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[Radar Chief]

Opinions of Taurus Model 617 double action, 7 shot revolver, .357 Mag, 2.25” barrel for my CCW.
Alternate Taurus Model 444 double action, 6 shot revolver, 44 Mag, 3” barrel but this is a little more gun than I’d really want for CCW.

[Demonpenz]

IMO opinion Alternate Taurus Model 444 double action is ok Taurus Model 617 double action, 7 shot revolver, .357 Mag is also a gun

[Nixhex]

Opinions of Taurus Model 617 double action, 7 shot revolver, .357 Mag, 2.25” barrel for my CCW.
Alternate Taurus Model 444 double action, 6 shot revolver, 44 Mag, 3” barrel but this is a little more gun than I’d really want for CCW.


Best thing about Taurus is the lifetime warranty.

Check out this Taurus CCW.

http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=598&category=Revolver

[Radar Chief]

Best thing about Taurus is the lifetime warranty.

And they’re running a special until the end of this month that includes free NRA membership, I assume for one year.

Check out this Taurus CCW.

http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=598&category=Revolver

The gun shop I’ll be ordering through actually has one of those, that is a big gun, not very conducive to remaining “concealed”.

[TrebMaxx]

I would go with the 617. I didn't check the spec's but I would assume that it is lighter than the 444.

[Nixhex]

And they’re running a special until the end of this month that includes free NRA membership, I assume for one year.



The gun shop I’ll be ordering through actually has one of those, that is a big gun, not very conducive to remaining “concealed”.

If the size of the Judge is too big then you should go with the Model 617. The 617 is only about 6 5/8" long. The 444 is about 9.8" and you can get a Judge at about 9.5" long.

[Nixhex]

I'm buying a new CCW myself next weekend. I"m getting a Ruger SR9. Can't wait.

[R8RFAN]

You can buy a more expensive gun but you won't get a better more reliable gun than a Taurus in my opinion

[Radar Chief]

I would go with the 617. I didn't check the spec's but I would assume that it is lighter than the 444.

Good point. Hell, the difference in ammo alone probably makes the .44 about 5 lbs heavier.

If the size of the Judge is too big then you should go with the Model 617. The 617 is only about 6 5/8" long. The 444 is about 9.8" and you can get a Judge at about 9.5" long.

Yea size is an issue. I’ve used my Colt 1991A1 for a CCW when I’m at the river fishing but it’s kind of a pain to carry and keep concealed.
That’s why I’m after a smaller revolver, for size and reliability, and I like the .357 caliber for its versatility.

[R8RFAN]

My friend just bought this
Basically you load it by putting a stick of dynamite in the chamber and light it
http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/smith_163460.jpg
Caliber: .460 S&W Magnum
Capacity: 5
Barrel Length: 8-3/8" (7-3/8" + 1" Compensator)
Front Sight: Gold Bead Black Patridge and HI-VIZ® Green Dot Interchangeable
Rear Sight: Adjustable Black Blade
Firing System: N/A
Grip: Rubber Grip
Frame: X-Frame
Finish: Satin Stainless
Overall length: N/A
Material: Stainless Steel
Weight Empty: 73.0 ounces

[Radar Chief]

ROFL No shit.

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[salame]

Sorry I misread the thread title as Handsome guys

[R8RFAN]

I own one of these
Ruger P90
http://www.waffenzimmermann.ch/sites/faustfeuerwaffen/ruger/13786l%20P90.jpg

[Boise_Chief]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_&_Wesson_Model_500

My business partner just bought one of these. When he asked the gunsmith to sight it in the gunsmith said no, I don't need the pain.

[Boise_Chief]

Oh yea it's not good for CCW.

[Que Card QB]

First option.

[Otter]

Taurus Model 617 all the way.

I have a friend that carries one of them for CCW for when he's transporting the days cash at end of business and he let me pop off a couple shots. It feels great, quality construction, easily concealed and surprisingly accurate up to about 15 feet.

I rarely carry but when I do it's a Springfield XD9 and it's the best pistol I've ever shot. It actually feels like it's an extension of your hand. Puts all other pistols I've shot to shame. Strictly for CCW purposes however I wish I would have bought the 617 after shooting one.

[unothadeal]

pew pew pew

[PastorMikH]

No need for a sissy 357 magnum, why not go all the way and get the 600 nitro express on a Thompson Center Encore action? Here's a youtube video of a guy shooting it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yzI0AIpUUA


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The story behind it is the owner built it as a showpiece only with no intention of ever firing it. This guy at the range kept bugging him about letting him shoot it. He finally got tired of the guy asking and let him see for himself why it was a showpiece only.

[rockymtnchief]

DAYAM! That guy's lucky he didn't get his skull broken!

[DenverChief]

C'mon man

if your gonna go get a good CCW gun then buy this, its what I carry OD

http://www.vanguardnc.com/specials/images/glock23.jpg

Caliber =.40 S&W
Action = Safe Action (constant double action mode)
Overall length (slide) = 6.85 in. (174 mm)
Height, including magazine = 5.00 in. (127 mm)
Width = 1.18 in. (30 mm)
Barrel length = 4.02 in. (102 mm)
Sight radius = 5.98 in. (152 mm)
Rifling = Hexagonal profile with right-hand twist of one turn in 9.84 in. (250 mm)
Weight, without magazine = 21.16 oz. (600 g)
Weight, empty magazine = 2.46 oz. (70 g)
Weight, full magazine = ~9.87 oz. (~280 g)
Magazine capacity = 13 rounds
Standard trigger pull = ~5.5 lbs. (~2.5 kg)
Trigger pull length = 0.5 in. (12.5 mm)
Number of safeties = 3

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[petegz28]

C'mon man

if your gonna go get a good CCW gun then buy this, its what I carry OD

http://www.vanguardnc.com/specials/images/glock23.jpg

Caliber =.40 S&W
Action = Safe Action (constant double action mode)
Overall length (slide) = 6.85 in. (174 mm)
Height, including magazine = 5.00 in. (127 mm)
Width = 1.18 in. (30 mm)
Barrel length = 4.02 in. (102 mm)
Sight radius = 5.98 in. (152 mm)
Rifling = Hexagonal profile with right-hand twist of one turn in 9.84 in. (250 mm)
Weight, without magazine = 21.16 oz. (600 g)
Weight, empty magazine = 2.46 oz. (70 g)
Weight, full magazine = ~9.87 oz. (~280 g)
Magazine capacity = 13 rounds
Standard trigger pull = ~5.5 lbs. (~2.5 kg)
Trigger pull length = 0.5 in. (12.5 mm)
Number of safeties = 3

I have a Berreta .40 and it is sweet. But I wouldn't want to carry it....too bulky. When I worked at the liquor store I kept a .380 on me or a .38 snubnose. Those were perfect. Easy to hide, comfy and still would do the job.

[DenverChief]

FYI the penetrating power is the reason carry it OD, if you only have 13 +1 you better make sure you can hit whatever your target might be hiding behind

[DenverChief]

I have a Berreta .40 and it is sweet. But I wouldn't want to carry it....too bulky. When I worked at the liquor store I kept a .380 on me or a .38 snubnose. Those were perfect. Easy to hide, comfy and still would do the job.


yeah I carry a Beretta 9mm on Duty and man that would be a PIA to carry concealed...but the G23 is a compact gun so it conceals easily

[Radar Chief]

C'mon man

if your gonna go get a good CCW gun then buy this, its what I carry OD

http://www.vanguardnc.com/specials/images/glock23.jpg

Caliber =.40 S&W
Action = Safe Action (constant double action mode)
Overall length (slide) = 6.85 in. (174 mm)
Height, including magazine = 5.00 in. (127 mm)
Width = 1.18 in. (30 mm)
Barrel length = 4.02 in. (102 mm)
Sight radius = 5.98 in. (152 mm)
Rifling = Hexagonal profile with right-hand twist of one turn in 9.84 in. (250 mm)
Weight, without magazine = 21.16 oz. (600 g)
Weight, empty magazine = 2.46 oz. (70 g)
Weight, full magazine = ~9.87 oz. (~280 g)
Magazine capacity = 13 rounds
Standard trigger pull = ~5.5 lbs. (~2.5 kg)
Trigger pull length = 0.5 in. (12.5 mm)
Number of safeties = 3

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If money were no object I'd get a Kimber Ultra Carry II.

http://www.kimberamerica.com/images/pistols/ultracarrylg.jpg

Model: Ultra Carry II/ Night Sights (LG)™ .45 ACP
Caliber: .45 ACP
Features: Kimber aluminum frames have been tested to over 20,000 rounds without evidence of meaningful wear.
Ultra Carry .45 ACP pistols weight just 25 ounces.
Shortened frame retains 7-round magazine capacity.
7075-T7 aluminum frames have been tested to over 20,000 rounds without meaningful wear.
Ultra Carry slide has the longest cycle time of any small 1911 pistol, ensuring unequaled reliability.
Bull barrel design keeps maximum weight forward, reducing muzzle lift and recoil.

Specifications: Height (inches) 90° to barrel: 4.75
Weight (ounces) with empty magazine: 25
Length (inches): 6.8
Magazine capacity: 7
Recoil spring (pounds): 18.0
Full length guide rod

Frame: Material: Aluminum
Finish: Matte black
Width (inches): 1.28

Slide: Material: Steel
Finish: Matte black

Barrel: Length (inches): 3
Steel, match grade
Twist rate (left hand): 16
Ramped

Sights: Meprolight Tritium 3-dot night sight, fixed
Radius (inches): 4.8

Grips: Tactical gray
Crimson trace lasergrips

Trigger: Aluminum Match Grade
Factory setting (approx. pounds): 4.0 - 5.0

Suggested
Retail Price: $1263.00 Ultra Carry II/ Night Sights (LG)™ .45 ACP

[DenverChief]

If money were no object I'd get a Kimber Ultra Carry II.

http://www.kimberamerica.com/images/pistols/ultracarrylg.jpg

Model: Ultra Carry II/ Night Sights (LG)™ .45 ACP
Caliber: .45 ACP
Features: Kimber aluminum frames have been tested to over 20,000 rounds without evidence of meaningful wear.
Ultra Carry .45 ACP pistols weight just 25 ounces.
Shortened frame retains 7-round magazine capacity.
7075-T7 aluminum frames have been tested to over 20,000 rounds without meaningful wear.
Ultra Carry slide has the longest cycle time of any small 1911 pistol, ensuring unequaled reliability.
Bull barrel design keeps maximum weight forward, reducing muzzle lift and recoil.

Specifications: Height (inches) 90° to barrel: 4.75
Weight (ounces) with empty magazine: 25
Length (inches): 6.8
Magazine capacity: 7
Recoil spring (pounds): 18.0
Full length guide rod

Frame: Material: Aluminum
Finish: Matte black
Width (inches): 1.28

Slide: Material: Steel
Finish: Matte black

Barrel: Length (inches): 3
Steel, match grade
Twist rate (left hand): 16
Ramped

Sights: Meprolight Tritium 3-dot night sight, fixed
Radius (inches): 4.8

Grips: Tactical gray
Crimson trace lasergrips

Trigger: Aluminum Match Grade
Factory setting (approx. pounds): 4.0 - 5.0

Suggested
Retail Price: $1263.00 Ultra Carry II/ Night Sights (LG)™ .45 ACP

.45 has stopping power but not penetration...if your target is hiding behind a car door or some other sturdy object the .45 is basically useless

[Radar Chief]

.45 has stopping power but not penetration...if your target is hiding behind a car door or some other sturdy object the .45 is basically useless

True, but I'm more worried about over penetrating and hitting an innocent bystander than trying to shoot someone hiding behind something like that.
I'm not too worried about long range, and I'm not worried about capacity. I'm not carrying to get into a shoot out, and if I'm shooting at someone over 30 yards away or spraying the target it's harder to call self defense.
If it wasn't for Glaser Safety Bullets I probably wouldn't have chosen a Magnum either.
But I think with a short barrel .357 I'll have the small size and versatility of being able to plink with .38's and load a combination of Glasers for knock down and a couple of Magnums later in the cylinder just in case I need to stop something big.

[SAUTO]

If the size of the Judge is too big then you should go with the Model 617. The 617 is only about 6 5/8" long. The 444 is about 9.8" and you can get a Judge at about 9.5" long.

is that the specs of the judge with the 3" barrel? i ordered one in stainless, i pick it up tomorrow, morning of course:)

[SAUTO]

True, but I'm more worried about over penetrating and hitting an innocent bystander than trying to shoot someone hiding behind something like that.
I'm not too worried about long range, and I'm not worried about capacity. I'm not carrying to get into a shoot out, and if I'm shooting at someone over 30 yards away or spraying the target it's harder to call self defense.
If it wasn't for Glaser Safety Bullets I probably wouldn't have chosen a Magnum either.
But I think with a short barrel .357 I'll have the small size and versatility of being able to plink with .38's and load a combination of Glasers for knock down and a couple of Magnums later in the cylinder just in case I need to stop something big.

thats why i went with the judge for the house, i also have a HK .45 but in the house i wouldnt want to shoot it

[Bwana]

Taurus Model 617 all the way.

I have a friend that carries one of them for CCW for when he's transporting the days cash at end of business and he let me pop off a couple shots. It feels great, quality construction, easily concealed and surprisingly accurate up to about 15 feet.

I rarely carry but when I do it's a Springfield XD9 and it's the best pistol I've ever shot. It actually feels like it's an extension of your hand. Puts all other pistols I've shot to shame. Strictly for CCW purposes however I wish I would have bought the 617 after shooting one.

The fact that you still have both arms has everything to do with you not having to touch off a few rounds at a bear with my .454 loaded with Corbons the day I loaned it to you. :)

[rad]

I looked at a Glock 20 10 mm....anyone ever shoot one of these?

[dtebbe]

If the words CCW and .44 come in the same sentance


YOU MIGHT BE A REDNECK

(or just a plain dumbass)

JF

[tmax63]

my brother just got a S&W airlite in 38special. 5 hole hammerless revolver. it looked nice enough for me to steal it from him lol.....

[old_geezer]

I've got a Taurus 617 2inch ported barrel that I dearly love; for some reason I am more accurate with it than my other weapons. I also have a Glock 27 (sub-compact .40) and Glock 30 (sub-compact .45) that I wouldn't part with. A few more trips to the range for practice and proof of reliability and the 30 will probably be my chief sidekick.

[BigOlChiefsfan]

I looked at a Glock 20 10 mm....anyone ever shoot one of these?

I believe Bwana has one. That's a reasonable 'bear country' gun IMHO.


I like the .357/.38, but I'm even fonder of calibers that start with 4. I'd try shooting a short barreled .44 before you buy - they can be a handful if you're shooting an unported magnum (and loud as hell if shooting a ported magnum - annoyingly loud). But they're not half bad if you load good .44 special (and reserve your magnum loads for bear country). I like this Blazer w/Gold Dot hollowpoint. Cheap enough to afford a bit of practice, always goes bang and that Gold Dot's a good, reliable expander.

http://tinyurl.com/c3tj6e

[TrebMaxx]

All this talk of pistols forces me to post a picture my latest acquisition. This is a Para Ordinance Hi-Cap .45 special edition Operation Iraqi Freedom for the 101st AB. I wouldn't carry it, hell I don't know if I will even shoot it, but most likely I will.

[PastorMikH]

FYI the penetrating power is the reason carry it OD, if you only have 13 +1 you better make sure you can hit whatever your target might be hiding behind


Again, a 600 nitro express on an Encore frame. Not only will it penetrate the tree your target is hiding behind, it will take care of the guy sneaking up behind you with the same shot.

:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yzI0AIpUUA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yzI0AIpUUA)

[BWillie]

I carry this around when I wait in the line at clubs motherf*ckers

http://wirelessdigest.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/melgibsonshotgun.jpg

[L.A. Chieffan]

Phase plasma rifle in 40-watt range.

[Otter]

The fact that you still have both arms has everything to do with you not having to touch off a few rounds at a bear with my .454 loaded with Corbons the day I loaned it to you. :)

Heh, I really don't think of that thing as a "handgun" - it's more of a portable howitzer.

I still think we should have followed Tony's advice and paid that Chinese guy outside of the motel in Cooke City $5 to shoot a round.

Never doubt crazy cousin Tony.

[beach tribe]

I own one of these
Ruger P90
http://www.waffenzimmermann.ch/sites/faustfeuerwaffen/ruger/13786l%20P90.jpg

I have one of these. Great gun. My brother is getting a 1911. The make(of the 1911) slips my mind at the moment.

[beach tribe]

Phase plasma rifle in 40-watt range.
"Only what you see pal"

[beach tribe]

.45 has stopping power but not penetration...if your target is hiding behind a car door or some other sturdy object the .45 is basically useless

That's strange, because I was just back home in TN firing off with my buddies across the lake, and such.

We were shooting an old water well pump tank, and the .45 cal pistol was the only one that would penetrate it. Not the Beretta, not the glock .40, not the .357, or any of the other weapons(pistols) we we're firing. The.45 cal model Ruger like the one in this thred was not only going through the front, which no other pistol did, it was blowing shredded holes out of the back, the size of a silver dollar. That gun would blow 5 lbs off a man behind a car door.

[Bwana]

I looked at a Glock 20 10 mm....anyone ever shoot one of these?

I have one and love it. I also have it a lot of extra's on that toy.

[Bwana]

Heh, I really don't think of that thing as a "handgun" - it's more of a portable howitzer.

I still think we should have followed Tony's advice and paid that Chinese guy outside of the motel in Cooke City $5 to shoot a round.

Never doubt crazy cousin Tony.

It would have killed the poor little bastard because I had it loaded with Corbons. Great for making a bear go night night, but not so nice on the hand. It felt like a bat at full swing hitting your hand with each shot with those rounds in it.

"You want a beer Mr. Lee? Not a problem, but first, you must shoot my little friend." Mu-hahahah!

[DenverChief]

That's strange, because I was just back home in TN firing off with my buddies across the lake, and such.

We were shooting an old water well pump tank, and the .45 cal pistol was the only one that would penetrate it. Not the Beretta, not the glock .40, not the .357, or any of the other weapons(pistols) we we're firing. The.45 cal model Ruger like the one in this thred was not only going through the front, which no other pistol did, it was blowing shredded holes out of the back, the size of a silver dollar. That gun would blow 5 lbs off a man behind a car door.

what kinda ammo you using? (180 grain, +P?) that makes a big difference...45 is fat and slow, 40 is fast and heavy, 9mm is fastest and lightest

[DenverChief]

True, but I'm more worried about over penetrating and hitting an innocent bystander than trying to shoot someone hiding behind something like that.
I'm not too worried about long range, and I'm not worried about capacity. I'm not carrying to get into a shoot out, and if I'm shooting at someone over 30 yards away or spraying the target it's harder to call self defense.


Think about the mall/school shootings of late and you may want to rethink some of that statement when you find yourself protecting not only your loved ones but innocent bystanders from a deranged lunatic

[Radar Chief]

That's strange, because I was just back home in TN firing off with my buddies across the lake, and such.

We were shooting an old water well pump tank, and the .45 cal pistol was the only one that would penetrate it. Not the Beretta, not the glock .40, not the .357, or any of the other weapons(pistols) we we're firing. The.45 cal model Ruger like the one in this thred was not only going through the front, which no other pistol did, it was blowing shredded holes out of the back, the size of a silver dollar. That gun would blow 5 lbs off a man behind a car door.

That might be the difference between a .45 Long Colt and a .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol).
I shot an old junk TV straight in the picture tube with a .45 ACP using JHP's and it didn't come out the back side. I found the bullet sitting in the bottom of the TV housing with the shattered remains of the picture tube.
Also an ACP has limited range because it's a big, heavy bullet thats moving slow, only 810 fps. If you were shooting at something 50 yards away, it probably wasn't with an ACP.

[Radar Chief]

If the words CCW and .44 come in the same sentance


YOU MIGHT BE A REDNECK

(or just a plain dumbass)

JF

I'm not a small guy. I'm no Bill Braski but still, and the handle of smaller revolvers can get lost in my hand. I highly prefer a handle that fills my hand so I can get a solid grip on it, particularly if I'm shooting a magnum.
Plus Glaser also makes their Safety Bullets for a .44 Magnum. Same plan as I discribed with the .357 Magnum, bigger bang.
I've also kicked around the idea of getting a revolver in .40 S&W or .45 ACP callibers. I think either one would be a fine self defender, I'm planning .357 Magnum mostly because of the versatility.

[Bwana]

I'm planning .357 Magnum mostly because of the versatility.

That may not be a bad plan, with the price of ammo going through the roof. At least you can run a .38 round through it.

[Radar Chief]

Think about the mall/school shootings of late and you may want to rethink some of that statement when you find yourself protecting not only your loved ones but innocent bystanders from a deranged lunatic

Maybe.
I still think my plan of attack would cover most situations I'm likely to run across.

[Dallas Chief]

I am more of SigSauer guy...P229 in 9mm.

[Radar Chief]

That may not be a bad plan, with the price of ammo going through the roof. At least you can run a .38 round through it.

So what is the latest price on that 10mm ammo? ;)

[Bwana]

So what is the latest price on that 10mm ammo? ;)

I wish I could tell you. The last 3 sporting goods shops I have to, were out. I do have about 200 rounds from before though, so I am in no danger of running out for the time being.

[shitgoose]

I own one of these
Ruger P90
http://www.waffenzimmermann.ch/sites/faustfeuerwaffen/ruger/13786l%20P90.jpg

Is this a decent carry gun?

[BigOlChiefsfan]

http://tinyurl.com/d7qgab

Check that hardcast 10mm bear ammo

[dtebbe]

I'm not a small guy. I'm no Bill Braski but still, and the handle of smaller revolvers can get lost in my hand. I highly prefer a handle that fills my hand so I can get a solid grip on it, particularly if I'm shooting a magnum.
Plus Glaser also makes their Safety Bullets for a .44 Magnum. Same plan as I discribed with the .357 Magnum, bigger bang.
I've also kicked around the idea of getting a revolver in .40 S&W or .45 ACP callibers. I think either one would be a fine self defender, I'm planning .357 Magnum mostly because of the versatility.

It really depends on how you CCW. For me to carry all the time I want something that I don't even know is there (which is why I carry a S&W Airweight .38 special with hip grips). It's like my Amex card, I don't leave home without it. The same gun with Pachymar grips works fine for bigger hands, but will need a holster of some sort.

A .357 would be a fine CCW gun, perfectly controllable with the right load, and nice stopping power. I'm a fan of revolvers for "combat" situations, much less to go wrong.

Now don't get me wrong, if I was delivering $10k in cash to the ghetto, I'd be carrying my Beretta .45.

I also have a small Daewoo DP-51c 9mm that holds 12 rounds that is a dream to shoot and would make a fine CCW auto. It's a shame they didn't catch on, my Daewoo is one of my favorite handguns I have. It was pretty inexpensive, and has awesome quality and features. I bought mine from a local Sheriffs deputy, he carried it for backup for a bout 3 years until the department bought them all compact Glocks for backup. He said about half the department was carrying the Daewoo as backup when they had to buy their own, because of the quality and the fact their S&W full-size magazines from their service weapon would fit them. I bought it from him for $200. I tried carrying it for a while, but once you get 13 rounds of 9mm in there, it's pretty heavy and annoying.

Here is a link on the Daewoo (I'm quite fond of it):
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg47-e.htm

DT

[BigOlChiefsfan]

Is this a decent carry gun?

That P90 is pretty much indestructible, but it's big and meant to be carried 'out' on a belt. It's big enough I wouldn't try to conceal one. If you want a Ruger .45acp to carry concealed, look at their 345 model. I have one, nice pistol and sized a lot more sensibly to carry. Has a few foibles - don't dry fire it without a magazine in, for instance.

http://tinyurl.com/csqho8

[Bwana]

http://tinyurl.com/d7qgab

Check that hardcast 10mm bear ammo

10mm 230gr. WFNGC Hardcast 50rds.

Daddy like! I just ordered 2 boxes, one for me and one for my brother.

rep :thumb:

[BigOlChiefsfan]

Good! If I lived in griz country, a fistful of hardcast 10mm would make me a whole lot happier on the trail.

http://tinyurl.com/co9xu8

[R8RFAN]

Is this a decent carry gun?

No,Its pretty heavy and bulky but feels good in your hand.

[shitgoose]

Just picked up this little guy at the gun show in Wichita over the weekend. Its going to be my primary carry weapon. Haven't got a chance to put any rounds through it yet but plan on hitting the range this week.

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Model: PPS
Caliber: 9mm
Length: 6.3″
Height: 4.4″
Width - Frame & Slide: 1.04″
Barrel Length: 3.2″
Sight Radius: 5.4″
Weight (without Mag): 19.4 oz.
Standard Magazine Weight: 1.9 oz.
Action: Striker Fire Action, Pre-Cocked
Trigger Pull: 6.1 lbs.
Frame: Anthracite Polymer

[Nixhex]

Just bought one of these on Saturday. $409 at ShowMeShooters. Great gun and a sweet price.

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MODEL: SR9
TYPE: SemiAuto
OPERATION: Recoil-Operated
TYPE: DAO, striker-fired
CALIBER: 9mm Luger (Parabellum)
MAGAZINE CAPACITY: 17 rounds
BARREL LENGTH: 4.00 inches
OVERALL LENGTH: 7.5 inches
WEIGHT, EMPTY: 27 ounces
SAFETY: Internal trigger safety; ambidextrous manual thumb safety
SIGHTS: Three-dot low profile; front and rear drift-adjustable for windage; rear-click-adjustable elevation
SIGHT RADIUS: 6.25 inches
RIFLING: Six grooves, 1:10 RH twist
STOCKS: Integral molded polymer with reversible backstrap
FINISH: Matte stainless steel slide; matte black polymer frame

[Bwana]

No,Its pretty heavy and bulky but feels good in your hand.

Heh, That sounds like a line I would be throwing at my wife. :evil:

[R8RFAN]

Heh, That sounds like a line I would be throwing at my wife. :evil:

good luck with that one if she is your wife, may work on a new chick though :D

[Bwana]

good luck with that one if she is your wife, may work on a new chick though :D

True that. ROFL

[DenverChief]

so what did you get?