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htismaqe
04-22-2009, 10:46 AM
Don't care if this is a repost, I'm short on time.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-04-21-backdraft_N.htm

Second chances are rare in sports. But in USA TODAY's annual NFL Backdraft, we can take a revisionist look at what should have happened in last year's selection meeting.

The rules: Re-draft the 2008 first round as it happened. Consider each team's needs and strengths during last season, but don't apply their current needs to last year's pick.

The results don't change much at the very top, where the Dolphins march on to their 2008 AFC East title with Pro Bowl left tackle Jake Long and the Falcons return to the playoffs with the surprise leadership of young QB Matt Ryan.

But other faces would be changing places in the Backdraft world. Joe Flacco's success leading the Ravens to the playoffs would draw admirers from the other QB-hungry teams and likely wouldn't keep him in Baltimore. Chris Long would return the Raiders roots his Hall of Fame father set down. And dynamic CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, who started for the Cardinals in the Super Bowl, would leap up 10 spots and land with the Jets.

ACTUAL DRAFT RESULTS: 2008 first round

Like last year's draft, the Backdraft is dominated by offensive tackles. Seven of them found homes, including three in the first five picks.
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Now, on to the picks:

1. Dolphins—T Jake Long (Michigan): Can't change what went right in Miami. Long earned a Pro Bowl selection after starting all 16 games at left tackle in front of QB Chad Pennington and helped the Dolphins turn from 1-15 in 2007 into 11-5 division champions in 2008. Actual pick: Long

2. Rams—T Branden Albert (Virginia): Yes, he's a reach. Ryan Clady might be a better pure left tackle, but with Orlando Pace and Alex Barron in place last year, Albert brings more value because of the versatility that allows him to slide over and play guard. Albert is also a better run-blocker than Clady, which benefits the Rams' best player, Steven Jackson. And Albert's versatility — he thrived at left tackle in Kansas City last year — also affords him a chance to become the successor to the since-departed Orlando Pace. Actual pick: DE Chris Long

3. Falcons—QB Matt Ryan (Boston College): Ryan became the new face of the Falcons after starting all 16 games, throwing for 3,440 yards and 16 TD passes and winning Offensive Rookie of the Year honors while leading the team to a playoff spot. They won't need a mulligan. Actual pick: Ryan

4. Raiders—DE Chris Long (Virginia): Long had a solid first season for the Rams with four sacks. But Raiders owner Al Davis likely wouldn't pass on the chance to continue the Hall-of-Fame legacy Long's father, Howie, a fellow defensive end, built in Oakland. Actual pick: RB Darren McFadden

5. Chiefs — T Ryan Clady (Boise State): The Chiefs slid Albert in at left tackle as a rookie and he thrived. Clady's a natural left tackle who performed superbly while protecting QB Jay Cutler in Denver in 2008. Though the Chiefs clearly needed a quarterback last season, it's too early to consider drafting Joe Flacco. Actual pick: DT Glenn Dorsey

6. Jets — CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (Tennessee State): He played really well down the stretch for the Cardinals, with four INTs and 12 passes defensed over the final 12 games. Rodgers-Cromartie would start opposite Pro Bowler Darrelle Revis to give the Jets a stout pass defense in the pass-happy AFC East. New York's pass defense struggled in 2008 thanks to a revolving door of players opposite Revis. Actual pick: LB/DE Vernon Gholston

7. Saints — DT Sedrick Ellis (Southern California): Ellis helped solidify the New Orleans defensive line. He still has room to improve, but the potential at a premium position outweighs the potential a running back such as Matt Forte would bring to spell Reggie Bush, Deuce McAllister and Pierre Thomas, who collectively combined to run the ball amid a slew of injuries. Actual pick: Ellis

8. Jaguars — DT Glenn Dorsey (LSU): The Jaguars never filled the void created when Marcus Stroud was dealt to Buffalo after the 2007 season. Dorsey, although underwhelming in his rookie campaign with the Chiefs, would help clog the middle while teaming with stalwart DT John Henderson. Actual pick: DE Derrick Harvey

9. Bengals — RB Darren McFadden (Arkansas): Although Cedric Benson had a surprisingly pleasant season as a free-agent pickup, McFadden offers brighter long-term potential in Cincinnati. His skills as both a ball-carrier and a receiver portend a good relationship, eventually, with QB Carson Palmer and a more dynamic offensive approach. Actual pick: LB Keith Rivers

10. Patriots — LB Jerod Mayo (Tennessee): Mayo won the Defensive Rookie of the Year after making 128 tackles and carving a niche at inside linebacker in the Patriots' 3-4 scheme. He proved that New England didn't reach when it chose him in this spot and he seems ticketed to take over for Tedy Bruschi as the defense's leader. Actual pick: Mayo

11. Bills — CB Leodis McKelvin (Troy): McKelvin started slow at corner but grew into the role for the Bills and eventually made two picks, one for a touchdown. He also displaced fellow corner Terrence McGee as the kick returner, and gives the Bills a long-term replacement to CB Nate Clements, who left after the 2007 season. And good cornerbacks will be important in the AFC East as long as Tom Brady is lighting up scoreboards. Actual pick: McKelvin

12. Broncos — WR Eddie Royal (Virginia Tech): The Broncos can't wait until the second round this time to nab Royal, who caught 91 passes for 980 yards and had five touchdowns. They'll have to address left tackle later. Actual pick: T Ryan Clady

13. Panthers — RB Jonathan Stewart (Oregon): Stewart was an integral part of the Panthers' NFC South title, as he and DeAngelo Williams teamed for 2,351 rushing yards. Carolina couldn't make a better pick and might enjoy even better returns in 2009 if Stewart's health returns to 100% after he battled several maladies after leaving Oregon. Actual pick: Stewart

14. Bears — RB Matt Forte (Tulane): Forte powered the Bears offense with 1,238 rushing yards, 477 receiving yards and 12 touchdowns, a performance that displaced Gale Sayers from the team's record book in terms of production from a rookie back. And they got him in the second round. They won't wait for him this time. Actual pick: T Chris Williams

15. Chiefs — T Sam Baker (Southern California): As bad as the 2-14 Chiefs were last season, they would have been worse without a stabilizing left tackle. With Branden Albert off the board, they'd turn to Baker, whom the Falcons trusted with protecting Ryan despite suffering through injuries. Actual pick: T Branden Albert

16. Cardinals — RB Steve Slaton (West Virginia): If Slaton (1,282 rushing yards, nine TDs) had replaced Edgerrin James mid-season instead of Tim Hightower, James might never have gotten the job back … and the Super Bowl might have turned out differently. Regardless, Slaton would make the Cardinals' explosive offense even stronger in the long run. Actual pick: CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie

17. Lions – QB Joe Flacco (Delaware): Hindsight is often better than 20-20 – ours is sometimes 20-10 – and many observers thought Flacco was drafted too early by Baltimore last season. But given what they know now – and the obvious need under center they have now – we think the Lions might seriously re-consider Flacco as their franchise quarterback. He'd probably be asked to win more games and make more plays in Detroit, but he and WR Calvin Johnson might have been able to cause enough damage to win at least two games, right? Actual pick: T Gosder Cherilus

18. Ravens – QB Chad Henne (Michigan): After the retirement of QB Steve McNair and Kyle Boller's failed tenure in Baltimore, the Ravens knew they needed a quarterback of the future last season and got their guy in Flacco. He's off our Backdraft board given his 2008 success – kudos to Baltimore's scouting department – but that doesn't diminish the team's need for a new field general. The rifle-armed Henne, who might have started in Miami if not for the subsequent signing of Chad Pennington, gets a shot to manage games and let the Ravens defense shine. Actual pick: QB Joe Flacco

19. Panthers – T Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh): After securing the services of Stewart, the Panthers mortgaged their future and moved back into the first round to enlist the mammoth Otah. A classic road grader type on the right side, Otah helped unleash the dual talents of RBs DeAngelo Williams and Stewart as the Panthers ground their way to the NFC South crown. Otah and LT Jordan Gross should form a fine bookend combination for years in Charlotte. Actual pick: Otah

20. Buccaneers – WR DeSean Jackson (California): WR Antonio Bryant was a pleasant surprise in Tampa Bay in 2008, and Jackson would have provided a perfect complement … and perhaps saved the Bucs from throwing $26 million at disappointing WR Michael Clayton this offseason. Jackson managed 912 receiving yards as a rookie with the Eagles and possesses the ability to go the distance any time he touches the ball – luckily for the Bucs, that also includes Jackson's gifts as a punt returner, long a weakness for the franchise. Actual pick: CB Aqib Talib

21. Falcons – T Duane Brown (Virginia Tech): Atlanta made sure it got an NFL-ready left tackle to look after Matt Ryan after it traded back into the first round to grab Sam Baker a year ago. That plan worked out rather well, so there's no reason to mess with a successful formula (even if we messed with it a little by sending Baker to Kansas City). Brown stepped into the left tackle void for the Texans and gave a good account of himself as a rookie. Actual pick: T Sam Baker

22. Cowboys – LB Curtis Lofton (Oklahoma): Jerry Jones took fellow Razorback Felix Jones with this pick, and it worked out pretty nicely … until Felix hurt himself and was lost midway through the season. But what might have really helped the Cowboys down the stretch as they were hemorrhaging points and losing games is a stout inside linebacker who can lasso opposing ball carriers. Lofton trailed only Mayo among rookie tacklers and would have provided a longer-term solution than LB Zach Thomas did. Actual pick: RB Felix Jones

23. Steelers – DE Phillip Merling (Clemson): Given the way things worked out, it's hard to argue with anything the Steelers did in 2008, from letting all-pro G Alan Faneca go to failing to draft a replacement for him to drafting RB Rashard Mendenhall, who's full of potential but gave Pittsburgh very little production after an early season-ending shoulder injury. But going into 2009, the Steelers definitely need to get younger on their defensive line, and Merling is a good fit for their three-man front and a guy who could spell and ultimately replace DEs Aaron Smith and/or Brett Keisel. Actual pick: RB Rashard Mendenhall

24. Titans – RB Chris Johnson (East Carolina): Tennessee was widely panned for taking the relatively unknown – but clearly speedy – Johnson with its first selection last year rather than addressing its seeming perpetual need for a wideout. But, as happens more often than not, the Titans were on the mark with their pick, and Johnson blazed his way to 1,228 rushing yards as the Titans blazed their way to the NFL's best regular-season record. Actual pick: Johnson

25. Cowboys – CB Antoine Cason (Arizona): Given the injuries to Terence Newman, the holes in the since-departed Anthony Henry's game and the concerns that swirled around Adam "Pacman" Jones, Dallas was wise to grab a cornerback with its second pick of the first round. But the Cowboys took Mike Jenkins, who didn't really distinguish himself in 2008. So we're assigning them Cason, who thrived with a San Diego defense that is very similar schematically to Dallas'. Cason is also a high-character guy, a nice change of pace to Pacman. Actual pick: CB Mike Jenkins

26. Texans – DE Vernon Gholston (Ohio State): Gholston was viewed as an elite prospect prior to the 2008 draft, but he made barely a whimper with the Jets, who drafted him sixth overall. Given his vast potential, we're keeping Gholston in the first round even if his rookie production doesn't warrant it. But rather than casting him as an outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense – perhaps a case of the Jets misdiagnosing his skills – we're sending Gholston to Houston, where he can line up as a 4-3 defensive end (opposite stud DE Mario Williams by the way) and hunt opposing quarterbacks as he did so well at Ohio State. Actual pick: T Duane Brown

27. Chargers – RB Rashard Mendenhall (Illinois): If they could do it over, we're left to wonder if the Chargers would slap the franchise tag on RB Michael Turner, LaDainian Tomlinson's former backup, after the 2007 season rather than lose him to the Falcons in free agency. The Chargers did exactly that this offseason to RB Darren Sproles, a player who's not built to carry the load like Turner. Given Tomlinson's cap number, recent rash of injures and age, having a do-it-all back in place for the present and future seems like a pretty good idea. And we like Mendenhall's game a bit better than Kevin Smith, who had a more productive rookie season in Detroit. Actual pick: CB Antoine Cason

28. Seahawks – T Chris Williams (Vanderbilt): Williams didn't distinguish himself as the Bears' left tackle of the future after struggling through most of the season with a back injury. So he probably would have fit right in with the Seahawks, who had a half-dozen offensive linemen land on injured reserve in 2008. But whether or not Williams would have played in the Emerald City in 2008, what's clear is that the Seahawks need a new left tackle in place with Walter Jones, almost certainly a future Hall of Famer, in decline. Actual pick: DE Lawrence Jackson

29. 49ers – DE Derrick Harvey (Florida): With 3.5 sacks, Harvey didn't live up to advance billing in Jacksonville last season – and he had plenty to live up to after the Jags traded up to take him with the eighth pick and then he held out of training camp. In San Francisco the expectations won't be so high and where, hopefully, Harvey wouldn't hold out. Given the Niners' need for an improved pass rush, here's hoping Harvey could work his way into their 3-4 rotation and work his Gator magic off the edge. Actual pick: DT Kentwan Balmer

30. Jets – TE Dustin Keller (Purdue): To the skepticism of some, the Jets maneuvered back into Round 1 of the 2008 draft to grab Keller, a tight end much more renowned for his hands than his blocking. But he proved to be a favored weapon of QB Brett Favre, catching 48 balls for 535 yards, and panned out much better for the Jets than Gholston did. Actual pick: Keller

31. Patriots— No selection; stripped by commissioner Roger Goodell.

32. Giants – S Kenny Phillips (Miami, Fla.): Phillips only started three games in 2008, but he did contribute 67 tackles and looks set as a starter in the New York secondary for many years to come. The Giants also couldn't have gone wrong at this spot in the backdraft with UCLA's Chris Horton, the safety who eventually went to Washington in the seventh round and provided the best bang for the buck of any player in the 2008 draft. Actual pick: Phillips

The Franchise
04-22-2009, 10:49 AM
Ummmm....WTF? Clady AND Baker? Are they retarded?

melbar
04-22-2009, 10:58 AM
Thats what I thought. Did they forget what they just had us pick?

Reaper16
04-22-2009, 10:59 AM
My skin is going to explode.

Gravedigger
04-22-2009, 10:59 AM
Backdraft back to the part where it doesn't matter who we draft we still had Herm and Carl around making the decisions. And even with extra protection around Brodie Croyle there would've been a leaf that found its way into the stadium via the wind and landed on Croyle's ankle and shattered his spine. Thankfully it played out like it did, for Mr. Croyle's spine.

htismaqe
04-22-2009, 10:59 AM
Look at who the Rams took. That's really all that matters.

Mr. Krab
04-22-2009, 11:00 AM
Shouldn't Ryan be picked #1 since drafting a QB high is mandatory for any successful draft?

L.A. Chieffan
04-22-2009, 11:00 AM
we should probably draft a tackle in every round that way we can have 10 tackles and 1 QB running the option. wed be fucking unstoppable JIMP

DaneMcCloud
04-22-2009, 11:01 AM
I could understand drafting Clady at 5 and Flacco at 15 but Clady & Baker?

Wha?

And Ryan should have been #1 overall.

kcbubb
04-22-2009, 11:01 AM
the whole thing is crap. if you know that Ryan is that good, the fins take him #1. and the falcons take flacco.

melbar
04-22-2009, 11:01 AM
Ya, and I thought Long was a horrible choice for the Dolphins right? They had to help him all year...:rolleyes:

Pitt Gorilla
04-22-2009, 11:03 AM
Look at who the Rams took. That's really all that matters.Yup. Carl and Herm really did nail this draft, for the most part. I still think Dorsey becomes a very good player.

Hopefully, Pioli can keep up the good work.

DJ's left nut
04-22-2009, 11:03 AM
As cool as Albert going 2 was, that whole thing was a flaming pile of !@#$, thus undercutting any credibility it may have had.

Wow, that was just miles and miles of stupid. Long still going #1 overall, over Ryan no less? Egads.

DaneMcCloud
04-22-2009, 11:04 AM
the whole thing is crap. if you know that Ryan is that good, the fins take him #1. and the falcons take flacco.

Uh, no way would the Falcons have taken Flacco at #3 overall last year and IMO, he doesn't deserve to go that high in retrospect.

He was a reach at #18 and was nothing more than a game manager. The difference between Ryan and Flacco is HUGE.

DaneMcCloud
04-22-2009, 11:05 AM
Ya, and I thought Long was a horrible choice for the Dolphins right? They had to help him all year...:rolleyes:

In five years, the Long pick will be looked upon as a mistake. The Dolphins likely won't have a QB and Falcons most likely will have been in the playoffs each and every year (if not the Super Bowl).

It was a bad move for that franchise and there's no way to justify it differently.

The Franchise
04-22-2009, 11:07 AM
the whole thing is crap. if you know that Ryan is that good, the fins take him #1. and the falcons take flacco.

The rules: Re-draft the 2008 first round as it happened. Consider each team's needs and strengths during last season, but don't apply their current needs to last year's pick.

I'm pretty sure that the Dolphins had Chad Pennington......right?

Just Passin' By
04-22-2009, 11:20 AM
I'm confused as to why people who want to draft an LT would be swayed away from doing so with this article:

Yes, he's a reach. Ryan Clady might be a better pure left tackle, but with Orlando Pace and Alex Barron in place last year, Albert brings more value because of the versatility that allows him to slide over and play guard. Albert is also a better run-blocker than Clady, which benefits the Rams' best player, Steven Jackson.

So, the guy is admitting to a 'reach' in a backdraft. He's conceding Clady might be the better tackle. He's using S. Jackson and the running game as part of his reasoning (Does Jackson or a twin play for the Chiefs?) and he's sliding Albert to guard as part of his logic train.

Shit, if anything, this guy has pretty much just said "Albert's really better suited to be a right tackle." By following this author's logic, one comes to the conclusion that the Chiefs should be drafting a left tackle this season because it's really not where Albert belongs.

milkman
04-22-2009, 11:33 AM
I'm confused as to why people who want to draft an LT would be swayed away from doing so with this article:



So, the guy is admitting to a 'reach' in a backdraft. He's conceding Clady might be the better tackle. He's using S. Jackson and the running game as part of his reasoning (Does Jackson or a twin play for the Chiefs?) and he's sliding Albert to guard as part of his logic train.

Shit, if anything, this guy has pretty much just said "Albert's really better suited to be a right tackle." By following this author's logic, one comes to the conclusion that the Chiefs should be drafting a left tackle this season because it's really not where Albert belongs.

What he's saying is that Clady's lack of versatility limits how the Rams can use him until the time comes that he would take over for Pace.

With Albert you can play him elsewhere, let him develop and groom him to replace Pace when he retires.

He also said that Albert "thrived" at LT for the Chiefs.

So wth Albert, you get a guy that can help both now, and in the future.

With Clady, you aren't getting any help now.

keg in kc
04-22-2009, 11:49 AM
I think Albert's going to be better than Long long term. This coming from a Michigan fan.

And Ryan should have gone first.

Just Passin' By
04-22-2009, 11:55 AM
What he's saying is that Clady's lack of versatility limits how the Rams can use him until the time comes that he would take over for Pace.

With Albert you can play him elsewhere, let him develop and groom him to replace Pace when he retires.

He also said that Albert "thrived" at LT for the Chiefs.

So wth Albert, you get a guy that can help both now, and in the future.

With Clady, you aren't getting any help now.

What he's saying is that Clady is a better LT and Albert could be moved to the RT spot or even to guard, because he's versatile.

Now, most of his article is idiotic, and this is as bad as the rest, but the OP is one who's opposed to drafting OL with #3, and this article undercuts that notion.

jAZ
04-22-2009, 12:18 PM
Look at who the Rams took. That's really all that matters.

Kinda destroys the notion that you shouldn't draft OL high in the draft, huh?

keg in kc
04-22-2009, 12:26 PM
Kinda destroys the notion that you shouldn't draft OL high in the draft, huh?Quite the opposite, actually. They rate Albert and Clady at 2 and 5, and they were drafted at 12 and 15. And then there's Sam Baker at 15 who went 21. Good value, not taken high.

htismaqe
04-22-2009, 12:37 PM
I'm confused as to why people who want to draft an LT would be swayed away from doing so with this article:



So, the guy is admitting to a 'reach' in a backdraft. He's conceding Clady might be the better tackle. He's using S. Jackson and the running game as part of his reasoning (Does Jackson or a twin play for the Chiefs?) and he's sliding Albert to guard as part of his logic train.

Shit, if anything, this guy has pretty much just said "Albert's really better suited to be a right tackle." By following this author's logic, one comes to the conclusion that the Chiefs should be drafting a left tackle this season because it's really not where Albert belongs.

ROFL

milkman
04-22-2009, 12:37 PM
What he's saying is that Clady is a better LT and Albert could be moved to the RT spot or even to guard, because he's versatile.

Now, most of his article is idiotic, and this is as bad as the rest, but the OP is one who's opposed to drafting OL with #3, and this article undercuts that notion.

AFC.

There isn't a single draft expert who is going to forward the idea of taking a RT or guard at #2 overall.

That is just fucking stupid.

He's saying that you take Albert ahead of Clady, because he's a long term replacement for Orlando Pace who, in the interim can help you elsehwhere.

Yes, Clady is a better pure LT in pass protect, but that's because he's played LT all throughout his college career.

Long term, however, Albert will be every bit as good, if not better, because he is every bit as athletic, and he's a better run blocker.

htismaqe
04-22-2009, 12:38 PM
What he's saying is that Clady is a better LT and Albert could be moved to the RT spot or even to guard, because he's versatile.

Now, most of his article is idiotic, and this is as bad as the rest, but the OP is one who's opposed to drafting OL with #3, and this article undercuts that notion.

No, he's saying Alex Barron is a better RT and Orlando Pace is a fucking HoF'er at LT.

And he's saying that for those two reasons ALONE, Albert could provide IMMEDIATE help at Guard while simultaneously providing a SURE BET at LT if/when Pace rides off into the sunset.

You need help with reading comprehension.

htismaqe
04-22-2009, 12:39 PM
Kinda destroys the notion that you shouldn't draft OL high in the draft, huh?

Not at all.

Kinda destroys the notion that we can UPGRADE the LT position when we already got the best LT prospect in last year's draft.

milkman
04-22-2009, 12:40 PM
ROFL

I've come to the inevitable conclusion that fighting stupidity is every bit as constructive as pounding a nail into the wall with a Nerf football.

htismaqe
04-22-2009, 12:40 PM
AFC.

There isn't a single draft expert who is going to forward the idea of taking a RT or guard at #2 overall.

That is just ****ing stupid.

He's saying that you take Albert ahead of Clady, because he's a long term replacement for Orlando Pace who, in the interim can help you elsehwhere.

Yes, Clady is a better pure LT in pass protect, but that's because he's played LT all throughout his college career.

Long term, however, Albert will be every bit as good, if not better, because he is every bit as athletic, and he's a better run blocker.

You obviously need to read between the lines a bit more and find some hidden meaning that wasn't obvious by reading the story...

Just Passin' By
04-22-2009, 01:36 PM
No, he's saying Alex Barron is a better RT and Orlando Pace is a ****ing HoF'er at LT.

And he's saying that for those two reasons ALONE, Albert could provide IMMEDIATE help at Guard while simultaneously providing a SURE BET at LT if/when Pace rides off into the sunset.

You need help with reading comprehension.

My reading comprehension is fine. You concede the point when you point to his argument about him moving to guard.

Seriously, how difficult is it for you to figure that out?

Just Passin' By
04-22-2009, 01:37 PM
Not at all.

Kinda destroys the notion that we can UPGRADE the LT position when we already got the best LT prospect in last year's draft.

He doesn't say that Albert is the best LT prospect. So, the basic problem seems to be YOUR lack of reading comprehension, and not that of others.

DaKCMan AP
04-22-2009, 01:43 PM
The rules: Re-draft the 2008 first round as it happened. Consider each team's needs and strengths during last season, but don't apply their current needs to last year's pick.

I'm pretty sure that the Dolphins had Chad Pennington......right?

Wrong.

bowener
04-22-2009, 02:10 PM
Ummmmm.... ok.

Retarded.

Only thing worse than drafting two LT's in the 1st round, is not realizing you drafted 2 LT's in the first round.

PastorMikH
04-22-2009, 02:47 PM
After watching Albert last year they consider him worthy of the 2nd pick and good enough to be able to replace Orlando Pace for StL but we have a multitude of fans that think we need to draft a LT and move Albert somewhere else on the OL?

LMAO


I've been impressed with Albert at LT. Another year's experience there and he could be one of the better LTs in the NFL and yong enough to play at that level for a decade or even longer IMO. But hey, if the majority of the BB wants to make him adjust to multiple positions up and down the line and turn him in to a decent player in multiple positions instead of letting him get really, really good at probably the most important position on the OL, there's no point arguing with them.


On a side note, over the 6.5 years that I've been on this BB, Htismaqe's opinion when it comes to Chiefs football has usually been more accurate than the majority of posters here. Whether I agree with him or not on any certain scenario, I've learned that his opinion is at least worth considering and is usually more correct than the majority of posters on this BB that would disagree on the given scenario.

Fritz88
04-22-2009, 02:55 PM
USA today. meh

htismaqe
04-22-2009, 04:12 PM
My reading comprehension is fine. You concede the point when you point to his argument about him moving to guard.

Seriously, how difficult is it for you to figure that out?

I didn't concede anything. He said Clady is the better PURE LT prospect, but Albert provides immediate impact for the Rams due to his ability to play guard.

There's nothing for ME to figure out, I already have it figured out.

We HAVE a LT, we don't need another one.

keg in kc
04-22-2009, 04:14 PM
He did also postulate that albert's the better run blocker, which would have benefitted steven jackson.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-22-2009, 04:17 PM
I'm confused as to why people who want to draft an LT would be swayed away from doing so with this article:



So, the guy is admitting to a 'reach' in a backdraft. He's conceding Clady might be the better tackle. He's using S. Jackson and the running game as part of his reasoning (Does Jackson or a twin play for the Chiefs?) and he's sliding Albert to guard as part of his logic train.

Shit, if anything, this guy has pretty much just said "Albert's really better suited to be a right tackle." By following this author's logic, one comes to the conclusion that the Chiefs should be drafting a left tackle this season because it's really not where Albert belongs.

How does this stupid motherfucker have posting privileges?

Mecca
04-22-2009, 04:18 PM
How does this stupid motherfucker have posting privileges?

I'm telling you, worst noob season ever.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-22-2009, 04:19 PM
Just Fisting Myself's prerogative:

Make a post littered with a cornucopia of errors. In the interest of time, someone debunks the post, but not every point, since that would require a novella to properly expound upon the stupidity that went into him hammering his keys.

Because said novella was not written, JFM then claims that the refuting poster is conceding the point.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-22-2009, 04:23 PM
I'm telling you, worst noob season ever.

I just unloaded a Dresden-esque rep firebomb on him.

Just Passin' By
04-22-2009, 04:55 PM
How does this stupid mother****er have posting privileges?

You calling anyone else stupid is the height of irony.

Just Passin' By
04-22-2009, 04:58 PM
I didn't concede anything. He said Clady is the better PURE LT prospect, but Albert provides immediate impact for the Rams due to his ability to play guard.

There's nothing for ME to figure out, I already have it figured out.

We HAVE a LT, we don't need another one.

We've been through this before about the players you insist are unacceptable to you at #3. My point was that the article doesn't help your position. That's it.

htismaqe
04-22-2009, 05:44 PM
We've been through this before about the players you insist are unacceptable to you at #3. My point was that the article doesn't help your position. That's it.

This article ABSOLUTELY helps my position.

Albert is versatile enough as an overall player to provide an immediate impact for the Rams last year.

And is a SUPERB-enough LT prospect to replace one of the most dominant LT's in the modern era.

We don't need a LT. Nuff said.

soundmind
04-22-2009, 05:48 PM
Trading this pick is the only acceptable course of action.

bowener
04-22-2009, 05:59 PM
I'm telling you, worst noob season ever.

I realize I am still a n00b on here, but jesus christ, I think these new guys are spilling over from footballsfuture or cbssportsline.... those must be the backwoods of online posting, because those bastards have to be inbred or something.

Last I saw, there was a mock draft with us trading Dorsey to ATL for the their 1st and 2nd (and then their 4th), and then trading down 2 times in the first round.

bowener
04-22-2009, 06:02 PM
This article ABSOLUTELY helps my position.

Albert is versatile enough as an overall player to provide an immediate impact for the Rams last year.

And is a SUPERB-enough LT prospect to replace one of the most dominant LT's in the modern era.

We don't need a LT. Nuff said.

But...but... MONROE!

Just Passin' By
04-22-2009, 06:04 PM
This article ABSOLUTELY helps my position.

Albert is versatile enough as an overall player to provide an immediate impact for the Rams last year.

And is a SUPERB-enough LT prospect to replace one of the most dominant LT's in the modern era.

We don't need a LT. Nuff said.

Again, my response has nothing to do with your well-known aversion to taking another LT at #3. It's only about that article. If you can't see that a guy talking about moving Albert to another spot on the line, including possibly guard, and pimping his run blocking over his pass blocking, doesn't help your assertion about drafting an LT at #3, I really don't know what to tell you.

htismaqe
04-22-2009, 06:10 PM
Again, my response has nothing to do with your well-known aversion to taking another LT at #3. It's only about that article. If you can't see that a guy talking about moving Albert to another spot on the line, including possibly guard, and pimping his run blocking over his pass blocking, doesn't help your assertion about drafting an LT at #3, I really don't know what to tell you.

He's talking about playing Albert at guard because, at the time of last year's draft, Orlando Pace was healthy and a perennial All-Pro. He wasn't MOVING Albert to guard, he was moving him to LEFT TACKLE to replace Orlando Pace.

A guy that's good enough to follow Orlando Pace isn't good enough for the Chiefs. Might as well take another LT and screw Branden Albert, right? I feel sorry for him, he deserves better than this fan base.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-22-2009, 07:16 PM
He's talking about playing Albert at guard because, at the time of last year's draft, Orlando Pace was healthy and a perennial All-Pro. He wasn't MOVING Albert to guard, he was moving him to LEFT TACKLE to replace Orlando Pace.

A guy that's good enough to follow Orlando Pace isn't good enough for the Chiefs. Might as well take another LT and screw Branden Albert, right? I feel sorry for him, he deserves better than this fan base.

That stupid sonofabitch is a Pats fan. As dumb as most Chiefs fans are, they don't deserve to be branded with the drooling tard iron.

htismaqe
04-22-2009, 07:35 PM
I realize I am still a n00b on here, but jesus christ, I think these new guys are spilling over from footballsfuture or cbssportsline.... those must be the backwoods of online posting, because those bastards have to be inbred or something.

Last I saw, there was a mock draft with us trading Dorsey to ATL for the their 1st and 2nd (and then their 4th), and then trading down 2 times in the first round.

Interestingly enough, I thought you'd been here a LONG time and had no idea your signup date was 2007 until you mentioned it.

Congrats.

el borracho
04-22-2009, 07:36 PM
Htismaqe may have a point but this article lacks credibility.

On a somewhat related note, Cassel had really better be something special or we will have blown this draft completely. As it was, we could have taken one of the top QBs at #3 and one of the top RTs at #34 which, reportedly, plays to the strength of this draft. Now, we won't get either.

bowener
04-22-2009, 09:55 PM
Interestingly enough, I thought you'd been here a LONG time and had no idea your signup date was 2007 until you mentioned it.

Congrats.

Wow, that made me feel better about being a n00b.

Maybe I am about done with my n00bness?

PastorMikH
04-22-2009, 10:21 PM
I'm telling you, worst noob season ever.



I don't know, 2005 was pretty rough.

:p

PastorMikH
04-22-2009, 10:30 PM
Trading this pick is the only acceptable course of action.


I wonder what would make people here be more upset: We just give the pick away and receive no compensation whatsoever or use the pick on the next Todd Blackledge/Percy Snow/Ryan Sims?

beavis
04-22-2009, 11:00 PM
Are we really mocking last years draft now? God I can't wait until Saturday gets here.

veist
04-23-2009, 01:11 AM
I just unloaded a Dresden-esque rep firebomb on him.

He definitely earned it.

Sully
04-23-2009, 10:34 AM
I'm surprised Trevor Laws didn't go in the top 10...again.

milkman
04-23-2009, 05:47 PM
Wow, that made me feel better about being a n00b.

Maybe I am about done with my n00bness?

Shut up n00b.

:p

wild1
04-23-2009, 05:55 PM
wtf?

We have a left tackle. Who would spend a #3 overall to fill a position at guard, or at right tackle?

That would be explosively stupid