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ModSocks
04-21-2009, 02:33 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090421/ap_on_sc/eu_britain_new_planet

By JENNIFER QUINN, Associated Press Writer Jennifer Quinn, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 42 mins ago

HATFIELD, England – In the search for Earth-like planets, astronomers zeroed in Tuesday on two places that look awfully familiar to home. One is close to the right size. The other is in the right place.

European researchers said they not only found the smallest exoplanet ever, called Gliese 581 e, but realized that a neighboring planet discovered earlier, Gliese 581 d, was in the prime habitable zone for potential life.

"The Holy Grail of current exoplanet research is the detection of a rocky, Earth-like planet in the 'habitable zone,'" said Michel Mayor, an astrophysicist at Geneva University in Switzerland.

An American expert called the discovery of the tiny planet "extraordinary."

Gliese 581 e is only 1.9 times the size of Earth — while previous planets found outside our solar system are closer to the size of massive Jupiter, which NASA says could swallow more than 1,000 Earths.

Gliese 581 e sits close to the nearest star, making it too hot to support life. Still, Mayor said its discovery in a solar system 20 1/2 light years away from Earth is a "good example that we are progressing in the detection of Earth-like planets."

Scientists also discovered that the orbit of planet Gliese 581 d, which was found in 2007, was located within the "habitable zone" — a region around a sun-like star that would allow water to be liquid on the planet's surface, Mayor said.

He spoke at a news conference Tuesday at the University of Hertfordshire during the European Week of Astronomy and Space Science.

Gliese 581 d is probably too large to be made only of rocky material, fellow astronomer and team member Stephane Udry said, adding it was possible the planet had a "large and deep" ocean.

"It is the first serious 'water-world' candidate," Udry said.

Mayor's main planet-hunting competitor, Geoff Marcy of the University of California, Berkeley, praised the find of Gliese 581 e as "the most exciting discovery" so far of exoplanets — planets outside our solar system.

"This discovery is absolutely extraordinary," Marcy told The Associated Press by e-mail, calling the discoveries a significant step in the search for Earth-like planets.

While Gliese 581 e is too hot for life "it shows that nature makes such small planets, probably in large numbers," Marcy commented. "Surely the galaxy contains tens of billions of planets like the small, Earth-mass one announced here."

Nearly 350 planets have been found outside our solar system, but so far nearly every one of them was found to be extremely unlikely to harbor life.

Most were too close or too far from their sun, making them too hot or too cold for life. Others were too big and likely to be uninhabitable gas giants like Jupiter. Those that are too small are highly difficult to detect in the first place.

Both Gliese 581 d and Gliese 581 e are located in constellation Libra and orbit around Gliese 581.

Like other planets circling that star — scientists have discovered four so far — Gliese 581 e was found using the European Southern Observatory's telescope in La Silla, Chile.

The telescope has a special instrument which splits light to find wobbles in different wavelengths. Those wobbles can reveal the existence of other worlds.

"It is great work and shows the potential of this detection method," said Lisa Kaltenegger, an astronomer at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.

Blindside58
04-21-2009, 02:42 PM
Gliese 581 e is only 1.9 times the size of Earth - I wonder how that translates. Is that the size of Texas, Australia, Africa....?

Pitt Gorilla
04-21-2009, 02:44 PM
Gliese 581 e is only 1.9 times the size of Earth - I wonder how that translates. Is that the size of Texas, Australia, Africa....?~2 earths.

Blindside58
04-21-2009, 02:47 PM
~2 earths.

JFC! I read it wrong!

Alton deFlat
04-21-2009, 02:53 PM
I wonder if the inhabitants call themselves Gliese 581 elings and when are they going to publish their mock draft?

Pitt Gorilla
04-21-2009, 02:54 PM
I wonder if the inhabitants call themselves Gliese 581 elings and when are they going to publish their mock draft?They already did. Raji at 3! :grr:

Alton deFlat
04-21-2009, 02:56 PM
They already did. Raji at 3! :grr:

Well, before anyone else has a chance........... print 'em!

Crush
04-21-2009, 02:59 PM
To the ship!

Baby Lee
04-21-2009, 03:06 PM
~2 earths.

The earth is 7926.55 miles in diameter. Since you're comparing areas/masses, you would multiply this by the sqrt of 1.9, so it's about 10925.8 miles in diameter, or 34323.55 miles aound the equator, compared to 24901.55 miles for earth.

Pitt Gorilla
04-21-2009, 03:30 PM
The earth is 7926.55 miles in diameter. Since you're comparing areas/masses, you would multiply this by the sqrt of 1.9, so it's about 10925.8 miles in diameter, or 34323.55 miles aound the equator, compared to 24901.55 miles for earth.I have no idea if it is a linear factor or a volume factor. I would guess that the 1.9 is probably a linear scale factor for the diameter, so that would make it roughly 7-8 times (1.9XX-2 cubed) the size of earth in terms of mass. Squares/square roots would only make sense if we were looking at area factors.

beach tribe
04-21-2009, 03:37 PM
I'll bet there are millions of such planets.

DaneMcCloud
04-21-2009, 03:40 PM
The earth is 7926.55 miles in diameter. Since you're comparing areas/masses, you would multiply this by the sqrt of 1.9, so it's about 10925.8 miles in diameter, or 34323.55 miles aound the equator, compared to 24901.55 miles for earth.

I hate 34 hour days.

Rain Man
04-21-2009, 03:40 PM
Maybe it's 1.9 times the surface area of the earth. If it's 4*pi*r^2, then that would mean the new planet is about 11,000 miles in diameter.

Zebedee DuBois
04-21-2009, 03:42 PM
I'll bet there are millions of such planets.

billions and billions

stevieray
04-21-2009, 03:49 PM
If you're goimg to travel for over twenty years, at least it's at 186,000 miles per second

mikey23545
04-21-2009, 03:50 PM
To the mothership!

FYP.

Zebedee DuBois
04-21-2009, 03:52 PM
Everything we see is coming at us at the speed of light....and we would be traveling towards it at the speed of light...so it would appear to be coming at us at twice the speed of light......

I forgot where I was going with this.

Groves
04-21-2009, 03:56 PM
Maybe this disproves there's a God?

Direckshun
04-21-2009, 04:05 PM
Maybe this disproves there's a God?

I think that's the path this thread needs to go.

Rain Man
04-21-2009, 04:22 PM
Everything we see is coming at us at the speed of light....and we would be traveling towards it at the speed of light...so it would appear to be coming at us at twice the speed of light......

I forgot where I was going with this.

Maybe with relativity the new planet is only the size of a quarter but it just looks really big to us.

Ecto-I
04-21-2009, 04:38 PM
Maybe with relativity the new planet is only the size of a quarter but it just looks really big to us.

Maybe the planet blew up 19 years ago, but we just haven't seen it yet?

Dave Lane
04-21-2009, 04:44 PM
I'll bet there are millions of TRILLIONS of such planets.

FYP

Groves
04-21-2009, 04:49 PM
beachfront property!!

KCrockaholic
04-21-2009, 10:27 PM
Makes me wonder on planets with life like ours if they have football and if so how evolved are they with the sport? Face it, one day, we will see hulked up 6'8 290 pound runningbacks with the speed of Gale Sayers crushing the NFL. Of course, that likely wont be in our lifetime.

DenverChief
04-21-2009, 11:57 PM
So if the United States finds a new habitable planet what would we call it and would it be ours exclusively or would China have a claim on it even though they had nothing with the discovery/population of planet? Kinda like the panama canal ...

KCrockaholic
04-22-2009, 12:17 AM
So if the United States finds a new habitable planet what would we call it and would it be ours exclusively or would China have a claim on it even though they had nothing with the discovery/population of planet? Kinda like the panama canal ...

If they found one its probably already being lived on like ours...I wouldnt want to start a war with another earth, and try to do something ignorant and claim it.

Swazey
04-22-2009, 12:36 AM
I think that's the path this thread needs to go.

Goddamn... I hope so....

BWillie
04-22-2009, 12:48 AM
Do they have oil?

Ultra Peanut
04-22-2009, 12:55 AM
The ability to find planets that are this small and close to a star is a really recent advancement, and this is further proof that astronomy is the coolest science by far.

So if the United States finds a new habitable planet what would we call it and would it be ours exclusively or would China have a claim on it even though they had nothing with the discovery/population of planet? Kinda like the panama canal ...Seeing as no one who's alive now or in the next few millennia are ever going to be able to get there, I don't think anyone's in a rush to claim it.

Miles
04-22-2009, 02:11 AM
http://latinrelease.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/solaris_1972_dvd.jpg

DenverChief
04-22-2009, 07:18 AM
If they found one its probably already being lived on like ours...I wouldnt want to start a war with another earth, and try to do something ignorant and claim it.

that would really boost the economy tho...

Baby Lee
04-22-2009, 07:24 AM
I hate 34 hour days.

There's no reason to assume that this planet has the same angular momentum as Earth. ;)

Duck Dog
04-22-2009, 07:26 AM
Maybe this disproves there's a God?

What if the other planet found that had life forms exactly like ours and also believed in the same religions?

Would that prove his existence?

Ultra Peanut
04-22-2009, 07:33 AM
What if the other planet found that had life forms exactly like ours and also believed in the same religions?

Would that prove his existence?No, that would prove that we were looking all the way across the universe and seeing... EARF DEUCE.

Ultra Peanut
04-22-2009, 07:33 AM
Or maybe... WE'RE EARF DEUCE!

blaise
04-22-2009, 07:52 AM
McDonalds is trying to figure out how soon they can open a store there.

DenverChief
04-22-2009, 07:59 AM
Starbucks is trying to figure out how soon they can open a store there.

FYP

blaise
04-22-2009, 08:05 AM
FYP

It's funny, I almost said Starbucks instead.

jiveturkey
04-22-2009, 08:27 AM
What if we're the advanced species? How boring would that be? We show up to a distant planet in a 70's space shuttle armed with a 9mm.

TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER!!!