Who will win the Big XII North in 2009?

[Denver Dave]

It's never too early to start talking college football. GO BUFFS!

[Bugeater]

ROFL

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[Skip Towne]

KU has a lot of returning lettermen. I haven't seen the schedule yet so I won't predict victory.

[Reaper16]

Buffs? GTFO with that shit.

[Kyle DeLexus]

I'm going with Mr. Reesing and the Hawks.

[Pablo]

KU has a lot of returning lettermen. I haven't seen the schedule yet so I won't predict victory.It's no easy schedule by any means..but it's not entirely impossible to think we could come out 10-2.

[Spott]

This poll should be called who will get blown out by OU or Texas.

[Pablo]

This poll should be called who will get blown out by OU or Texas.Truth. The North has about .00001% chance of beating the OU Bradford's or the UT McCoy's.

[DJJasonp]

Truth. The North has about .00001% chance of beating the OU Bradford's or the UT McCoy's.

I'm going to go out on a (homer) limb and say the hawks beat OU this year.

Out of all the teams that played OU last year prior to the BCS - the hawks gave OU (in their house) their toughest game of the season.

If the defense gets better, it could be a special season in Lawrence this year.

[BWillie]

KU should be better than last year even. Missouri is going to be down I think a little bit. I would expect Nebraska and KU to duke it out for 1st in the North. Gonna be hard to beat the experience KU has coming back in Reesing and that receiving corps.

[Reerun_KC]

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[KC_Connection]

KU will win, but at least MU has one thing going for them this season. They no longer have Chase Daniel choking away big games. LMAO

[beavis]

KU will win, but at least MU has one thing going for them this season. They no longer have Chase Daniel choking away big games. LMAO

.

[Spott]

Nebraska and Mizzou have the easiest schedules. KU will probably finish 4-4 in conference again next season and the winner of the north will likely be the winner of the NU at MU game.

[Reerun_KC]

.

Thanks for the reminder!

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[KC_Connection]

KU:

vs. ISU W
at CU W
vs. OU L
at TTU L
at KSU W
vs. NU W
at UT L
vs. MU W

5-3

MU:
vs. NU W
at OSU L
vs. UT L
at CU W
vs. BU W
at KSU W
vs.ISU W
vs. KU L

5-3

NU:
at MU L
vs. TTU W
vs. ISU W
at BU W
vs OU L
at KU L
vs KSU W
at CU W

5-3


KU wins H2H tiebreaker. KU wins Big 12 North. To the `ship we go.

That's the way it's going to go down.

[beavis]

Thanks for the reminder!


Like his fatass would eat an orange that wasn't made of chocolate.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The same motherfuckers who won it the last two years.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The same motherfuckers who won it the last two years.

Bitch.

[okcchief]

I think KU will have their hands full with that schedule, but I refuse to pick for or against them yet.

KU has more experienced talent but the others are better off schedule wise. No one in the North should have to play OU and Texas in the same season.

[Bugeater]

I think KU will have their hands full with that schedule, but I refuse to pick for or against them yet.

KU has more experienced talent but the others are better off schedule wise. No one in the North should have to play OU and Texas in the same season.
Funny y'all weren't bitching about not having to play either of them in 2007.

[Sure-Oz]

KU should do well with the returning guys....

I hope to see Mu have a solid season

[ROYC75]

KU should, guess we will see soon.

[KC_Connection]

Funny y'all weren't bitching about not having to play either of them in 2007.

ORANGE BOWL

[Bugeater]

ORANGE BOWL
Exactly, you wouldn't have been there had you played either of them.

[Spott]

ORANGE BOWL


3rd place team gets to go to the shittiest BCS game. Congrats.

[RustShack]

Iowa State is on the rise... might not be this year.. but they are coming.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

ORANGE BOWL

Yes, cling to a 2 year-old victory because in College Sports; that's not pathetic or anything.

[Reaper16]

Iowa State is on the rise... might not be this year.. but they are coming.
You're cute.

[KC_Connection]

3rd place.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xGaUPn3b2uI/R1PKfnmFu5I/AAAAAAAAAYs/rlBtCMmwmLE/s1600-R/orange+cotton+bowl.bmp

LMAO

[Bugeater]

Yes, cling to a 2 year-old victory because in College Sports; that's not pathetic or anything.
Yeah, cuz dissing a BCS bowl win when your team has never even played in one isn't pathetic either.

[KC_Connection]

Yes, cling to a 2 year-old victory because in College Sports; that's not pathetic or anything.
oh, you're right:

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[KC_Connection]

Yeah, cuz dissing a BCS bowl win when your team has never even played in one isn't pathetic either.
oh snap

[Spott]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xGaUPn3b2uI/R1PKfnmFu5I/AAAAAAAAAYs/rlBtCMmwmLE/s1600-R/orange+cotton+bowl.bmp

LMAO

LMAO, you've finished behind a fraud of a football team with a choker of a QB for 10 years straight now.

[Reaper16]

This thread became stupid all of a sudden. Can't you Tigers and Jayhawks talk about football without devolving into the same, tired archetypes?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xGaUPn3b2uI/R1PKfnmFu5I/AAAAAAAAAYs/rlBtCMmwmLE/s1600-R/orange+cotton+bowl.bmp



LMAO

Hoist up that 2008 BB Championship banner too, because once again; it's SO relevant to 2010!

[Spott]

oh, you're right:

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Oh yeah, that was your Super Bowl.

[KC_Connection]

LMAO, you've finished behind a fraud of a football team with a choker of a QB for 10 years straight now.
ORANGE BOWL

[RustShack]

You're cute.

Paul Rhodes is doing everthing right. He brought in the Rice OC that brought them a great spread offense. He brought in the South Florida DC that brought them a great defense. ISU's secondary coach is the one they had a little bit back when their defense was good and the secondary was the strength.. he turned down a BCS schools offer for the DC job and returned to ISU to coach the secondary again. They have also had some not top, but pretty good recruiting classes the last few years. Just wait, its coming. My personal favorite is sophomore RB Bo Williams who transfered from Florida, he was one of the top RB's in his class and is very big and fast. Hell ISU's QB set a few passing records last year his sophomore year in a pro style offense, they will be running the spread now, and it will make him look even better.

[Sure-Oz]

Who cares about this argument, its the same old shit

Time to look forward to the 09 football season

[KC_Connection]

Hoist up that 2008 BB Championship banner too, because once again; it's SO relevant to 2010!
You seriously chirping the basketball team? Know your limits, fuckface.

[KC_Connection]

This thread became stupid all of a sudden. Can't you Tigers and Jayhawks talk about football without devolving into the same, tired archetypes?
Like that wasn't my intention, haha.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Yeah, cuz dissing a BCS bowl win when your team has never even played in one isn't pathetic either.

Relevance is where ya' find it!

[Bugeater]

This thread became stupid all of a sudden. Can't you Tigers and Jayhawks talk about football without devolving into the same, tired archetypes?
I was actually hoping it would turn into a sCUm bashing thread since the OP is a Buffs fan. That's something we could all participate in.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You seriously chirping the basketball team? Know your limits, fuckface.

I have no limits when it comes you, idiot beaker; let's rumble!4321

Oh, and only idiots with beaks "chirp", chirpy.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Like that wasn't my intention, haha.

You made the promise, I'm gonna' keep it.

[Bugeater]

Relevance is where ya' find it!
And I hope you enjoyed your two years of it as much as I enjoyed our 30+ years of it.

[KC_Connection]

I have no limits when it comes you, idiot beaker; let's rumble!4321

KU's basketball team will systematically destroy MU twice next year. I wouldn't even want to mention it if I were you.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

And I hope you enjoyed your two years of it as much as I enjoyed our 30+ years of it.

30 years of Football relevance??? Are you high?

[Pablo]

30 years of Football relevance??? Are you high?He's a Huskers fan.

[KC_Connection]

He's a Huskers fan.
Delusions of grandeur.

[alanm]

While amusing, these threads are pointless.
Go Big Red!! :thumb::thumb:

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

And I hope you enjoyed your two years of it as much as I enjoyed our 30+ years of it.

I have no problem with UN, I would have picked them to win the North if it were multiple choice.
MU or UN will win the north, not Kansas.

[Denver Dave]

ROFL

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Buffs? GTFO with that shit.


Tigers, Jayhawks, Wildcats and Cyclones fans,

I'm sorry, this is a private party. You can't come in ROFL

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[Bugeater]

Tigers, Jayhawks, Wildcats and Cyclones fans,

I'm sorry, this is a private party. You can't come in ROFL

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3032/customcoacheslg.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=customcoacheslg.jpg)
Is that supposed to be the one you won in 1990? If so, I fixed it for you.

[Denver Dave]

Is that supposed to be the one you won in 1990? If so, I fixed it for you.

LOL

I posted the wrong trophy. Fixed it.

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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Like that wasn't my intention, haha.

Oh look! It's the Kansas Early Bird getting it's worm!:eek:

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[Frazod]

Tigers, Jayhawks, Wildcats and Cyclones fans,

I'm sorry, this is a private party. You can't come in ROFL

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3032/customcoacheslg.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=customcoacheslg.jpg)

And how many extra down$ did you need?

[Blick]

K-State, of course.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

K-State, of course.

Snyder Power! Destroy that fucking beak, and then let's get together for some real Football!

[kstater]

ROFL

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

ROFL

They must die. DIE!!!

[Blick]

Just to clarify, I wasn't being serious.

[Mr. Kotter]

I chose my Jayhawks, but Mizzou should be good too.

Nebraska could surprise them both though; if not this year, next year Nebraska will be back....

[Saulbadguy]

I predict KU will make their first ever Big XII title game appearance.

[CoMoChief]

I wouldnt take NEB out of the picture. All of MU's stars are gone pretty much. KU has a lot of people coming back.

If I were a betting man I'd pick KU. Mainly because of the players returning.

Whos knows though.

[Jethopper]

I predict KU will make their first ever Big XII title game appearance.

:clap:

[ChiefsCountry]

With Reesing you have to think Kansas is the favorite, if Gabbert plays well Mizzou could suprise. I see Colorado as the sleeper team.
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[Lzen]

Hoist up that 2008 BB Championship banner too, because once again; it's SO relevant to 2010!

2010? Did I miss something?

[Lzen]

This thread became stupid all of a sudden. Can't you Tigers and Jayhawks talk about football without devolving into the same, tired archetypes?

Apparently not. ROFL

[Pants]

I still don't understand where DCS gets the idea that mizury is some kind of a football powerhouse. What did I miss?

[Lzen]

I still don't understand where DCS gets the idea that mizury is some kind of a football powerhouse. What did I miss?

Is Raised on Riots a new account for DCS? I guess that would make sense. Either that, or they have the same parents who also happen to be cousins.

[Pants]

Is Raised on Riots a new account for DCS? I guess that would make sense. Either that, or they have the same parents who also happen to be siblings.

FYP.

[eazyb81]

I'd love to pick Mizzou but KU will win it this year. They have a ton of players coming back while Mizzou basically lost everyone. Mizzou still has talent but it's young and unproven.

I'm not even convinced that Mizzou will beat out Nebraska for 2nd place.

[Lzen]

FTR,
I am going to pick my Jayhawks. Not because of being a homer. Well, maybe a little bit. Moreso the fact that they are bringing back a lot of experience. OU and UT will be very tough. I expect us to get killed by UT but the OU game could be interesting. Also, Texas Tech may be winnable considering they lost some great players.

I would say that Nebraska will be KU's biggest challenger. Pelini seems to have them on the right track back to being a college football power once again.

MU may surprise and win some games that nobody thought they would. But I just don't see them playing at the level they have the past couple of seasons due to all of the great players they lost.

CU is hard to take seriously if they keep Cody Hawkins at QB.

KSU is a question mark at this point. Snyder was once a great coach for them. You gotta wonder if he has anything left in the tank. His last 2 years were less than impressive to put it mildly. And have they been able to recruit any kind of talent? Coaching staff he put together seems to be pretty solid.

ISU won't be challenging for anything. At least not yet.

[Saulbadguy]

FTR,
CU is hard to take seriously if they keep Cody Hawkins at QB.


Yeah, you knew that would be a disaster going in. At the college level having your dad as the HC creates some problems.

[Skip Towne]

Yeah, you knew that would be a disaster going in. At the college level having your dad as the HC creates some problems.

It worked for Elway.

[Saulbadguy]

It worked for Elway.

Yeah but Elway was actually talented.

[RustShack]

I'd love to pick Mizzou but KU will win it this year. They have a ton of players coming back while Mizzou basically lost everyone. Mizzou still has talent but it's young and unproven.

I'm not even convinced that Mizzou will beat out Nebraska for 2nd place.

I'm just going to throw it out there, ISU didn't lose anyone. Their best players last year were mostly freshman and sophomores(on offense, more juniors on defense).

[Titty Meat]

lol people picking KU to win the big 12 north. Nebraskas Kicker out ran there whole defense for fucks sake.

[Saulbadguy]

lol people picking KU to win the big 12 north. Nebraskas Kicker out ran there whole defense for ****s sake.

Plus they have lots of tradition.

[Skip Towne]

lol people picking KU to win the big 12 north. Nebraskas Kicker out ran there whole defense for fucks sake.

Nebraska has a fast kicker.

[CoMoChief]

lol people picking KU to win the big 12 north. Nebraskas Kicker out ran there whole defense for ****s sake.

Ever heard of Brian Moorman? Punter for Buffalo Bills.

He competed in the final heat in the NFL fastest man competition.

[RickObie]

Ever heard of Brian Moorman? Punter for Buffalo Bills.

He competed in the final heat in the NFL fastest man competition.

So then you're saying the Bills are going to win the Big 12 North!

[Tiger's Fan]

KU
NU
MU
CU
KSU
ISU

[Go Mizzou & Chiefs]

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[Reaper16]

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/1Failure.jpg
Just stop it. Fuck.

[Pablo]

Just stop it. ****.
Hold on..I'm gonna go find that pic of Daniels eating a booger.

[Reaper16]

Hold on..I'm gonna go find that pic of Daniels eating a booger.
No, you cut it out, too.

[RNR]

Total homer vote on my part, went KU. It was a toss up between them and KSU. I am not a real fan of KU or KSU they are the local schools and I root for them to do well. That and I hate Missouri and every team in the state :)

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I still don't understand where DCS gets the idea that mizury is some kind of a football powerhouse. What did I miss?

The day they handed out brains and balls.

[|Zach|]

Iowa State is on the rise... might not be this year.. but they are coming.

No.

[Pablo]

No, you cut it out, too.Can't I just post the 'One Shining Moment' vid FFS?

I mean, you take away cliche's and you're taking away the lifeblood of this board...

[|Zach|]

I think Mizzou's defense will be much improved...I worry about the defensive line just a bit. It will be interesting to see their offense go to work. The Tigers have a lot of young talented players to make things happen. I heard the death of Mizzou's program was going to come about when Brad Smith left so its pretty tough to label THIS team with all of its young talent as DOA.

Wes Kemp has been doing a lot of good things out there and our linebackers seem really strong.

[Skip Towne]

Whoa! KSU has 5 votes. Mikey and William must have dupe accounts.

[Go Mizzou & Chiefs]

MU
NEB
KU
KSU
COL
ISU

[kcfan82]

The mighty Huskers of course..

[ChiefsRoyalsMizzou]

Mizzou

[ArrowheadHawk]

Ku is gonna dominate the north.
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[Pants]

The day they handed out brains and balls.

OK, so where do you get the idea that mizury is a football powerhouse. Honest to god question.

[ArrowheadHawk]

OK, so where do you get the idea that mizury is a football powerhouse. Honest to god question.Its all those titles and top 5 finishes.
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[KCChiefsMan]

I dont see anyone in the north beating us next year

[Spott]

Its all those titles and top 5 finishes.
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Well, at least we have a top 5 finish.

[Saulbadguy]

OK, so where do you get the idea that mizury is a football powerhouse. Honest to god question.

They aren't. Just more so than KU, IMO.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Also just to get a jab in. KU is 4-2 against MU the last six meetings.
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[Spott]

Also just to get a jab in. KU is 4-2 against MU the last six meetings.
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And Missouri finished ahead of Kansas all 6 of those years.

[ChiefsRoyalsMizzou]

And Missouri finished ahead of Kansas all 6 of those years.

:D

[Saulbadguy]

Also just to get a jab in. KU is 4-2 against MU the last six meetings.
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Why go back 6 years? Is 6 years more meaningful than 3 years? How about 20 years? Hell, I think the all-time series is just about even.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

OK, so where do you get the idea that mizury is a football powerhouse. Honest to god question.

They aren't. Just more so than KU, IMO.

What he said.

[Skip Towne]

They aren't. Just more so than KU, IMO.

Neither one has much history and the all time series is tied. KU has 2 Orange bowls to Mizzou's 0.

[ChiefsRoyalsMizzou]

Why go back 6 years? Is 6 years more meaningful than 3 years? How about 20 years? Hell, I think the all-time series is just about even.

54-54-9

[htismaqe]

The Sucklones are gonna do it!

[alanm]

The mighty Huskers of course..Of course. :D

[Tiger's Fan]

Neither one has much history and the all time series is tied. KU has 2 Orange bowls to Mizzou's 0.

This

[Pants]

They aren't. Just more so than KU, IMO.

So KU is the measuring stick? ROFL

Since when?

Both programs are improving, and as of recent, KU has bested MU in all things except the B12 North standings.

And as it has been pointed out, the all time record vs each other is a dead heat.

So once again, since when is MU a football powerhouse? Oh wait... since never.

[Titty Meat]

Nebraska 5 National Championships

KU/MU a combined 0 National Championships

Nuff said

[Bugeater]

Billay, don't be a hero.

[eazyb81]

Neither one has much history and the all time series is tied. KU has 2 Orange bowls to Mizzou's 0.

I love how you just cherry pick random points.

ku had not made bowl games in back-to-back seasons until......this past year. That is pure, unadulterated mediocrity, no matter how many Orange Bowls ku has played in.

But since you brought it up, Mizzou has played in 4 Orange Bowls - won 1, and played in 2 Sugar Bowls - won 1.

We've also played in 26 bowl games, which is more than twice as many as kansas has played in.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I haven't checked yet but I'm assuming Sam Hall voted for Missouri based on the program's history.

[BWillie]

I love how you just cherry pick random points.

ku had not made bowl games in back-to-back seasons until......this past year. That is pure, unadulterated mediocrity, no matter how many Orange Bowls ku has played in.

But since you brought it up, Mizzou has played in 4 Orange Bowls - won 1, and played in 2 Sugar Bowls - won 1.

We've also played in 26 bowl games, which is more than twice as many as kansas has played in.

I find it funny when Missouri football fans try to make it out like they are so superior to KU, and they act smug as if they were a Ohio State or something. Look, there is really not much of a difference when it comes to KU football or MU football. Sure, one can see that over the years Missouri probably comes out a little bit ahead, and just a little. Bragging over that is pretty comical.

[eazyb81]

I find it funny when Missouri football fans try to make it out like they are so superior to KU, and they act smug as if they were a Ohio State or something. Look, there is really not much of a difference when it comes to KU football or MU football. Sure, one can see that over the years Missouri probably comes out a little bit ahead, and just a little. Bragging over that is pretty comical.

Who's acting like Ohio State? I haven't seen one Mizzou fan in this thread act like our program is ultra elite; all anyone is saying is that the program has more history than kansas, which it does.

Feel free to try to dispute it with facts, but also don't make up lies like skip did if you don't want to get called on it.

[RustShack]

The Cylones are gonna do it!

This!

[King_Chief_Fan]

I find it funny when Missouri football fans try to make it out like they are so superior to KU, and they act smug as if they were a Ohio State or something. Look, there is really not much of a difference when it comes to KU football or MU football. Sure, one can see that over the years Missouri probably comes out a little bit ahead, and just a little. Bragging over that is pretty comical.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
wow...with all the KU crap that gets posted here and the smugness that goes with that? Hi Pot, I'm Kettle.

Your post is stupid

[beer bacon]

I find it funny when Missouri football fans try to make it out like they are so superior to KU, and they act smug as if they were a Ohio State or something. Look, there is really not much of a difference when it comes to KU football or MU football. Sure, one can see that over the years Missouri probably comes out a little bit ahead, and just a little. Bragging over that is pretty comical.

Sorry but MU has a better football history than KU. One undeserved Orange Bowl you got because you didn't play well enough to go to the Big 12 Championship does not make KU's football program historically better than MU's.

[htismaqe]

This!

You spelled it wrong.

It's the Iowa State University Cyclowns.

Or Sucklones if you prefer.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
wow...with all the KU crap that gets posted here and the smugness that goes with that? Hi Pot, I'm Kettle.

Your post is stupid

Oh God, you should see the Beakubation in non-conflicting threads where no fans of other schools show up.
They've got the "idiot Homer ego-pump" elevated to it's own fucking science.

[Que Card QB]

This is KU's year. NU will be in contention and I think it will come down to the KU/NU game in Lawrence.

[Que Card QB]

Sorry but MU has a better football history than KU. One undeserved Orange Bowl you got because you didn't play well enough to go to the Big 12 Championship does not make KU's football program historically better than MU's.Two Orange Bowls. Neither school is very historical as far as College Football is concerned.

[FishingRod]

KU, MU and NU in alphabetical order and my order of preference. In reality it could and should be those 3 but they may end up arranged any which way. KU will probably have its best shot next year with MU having a drop off from the last two years but Nebraska may well be on its way back up. They were very much improved last year and still get better rated recruits than Either KU or MU. While I'm a KU fan we have to face facts that neither KU or MU should really be mentioned in the same breath as Nebraska from a historical sense. We are the Johnny come latelys but I have to admit that a rivalry is a lot more fun when both teams are at least pretty good instead of awful.

[duncan_idaho]

What's this I see? A Big 12 north thread with this many responses, and I've missed it all?

Time to weigh in and fix that.

Quick breakdown: kansas, based on returning the best QB in the division and having its four best offensive skill players back, has to be the preseason pick. Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado all have the potential to challenge for the North title. kSU and ISU? Try to survive the season.

LOOOOOOOOOOONG breakdown start here:

I'll start with the preseason favorite, ku.

The jayhawks skill play is going to be very good. Well, as long as Dez Briscoe is welcomed back into the fold. He and Meier are probably the top 1-2 punch in the league. Sharp is serviceable, though he's better as a pass receiver than a pure rusher. Stuckey is also probably the best safety in the league.

But the hawks have some chinks in the armor, too. The pass rush has remained a problem the past few years, and though Jake Laptad was an improvement from John Larson, he was hardly a stud pass rusher at DE. The JUCO transfer is going to have to make an instant impact for ku to see a big improvement at DE. There are also big questions on the OL - where one starting tackle from 08 is now playing center, the best left tackle is a 265-pound converted TE/DT, and the best right tackle is recovering from a pretty severe head injury (and possibly will miss the season). Add in that the Hawks lost three interior starters, and Reesing might spend a lot of time running for his life this season (something he's quite good at doing). The linebacking corps will also be all new, and the secondary regressed greatly in 08 with a Talib-level talent at CB. The Hawks also look dangerously thin at RB if Jacques Crawford isn't back.

ku's O should hum right along, as long as the OL holds up somewhat. The D wasn't great in 08 and will need Stuckey to continue his excellent level of play, have a pass rusher and a corner (Justin Thornton?) become a true star, and get strong performances from the new starting LB corps.

Nebraska is next.

The Huskers are getting a lot of hype. Let's start with that. Ndamuhkong Suh had a great second half for the Huskers, and along with Zach Potter and Ty Steinkuhler formed an excellent defensive front four that covered for severe deficiencies at LB and in the secondary. Roy Helu and Quentin Castille formed a nice running combo, though Castille didn't do a ton outside of the bowl game. The offensive line returns three starters and 7/10 from the two-deep.

But what seems to glossed over is how much the Huskers lost. Both starting WRs. Starting QB. Two three-year starters on the OL. Two of the three stud DL. Their best cover corner. Pretty significant losses. Let's look again at what's back...

Helu has the potential to make the offense go, but the question I keep coming back to is how Nebraska's running game will do when it doesn't have an experienced passing QB to allow it to throw to set up the run? Nebraska changed its offense to a more open, throwing attack at midseason, and suddenly, the running game blossomed. Will new starter Zac Lee be able to mirror Ganz's production? The offensive line is going to have to take a big step otherwise, and with a big group of upper classmen who have lots of playing experience, projecting a sudden spike in their play doesn't make a lot of sense.

The other questions is at WR: Menelik Holt was semi-productive last year. No other receivers contributed, really. Lot of production and experience to make up for there.

And now for my Tigers.

The lost stars obviously are the first thing you look at. Daniel, Coffman, Maclin, Hood and Moore were about as good a top five list a team could throw out coming into 2008. Moore disappointed, as did Daniel, but that's still a ton of ability, experience and production lost.

Not all is lost, though. The Tigers return an outstanding running back in Derrick Washington (and a budding backup in Devion moore), three very good starters on the OL (two of whom are second-year starters who took a big step in spring practice), two senior WRs with tons of experience and ability (Jared Perry), the best linebacker in the Big 12 (Sean Weatherspoon) and their best corner (Carl Gettis, who sophomore slumped in 08).

Key factors for the Tigers:
The new starters on the OL have looked good (Austin Wuebbels looks like an upgrade at LG, Dan Hoch about the same at RT), but will that translate to the field.

How well will Gabbert play as a first-year starter? If his play is around the level of Chase Daniel in 2006, the Tigers should be right in the thick of things - and Washington and Moore should have plenty of room to run.

What about the D? It was horrendous in 2008 and might benefit just from having new blood. The top three DE all had huge springs and could be poised to be better than Missouri's best 2008 end (stryker Sulak). But what about the second and third DTs? Not a ton of experience there. LB should be a strength.

- SUb question: The secondary was horrific in 2008 and lost three starters. Will it be better or worse? There will be a lot more competition, which is a positive. And there are a lot of players who weren't available in 2008 (redshirts Rob Steeples and Kip Edwards both needed to add strength; Munir Prince was a transfer from Notre Dame; jarrell Harrison and Jasper Simmons are juco transfers; redshirt safety Zaviar Gooden needed time to grasp the system). So there is reason for optimisim - but that's hardly a guarantee.

As for Colorado... they're a dark horse team. Should have a pretty good OL. Have two RBs with big potential. Lots of young guys on D. But no QB as of yet, which is why they're the dark horse.

[duncan_idaho]

And another side note:

If ku doesn't win the north this year, when is it EVER going to win it?

[KC_Connection]

Orange Bowl>>>No Orange Bowl

[duncan_idaho]

Orange Bowl>>>No Orange Bowl

Four Orange Bowls >>> three Orange Bowls.

Two Sugar Bowls >>> 0 Sugar Bowls

[Pants]

Who's acting like Ohio State? I haven't seen one Mizzou fan in this thread act like our program is ultra elite; all anyone is saying is that the program has more history than kansas, which it does.

Feel free to try to dispute it with facts, but also don't make up lies like skip did if you don't want to get called on it.

Umm, DCS?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Umm, DCS?

Um, up yours shithead. I've never implied that we were OSU, I've only implied that your school is not as great as you ego-inflated, beaker shitheads THINK it is.

And I stand by it 100%.

[Pants]

Snyder Power! Destroy that ****ing beak, and then let's get together for some real Football!

k

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

k

Wow, that was off the mark by miles.:thumb:

[Pitt Gorilla]

Oh God, you should see the Beakubation in non-conflicting threads where no fans of other schools show up.
They've got the "idiot Homer ego-pump" elevated to it's own ****ing science.This reminds me of Kotter posting in an MU game thread because an MU fan said that he had the MU fight song as his ringtone. Kotter had to let everyone know how inferior the MU fight song was to KU's. Seriously.

[Lzen]

Nebraska 5 National Championships

KU/MU a combined 0 National Championships

Nuff said

That's great but we are talking about this year. Not over a decade ago.

[Pitt Gorilla]

If Sheldon Richardson makes it to campus, MU's defense is very much improved over last year. MU's offense should be fine as well, with a strong line and sound running game.

KU is the team to beat, but MU should be there in the end.

[Titty Meat]

That's great but we are talking about this year. Not over a decade ago.

lol you think KU is equal to Nebraska in football? Like I said our kicker out ran your defense.

[Pitt Gorilla]

41-6
52-17

2001

[Lzen]

lol you think KU is equal to Nebraska in football? Like I said our kicker out ran your defense.

Well congratulations. And what happened to your team when they had to come to Lawrence the year before? Oh, that's right. Nebraska had never given up 76 points in their proud history. Like I said, this is about how the teams stack up today, not decades past. And I say that KU stacks up very well with NU.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Well congratulations. And what happened to your team when they had to come to Lawrence the year before? Oh, that's right. Nebraska had never given up 76 points in their proud history. Like I said, this is about how the teams stack up today, not decades past. And I say that KU stacks up very well with NU.I don't cheer for KU football, UNLESS they are playing NU.

(Ugh, now I need a shower.)

[Titty Meat]

Well congratulations. And what happened to your team when they had to come to Lawrence the year before? Oh, that's right. Nebraska had never given up 76 points in their proud history. Like I said, this is about how the teams stack up today, not decades past. And I say that KU stacks up very well with NU.


Last year was more releveant and Nebraska kicked KU's ass. KU has all new Linebackers and Suh owned your o-line. KU doesn't really stack up with Nebraska all the Linebackers graduated, Suh owned KU's O-line, Helu ran for 152 yards, Where does KU stack up with Nebraska? Besides a better QB and a WR.

[DaKCMan AP]

Does the Big XII Champ get the opportunity to lose the National Championship to Florida again or is it the PAC-10's turn?

[duncan_idaho]

If Sheldon Richardson makes it to campus, MU's defense is very much improved over last year. MU's offense should be fine as well, with a strong line and sound running game.

KU is the team to beat, but MU should be there in the end.

If Sheldon Richardson gets qualified and on campus, he will challenge for PT SOMEWHERE on the defensive line as a freshman. Sure would like to add him to the rotation at DT and see what happens.

With his physical abilities, he COULD be as good as a true freshman as Tommie Harris. Not saying he will, but that is his ceiling.

Would be pretty nice to pair that with the upgrade at DE, which many are calling the strongest position on the team...

[duncan_idaho]

Last year was more releveant and Nebraska kicked KU's ass. KU has all new Linebackers and Suh owned your o-line. KU doesn't really stack up with Nebraska all the Linebackers graduated, Suh owned KU's O-line, Helu ran for 152 yards, Where does KU stack up with Nebraska? Besides a better QB and a WR.

What are you, 12?

Suh owned a beat-up and depleted ku OL. And the two guys who helped him do it - Potter and Steinkuhler - are gone.

Barry Turner and Pierre Allen don't scare ANYONE.

ku is better at QB (by far), WR (by far) and DB.

[KC_Connection]

Four Orange Bowls >>> three Orange Bowls.

Two Sugar Bowls >>> 0 Sugar Bowls

Reesing > Chase "Choker" Daniels

[Saulbadguy]

Neither one has much history and the all time series is tied. KU has 2 Orange bowls to Mizzou's 0.

ROFL

[duncan_idaho]

Reesing > Chase "Choker" Daniels

Yes, the 1-1 head-to-head matchup really makes it clear that Reesing is better than Daniel. :rolleyes:

Reesing's 2007 game and Daniel's 2008 are identical, for all intents and purposes.

Daniel's 2007 game, however, was FAR superior to Reesing's effort in 2008.

[Lzen]

What are you, 12?

Suh owned a beat-up and depleted ku OL. And the two guys who helped him do it - Potter and Steinkuhler - are gone.

Barry Turner and Pierre Allen don't scare ANYONE.

ku is better at QB (by far), WR (by far) and DB.

:eek: Holy cow! I never thought I would see the day a MU fan was sticking up for a KU fan. Thanks, dude. :thumb:

And yes, I do believe this guy must be about 12 years old. I can't wait until KU plays Nebraska this year. :evil:

[Lzen]

Yes, the 1-1 head-to-head matchup really makes it clear that Reesing is better than Daniel. :rolleyes:

Reesing's 2007 game and Daniel's 2008 are identical, for all intents and purposes.

Daniel's 2007 game, however, was FAR superior to Reesing's effort in 2008.

If MU fans are honest with themselves, they would realize that the 1 game does not make a season just like you said. But that also applies to KU's lone loss in 2007. One bad game against MU did not mean that KU was not a really good team that year.

[KC_Connection]

Yes, the 1-1 head-to-head matchup really makes it clear that Reesing is better than Daniel. :rolleyes:

Reesing's 2007 game and Daniel's 2008 are identical, for all intents and purposes.

Daniel's 2007 game, however, was FAR superior to Reesing's effort in 2008.

Orange Bowl>Cotton Bowl

[KC_Connection]

KU with 54 votes > MU with 40 votes

Where don't we come out ahead?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

KU with 54 votes > MU with 40 votes

Where don't we come out and give tranny's head?

:shrug:

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Orange Bowl>Cotton Bowl

And much like a poorly-trained bird, it just squawks the same tired shit over and over and over and over and over and....

[KC_Connection]

And much like a poorly-trained bird, it just squawks the same tired shit over and over and over and over and over and....
says the king of useless graphics and lame jokes.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Squawk-squawk-squawk-squawk!!!!

Wow! It speaks!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

says the king of useless graphics and lame jokes.

Yes, you MAY have another!

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv252/raisedonriots/BEAKERWORM.png

[duncan_idaho]

Orange Bowl>Cotton Bowl

26 bowl appearances > 12.

Missouri has won as many bowl games as ku has appeared in.

The fact that you've stopped arguing historical stuff and made it based on one season should indicate to you that, perhaps, you have lost.

[duncan_idaho]

:eek: Holy cow! I never thought I would see the day a MU fan was sticking up for a KU fan. Thanks, dude. :thumb:

And yes, I do believe this guy must be about 12 years old. I can't wait until KU plays Nebraska this year. :evil:

I may hate ku - and don't get me wrong, my hatred for your school's athletic teams rivals the fiery intensity of a thousand suns - but nothing is more annoying than idiotically homeristic Nebraska fans.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I may hate ku - and don't get me wrong, my hatred for your school's athletic teams rivals the fiery intensity of a thousand suns - but nothing is more annoying than idiotically homeristic Nebraska fans.Agreed.

[KC_Connection]

26 bowl appearances > 12.

Missouri has won as many bowl games as ku has appeared in.

The fact that you've stopped arguing historical stuff and made it based on one season should indicate to you that, perhaps, you have lost.

42-21 victory over Minnesota > 30-23 OT victory over Northwestern

[Pitt Gorilla]

42-21 victory over Minnesota > 30-23 OT victory over NorthwesternHow in the world did you come to that conclusion? I get that you struggle, but this is off-the-charts stupid.

[Spott]

How in the world did you come to that conclusion? I get that you struggle, but this is off-the-charts stupid.

Dude, he's just looking for attention. He doesn't have any way to actually get attention other than being an annoying little kid.

[duncan_idaho]

42-21 victory over Minnesota > 30-23 OT victory over Northwestern

Please continue embarassing yourself.

YEs, Mighty Minnesota was better than Northwestern. Minnesoita, which lost to Northwestern at home, which lost its final five games of the season, including a 55-0 drubbing from Iowa in the game before it played ku.

Clearly a better opponent than Northwestern. Are you sure you're not a Nebraska fan?

[KC_Connection]

Please continue embarassing yourself.

YEs, Mighty Minnesota was better than Northwestern. Minnesoita, which lost to Northwestern at home, which lost its final five games of the season, including a 55-0 drubbing from Iowa in the game before it played ku.

Clearly a better opponent than Northwestern. Are you sure you're not a Nebraska fan?

ORANGE BOWL

[KC_Connection]

http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0103/ncf_a_mangino_sq_300.jpg

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

SQUAWK! SQUAWK!

Polly wannna' cracker?

[duncan_idaho]

ORANGE BOWL

You seem to think that continuously repeating that will upset me.

You're mistaken. But keep throwing shit against the wall. If you throw enough, eventually something has to stick, right?

The context of the conversation was historical status of the program, in case you've forgotten. Come back when you have something to add to that.

[KC_Connection]

You seem to think that continuously repeating that will upset me.

You're mistaken. But keep throwing shit against the wall. If you throw enough, eventually something has to stick, right?

The context of the conversation was historical status of the program, in case you've forgotten. Come back when you have something to add to that.
I've never claimed that KU had a better football history than MU before. It would be a battle that I could never win.

What I can claim is that MU's advantage in this area is so insignificant that to bring it up is quite pointless. Both schools have average programs, and neither of them are real powers/big game winners.

But one thing is for sure, one school does have an Orange Bowl this decade.

http://www.derrich.com/img/mangino-v-obie.jpg

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I've never claimed that KU had a better football history than MU before. It would be a battle that I could never win.

What I can claim is that MU's advantage in this area is so insignificant that to bring it up is quite pointless. Both schools have average programs, and neither of them are real powers/big game winners.

But one thing is for sure, one school does have an Orange Bowl this decade.

http://www.derrich.com/img/mangino-v-obie.jpg

Which one's the mascot?

[duncan_idaho]

I've never claimed that KU had a better football history than MU before. It would be a battle that I could never win.

What I can claim is that MU's advantage in this area is so insignificant that to bring it up is quite pointless. Both schools have average programs, and neither of them are real powers/big game winners.

But one thing is for sure, one school does have an Orange Bowl this decade.



Um, then why did you try the (inaccurate) two Orange Bowls >>> 0 Orange Bowls smack? As that has a historical context...

[KC_Connection]

Um, then why did you try the (inaccurate) two Orange Bowls >>> 0 Orange Bowls smack? As that has a historical context...

Probably because I didn't.

[eazyb81]

Which one's the mascot?

ROFL

Okay, that was one good.

[Tiger's Fan]

Which one's the mascot?

Pinkel isn't half the coach Mangino is, in size or ability.

[ChiefsRoyalsMizzou]

Mangina isn't half the coach Pinkel is.

fixed it for u

[htismaqe]

Please continue embarassing yourself.

YEs, Mighty Minnesota was better than Northwestern. Minnesoita, which lost to Northwestern at home, which lost its final five games of the season, including a 55-0 drubbing from Iowa in the game before it played ku.

Clearly a better opponent than Northwestern. Are you sure you're not a Nebraska fan?

Northwestern was far and away a better team than Minnesota. That's a fact.

[Saulbadguy]

42-21 victory over Minnesota > 30-23 OT victory over Northwestern

Good god. You reek of the whole "2007" thing.

[KC_Connection]

Good god. You reek of the whole "2007" thing.

Orange Bowl?

[Dave Lane]

Truth. The North has about .00001% chance of beating the OU Bradford's or the UT McCoy's.

QBs are unimportant. Its who has the best ILB in the 3-4 that will win :)

[Cannibal]

I chose my Jayhawks, but Mizzou should be good too.

Nebraska could surprise them both though; if not this year, next year Nebraska will be back....

He even rides the fence when talking football. Why am I not surprised?:D

[Tiger's Fan]

fixed it for u

STFU n00b!

heh

[CoMoChief]

I'm actually gonna go out on a limb here and say NEB has a good chance in winning it.

[Skip Towne]

It looks like I was wrong about Mizzou not going to the Orange Bowl. Another poster said they have 4 OB appearances. I could only find three. The most recent was 39 years ago then 49 years ago and then 69 years ago. They lost all three while only scoring a total of 10 points. No wonder this isn't talked about much.

[KC_Connection]

It looks like I was wrong about Mizzou not going to the Orange Bowl. Another poster said they have 4 OB appearances. I could only find three. The most recent was 39 years ago then 49 years ago and then 69 years ago. They lost all three while only scoring a total of 10 points. No wonder this isn't talked about much.
But they have history!!

[buddha]

How the mighty have fallen. Colorado has the same number of votes as Iowa State.

CU = Rock Bottom.

I hope Hawkins has enjoyed his time in Boulder and killing the CU program by insisting on playing his horrific son at QB.

[Sure-Oz]

Todd Reesing to the 'ship!

[Saulbadguy]

It looks like I was wrong about Mizzou not going to the Orange Bowl. Another poster said they have 4 OB appearances. I could only find three. The most recent was 39 years ago then 49 years ago and then 69 years ago. They lost all three while only scoring a total of 10 points. No wonder this isn't talked about much.


They won the 1960 Orange Bowl.

[Skip Towne]

They won the 1960 Orange Bowl.

That source of mine wasn't very good. I just looked again and it says Mizzou lost to Georgia 14-0. :shrug:

[Saulbadguy]

That source of mine wasn't very good. I just looked again and it says Mizzou lost to Georgia 14-0. :shrug:

Well, technically the OB was in 1960, but it was the 59 season. The 60 season, or 61 OB, Mizzou won 21-14 vs Navy. Apparently.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Well, technically the OB was in 1960, but it was the 59 season. The 60 season, or 61 OB, Mizzou won 21-14 vs Navy. Apparently.

There are still cave drawings that depict the win.

[Bambi]

Sorry, can't see how you can pick against KU this year in football.

I mean seriously, the school has spent the last 100 years winning basketball titles. Give them a break, they're just starting to try out this college football thing.

[Spott]

Yeah, they've only been trying that college FB thing for 117 years or so.

[Imon Yourside]

Kansas Jayhawks..... yup.

[Frazod]

They won the 1960 Orange Bowl.

Ah, the good ole' days, when getting selected to play in the Orange Bowl actually fucking meant something.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Ah, the good ole' days, when getting selected to play in the Orange Bowl actually fucking meant something.

ROFL The Zod Strikes Back!

[Mizzou_8541]

KU should be better than last year even. Missouri is going to be down I think a little bit. I would expect Nebraska and KU to duke it out for 1st in the North. Gonna be hard to beat the experience KU has coming back in Reesing and that receiving corps.

Nubs have no chance. It will be between KU and MU...my prediction is unfortunately KU.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Nubs have no chance. It will be between KU and MU...my prediction is unfortunately KU.

I want to see what we're fielding before I go making any predictions of the non-Homer variety.

Oh, and fuck KU.