ok I don't like him so you're on your own on that one.

My god! I agree with you!

[wild1]

Seems like a good signing.

[Hammock Parties]

No way Tank will play the nose. He's fairly heavy but carries most of his weight up top and realistically has a pretty small frame for a DT. I also don't see him playing DE because he's not long enough. If you're gonna run a 3-4 the only real option right now is to give Dorsey a shot at it.

Tank is longer than Dorsey.

[Mecca]

My god! I agree with you!

That's one is pretty easy..Maybin got all his sacks using nothing but pure speed he doesn't have a pass rush move other than running around someone...he has 1 year of experience he's also one of the youngest players in the draft..

To me his biggest issue is, everyone said he was to small, he goes and jacks on on this weight and it makes him slow...well if you can't be fast at the heavier weight and your one move is speed um what are you?

[JohnnyV13]

Tank is longer than Dorsey.

I don't really want to know how you know that. Are you SURE you're looking for girls?

[Hammock Parties]

I don't really want to know how you know that. Are you SURE you're looking for girls?

Heh heh. :D

[KCrockaholic]

I love it that half of you guys think this signing = not a chance for Aaron Curry.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

We love it too; reality is awesome!

[Gravedigger]

Sort of rules out Aaron Curry.


Not at all, in fact bringing in more leadership with Vrabel and Thomas means more to teach the kids how its done, Thomas DJ Curry and Vrabel would be a formidable LB core, regardless of the age.

[PastorMikH]

I love when people say DT's are overweight when it's their job to be big fat guys.



Refrigerator Perry wasn't overwieght!

:)


Back 6-7 years ago I dropped quite a bit of weight (50 or so pounds). I found that I did have more agility but couldn't anchor down and get as much advantage from my muscle as I used to at a heavier weight. So I can definately understand how being "a big fat guy" could indeed help a DT or OL.

[Hammock Parties]

Not at all, in fact bringing in more leadership with Vrabel and Thomas means more to teach the kids how its done, Thomas DJ Curry and Vrabel would be a formidable LB core, regardless of the age.

Zach Thomas, the 240-pound, 3-4 outside linebacker.

Going up against offensive tackles.

The true fan has spoken.

[KCrockaholic]

Not at all, in fact bringing in more leadership with Vrabel and Thomas means more to teach the kids how its done, Thomas DJ Curry and Vrabel would be a formidable LB core, regardless of the age.

ah no way man! a 35 year old LB means that Curry wont be a Chief! Just like signing Bobby Engram rules out the possibility of Crabtree.

[Gravedigger]

Zach Thomas, the 240-pound, 3-4 outside linebacker.

Going up against offensive tackles.

The true fan has spoken.

Read the article again true fan, it says Vrabel gets an outside slot and DJ and Thomas are on the inside.

[Hammock Parties]

Read the article again true fan, it says Vrabel gets an outside slot and DJ and Thomas are on the inside.

So where does that leave your sweet baboo Curry?

On the bench?

Great spot for the third overall pick.

[Gravedigger]

ah no way man! a 35 year old LB means that Curry wont be a Chief! Just like signing Bobby Engram rules out the possibility of Crabtree.


The possibility of Crabtree was never a possibility, and personally I believe we're gonna trade down come hell or high water which means we're gonna end up way past Curry and possibly Monroe. Still I wouldnt' mind getting Maluaga with the trade down pick and making sure he's on our team instead of San Diego or Denver.

[Thig Lyfe]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0cicbvcaxDe8o/610x.jpg

[Gravedigger]

So where does that leave your sweet baboo Curry?

On the bench?

Great spot for the third overall pick.

I never said that we were going to take Curry, ever since we gave our second for Cassel I knew that Pioli was going to trade down to get it back, same as the rest of us pretty much knew. Stafford will probably be gone but Sanchez Curry and a better Olineman will still be there which is more than enough for trade bait.

[RustShack]

Not at all, in fact bringing in more leadership with Vrabel and Thomas means more to teach the kids how its done, Thomas DJ Curry and Vrabel would be a formidable LB core, regardless of the age.

Sooo we are lining up three ILB and one OLB?

[Hammock Parties]

I never said that we were going to take Curry,

You advocated it:

Thomas DJ Curry and Vrabel would be a formidable LB core

[Gravedigger]

Sooo we are lining up three ILB and one OLB?

You really think that Thomas and Vrabel are going to play every down? It's called substitution. Curry is versatile he can play anywhere, he just needs work on his pass rushing skills.

[Gravedigger]

You advocated it:

You advocate ten million arguements a day on this forum, the possibility of us taking him is always there. If people on this forum are foolish enough to think we're going to draft Sanchez or Stafford and hold them hostage for picks then us getting Curry is always a possibility.

Also I guarantee you that Thomas won't play more than one or two more seasons and Vrabel not much more than that. Build for the future my friend.

[RustShack]

You really think that Thomas and Vrabel are going to play every down? It's called substitution. Curry is versatile he can play anywhere, he just needs work on his pass rushing skills.

ROFL

LB depth is just what we need with the #3 pick.

[KCrockaholic]

The possibility of Crabtree was never a possibility, and personally I believe we're gonna trade down come hell or high water which means we're gonna end up way past Curry and possibly Monroe. Still I wouldnt' mind getting Maluaga with the trade down pick and making sure he's on our team instead of San Diego or Denver.

But the signing of Zach Thomas means we cant get Maualuga! Hes a linebacker too!

[Hammock Parties]

If I hear one more person say Curry can play outside linebacker I'm going to climb a clocktower.

[Gravedigger]

ROFL

LB depth is just what we need with the #3 pick.

No we need an olineman imo, it's not like I have a hardon for Curry, I'm just saying the possibility is always out there.

[Gravedigger]

But the signing of Zach Thomas means we cant get Maualuga! Hes a linebacker too!

Maulaga has more pass rushing skills, in fact that's going to be his biggest thing in the NFL, that's why the Broncos and other 3-4 teams are wanting him.

[KCrockaholic]

If I hear one more person say Curry can play outside linebacker I'm going to climb a clocktower.

He cant play outside linebacker because hes not versatile, has never played that position before and cant rush the passer.

So do I keep lying to you?

[KCrockaholic]

Maulaga has more pass rushing skills, in fact that's going to be his biggest thing in the NFL, that's why the Broncos and other 3-4 teams are wanting him.

I wish we could get him, or any other linebacker in this draft. But since we signed Thomas it just cant happen. That ol' 35 year old man ruined our chances of drafting a linebacker. Darn.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

He cant play outside linebacker because hes not versatile, has never played that position before and cant rush the passer.

So do I keep lying to you?

You're doing such a fantastic job of lying to yourself, why in the merry, happy hell not?!

[Direckshun]

I'm sorry but I can't help but think this is a great signing.

Plugging some of these holes for a year makes sense. I would have rathered for us to track down another OLB to compliment Vrabel but this makes sense, too.

With this, I seriously doubt we even draft ILB this year. Our holes at DL, OL, and WR can be addressed.

No Holtzclaw, folks. Breaks my heart.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I loved Seinfeld.

Just haven't watched in a while and didn't get the reference, cause as has been pointed out by Bugeater today, I'm old and have a bad memory.Yeah, well, you're their best-seller!

[Gravedigger]

I agree, veteran leadership is just the thing we need after a year of failure and being the youngest team in the NFL.

[RustShack]

Lets draft a LB #3 overall and ask him to do something he has never done before... Brilliant! Curry is basically Gholston except Curry doesn't posses the pass rushing skills needed to play OLB in the 3-4.

[Basileus777]

Signing Thomas has absolutely no bearing on who we draft. I don't know how someone could honestly think that signing a 35 year old player could affect who we take at #3. He will be a stopgap/mentor type player.

[Micjones]

Great signing.
Thomas still has gas left in the tank and can serve as a great leader defensively.

We'll definitely still need to take 1-2 LB's in the Draft.
Gotta have someone to turn it over to when Thomas and Vrabel hang it up.

[RustShack]

Depth is so much more important than starters at this point!

[BigRock]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=walker_james&id=3463857

He has 12 years' experience and seven Pro Bowls on his résumé.

He was a former fifth-round pick that rapidly developed into one of the most feared and respected linebackers in the NFL.

This defender is incredibly reckless with his body and -- according to NFL head coaches -- just as dangerous with his mind.

The smartest defensive player in the NFL is Dallas Cowboys linebacker Zach Thomas, according to ESPN.com's survey of head coaches.

That's from last July. I'm assuming he's still smart. With the concussions, I guess you never know.

[Hammock Parties]

We have the smartest owner, GM, head coach, quarterback and middle linebacker.

Unfortunately we have the dumbest fan base.

[KCChiefsMan]

is this legit or what? you would think this would break espn.com

[The_Doctor10]

Because our two ILB's will be Thomas and DJ.

So because you signed a 35-year old MLB you pass on a potential 10-year starter? Because Curry couldn't possibly learn anything from Vrabel and Thomas, could he? Nah, never happen....

[keg in kc]

I don't see how this could be construed as a bad thing in any way.

[Chiefaholic]

We have the smartest owner, GM, head coach, quarterback and middle linebacker.

Unfortunately we have the dumbest fan base.

Considering ignorant people PAY to read your garbage on WPI, you make a good point. Instead of running every draft option in the ground, YOU tell us what the Chiefs will do on draft day and who you'de pick instead.

[Hammock Parties]

YOU tell us what the Chiefs will do on draft day

They'll trade down.

That's what I'd do. And everyone knows I'm smart.

[Chiefaholic]

They'll trade down.

That's what I'd do. And everyone knows I'm smart.


More specific... Put yourself on the spot and tell me who they need to pick and at roughly what position in the draft.

[Hammock Parties]

More specific... Put yourself on the spot and tell me who they need to pick and at roughly what position in the draft.

BJ Raji at 12.

Everette Brown at 18.

That would be an ideal scenario.

But, who knows? They may not want to trade with the Donks. They may trade with some other team.

[Rausch]

They'll trade down.

That's what I'd do. And everyone knows I'm smart.

Smart enough to steal a better idea when you see one.

[rad]

BJ Raji at 12.

Everette Brown at 18.

That would be an ideal scenario.

But, who knows? They may not want to trade with the Donks. They may trade with some other team.

Wow, you are high.

[Crush]

If they still want Raji while trading down, then they are going to have to beat Green Bay to the punch. There is no way in hell that Raji, if he is still on the board, makes it past Green Bay.

[Micjones]

BJ Raji at 12.

Everette Brown at 18.

That would be an ideal scenario.

But, who knows? They may not want to trade with the Donks. They may trade with some other team.

If I could come away with Raji and Brown in doing so...
I wouldn't give a shit who I was trading with.
They'd have to toss in a third pick though. A 4th or 5th Rounder...
Hello Roscoe Parrish!

[CupidStunt]

Curry is basically Gholston except Curry doesn't posses the pass rushing skills needed to play OLB in the 3-4.

:spock: LMAO

This place has been infected by retardation.

[milkman]

So because you signed a 35-year old MLB you pass on a potential 10-year starter? Because Curry couldn't possibly learn anything from Vrabel and Thomas, could he? Nah, never happen....

I don't think this negates any possibility of drafting Curry.

However, LB becomes less of a priority this year because of Varbel and Thomas.

[doomy3]

Curry is basically Gholston except Curry doesn't posses the pass rushing skills needed to play OLB in the 3-4.

Overboard much?

The lengths that people are going to prove Curry isn't any good is out of control.

[philfree]

Overboard much?

The lengths that people are going to prove Curry isn't any good is out of control.


Exactly.



PhilFree:arrow:

[TheGuardian]

Wow. I started to read through the first couple of pages but I felt my inner Ted Bundy coming on and I had to stop for a few minutes at the stupidity.

To outline a few things.

This signing has nothing to do with whether or not we draft Curry. Thomas is 35 and might play here a year or two. I could easily take the path that Thomas was signed to show Curry how to play the position, something the Pats did a lot with their players.

Complaining about Zach Thomas' sack number makes about as much sense as complaining about Jenna Jameson's lack of a PhD. It's not what they are here for.

Zach's weight? When he came into the league as a rook he beat out Jack Del Rio for the starting job in Miami, put him out of the league, and he did it at 215 pounds or so. And I've never heard Zach complain about needing big blockers in front of him, even if he does from time to time (and what mike backer doesn't benefit from that anyway?)

Zach at this stage in his career is a two down player. His instincts are second to none of any linebacker I've ever watched in 30 years. Even better than Ray Lewis. Think about this. Zach had 94 tackles last year playing mostly on two downs in a defense where there were 3 other linebackers to share tackles with. Those 94 tackles were second on the team. He only started 14 games.

For those who don't know the position, have played the position or coached the position like I have, I can tell you that watching Zach run to where the ball is going to be going before it's snapped is a kick ass thing. Esp when you have been watching guys like Derrick Johnson flail all about the place when the ball is snapped, like he's in a ping pong battle with some guy from China.

Zach and Vrabel were brought in because we have the worst linebacking corps in the league, and the worst front 7. Not only will they help the young guys learn how to play at a high level they will actually improve the defense themselves.

I'm also still laughing at the people in here who keep going on and on about pass rushing skills at the outside linebacker position. It's not rocket science. It doesn't require the technique of a hand in the dirt defensive end. In a 30 front it's the ends job to occupy the tackle and the backers job to beat the extra protection like backs and tight ends. That's why guys like Merriman, who was no pass rushing demon at Maryland, can come in and rack up double digit sacks because they aren't matching up against tackles. They are being asked to beat backs and tight ends. Which most NFL linebackers can do. Greg Lloyd was a 5 time pro bowler (or more) at Pittsburgh. When he came out of Fort Valley State he was a 220 pound linebacker with no "pass rush skills", whatever the F that means.

Either way, the Thomas signing is a good one. He'll be asked to stuff the run, which he does really well, and help the young guys learn. This team just got a little better in the front 7, and they need all the help they can get.

[Hammock Parties]

That's why guys like Merriman, who was no pass rushing demon at Maryland, can come in and rack up double digit sacks because they aren't matching up against tackles.

I don't agree with this at all. 3-4 OLBs are handled by tackles all the time.

Branden Albert destroyed Joey Porter last year.

Merriman had his way with the Chiefs' tackles in years past.

I think Curry would get swallowed up against NFL offensive tackles.

[philfree]

Wow. I started to read through the first couple of pages but I felt my inner Ted Bundy coming on and I had to stop for a few minutes at the stupidity.

To outline a few things.

This signing has nothing to do with whether or not we draft Curry. Thomas is 35 and might play here a year or two. I could easily take the path that Thomas was signed to show Curry how to play the position, something the Pats did a lot with their players.

Complaining about Zach Thomas' sack number makes about as much sense as complaining about Jenna Jameson's lack of a PhD. It's not what they are here for.

Zach's weight? When he came into the league as a rook he beat out Jack Del Rio for the starting job in Miami, put him out of the league, and he did it at 215 pounds or so. And I've never heard Zach complain about needing big blockers in front of him, even if he does from time to time (and what mike backer doesn't benefit from that anyway?)

Zach at this stage in his career is a two down player. His instincts are second to none of any linebacker I've ever watched in 30 years. Even better than Ray Lewis. Think about this. Zach had 94 tackles last year playing mostly on two downs in a defense where there were 3 other linebackers to share tackles with. Those 94 tackles were second on the team. He only started 14 games.

For those who don't know the position, have played the position or coached the position like I have, I can tell you that watching Zach run to where the ball is going to be going before it's snapped is a kick ass thing. Esp when you have been watching guys like Derrick Johnson flail all about the place when the ball is snapped, like he's in a ping pong battle with some guy from China.

Zach and Vrabel were brought in because we have the worst linebacking corps in the league, and the worst front 7. Not only will they help the young guys learn how to play at a high level they will actually improve the defense themselves.

I'm also still laughing at the people in here who keep going on and on about pass rushing skills at the outside linebacker position. It's not rocket science. It doesn't require the technique of a hand in the dirt defensive end. In a 30 front it's the ends job to occupy the tackle and the backers job to beat the extra protection like backs and tight ends. That's why guys like Merriman, who was no pass rushing demon at Maryland, can come in and rack up double digit sacks because they aren't matching up against tackles. They are being asked to beat backs and tight ends. Which most NFL linebackers can do. Greg Lloyd was a 5 time pro bowler (or more) at Pittsburgh. When he came out of Fort Valley State he was a 220 pound linebacker with no "pass rush skills", whatever the F that means.

Either way, the Thomas signing is a good one. He'll be asked to stuff the run, which he does really well, and help the young guys learn. This team just got a little better in the front 7, and they need all the help they can get.

Very nice post.


PhilFree:arrow:

[chiefzilla1501]

BJ Raji at 12.

Everette Brown at 18.

That would be an ideal scenario.

But, who knows? They may not want to trade with the Donks. They may trade with some other team.

Agreed. There's a lot of scenarios that would work out great. Maybin could be okay in the middle of the first. Maualuga is actually a terrific fit for 3-4 ILB. Maclin, Robert Ayers. These guys could be had there too. In order, I'd go with Raji, Brown, Ayers, Maybin, Maclin. If you get one of those guys plus picks, that's a hell of a lot better than Curry at #3. Arguably, given that Curry would play an ILB role where he's limited to more of a role player than a versatile LB, most of these guys play higher impact positions anyway.

You can make the argument that versatile LBs are worth top 5 picks. But I don't agree that's the case for 3-4 ILBs.

[Bwana]

Good signing IMHO.

[SAUTO]

Give me all your phone numbers and I'll call and tell all you dumbasses to shut the fuck up.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

[bringbackmarty]

tank tyler at end? and where does demorrio fit in? Biesel starts? You and the rest of us don't know shit about what they really plan to do, although tank at end and Biesel starting are two things they will not do unless there are some injuries.

I doubt we play that much 3\4 first of all. Zach Thomas probably is only going to see the field when we do, or if someone gets hurt. We probably will play a base 4\3 with DJ in the middle, Vrabel and Demorrio outside. Line would be Hali, Dorsey, Tyler, draft pick.

I think this is way more likely than going 3\4 full bore.

[chiefzilla1501]

tank tyler at end? and where does demorrio fit in? Biesel starts? You and the rest of us don't know shit about what they really plan to do, although tank at end and Biesel starting are two things they will not do unless there are some injuries.

I doubt we play that much 3\4 first of all. Zach Thomas probably is only going to see the field when we do, or if someone gets hurt. We probably will play a base 4\3 with DJ in the middle, Vrabel and Demorrio outside. Line would be Hali, Dorsey, Tyler, draft pick.

I think this is way more likely than going 3\4 full bore.

There's a few things wrong with that.

First, Tank at End isn't a reach. I think he's better suited as a backup nose if he puts up pounds, but DEs in a 3-4 fit more of the mold of a DT. The only concern might be that he's a little short for the position. Beisel starting is not a stretch either. He's experienced in this system--he started for a few games in New England as an ILB. DJ and Zach Thomas are coverage guys, Beisel is the DE converted into a LB. I don't know that Beisel starts, but I think he sees a lot of reps as the more stout, run-stopper than DJ or Zach Thomas.

But most importantly, Vrabel is not a guy you want to play OLB in a 4-3. He's not a great OLB in a pure OLB sense of the word. He's a pass rusher who can play OLB when called upon to mix things up. What's more likely is that Zach Thomas plays the middle and DJ and Demorrio play on the outside in a 4-3. But again, I believe that this hybrid defense is a stopgap until they have the resources to load up on 3-4 personnel. That's why you get stopgaps like Vrabel and Zach Thomas to hold a short-term defense until you can build the real one. I guarantee this team is full-blown 3-4 within the next 2-3 years.

[bdeg]

If they still want Raji while trading down, then they are going to have to beat Green Bay to the punch. There is no way in hell that Raji, if he is still on the board, makes it past Green Bay.

I'm not as sure. They did just draft a 330 lb DT a ouple years ago, Justin Harrell. He has been injured too much to have an impact, but I'm not 100% sure they're ready to give up on him.

[bringbackmarty]

We have the smartest owner, GM, head coach, quarterback and middle linebacker.

Unfortunately we have the dumbest fan base.
QFT....

[Bill Lundberg]

The Guardian is quickly becoming my favorite poster... That's all

[bringbackmarty]

There's a few things wrong with that.

First, Tank at End isn't a reach. I think he's better suited as a backup nose if he puts up pounds, but DEs in a 3-4 fit more of the mold of a DT. The only concern might be that he's a little short for the position. Beisel starting is not a stretch either. He's experienced in this system--he started for a few games in New England as an ILB. DJ and Zach Thomas are coverage guys, Beisel is the DE converted into a LB. I don't know that Beisel starts, but I think he sees a lot of reps as the more stout, run-stopper than DJ or Zach Thomas.

But most importantly, Vrabel is not a guy you want to play OLB in a 4-3. He's not a great OLB in a pure OLB sense of the word. He's a pass rusher who can play OLB when called upon to mix things up. What's more likely is that Zach Thomas plays the middle and DJ and Demorrio play on the outside in a 4-3. But again, I believe that this hybrid defense is a stopgap until they have the resources to load up on 3-4 personnel. That's why you get stopgaps like Vrabel and Zach Thomas to hold a short-term defense until you can build the real one. I guarantee this team is full-blown 3-4 within the next 2-3 years.

I don't think we have the personnel to run either, and vrabel would be outside in obvious passing situations regardless of which scheme was being run. Maybe we sub someone in for him and\or thomas when it's first down.

Tank is not agile enough to play end in any system, no matter what his weight. Think completely inneffective like alphonso Boone. Dorsey is just plain wrong for the 3\4.

We can't afford for Vrabel and Thomas to be only "situational' next year if we don't get some good meat for the lines.

[DJJasonp]

Wow. I started to read through the first couple of pages but I felt my inner Ted Bundy coming on and I had to stop for a few minutes at the stupidity.

To outline a few things.

This signing has nothing to do with whether or not we draft Curry. Thomas is 35 and might play here a year or two. I could easily take the path that Thomas was signed to show Curry how to play the position, something the Pats did a lot with their players.

Complaining about Zach Thomas' sack number makes about as much sense as complaining about Jenna Jameson's lack of a PhD. It's not what they are here for.

Zach's weight? When he came into the league as a rook he beat out Jack Del Rio for the starting job in Miami, put him out of the league, and he did it at 215 pounds or so. And I've never heard Zach complain about needing big blockers in front of him, even if he does from time to time (and what mike backer doesn't benefit from that anyway?)

Zach at this stage in his career is a two down player. His instincts are second to none of any linebacker I've ever watched in 30 years. Even better than Ray Lewis. Think about this. Zach had 94 tackles last year playing mostly on two downs in a defense where there were 3 other linebackers to share tackles with. Those 94 tackles were second on the team. He only started 14 games.

For those who don't know the position, have played the position or coached the position like I have, I can tell you that watching Zach run to where the ball is going to be going before it's snapped is a kick ass thing. Esp when you have been watching guys like Derrick Johnson flail all about the place when the ball is snapped, like he's in a ping pong battle with some guy from China.

Zach and Vrabel were brought in because we have the worst linebacking corps in the league, and the worst front 7. Not only will they help the young guys learn how to play at a high level they will actually improve the defense themselves.

I'm also still laughing at the people in here who keep going on and on about pass rushing skills at the outside linebacker position. It's not rocket science. It doesn't require the technique of a hand in the dirt defensive end. In a 30 front it's the ends job to occupy the tackle and the backers job to beat the extra protection like backs and tight ends. That's why guys like Merriman, who was no pass rushing demon at Maryland, can come in and rack up double digit sacks because they aren't matching up against tackles. They are being asked to beat backs and tight ends. Which most NFL linebackers can do. Greg Lloyd was a 5 time pro bowler (or more) at Pittsburgh. When he came out of Fort Valley State he was a 220 pound linebacker with no "pass rush skills", whatever the F that means.

Either way, the Thomas signing is a good one. He'll be asked to stuff the run, which he does really well, and help the young guys learn. This team just got a little better in the front 7, and they need all the help they can get.

nice post...welcome to the planet....and rep!

[Crush]

I'm not as sure. They did just draft a 330 lb DT a ouple years ago, Justin Harrell. He has been injured too much to have an impact, but I'm not 100% sure they're ready to give up on him.


Maybe not, but I think Raji would be a nice security blanket in the middle since they are switching to the 3-4.

[milkman]

nice post...welcome to the planet....and rep!

I feel almost compelled to give him neg rep just to counter the pos rep, just cause I'm an asshole.

[DTLB58]

is this legit or what? you would think this would break espn.com

Ask and ye shall receive http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4062170

[philfree]

Updated: April 12, 2009, 9:21 AM ET
Report: Chiefs, LB Thomas agree to dealComment Email Print Share ESPN.com news services

The Kansas City Chiefs and seven-time Pro Bowl linebacker Zach Thomas have agreed to a contract, The Kansas City Star has reported.



Thomas

Thomas, 36, started 14 of 16 games for the Dallas Cowboys in 2008 during his 13th NFL season, recording 94 tackles, 65 of which came solo.

Thomas rounds out a linebacker corps that includes four-year veteran Derrick Johnson and Mike Vrabel.

The Chiefs acquired Vrabel from the New England Patriots in a February trade that brought quarterback Matt Cassel to Kansas City for a second-round draft pick.

Thomas spent the first 12 years of his career with the Miami Dolphins, with whom he was named to his last Pro Bowl in 2006 before missing 11 games with migraine headaches resulting from an auto accident in 2007.

Thomas made off-the-field news in March when he told The Dallas Morning News that his wife, Maritza, was handcuffed and spent about three hours in jail in July 2008 after Dallas police officer Robert Powell pulled her over for an illegal U-turn.

Powell, who has resigned, stopped Houston Texans running back Ryan Moats last month for running a red light on his way to the hospital to see his dying mother-in-law. Powell detained Moats for more than 10 minutes, in which time his mother-in-law died.

"We wanted to tell our story, not knowing how many others have been affected by Officer Powell," Thomas told the newspaper. "We know the vast majority of the Dallas police force are good and professional people, but this guy just seems excessive

What a monster.



PhilFree:arrow:

[tonyetony]

Ask and ye shall receive http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4062170

That picture reminded me of how damn stocky that cat is. I mean really now, his neck and his head are the same size.

[SBK]

I think this is a good move. He'll be able to teach our younger guys a few things before he gets a concussion.

[tonyetony]

Thomas made off-the-field news in March when he told The Dallas Morning News that his wife, Maritza, was handcuffed and spent about three hours in jail in July 2008 after Dallas police officer Robert Powell pulled her over for an illegal U-turn.

Powell, who has resigned, stopped Houston Texans running back Ryan Moats last month for running a red light on his way to the hospital to see his dying mother-in-law. Powell detained Moats for more than 10 minutes, in which time his mother-in-law died.

"We wanted to tell our story, not knowing how many others have been affected by Officer Powell," Thomas told the newspaper. "We know the vast majority of the Dallas police force are good and professional people, but this guy just seems excessive

www.epk.com/2009/03/maritza-thomas-got-the-moats-treatment/

Powell literally looks like a dick with ears.

[StcChief]

Wow. I started to read through the first couple of pages but I felt my inner Ted Bundy coming on and I had to stop for a few minutes at the stupidity.

To outline a few things.

This signing has nothing to do with whether or not we draft Curry. Thomas is 35 and might play here a year or two. I could easily take the path that Thomas was signed to show Curry how to play the position, something the Pats did a lot with their players.

Complaining about Zach Thomas' sack number makes about as much sense as complaining about Jenna Jameson's lack of a PhD. It's not what they are here for.

Zach's weight? When he came into the league as a rook he beat out Jack Del Rio for the starting job in Miami, put him out of the league, and he did it at 215 pounds or so. And I've never heard Zach complain about needing big blockers in front of him, even if he does from time to time (and what mike backer doesn't benefit from that anyway?)

Zach at this stage in his career is a two down player. His instincts are second to none of any linebacker I've ever watched in 30 years. Even better than Ray Lewis. Think about this. Zach had 94 tackles last year playing mostly on two downs in a defense where there were 3 other linebackers to share tackles with. Those 94 tackles were second on the team. He only started 14 games.

For those who don't know the position, have played the position or coached the position like I have, I can tell you that watching Zach run to where the ball is going to be going before it's snapped is a kick ass thing. Esp when you have been watching guys like Derrick Johnson flail all about the place when the ball is snapped, like he's in a ping pong battle with some guy from China.

Zach and Vrabel were brought in because we have the worst linebacking corps in the league, and the worst front 7. Not only will they help the young guys learn how to play at a high level they will actually improve the defense themselves.

I'm also still laughing at the people in here who keep going on and on about pass rushing skills at the outside linebacker position. It's not rocket science. It doesn't require the technique of a hand in the dirt defensive end. In a 30 front it's the ends job to occupy the tackle and the backers job to beat the extra protection like backs and tight ends. That's why guys like Merriman, who was no pass rushing demon at Maryland, can come in and rack up double digit sacks because they aren't matching up against tackles. They are being asked to beat backs and tight ends. Which most NFL linebackers can do. Greg Lloyd was a 5 time pro bowler (or more) at Pittsburgh. When he came out of Fort Valley State he was a 220 pound linebacker with no "pass rush skills", whatever the F that means.

Either way, the Thomas signing is a good one. He'll be asked to stuff the run, which he does really well, and help the young guys learn. This team just got a little better in the front 7, and they need all the help they can get.:clap::clap: Very good analysis. Agree Zach Thomas good signing.

[htismaqe]

So because you signed a 35-year old MLB you pass on a potential 10-year starter? Because Curry couldn't possibly learn anything from Vrabel and Thomas, could he? Nah, never happen....

So because you signed a 26-year old QB who has less than 16 games of experience in college and the NFL combined, you pass on a potential 10-year starter?

[OnTheWarpath15]

So because you signed a 26-year old QB who has less than 16 games of experience in college and the NFL combined, you pass on a potential 10-year starter?

LMAO

[philfree]

So because you signed a 26-year old QB who has less than 16 games of experience in college and the NFL combined, you pass on a potential 10-year starter?

There's a chance Cassel could turn into an 8-10 year starter. Isn't there? I'm no different then most Chiefs fans in that I'd really like for the Chiefs to draft a QB who becomes our franchise QB but I try not to let that cloud my judgement of things that could or couldn't happen. Cassel for a 2nd was a good trade IMO but it did take away the chance for the Chiefs to draft that franchise QB. That doesn't mean Cassel can't be a franchise QB for the Chiefs. Will he? I don't know but the people who are running the Chiefs now will probably do a good job of setting him up to succeed.


PhilFree:arrow:

[RustShack]

So because you signed a 35-year old MLB you pass on a potential 10-year starter? Because Curry couldn't possibly learn anything from Vrabel and Thomas, could he? Nah, never happen....

Yeah drafting a LB at #3 to be a backup and/or a major project, great thinking!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Overboard much?

The lengths that people are going to prove Curry isn't any good is out of control.

Hey Kettle; it's quite the familiar theme around these parts, ain't it?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

There's a chance Cassel could turn into an 8-10 year starter. Isn't there? I'm no different then most Chiefs fans in that I'd really like for the Chiefs to draft a QB who becomes our franchise QB but I try not to let that cloud my judgement of things that could or couldn't happen. Cassel for a 2nd was a good trade IMO but it did take away the chance for the Chiefs to draft that franchise QB. That doesn't mean Cassel can't be a franchise QB for the Chiefs. Will he? I don't know but the people who are running the Chiefs now will probably do a good job of setting him up to succeed.



PhilFree:arrow:

Judging from these signings, you may be right. The Pioli Chiefs apparently have major wood for the Geritol set.

[RustShack]

Judging from these signings, you may be right. The Pioli Chiefs apparently have major wood for the Geritol set.

In 10 years Cassel will be 36... most QB's are still playing then.

[philfree]

In 10 years Cassel will be 36... most QB's are still playing then.

Franchise QBs often play well into their 30s. If plays till he's 34 he'll have played 8 years for the Chiefs. And he does have low miles so I can easily see that happen.


PhilFree:arrow:

[Sure-Oz]

Good signing, we need guys in here that know how to win, and teach these young guys something too

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

In 10 years Cassel will be 36... most QB's are still dragging ass unlike the anomaly Kurt Warner then.

FYP.

[nychief]

how soon till we sign Jason Taylor?

[chiefs1111]

Zach Thomas Contract Details Revealed
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 12, 2009, 3:43 p.m.

The Kansas City Chiefs’ one-year contract with veteran linebacker Zach Thomas is worth $2 million, according to a league source.

Mike Florio just texted us the details. He’s also reporting that Thomas is projected to start at inside linebacker.

Thomas, 35, is entering his 14th NFL season and started 14 games last season for the Dallas Cowboys.

He recorded 94 tackles and one sack last season.

According to NFL.com, the former Miami Dolphins star has registered 1,076 career tackles, 20 1/2 sacks and 17 interceptions with four touchdowns.


http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

[Blick]

He's old, but at least he knows how to read keys and fill holes against the run. I've never been a big Zach Thomas fan, but he'll look 10 times better than Pat Thomas.

[Direckshun]

how soon till we sign Jason Taylor?

I honestly can see it happening...

[Mecca]

I've never personally thought this team was taking Curry at 3 regardless it just doesn't make any sense.

[chiefs1111]

how soon till we sign Jason Taylor?

:LOL:

[Direckshun]

I've never personally thought this team was taking Curry at 3 regardless it just doesn't make any sense.

What's your gut tell you?

Is there any shot to trade down, period?

[chiefsngop]

In 10 years Cassel will be 36... most QB's are still playing then.

Take a redshirt senior in the draft who then takes two years to devolop and you'd have a QB Cassel's age.

Not saying he's a lock for our QBOTF but he's got age on his side, not age working against him.

He also hasn't taken a ton of punishment thus far in his career.

[Mecca]

Oh and Clay, there's no way Raji is going at 12, I think his worst case scenario is Packers at 9.

[chiefsngop]

Zach Thomas Contract Details Revealed
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 12, 2009, 3:43 p.m.

The Kansas City Chiefs’ one-year contract with veteran linebacker Zach Thomas is worth $2 million, according to a league source.

Mike Florio just texted us the details. He’s also reporting that Thomas is projected to start at inside linebacker.

Thomas, 35, is entering his 14th NFL season and started 14 games last season for the Dallas Cowboys.

He recorded 94 tackles and one sack last season.

According to NFL.com, the former Miami Dolphins star has registered 1,076 career tackles, 20 1/2 sacks and 17 interceptions with four touchdowns.


http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/


A one year contract to an established veteran LB, given our current LB woes and ample cap room ? I'm ok with it.

[htismaqe]

There's a chance Cassel could turn into an 8-10 year starter. Isn't there? I'm no different then most Chiefs fans in that I'd really like for the Chiefs to draft a QB who becomes our franchise QB but I try not to let that cloud my judgement of things that could or couldn't happen. Cassel for a 2nd was a good trade IMO but it did take away the chance for the Chiefs to draft that franchise QB. That doesn't mean Cassel can't be a franchise QB for the Chiefs. Will he? I don't know but the people who are running the Chiefs now will probably do a good job of setting him up to succeed.


PhilFree:arrow:

You're just pissed that now that we have Zach Thomas, we don't need Curry.

Aren't double standards fun?

[BigChiefFan]

This is a good move. It reminds me of the Roman Phifer signing by the Pats years ago. Thomas is a consumate professional and will most likely start for us, while helping teach the younger players what it takes to become a professional with staying power.

I know he's lost a step, but he'll go the extra mile in practice and in conditioning, so hopefully some of the young players take notice. Let's hope he stays healthy and not be a liabilty.

[Mecca]

So if we're signing guys to be professionals and teach young guys to do the same, does that mean we're going to get rid of our whiny bitches?

[milkman]

So if we're signing guys to be professionals and teach young guys to do the same, does that mean we're going to get rid of our whiny bitches?

Not for less than a 1st and 4th rounder.

[Hootie]

how soon till we sign Jason Taylor?

I would pay him a lot for two years. We can definitely give him more than New England...and he is married to Zach Thomas' sister.

This would be awesome.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Take a redshirt senior in the draft who then takes two years to devolop and you'd have a QB Cassel's age.

Not saying he's a lock for our QBOTF but he's got age on his side, not age working against him.

He also hasn't taken a ton of punishment thus far in his career.

...and then he came to Kansas City, met Sackintosh, and that was ALL SHE WROTE! LMAO

[Mecca]

I would pay him a lot for two years. We can definitely give him more than New England...and he is married to Zach Thomas' sister.

This would be awesome.

I thought they were divorced...

[Hootie]

I thought they were divorced...

that's possible...I just know they were once married