Chiefs gonna take Tyson Jackson

[Rick]

All the experts are switching their mock drafts to it suddenly and I just heard Mortenson say that the Chiefs and Tyson were a done deal, and he said it as though it were a sure thing. Hmmm. thoughts?

[L.A. Chieffan]

lsu doenst have a good bathroom to do coke in

[The Bad Guy]

I don't buy it for one minute.

[Nightfyre]

Yea right. Pioli suddenly opened up and announced that to the media.

[ArrowheadMagic]

If your going to take a guy who doesnt deserve to go that high, might as well make it Everette Brown . At least his position deserves that kind of money.

[DaneMcCloud]

I don't buy it for one minute.

Dees

[HemiEd]

Yea right. Pioli suddenly opened up and announced that to the media.

Yeah, of course, on the night before the draft. After putting things on leaded, bullit proof, lockdown until now, it makes perfect sense.

[FD]

If its true it means we're trading down.

I hope.

[Frosty]

Kind of like Mort saying the Rat as the Chiefs' coach was a sure thing?

[T-post Tom]

Has anyone ever seen Mort and Nick Ath@n in the same place at the same time?

[Mr. Kotter]

Pioli...hoping he can duplicate the Reichard Seymour pick? :shrug:

I still think they nab Sanchez, and hold him for ransom though.....

:hmmm:

[Mecca]

If your going to take a guy who doesnt deserve to go that high, might as well make it Everette Brown . At least his position deserves that kind of money.

Cue to the people..."But but he's way low in rankings now!"

[Halfcan]

Pats and Chiefs could make a trade???

[Mr. Kotter]

If your going to take a guy who doesnt deserve to go that high, might as well make it Everette Brown . At least his position deserves that kind of money.

Brown is good....but like Dorsey, on paper at least, would be a mismatch for our new "D."

[Mr. Kotter]

Pats and Chiefs could make a trade???

Sweet....bring it on. :hmmm:

[Mecca]

Brown is good....but like Dorsey, on paper at least, would be a mismatch for our new "D."

Wait what?

[ArrowheadMagic]

Cue to the people..."But but he's way low in rankings now!"


Better player at a premium position. if your going to reach, at least reach for a guy that plays a premium position. Curry has more value than Jackson.

[Mecca]

Better player at a premium position. if your going to reach, at least reach for a guy that plays a premium position. Curry has more value than Jackson.

Those edge guys are so questionable this year, I wouldn't touch Orakpo or Maybin.

[HemiEd]

Wait what?Could Boone and Dorsey play end, and have Tank in the middle? Raji?

[Kyle DeLexus]

Wait what?

Todd McShay says he's a 4-3 DE and not a 3-4 OLB!/espn lovers everywhere

[Mecca]

I just listened to Mortensen say the Chiefs are taking Tyson Jackson.

[J Diddy]

Those edge guys are so questionable this year, I wouldn't touch Orakpo or Maybin.


Maybin rules

[dirk digler]

Just listened to Mort on SportsCenter and says Tyson Jackson to the Chiefs is a done deal. He said it is to high but the Chiefs are looking at him as a player that will be good for the next 10 years.

[dirk digler]

I just listened to Mortensen say the Chiefs are taking Tyson Jackson.

Copycat :p

How do you feel about this Mecca?

[DaneMcCloud]

I just listened to Mortensen say the Chiefs are taking Tyson Jackson.

I don't buy it for second.

I'd take Monroe or Smith before Jackson.

JFC.

And we wouldn't have another pick until the 3rd round?

No way.

[Nightfyre]

Mortenson saying "the deal is done." Hmm... Ive fallen for this trap once...

[Priest31kc]

well crap if it is true. I dont know how he can say its a done deal though.

[Mecca]

Copycat :p

How do you feel about this Mecca?

All of that hybrid talk dies if he's the pick he's a pure 3-4 player. So all that stuff Guardian has been saying looks like drivel if they take Jackson.

[keg in kc]

You need a rumor that we're high on somebody if you want the pick to have any trade value.

And I don't believe for a second this front office would give anything away 18 hours before the draft...

[ArrowheadMagic]

Those edge guys are so questionable this year, I wouldn't touch Orakpo or Maybin.


Not in the top 15. Maybin is limited in pass rushing moves, Orakpo is harder to read, has the whole UT bust thing going. Produced in college just cant see him playing OLB...... he is the guy you bring in on 3rd downs ....
pass rushing specialists arent exactly 1st rd material.

[dirk digler]

All of that hybrid talk dies if he's the pick he's a pure 3-4 player. So all that stuff Guardian has been saying looks like drivel if they take Jackson.

Thanks.

Good value?

BTW I am hoping this isn't true especially picking another DL high in the draft.

[Mecca]

You need a rumor that we're high on somebody if you want the pick to have any trade value.

But that isn't the rumor you want then because Tyson Jackson is projected around 17 for the most part well before this story came out.

[Mecca]

Thanks.

Good value?

BTW I am hoping this isn't true especially picking another DL high in the draft.

Most people would tell you he's not worth the 3rd pick...

[LaChapelle]

I just listened to Mortensen say the Chiefs are taking Tyson Jackson.

Quick, someone get Adam Scheftler on the phone.

[ArrowheadMagic]

Could Boone and Dorsey play end, and have Tank in the middle? Raji?


Boone would be more of a NT.... Tank at DE

[Mr. Kotter]

Wait what?

Brown is more of a 4-3 DE, not a 3-4 guy....according to what I've seen of him, and the reports on him. Of course, that's not gospel any more than the stuff anybody else brings to the table here, but seems to be a consensus.

:shrug:

[keg in kc]

But that isn't the rumor you want then because Tyson Jackson is projected around 17 for the most part well before this story came out.I heard around 7:45 on ESPN (on the way home from work) that Cleveland's really high on him at 5. It's not just KC.

[Mecca]

Everette Brown is a speed rusher that weighs 250lbs, how is he any different than all the other ends being projected to OLB?

[xbarretx]

All the experts are switching their mock drafts to it suddenly and I just heard Mortenson say that the Chiefs and Tyson were a done deal, and he said it as though it were a sure thing. Hmmm. thoughts?

print it!

[Buck]

I think you guys are pretty much fucked unless the Rams don't take Sanchez.

Then you have to wonder if Pioli would trade your pick and get picks back that didn't exactly equal the #3 point value just so he doesn't have to pay a shit load of money to a crappy player.

Then again, you guys do have a lot of cap room.

[Mr. Kotter]

Most people would tell you he's not worth the 3rd pick...

The rationalization (not that I agree) is that Pioli did a similar thing with Seymour when he was in NE....reached earlier than most thought Seymour should go, and he "hit" on that. They seem to think he's gonna try the same here with Jackson.

[Mecca]

The rationalization (not that I agree) is that Pioli did a similar thing with Seymour when he was in NE....reached earlier than most thought Seymour should go, and he "hit" on that. They seem to think he's gonna try the same here with Jackson.

Seymour and Jackson are nothing alike, I never want to see those 2 compared again.

[dirk digler]

Most people would tell you he's not worth the 3rd pick...

If they pick him they must think he is going to be Seymour-esque

[Priest31kc]

I would be pretty disappointed if we took Jackson at #3 and dont have another pick until Sunday.

[HemiEd]

Boone would be more of a NT.... Tank at DE
:spock: seriously? They have played Boone at DE in the 43, and have him listed as such on the roster. Not Tank he has always been in the middle, right?.
Are you thinking of Turk?

[dj56dt58]

if we dont trade out of 3 with sanchez on the board...

[keg in kc]

I think the main thing is that Sanchez going 2 means we're utterly ****ed, and we're going to end up with somebody we're not going to like, whether that's Jackson or Curry or Crabtree or one of the tackles.

I don't think anybody, including our warroom, knows who we're taking right now. I don't think they'll know when the draft starts, either. So I don't buy this idea that anybody is a lock right now at 11:45 pm the night before.

I just hope I don't wake up tomorrow and find out the Rams have worked a trade or are dealing with Sanchez's agent. That would be a shitty start to a shitty day, I'd say.

[ArrowheadMagic]

:spock: seriously? They have played Boone at DE in the 43, and have him listed as such on the roster. Not Tank he has always been in the middle, right?.
Are you thinking of Turk?

yeah, Turk.... Tank and Boone both at NT sorry

[DaneMcCloud]

I think the main thing is that Sanchez going 2 means we're utterly ****ed, and we're going to end up with somebody we're not going to like, whether that's Jackson or Curry or Crabtree or one of the tackles.

I don't think anybody, including our warroom, knows who we're taking right now. I don't think they'll know when the draft starts, either. So I don't buy this idea that anybody is a lock right now at 11:45 pm the night before.

I'll take the tackles any day of the week over a hit-or-miss DE or WR.

[keg in kc]

I'll take the tackles any day of the week over a hit-or-miss DE or WR.I don't want any of the above.

[dirk digler]

I would be pretty disappointed if we took Jackson at #3 and dont have another pick until Sunday.

we do have a 3rd round pick

[Mecca]

we do have a 3rd round pick

The 3rd round isn't on the 1st day anymore.

[dirk digler]

I'll take the tackles any day of the week over a hit-or-miss DE or WR.

Yep.

[Kyle DeLexus]

we do have a 3rd round pick

That will be Sunday only 2 rounds on day one

[Mr. Kotter]

Everette Brown is a speed rusher that weighs 250lbs, how is he any different than all the other ends being projected to OLB?

You may be right; but no way I can believe Jackson is a smoke-screen for Brown. Maybe I'm wrong though.

If that's the case, the Chiefs are seriously working it....to swap with someone in the First Round who prizes Jackson....

:hmmm:

[dirk digler]

The 3rd round isn't on the 1st day anymore.

Really? Fuck this means tomorrow will be a short day. Didn't they shorten the first round so they can make this go faster?

[Mr. Kotter]

Really? **** this means tomorrow will be a short day. Didn't they shorten the first round so they can make this go faster?

Nope. They start later in the day....4 pm Eastern, instead of noon.

[Mecca]

That's why it doesn't start till 3...

[dirk digler]

Nope. They start later in the day....4 pm Eastern, instead of noon.

That's why it doesn't start till 3...

Holy shit I thought it started at 11 as normal. Thanks guys. LMAO

[Mr. Kotter]

Holy shit I thought it started at 11 as normal. Thanks guys. LMAO

Fix yourself another drink, David. Stick around...heh. ;)

[dirk digler]

Fix yourself another drink, David. Stick around...heh. ;)

I think I will. I was about to go to bed to get a nice sleep before the draft started. LMAO

I need to pay attention more.

[booger]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/042509dnsponflmockdraft.3ed83e9.html

Rick Gosselin agrees in his final mock

[chiefs1111]

I really hope this is just BS

[dirk digler]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/042509dnsponflmockdraft.3ed83e9.html

Rick Gosselin agrees in his final mock

Fuck. And Sanchez falls all the way to 13.

[Mecca]

Ugh that mock pains me..we could swap picks with Washington and have both teams likely take the same players.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Ugh that mock pains me..we could swap picks with Washington and have both teams likely take the same players.
except Jackson wont fall to 13

[ArrowheadMagic]

He wont be accurate this year.

[Crush]

I refuse to believe Mort even if he said that the sky is blue.

[Mecca]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/042509dnsponflmockdraft.3ed83e9.html

Rick Gosselin agrees in his final mock

Go after to the draft forum and make a thread for that.

[chiefs1111]

If we are taking Jackson I really we can trade down first

[Mecca]

except Jackson wont fall to 13

He should...if he doesn't oh fucking well he's not some star.

[chiefs1111]

I would honestly rather us take Crabtree than Jackson.

[DeezNutz]

It's going to be a surprisingly boring day for Chiefs fans if we pick at #3 and are done for the day...

[ArrowheadMagic]

He should...if he doesn't oh ****ing well he's not some star.


He isnt a star or a top 5 guy, but he is a solid player. Will only be a bust because he was drafted too high. 13- 25 would be about where he should go.

[dirk digler]

It's going to be a surprisingly boring day for Chiefs fans if we pick at #3 and are done for the day...

No shit. Here is hoping they can move back into the 2nd round somehow

[Nightfyre]

No shit. Here is hoping they can move back into the 2nd round somehow

Isnt pioli terrible in the second round anyway?

[Mr. Kotter]

I would honestly rather us take Crabtree than Jackson.

Hell, I'm sticking with my "hold Sanchez ransom to the highest bidder" prediction.

Short of that, I hope all this Jackson talk is a smoke-screen for taking Curry at 3....

[Mr. Kotter]

Isnt pioli terrible in the second round anyway?

Pioli is no CARL, Dammit! :cuss:

:p

[Mecca]

Tyson Jackson is probably the most boring pick they could make, that's also extremely high for him so that'll be fun.

[Mecca]

Isnt pioli terrible in the second round anyway?

If it's a WR yea...he's actually had pretty bad luck with drafting WR's in general.

[Nightfyre]

If it's a WR yea...he's actually had pretty bad luck with drafting WR's in general.

Maybe that was it. I am too lazy to go look it up now.

[Mecca]

Maybe that was it. I am too lazy to go look it up now.

Their draft history isn't horrible but it also isn't great.

[ArrowheadMagic]

Their draft history isn't horrible but it also isn't great.


NE did more with combining FA and the draft, you can afford to miss in the draft when you make good FA signings

[DaneMcCloud]

Hell, I'm sticking with my "hold Sanchez ransom to the highest bidder" prediction.

Short of that, I hope all this Jackson talk is a smoke-screen for taking Curry at 3....

Get in line.

I said that in February

[Mecca]

NE did more with combining FA and the draft, you can afford to miss in the draft when you make good FA signings

The Colts and Chargers are the all draft little FA teams.

Although I'll say there have been some recent draft of the Patriots that leave alot to be desired.

[DeezNutz]

Hell, I'm sticking with my "hold Sanchez ransom to the highest bidder" prediction.

Short of that, I hope all this Jackson talk is a smoke-screen for taking Curry at 3....

Why anyone would need a smokescreen to take an ILB at #3 overall is a mystery to me.

[KevB]

He isnt a star or a top 5 guy, but he is a solid player. Will only be a bust because he was drafted too high. 13- 25 would be about where he should go.

Why reach for a run stuffing DE at #3 just to get a solid player. If you're just looking to get a solid player on your front seven, why not take the consensus best defensive player in Curry? I'm not necessarily a supporter of taking Curry, in fact, I'd vote for Raji at this point.

[ChiefsCountry]

Their draft history isn't horrible but it also isn't great.

Its not Baltimore for sure.

[KCDC]

Pioli would never leak anything unless he wants other teams to think he is leaning for someone they really like and will trade up for it.

Hell, he probably told one reporter he was taking Monroe, another Sanchez, another Curry, and one Jackson. He knows his old boss is interested in Jackson at #23 and he wants to pull his chain the night before. Good idea. ;)

[ChiefsCountry]

Pioli would never leak anything unless he wants other teams to think he is leaning for someone they really like and will trade up for it.

Hell, he probably told one reporter he was taking Monroe, another Sanchez, another Curry, and one Jackson. He knows his old boss is interested in Jackson at #23 and he wants to pull his chain the night before. Good idea. ;)

Why would the Patriots want Jackson? They have Seymour and Warren already.

[Nightfyre]

Pioli would never leak anything unless he wants other teams to think he is leaning for someone they really like and will trade up for it.

Hell, he probably told one reporter he was taking Monroe, another Sanchez, another Curry, and one Jackson. He knows his old boss is interested in Jackson at #23 and he wants to pull his chain the night before. Good idea. ;)

I like thinking that he wants to pull his chain just to make him pace all night.... because thats fucking funny shit.

[Mecca]

People are guessing who they think the Chiefs like, people have gotten Patriots picks right before.

[ArrowheadMagic]

Why reach for a run stuffing DE at #3 just to get a solid player. If you're just looking to get a solid player on your front seven, why not take the consensus best defensive player in Curry? I'm not necessarily a supporter of taking Curry, in fact, I'd vote for Raji at this point.


I wouldnt take Jackson at 3, if you reach this much, might as well take Brown. Not opposed to Curry,not a premium position player..... but he is the best defensive player in the draft. IMO, Raji might be a product of playing next to Brace....

[ChiefsCountry]

Raji might be a product of playing next to Brace....

So Raji the higher rated prospect is a product of the lower ranking guy?

[melbar]

Why reach for a run stuffing DE at #3 just to get a solid player. If you're just looking to get a solid player on your front seven, why not take the consensus best defensive player in Curry? I'm not necessarily a supporter of taking Curry, in fact, I'd vote for Raji at this point.

Exactly. Raji or Curry would be better choices.

[ChiefsCountry]

If we get Jackson it clearly means we are going to the 3-4. We somehow need to get another first rounder for next year.

[KevB]

I wouldnt take Jackson at 3, if you reach this much, might as well take Brown. Not opposed to Curry,not a premium position player..... but he is the best defensive player in the draft. IMO, Raji might be a product of playing next to Brace....

Just watching Raji's film, he's an explosive guy that has the size to play the nose. That said, if the powers that be decide on Tyson Jackson, so be it. They sure know more than I do, and I'm still giving them the benefit of the doubt on all decisions at this point.

[ArrowheadMagic]

So Raji the higher rated prospect is a product of the lower ranking guy?

Why not? Why didnt Brace's numbers drop when Raji didnt play 2 yrs ago?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

It would be so fucking monumentally stupid to draft Tyson Jackson at 3 that it can't even be articulated by human language faculties.

[RedThat]

If we get Jackson it clearly means we are going to the 3-4. We somehow need to get another first rounder for next year.

Not gonna happen. I just read reports Snyder isnt willing to part with his 2010 1st rder next year which is what hes gonna have to do to trade up with us. Unless Jets trade up with us? who knows? realistically dont think its gonna happen to much value for teams to give up to trade up to that #3 spot..I honestly think were stuck there.

[DaWolf]

Jackson at 3 would be quite disappointing...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I think the main thing is that Sanchez going 2 means we're utterly ****ed, and we're going to end up with somebody we're not going to like, whether that's Jackson or Curry or Crabtree or one of the tackles.

I don't think anybody, including our warroom, knows who we're taking right now. I don't think they'll know when the draft starts, either. So I don't buy this idea that anybody is a lock right now at 11:45 pm the night before.

I just hope I don't wake up tomorrow and find out the Rams have worked a trade or are dealing with Sanchez's agent. That would be a shitty start to a shitty day, I'd say.

Here's to all the true fans who were celebrating that Oakland win like it meant something. :thumb:

[DJ's left nut]

I've not agreed with much of anything this front office has done from the moment Pioli was announced.

If he drafts Tyson MFing Jackson, a Fing 3-4, run stopping defensive end, and pays this man 3rd pick money, I'm giving up.

Just pass. If you're going to draft Jackson, just ****ing pass until the 8th pick. At least then you'll only pay 8th slot money for him and no other team in this draft is goddamn stupid enough to pay a glorified under-tackle $30 million MFing dollars.

If this happens it's just going to be another log on the pile of evidence suggesting that Belichick made this happen while Pioli was just there for the ride.

[googlegoogle]

Draft expert guy on Espn radio at around 9pm said Ty Jackson reminds him of Richard Seymour at NEngland.


Good enough for me. wish we could trade down some and still pick him up though.

Go pioli!!!

[DaneMcCloud]

It would be so fucking monumentally stupid to draft Tyson Jackson at 3 that it can't even be articulated by human language faculties.

Strike 5?

If they take, Jackson, I'm gonna be pissed.

Rookie head coach, shit coaching staff, two shit trades and a shit #3 overall.

[The_Doctor10]

Draft expert guy on Espn radio at around 9pm said Ty Jackson reminds him of Richard Seymour at NEngland.


Good enough for me. wish we could trade down some and still pick him up though.

Go pioli!!!

You would think after 739 posts, you'd get more intelligent. But apparently, you're part of a very small minority in the population that happens to have an IQ which is identical to the square root of their post total on ChiefsPlanet. In your case, 27.2.

But since we round up, 27. All the best.

[ChiefsCountry]

Jackson isnt Seymour he is more like Ty Warren, but for the Chiefs he will play Seymour's spot.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I've not agreed with much of anything this front office has done from the moment Pioli was announced.

If he drafts Tyson MFing Jackson, a Fing 3-4, run stopping defensive end, and pays this man 3rd round money, I'm giving up.

Just pass. If you're going to draft Jackson, just fucking pass until the 8th pick. At least then you'll only pay 8th slot money for him and no other team in this draft is goddamn stupid enough to pay a glorified under-tackle $30 million MFing dollars.

If this happens it's just going to be another log on the pile of evidence suggesting that Belichick made this happen while Pioli was just there for the ride.

If this happens, you could make a pretty strong case that these guys just run organizations like it is a batch file.

"Oh, we're taking over a team."

"Ok. Get rid of all the star vets from the old regime."

Check

"Move to a 3-4 whether it fits the talent or not"

Check

"Sign a bunch of scrubs from teams we're familiar with"

Check

"Cut guys to make an example out of them."

Check

"Pick up some QB that you are familiar with"

Check

"Install a head coach who is a world class dickhead"

Check

[DJ's left nut]

Strike 5?

If they take, Jackson, I'm gonna be pissed.

Rookie head coach, shit coaching staff, two shit trades and a shit #3 overall.

"But Scott Pioli blarghghg!!!!!!1111!!111!!1!!"

They'd better win fast, this coaching staff and this draft pick would use every damn bit of rope I'm inclined to give them.

[The_Doctor10]

If this happens, you could make a pretty strong case that these guys just run organizations like it is a batch file.

"Oh, we're taking over a team."

"Ok. Get rid of all the star vets from the old regime."

Check

"Move to a 3-4 whether it fits the talent or not"

Check

"Sign a bunch of scrubs from teams we're familiar with"

Check

"Cut guys to make an example out of them."

Check

"Pick up some QB that you are familiar with"

Check

"Install a head coach who is a world class dickhead"

Check

Yeah, but if the world-class dickhead wins you 3 Super Bowls doesn't that make it all better? And without alienating his entire team?

[DJ's left nut]

If this happens, you could make a pretty strong case that these guys just run organizations like it is a batch file.

"Oh, we're taking over a team."

"Ok. Get rid of all the star vets from the old regime."

Check

"Move to a 3-4 whether it fits the talent or not"

Check

"Sign a bunch of scrubs from teams we're familiar with"

Check

"Cut guys to make an example out of them."

Check

"Pick up some QB that you are familiar with"

Check

"Install a head coach who is a world class dickhead"

Check

This is horrifyingly accurate.

[ChiefsCountry]

Yeah, but if the world-class dickhead wins you 3 Super Bowls doesn't that make it all better? And without alienating his entire team?

He isnt talking about Belichick. Hell Belichick is the brains behind the Parcells tree and that has been proven in the past by all the number of playoff wins that Parcells has had without him.

[ChiefsCountry]

This is horrifyingly accurate.

See Miami. See Dallas. See Kansas City. See Jets. See Broncos.

[The_Doctor10]

He isnt talking about Belichick. Hell Belichick is the brains behind the Parcells tree and that has been proven in the past by all the number of playoff wins that Parcells has had without him.

Oh I understand. I'm just saying, maybe we should see what the product on the field is before condemning it entirely.

[ChiefsCountry]

Oh I understand. I'm just saying, maybe we should see what the product on the field is before condemning it entirely.

As a fan I sure as hell it hopes it happens, I want the Chiefs to win more than anything but judging by history it doesnt look so good.

[Jethopper]

As a fan I sure as hell it hopes it happens, I want the Chiefs to win more than anything but judging by history it doesnt look so good.

This is not known yet. One could argue Scott Pioli was the puppet master. How many Superbowls has BB won without Pioli?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Yeah, but if the world-class dickhead wins you 3 Super Bowls doesn't that make it all better? And without alienating his entire team?

Yeah, unfortunately world class dickheads Bill Parcells, Charlie Weis, and Eric Mangini haven't won a gat damned single thing without Belichick

[DaWolf]

This is not known yet. One could argue Scott Pioli was the puppet master. How many Superbowls has BB won without Pioli?

Hell, we could argue they're both dumbasses and Dimitrioff was the real brains of the operation... :)

[DJ's left nut]

See Miami. See Dallas. See Kansas City. See Jets. See Broncos.

Don't forget the Browns.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

This is not known yet. One could argue Scott Pioli was the puppet master. How many Superbowls has BB won without Pioli?

He won two as D coordinator of the Giants, and created a game plan so good for one that the fucking thing is in the Hall of Fame.

[J Diddy]

He isnt talking about Belichick. Hell Belichick is the brains behind the Parcells tree and that has been proven in the past by all the number of playoff wins that Parcells has had without him.

yep his 36-44 record in cleveland in 5 years showed off his greatness

:rolleyes:

[ChiefsCountry]

How many Superbowls has BB won without Pioli?

2

[ArrowheadMagic]

This is not known yet. One could argue Scott Pioli was the puppet master. How many Superbowls has BB won without Pioli?

Or with a top QB and a great WR core?

[DeezNutz]

He won two as D coordinator of the Giants, and created a game plan so good for one that the ****ing thing is in the Hall of Fame.

Other than that, what the fuck has he done without Pioli? ... ... Yeah, that's what the fuck I thought.

[J Diddy]

2



as a coordinator, with lawrence taylor

[ArrowheadMagic]

2


Pioli hasnt been in NE as long as BB has?

[ChiefsCountry]

Pioli hasnt been in NE as long as BB has?

See 1986 and 1990 Giants.

[J Diddy]

Or with a top QB and a great WR core?


I wouldn't consider Ne's wr core as great when they won their first sb. I also consider their pick of Brady as genius. A shit ton of teams passed him over multiple times.

[ChiefsCountry]

as a coordinator, with lawrence taylor

And your point with Lawrence Taylor?

[ChiefsCountry]

I wouldn't consider Ne's wr core as great when they won their first sb. I also consider their pick of Brady as genius. A shit ton of teams passed him over multiple times.

The Brady pick was lucky as hell and they know it. Read the book Patriots Regin.

[ArrowheadMagic]

lol..... you give him credit as a DC for SB wins? why didnt he succeed in Cleveland calling the shots?

[ArrowheadMagic]

didnt he go back to being Parcells DC after that

['Hamas' Jenkins]

didnt he go back to being Parcells DC after that

Yes. Which is precisely why the statement "Bill Parcells has 0 wins w/o Bill Belichick as a part of his staff" is 100% accurate.

[J Diddy]

And your point with Lawrence Taylor?

Oh no point

Just certainly helps your standing as a defensive genius when the leader on your team is the league mvp and a hall of famer.

[ChiefsCountry]

didnt he go back to being Parcells DC after that

Took the Pats to the Super Bowl ironically.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I wouldn't consider Ne's wr core as great when they won their first sb. I also consider their pick of Brady as genius. A shit ton of teams passed him over multiple times.

They had Tim Rattay as 1a to Brady and went w/ Brady b/c of the recommendation of Dick Rehbein. They were looking for camp fodder and a potential 3rd string/backup for Bledsoe. It's the flat out luckiest pick in NFL history.

[DJ's left nut]

Just to be clear:

There are people currently trying to say that Belichick's resume can't stand on it's own without Scott Pioli? This is a serious discussion?

Really, the Pioli-smokers have gone that GD crazy already?

These people put the truefans to shame.

[J Diddy]

The Brady pick was lucky as hell and they know it. Read the book Patriots Regin.


You can call it luck, you can call it skill, you can call it divine intervention. I don't give a fuck. They hit, everyone else missed.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Oh no point

Just certainly helps your standing as a defensive genius when the leader on your team is the league mvp and a hall of famer.

Lawrence Taylor was a shell of himself in the year said game plan came from (1990).

[ChiefsCountry]

why didnt he succeed in Cleveland calling the shots?

Browns were starting to turn around, he got them a playoff win in 1994 and then 95 Modell announced the team was moving and they were fucked.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

That 1995 Browns team beat the dog piss out of the 13-3 Chiefs about a week before it broke that they were moving.

[ChiefsCountry]

You can call it luck, you can call it skill, you can call it divine intervention. I don't give a ****. They hit, everyone else missed.

Dude Pioli and Bill both said it was pure luck.

[Mecca]

Some of these moves are extremely questionable and I don't think he should get the benefit just because his name is Scott Pioli.

[ChiefsCountry]

That 1995 Browns team beat the dog piss out of the 13-3 Chiefs about a week before it broke that they were moving.

Vinny T and Andre Rison.

[ArrowheadMagic]

Took the Pats to the Super Bowl ironically.

before or after he failed as a head coach and went back to DC for Parcells?

[The Bad Guy]

Some of these moves are extremely questionable and I don't think he should get the benefit just because his name is Scott Pioli.

He absolutely deserves the benefit of the doubt right now until games are played.

[Mecca]

I don't look at things like that, I look at whether I like the move or not I don't care who made it.

[The Bad Guy]

I don't look at things like that, I look at whether I like the move or not I don't care who made it.

Shocker.

[ChiefsCountry]

before or after he failed as a head coach and went back to DC for Parcells?

By failing you mean having the team move during the middle of season and everything going to hell.

[ArrowheadMagic]

Browns were starting to turn around, he got them a playoff win in 1994 and then 95 Modell announced the team was moving and they were ****ed.


Why didnt he move with them?

[ArrowheadMagic]

same team in baltimore.

[Mecca]

Shocker.

What's wrong with that?

I think that's better than watching everyone talk about how they didn't want Cassel then flipping their stance.

[ChiefsCountry]

WTF is the purpose of all your bullshit, he got fired bc the team sucked in 1995 and he took the fall for it. But before they announced they were going to move they were 3-1. So lets not act like that had nothing to do with it.

[ArrowheadMagic]

is BB a great a coach? Yes during the season did he have time to scheme and scout players? no..... Pioli is the 2nd personnel guy to leave.... Dimitroff the 1st... its not coaches who relied on BB to do the work we are relying on. its the person in charge of finding players to fit his system. there's a difference.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Scott Pioli was the pro personnel guy. Bill Belichick was the GM.

[ArrowheadMagic]

Scott Pioli was the pro personnel guy. Bill Belichick was the GM.

Who had more time to scout players?

[J Diddy]

Lawrence Taylor was a shell of himself in the year said game plan came from (1990).

Damn if only the genius would have used that one game plan for the superbowl game against the giants.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Who had more time to scout players?

Dimitroff. It wasn't Pioli.

Pioli wasn't a scout. And after the season, Pioli wasn't scouting players for one second more than Belichick was.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Damn if only the genius would have used that one game plan for the superbowl game against the giants.

The defense damn sure didn't lose that game. That falls on the feet of Josh McDaniels and the Patriots' line's inability to block. They scored 20 points below their average, FFS.

[J Diddy]

Dude Pioli and Bill both said it was pure luck.


You're right they should have said "we knew everyone in the league was gonna pass on him so we'd pick him late. That way we can maximize our draft picks. Point being they scouted him. They saw enough in him to pick him.

[J Diddy]

The defense damn sure didn't lose that game. That falls on the feet of Josh McDaniels and the Patriots' line's inability to block. They scored 20 points below their average, FFS.



Um if a team loses 3-0 they both share the blame of losing that game.

[ChiefsCountry]

You're right they should have said "we knew everyone in the league was gonna pass on him so we'd pick him late. That way we can maximize our draft picks. Point being they scouted him. They saw enough in him to pick him.

Listen I am not making this up, it was between Tim Rattay and Brady and their QB coach basically told them to fuck off if they didnt take him. It was the QB coach Redign or however you spell it. Pioli and Bill will admit it.

[ArrowheadMagic]

If BB was the HC of the Chiefs and he drafted Tyson jackson #3, would you complain about it?

[Mecca]

If BB was the HC of the Chiefs and he drafted Tyson jackson #3, would you complain about it?

Yea, just like any Pats fan should have complained when they drafted Laurence Maroney.

[ChiefsCountry]

Tyson Jackson at #3 is just plain stupid all around. Chiefs will trade down and get him.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Um if a team loses 3-0 they both share the blame of losing that game.

No, that would be the offense's inability to score one fucking time.

If your defense holds a team to under 20 points, you should win. Period. If your offense scores more than 24 points, you should win. Period.

This argument is tantamount to blaming the Chiefs O for the loss to the Colts. In other words, it's so fucking stupid that the person making such an argument should be taken in for an immediate MRI to make sure that their head isn't filled with strontium 90 and battery acid.

[beer bacon]

Some of these moves are extremely questionable and I don't think he should get the benefit just because his name is Scott Pioli.

I think you bunch of idiots need to take it easy. We are halfway through Pioli's and Haley's first off season and you bunch of jerks are ready to crucify them.

"HOW DARE THEY MIGHT DRAFT THE PLAYER I DON'T WANT THEM TO DRAFT?!? All that time, wasted!! Didn't they read my mock drafts?! I'm finished with this team!"

[J Diddy]

Listen I am not making this up, it was between Tim Rattay and Brady and their QB coach basically told them to **** off if they didnt take him. It was the QB coach Redign or however you spell it. Pioli and Bill will admit it.

Okay......

What does this matter? They picked him. They kept him. They scouted him.

[ArrowheadMagic]

BB is jesus.. he cant do no wrong. he's won 3 sb's.

[The_Doctor10]

Some of these moves are extremely questionable and I don't think he should get the benefit just because his name is Scott Pioli.

What about because his name isn't Carl Peterson?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

BB is jesus.. he cant do no wrong. he's won 3 sb's.

At the very least, I'm sure he'd know enough not to use a double negative.

[ArrowheadMagic]

surely HE cant make mistakes.... everyone can win a SB with a team that went 18-0.

[ChiefsCountry]

The point of the argument isn't that BB is the greatest coach ever bc he is not, its that he is the reason for success in the Parcells tree.

[chiefs1111]

I just hope Mort is wrong on this..

[ArrowheadMagic]

At the very least, I'm sure he'd know enough not to use a double negative.

lol.... when you have nothing else, come back with grammar. pretty sure he has never photographed himself with poo in a bag on someones porch either.

[J Diddy]

No, that would be the offense's inability to score one ****ing time.

If your defense holds a team to under 20 points, you should win. Period. If your offense scores more than 24 points, you should win. Period.

This argument is tantamount to blaming the Chiefs O for the loss to the Colts. In other words, it's so ****ing stupid that the person making such an argument should be taken in for an immediate MRI to make sure that their head isn't filled with strontium 90 and battery acid.



Which loss to the colts?


Furthermore, the fg that won the game could have been set up by a punt return or ko return.





Now please continue calling me stupid.

[ChiefsCountry]

I just hope Mort is wrong on this..

At #3, if they trade down I woudlnt mind.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

lol.... when you have nothing else, come back with grammar. pretty sure he has never photographed himself with poo in a bag on someones porch either.

It's not my fault you have a complete inability to master 5th grade concepts of language.

It also doesn't help that you are so fucking dense that you seriously conflate Belichick's responsibility for success of the Parcells guys to making him omniscient.

[ChiefsCountry]

Which loss to the colts?

Furthermore, the fg that won the game could have been set up by a punt return or ko return.

Now please continue calling me stupid.

Which playoff game against the Colts did the offense actually do something?

[ArrowheadMagic]

poor sentence structure

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Which loss to the colts?


Furthermore, the fg that won the game could have been set up by a punt return or ko return.





Now please continue calling me stupid.

38-31. The game where we didn't punt.

But yes, the responsibility for the loss falls at the hands of Priest Holmes' fumble after a 60 yard run, or Johnnie Morton dropping a pass, and not our defense's inability to force one motherfucking punt on any possession in the game.

Of course, we also had a KR TD in that game, so we should also blame the special teams for the loss.

[J Diddy]

It's not my fault you have a complete inability to master 5th grade concepts of language.

It also doesn't help that you are so ****ing dense that you seriously conflate Belichick's responsibility for success of the Parcells guys to making him omniscient.


Perhaps it was his supercalifragilistic supercalladocious. Come the fuck on. You don't have to throw the big words out nobody ever uses just to prove you're smart.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

poor sentence structure

If you are going to try and emulate someone's smack, make sure that it makes a modicum of sense. God, you are a driveling fucking retard. Does it require visual prompts for you to master the art of wiping your ass, or are your caretakers benevolent enough to install a bidet so that's not an issue?

I just hope you never blow your head off, because there is probably enough antimatter wedged into your head to annihilate the entire fucking universe.

[ArrowheadMagic]

It's not my fault you have a complete inability to master 5th grade concepts of language.

It also doesn't help that you are so ****ing dense that you seriously conflate Belichick's responsibility for success of the Parcells guys to making him omniscient.

ok matrix since BB had final say on all personnel decisions.... arent those busts during the draft, his?

[J Diddy]

38-31. The game where we didn't punt.

But yes, the responsibility for the loss falls at the hands of Priest Holmes' fumble after a 60 yard run, or Johnnie Morton dropping a pass, and not our defense's inability to force one mother****ing punt on any possession in the game.

Of course, we also had a KR TD in that game, so we should also blame the special teams for the loss.

Hmmmmmm, seems like their offense didn't have that problem.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Perhaps it was his supercalifragilistic supercalladocious. Come the fuck on. You don't have to throw the big words out nobody ever uses just to prove you're smart.

Omniscient is now a big word that no one ever uses? You could probably find it in Juggs.

[J Diddy]

ok matrix since BB had final say on all personnel decisions.... arent those busts during the draft, his?


sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

that second round pick for tony next year is getting better
bb can't fug it up

[J Diddy]

Omniscient is now a big word that no one ever uses? You could probably find it in Juggs.

i dont read juggs

['Hamas' Jenkins]

ok matrix since BB had final say on all personnel decisions.... arent those busts during the draft, his?

Absolutely. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. And so far, Scott Pioli has proven that he's good at making trades with his old buddies, and nothing else, yet everyone is anointing his feet with oil and proclaiming him the Gary Kasparov of NFL personnel moves for trading for a QB that no one here wanted until we got him.

[ArrowheadMagic]

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

that second round pick for tony next year is getting better
bb can't fug it upheh we got a 2nd for him

['Hamas' Jenkins]

i dont read juggs

That would first require the ability to read, something that you've proven in this thread you still haven't fully mastered.

[J Diddy]

Absolutely. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. And so far, Scott Pioli has proven that he's good at making trades with his old buddies, and nothing else, yet everyone is anointing his feet with oil and proclaiming him the Gary Kasparov of NFL personnel moves for trading for a QB that no one here wanted until we got him.


While I admit I still don't know much about cassell, the thought of someone who could potentially be a franchise qb is exciting. Not to mention pioli's been a part of successful teams. and he's not carl peterson....

['Hamas' Jenkins]

While I admit I still don't know much about cassell, the thought of someone who could potentially be a franchise qb is exciting. Not to mention pioli's been a part of successful teams. and he's not carl peterson....

Better than bad does not equal good.

[J Diddy]

That would first require the ability to read, something that you've proven in this thread you still haven't fully mastered.

wow


So, because I disagree with you, I lack the ability to read.

Way to take the high road.

Don't kill yourself.
Fix yourself.

[J Diddy]

Better than bad does not equal good.

unknown does not equal bad

['Hamas' Jenkins]

wow


So, because I disagree with you, I lack the ability to read.

Way to take the high road.

Don't kill yourself.
Fix yourself.

No, your inability to show that you can understand the written word is what leads me to believe you lack the ability to read.

Perhaps I should clarify and just call you merely functionally illiterate.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

unknown does not equal bad

No one was hating on Pioli for anything just for being hired.

Trading for Cassel destroyed our draft value.

Todd Haley was not exactly a stellar HC candidate.

The defensive staff they've put together sucks.

Moving to a 3-4 is shitting on the value of Glenn Dorsey.

I'm sorry if I'm not lining up to suck his dick because he signed Terrance Copper, Zach Thomas, and Sean Ryan.

[J Diddy]

No, your inability to show that you can understand the written word is what leads me to believe you lack the ability to read.

Perhaps I should clarify and just call you merely functionally illiterate.

I can understand quite well, thank you. As far as your diagnosis concerning my reading ability, who cares?

Seems all you got when someone disagrees with you is to pull the teacher grading the homework crap. I appreciate your hard work in trying to correct my errors in the ways of crap that doesn't matter.

There's no need to clarify. Like I said, your games been the same since day one. You're quite easy to figure out.

[J Diddy]

No one was hating on Pioli for anything just for being hired.

Trading for Cassel destroyed our draft value.

Todd Haley was not exactly a stellar HC candidate.

The defensive staff they've put together sucks.

Moving to a 3-4 is shitting on the value of Glenn Dorsey.

I'm sorry if I'm not lining up to suck his dick because he signed Terrance Copper, Zach Thomas, and Sean Ryan.




Maybe you should become a steelers fan.

[ArrowheadMagic]

No one was hating on Pioli for anything just for being hired.

Trading for Cassel destroyed our draft value.

Todd Haley was not exactly a stellar HC candidate.

The defensive staff they've put together sucks.

Moving to a 3-4 is shitting on the value of Glenn Dorsey.

I'm sorry if I'm not lining up to suck his dick because he signed Terrance Copper, Zach Thomas, and Sean Ryan.So KC cant draft Sanchez now?

[Mecca]

Maybe you should become a steelers fan.

That's really not a response to what he said...I don't like the Cassel move either and most of this board didn't want him before the trade.

[J Diddy]

That's really not a response to what he said...I don't like the Cassel move either and most of this board didn't want him before the trade.


Hey there Mecca.


My response to that point was already addressed. His bitching about everything the chiefs have done was why I posted that.

That being said, I'm pretty sure we don't need a hall monitor.

[ArrowheadMagic]

If Matrix took Sanchez after the Cassell trade(CP mock) how has the value changed?

[ArrowheadMagic]

Judging by the Hamas/Matrix pic of him with a bag of poop .... wouldnt be surprised all his football knowledge comes from wikipedia... but damn.... he knows his english.

[Pioli Zombie]

I still don't buy the Rams not taking advantage of their situation. The team with the pick with one top qb prospect left with mutiple teams desperate for a qb not trying to trade down? I don't buy the smokescreen that they are just all sitting back all cozy with their OT selection when they could flip picks with Seattle or Cleveland and still get either Smith or Monroe.

And if the Rams ARE stupid enough to just draft Smith at #2 then I've got to believe the Chiefs will do everything they can to use that position to trade down.
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[Pioli Zombie]

Absolutely. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. And so far, Scott Pioli has proven that he's good at making trades with his old buddies, and nothing else, yet everyone is anointing his feet with oil and proclaiming him the Gary Kasparov of NFL personnel moves for trading for a QB that no one here wanted until we got him.
Yes because that is the key to being a great GM, acquiring the player the fans at Chiefs Planet approve of.
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[htismaqe]

I still don't buy the Rams not taking advantage of their situation. The team with the pick with one top qb prospect left with mutiple teams desperate for a qb not trying to trade down? I don't buy the smokescreen that they are just all sitting back all cozy with their OT selection when they could flip picks with Seattle or Cleveland and still get either Smith or Monroe.

And if the Rams ARE stupid enough to just draft Smith at #2 then I've got to believe the Chiefs will do everything they can to use that position to trade down.
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I agree all the way.

I'm really worried about the Rams, because I think they're "all in" on the "come get Mark Sanchez" derby.

[htismaqe]

Yes because that is the key to being a great GM, acquiring the player the fans at Chiefs Planet approve of.
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I agree.

On the surface, this all seems pretty unspectacular. But I remember thinking that BB was running the Patriots into the ground early-on too. I remember chatting on here (or maybe the Star) for the Ty Warren/Marcus Stroud draft and it sure looked like the Pats were destined for failure...

[the Talking Can]

man, there are whiny ass pussies on this thread

holy crap people...get some air

[Mr. Arrowhead]

That's really not a response to what he said...I don't like the Cassel move either and most of this board didn't want him before the trade.
I dont think most people didnt mind him, but they just didnt wanna give up the 3rd overall pick, i think if you asked most people on here they would gladly give up the 2nd rounder for him and a starting LB.

[eazyb81]

I agree.

On the surface, this all seems pretty unspectacular. But I remember thinking that BB was running the Patriots into the ground early-on too. I remember chatting on here (or maybe the Star) for the Ty Warren/Marcus Stroud draft and it sure looked like the Pats were destined for failure...

I would understand heavily doubting all these moves if Pioli didn't have a track record, but he does, and an incredible one at that.

You may not like all the moves and they may not be what you would have done, but at some point you kind of have to realize the guy obviously knows what he's doing and give him the benefit of the doubt for at least a year or two.

[chiefzilla1501]

No one was hating on Pioli for anything just for being hired.

Trading for Cassel destroyed our draft value.

Todd Haley was not exactly a stellar HC candidate.

The defensive staff they've put together sucks.

Moving to a 3-4 is shitting on the value of Glenn Dorsey.

I'm sorry if I'm not lining up to suck his dick because he signed Terrance Copper, Zach Thomas, and Sean Ryan.

I think you're a little tough on some of these claims. Trading for Cassel didn't decimate draft value. They still have it--they can still choose to draft Sanchez and trade Cassel for about the same value or they can choose to draft Sanchez and then trade Sanchez as trade bait. I would argue that it added draft value because it meant there is one less position to upgrade. Most experts believe the Chiefs got an absolute steal, so you're in the minority on this.

Haley, I'm not gung-ho about him either. But I think it's wrong to say he's "not so stellar." He's a high risk, high reward guy.

As for the move to the 3-4, I don't think you build the defense around one guy. I hate that it makes Dorsey less effective, but it's exactly this reason that so many teams pass up the chance to run a 3-4 even though it's a provenly very effective defense. You should never handcuff a coach to a scheme a previous coach was trying to put in place.

Finally, I think you're downplaying a lot of good free agency moves they've made. I like that Pioli recognize that this team has an overwhelming amount of immediate needs. And so what he has done is bring in a lot of stopgaps, as if to say "we need you for 1-2 years until we have enough draft picks to find your replacement." And so they brought in guys like Goff, Engram, Thomas, Vrabel to serve as stopgaps who can serve you now, and easily be cut in the next 2 years.

I think it's too soon to sing the guy's praises, but most experts have been saying that Pioli's had a real good offseason so far.

[htismaqe]

I dont think most people didnt mind him, but they just didnt wanna give up the 3rd overall pick, i think if you asked most people on here they would gladly give up the 2nd rounder for him and a starting LB.

This.

I was against Cassel for the #3. For the #34, I don't mind nearly as much.

[Stryker]

And the Louisiana Purchase continues...

[Coogs]

All the experts are switching their mock drafts to it suddenly and I just heard Mortenson say that the Chiefs and Tyson were a done deal, and he said it as though it were a sure thing. Hmmm. thoughts?

I still have a hard time believing anyone really knows what Pioli wants to do. I can believe that it could be common knowledge we are trying to trade down, because other teams could be leaking that info. But what player we are targeting IMO has to be a guess at best when you consider how tight lipped they have been about everything up to this point.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

This.

I was against Cassel for the #3. For the #34, I don't mind nearly as much.

Exactly and if Sanchez goes #2 it will look even better. We'd be looking at another year of Thigpen without the Cassel deal.

[TEX]

I still don't buy the Rams not taking advantage of their situation. The team with the pick with one top qb prospect left with mutiple teams desperate for a qb not trying to trade down? I don't buy the smokescreen that they are just all sitting back all cozy with their OT selection when they could flip picks with Seattle or Cleveland and still get either Smith or Monroe.

And if the Rams ARE stupid enough to just draft Smith at #2 then I've got to believe the Chiefs will do everything they can to use that position to trade down.
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This.

[htismaqe]

Exactly and if Sanchez goes #2 it will look even better. We'd be looking at another year of Thigpen without the Cassel deal.

EXCELLENT point.

[Jerm]

I love how all these "experts" have had us taking Curry seemingly forever now and then suddenly change it at the last second to Jackson.

They have no clue, like the rest of us. It's a guess....for all we know, Pioli and co. are going to take someone that no one has been talking about.

[Pioli Zombie]

I agree.

On the surface, this all seems pretty unspectacular. But I remember thinking that BB was running the Patriots into the ground early-on too. I remember chatting on here (or maybe the Star) for the Ty Warren/Marcus Stroud draft and it sure looked like the Pats were destined for failure...
Don't feel bad. Most Patriot fans moan and groan every draft because they don't go after the "sexy" picks. They do boring things like trade down or trade to stockpile picks in future years and they collect a lot of third and fourth round picks. Fans always say "WTF are they doing?"and the Patriots keep winning.
They were 2 defensive stops from going all the way in 2006 and 2007 remember.

So it won't surprise me at all people are suicidal after today.

Just keep in mind Pioli learned from BB who learned from Jimmy Johnson. You stockpile picks to give you choices and options year after year, you target the players in each round you think will fit your team, and when its time that player is available at the value you want him you go get him. Pioli has a list of 20 guys he wants. And every player the Chiefs draft this weekend will be on that list, whether the fans know them or like it.
And the Chiefs will get better.
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[the Talking Can]

Don't feel bad. Most Patriot fans moan and groan every draft because they don't go after the "sexy" picks. They do boring things like trade down or trade to stockpile picks in future years and they collect a lot of third and fourth round picks. Fans always say "WTF are they doing?"and the Patriots keep winning.
They were 2 defensive stops from going all the way in 2006 and 2007 remember.

So it won't surprise me at all people are suicidal after today.

Just keep in mind Pioli learned from BB who learned from Jimmy Johnson. You stockpile picks to give you choices and options year after year, you target the players in each round you think will fit your team, and when its time that player is available at the value you want him you go get him. Pioli has a list of 20 guys he wants. And every player the Chiefs draft this weekend will be on that list, whether the fans know them or like it.
And the Chiefs will get better.
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totally agree

i just can't throw a fit until i see it on the field.....I knew we were fucked the minute we hired Herm, everyone knew it....Haley and Pioli get time to do things, even things I'm not thrilled about like trading for Cassel....

[htismaqe]

Don't feel bad.

I won't.

But alot of people here will.

[The Bad Guy]

Don't feel bad. Most Patriot fans moan and groan every draft because they don't go after the "sexy" picks. They do boring things like trade down or trade to stockpile picks in future years and they collect a lot of third and fourth round picks. Fans always say "WTF are they doing?"and the Patriots keep winning.
They were 2 defensive stops from going all the way in 2006 and 2007 remember.

So it won't surprise me at all people are suicidal after today.

Just keep in mind Pioli learned from BB who learned from Jimmy Johnson. You stockpile picks to give you choices and options year after year, you target the players in each round you think will fit your team, and when its time that player is available at the value you want him you go get him. Pioli has a list of 20 guys he wants. And every player the Chiefs draft this weekend will be on that list, whether the fans know them or like it.
And the Chiefs will get better.
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Amen.

But then we will have our experts on here come around and tell us why x player sucks.

[suds79]

I just don't get it.

If they take Jackson, it's obviously a move to fill a need at the 3-4 DE spot.

But the NT us much harder to find.

So if they're going to reach in some way, why not at least take Raji?

[KCrockaholic]

I just don't get it.

If they take Jackson, it's obviously a move to fill a need at the 3-4 DE spot.

But the NT us much harder to find.

So if they're going to reach in some way, why not at least take Raji?

I have to agree.

I hope this whole Tyson Jackson thing was just some big rumor that spread like wildfire. I dont think Pioli would have tipped off anyone to think we would take Jackson eve if we are. Hes smarter than that.

[Archie Bunker]

I just don't get it.

If they take Jackson, it's obviously a move to fill a need at the 3-4 DE spot.

But the NT us much harder to find.

So if they're going to reach in some way, why not at least take Raji?

Personally I don't Raji is a Pioli type player. Questionable smarts and called the laziest player on the team by a previous coaching staff; those things don't fit the "profile" at all.

Hell, maybe they have their NT in Tank.

[suds79]

Personally I don't Raji is a Pioli type player. Questionable smarts and called the laziest player on the team by a previous coaching staff; those things don't fit the "profile" at all.

Hell, maybe they have their NT in Tank.

Yeah maybe that's it.

As for Tank, while he has the name for the spot :P, he doesn't have the lbs if the Chiefs site is right.

306 lbs won't cut it.

[eazyb81]

Yeah maybe that's it.

As for Tank, while he has the name for the spot :P, he doesn't have the lbs if the Chiefs site is right.

306 lbs won't cut it.

Tank said a few days ago on a radio interview that while he was listed at 306, his playing weight last year was in the 320s.

[salame]

I like Tank as well plus I still think if we use Dorsey at all it will be at the DE spot, there is just no way he can be a good NT

[Mr. Krab]

I just hope they can trade down before they take Jackson.

[irishjayhawk]

Strike 5?

If they take, Jackson, I'm gonna be pissed.

Rookie head coach, shit coaching staff, two shit trades and a shit #3 overall.

Damn, dude, you're that far down so far?

[irishjayhawk]

No one was hating on Pioli for anything just for being hired.

Trading for Cassel destroyed our draft value.

Todd Haley was not exactly a stellar HC candidate.

The defensive staff they've put together sucks.

Moving to a 3-4 is shitting on the value of Glenn Dorsey.

I'm sorry if I'm not lining up to suck his dick because he signed Terrance Copper, Zach Thomas, and Sean Ryan.

I agree with the bold. And I halfheartedly agree with Cassell hurting our draft value.

But I'm not sure that's a reason to gather the pitchforks and torches.

[Mecca]

In fairness here the Patriots draft history is so-so, they aren't the Colts here who have a glowing one.

[eazyb81]

Bookmark it.

Tyson Jackson is going to eventually be a dominant player in our defense.

[SAUTO]

I dont think most people didnt mind him, but they just didnt wanna give up the 3rd overall pick, i think if you asked most people on here they would gladly give up the 2nd rounder for him and a starting LB.

if you go back the consensus was we shouldnt spend the #3 on him, that s all anyone talked about. now that we got him for the #34 WITH a poss. starting LB people SHOULD, and rightfully so, change their minds especially after watching some tape of cassel, who, by the way, sanchez compares with VERY favorably.

[SAUTO]

What's wrong with that?

I think that's better than watching everyone talk about how they didn't want Cassel then flipping their stance.

you keep saying this, once again people didnt want him AT 3, again AT 3, therefore the ones who DIDNT WANT HIM AT 3, DIDNT CHANGE THEIR STANCE AT ALL. we didnt use the #3 for him did we?

[RippedmyFlesh]

In fairness here the Patriots draft history is so-so, they aren't the Colts here who have a glowing one.
I know you cant do this but if you take WR out of the picture NE has done well drafting. Bad WR choices is what brings their over all draft success closer to the pack. That being said haley corrects that.

[Mecca]

Comments like "Derek Anderson 2.0" don't speak to that theory, sorry.

[Mecca]

I know you cant do this but if you take WR out of the picture NE has done well drafting. Bad WR choices is what brings their over all draft success closer to the pack. That being said haley corrects that.

They've whiffed on offensive skill positions in general...good with lineman...outside of Mayo pretty bad with LB's, ok with safeties, really bad at corner outside of Samuel.

Basically they were really good at taking lineman when you get to the other positions it's pretty iffy.

[SAUTO]

Comments like "Derek Anderson 2.0" don't speak to that theory, sorry.

you guys were saying that, what do they call you?? draftsomethings, like i said most were against using the #3, when most found out it was the #34 THEIR MIND CHANGED. say what you want but you are wrong the only way you would be right is if we used the #3 on him because thats all that was discussed

[Mecca]

Go pull the Hamas post with all the quotes.

[The Bad Guy]

What will be hilarious is if Sanchez does go 2, what the Cassel haters will say then.

It will be hilarious to hear the "He ruined our draft position" nonsense.

[dirk digler]

I was hoping that I was having a bad dream last night but I guess not.

Bummer

[RippedmyFlesh]

They've whiffed on offensive skill positions in general...good with lineman...outside of Mayo pretty bad with LB's, ok with safeties, really bad at corner outside of Samuel.

Basically they were really good at taking lineman when you get to the other positions it's pretty iffy.
Which works out good for us this year.Prob not looking at say CB early ,like I said I think haley cures the bad eye for WR, so this draft should be right in his wheel house

[SAUTO]

Go pull the Hamas post with all the quotes.

couldnt find it doesnt matter though, the discussion was about the #3 once again did we trade the #3 for him?

[SAUTO]

What will be hilarious is if Sanchez does go 2, what the Cassel haters will say then.

It will be hilarious to hear the "He ruined our draft position" nonsense.

THIS but it would probably totally fuck us

[Mecca]

If Sanchez isn't on the board when the Chiefs pick there are going to be severe issues no matter what.

[The Bad Guy]

THIS but it would probably totally **** us

It would only fuck us if you believe there's no other option in this draft but to trade down.

I'm not in that group.

[Mecca]

I don't really think a team in the Chiefs position can afford to only have 1 pick on the first day of the draft.

[SAUTO]

It would only fuck us if you believe there's no other option in this draft but to trade down.

I'm not in that group.

who you got?(sorry if you've covered it)