ESPN saying Dorsey could be traded to ATL

[Sure-Oz]

Heard on 610 sports there is a report of a possibility from ESPN of Dorsey getting traded to ATL for the 24th pick and 90th overall....

edit-24th pick overall not 21st

[irishjayhawk]

I can only hope.

EDIT: Whoops, misread. Thought this was the Rd1 and Rd2 rumor of yesteryear.

[DaKCMan AP]

:hmmm:

[irishjayhawk]

I should correct myself: I only hope that's true if he's a guy that doesn't fit the scheme. Personally, the coaching staff is deserving of the blame for last year.

[Tribal Warfare]

Now, if this happens I'll be pissed for that value

[Stewie]

We've given up on him already? If it's true, I guess we're to expect wholesale changes beyond what I thought were wholesale changes.

[Thig Lyfe]

BOLDIN PLZ

[Mr. Arrowhead]

has nothing to do with giving up on, but it has everything to do with, that he dont fit our system at all

[jeffery]

BOLDIN PLZ

This
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[keg in kc]

That's the kind of move that could haunt a franchise for years.

I still don't think there's anything to it.

[Nightfyre]

I would be pissed. To say the least.

[The Bad Guy]

I'll be furious.

[Sure-Oz]

I'd want more than the 21st and 90th, they'd better add another pick or a higher 2nd pick after that 1st rounder

[the Talking Can]

hmmm........

[Nightfyre]

I haven't seen it on ESPN yet either...

[irishjayhawk]

Whoops, I misread. I was thinking the Round 1 and Round 2 picks like the earlier rumor.

[jeffery]

I'd want more than the 21st and 90th, they'd better add another pick or a higher 2nd pick after that 1st rounder

That's what I'm thinkin is we better get there 1st.
, 2cd and 4th
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[the Talking Can]

there has to be some other issue with dorsey....health or something

[kcfanXIII]

trading doresy only makes sense if we go to a pure 3-4. if we run the hybrid like some have suggested, he fits and there is no reason to trade. he's going to be a stud i think.

[Fish]

Terrible terrible idea. They would regret this....

[Sure-Oz]

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest

Report: Glenn Dorsey trade still possible

April 25, 2009 1:40 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Bill Williamson
Dorsey

A league source said it is still a possibility that Kansas City trades second-year defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey to Atlanta. Likely compensation would be the Falcons' first-round pick in Saturday's draft, No. 24, and their third-round pick, No. 90.

Will this trade happen? We'll see in the next several hours.

Dorsey was the No. 5 overall pick last season. He had a somewhat disappointing rookie season but he is still considered an elite prospect. However, Dorsey may not be a perfect fit for the 3-4 defensive scheme Kansas City is adopting.

If Dorsey is dealt, Kansas City will have to find impact players in this draft to play in the new scheme. Drafting former LSU defensive end Tyson Jackson would be the first step. If the Chiefs take former Boston College defensive tackle B.J. Raji at No. 3, the Dorsey trade talks could still be alive because Raji is considered a perfect 3-4 nose tackle.

Trading Dorsey would be somewhat risky because the organization invested greatly in Dorsey. Trading the No. 5 overall pick a year after he was drafted is highly unusual. But if Dorsey doesn't fit the new system, at least Kansas City can recoup two picks for him.

[eazyb81]

Totally don't buy this story.

If we get Tyson Jackson, we are going to have a lot of talent on our line and will have the versatility to play well in a 4-3 or 3-4.

[Tribal Warfare]

Bill Williamson is the person reporting about this of possibly happening from ESPN

He needs to die in an AIDS fire doused with antifreeze

[Sure-Oz]

He needs to die in an AIDS fire doused with antifreeze

ROFL

I edited the post with the link and article of big bill hehe

[DaKCMan AP]

but.. but.. I <3 my dorsey jersey :sulk:

[keg in kc]

Dorsey for a low 1st and a 3rd would be a fucking horrible trade.

[The Bad Guy]

There is no fucking reason to do this.

This draft is not deep by any stretch of the imagination. Trading Dorsey, eating his bonus, for the 24th overall fucking sucks to the highest level.

[58kcfan89]

but.. but.. I <3 my dorsey jersey :sulk:

This.

Moving Dorsey right now would be epically stupid. I have no problems with anything they've done so far, but I would have a major problem with this.

[googlegoogle]

Indi wants a DT. Thought Dorsey could transition to end.

[chiefsfan1963]

the 24th pick will get us back our 2nd and having an extra pick in the 3rd would be nice! I like this trade. :clap:

[DaKCMan AP]

the 24th pick will get us back our 2nd and having an extra pick in the 3rd would be nice! I like this trade. :clap:

Yeah, but you're a dumbass.

[doomy3]

I REALLY hope this isn't true.

[Nightfyre]

Yeah, but you're a dumbass.

My thought just echoed in DaKCMan's post.

[Delano]

Yeah, but you're a dumbass.

Out of a possible infinite responses, yours is the best.

[irishjayhawk]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

hama&mecca swap poop tag.

[kstater]

There is no fucking reason to do this.


IF IF IF, they don't think Dorsey fits the new D scheme, getting 2 draft picks for a person who won't give you quality minutes isn't that bad.

[wild1]

I'd like to see him stay. based on what i saw from him in college, I still want to see what he can do with a coaching staff that isn't comprised of chimps

[keg in kc]

IF IF IF, they don't think Dorsey fits the new D scheme, getting 2 draft picks for a person who won't give you quality minutes isn't that bad.That's way, way, way too little value for Dorsey. He was the 5th pick last year and we'd be eating millions in signing bonus. Getting a low 1st and a low 3rd for that is a bend over and take it up the keyster kind of trade. I wouldn't even do it for a low 1st and a high 2nd.

Might think about it for a 1st, 3rd and next years 1st, though. But not 24 and 90.

[DTLB58]

I'd like to see him stay. based on what i saw from him in college, I still want to see what he can do with a coaching staff that isn't comprised of chimps

Don't forget one of those Chimps (Krummrie) his position coach is STILL here.

[Al Bundy]

That's way, way, way too little value for Dorsey. He was the 5th pick last year and we'd be eating millions in signing bonus. Getting a low 1st and a low 3rd for that is a bend over and take it up the keyster kind of trade. I wouldn't even do it for a low 1st and a high 2nd.

Might think about it for a 1st, 3rd and next years 1st, though. But not 24 and 90.

Gotta remember this regime isn't married to Dorsey at all.

[KCrockaholic]

Do it now!

[The Bad Guy]

the 24th pick will get us back our 2nd and having an extra pick in the 3rd would be nice! I like this trade. :clap:

Even more reason to hate it.

[KCrockaholic]

IF IF IF, they don't think Dorsey fits the new D scheme, getting 2 draft picks for a person who won't give you quality minutes isn't that bad.

exactly

[keg in kc]

Gotta remember this regime isn't married to Dorsey at all.That doesn't mean he has no objective value.

[kstater]

That's way, way, way too little value for Dorsey. He was the 5th pick last year and we'd be eating millions in signing bonus. Getting a low 1st and a low 3rd for that is a bend over and take it up the keyster kind of trade. I wouldn't even do it for a low 1st and a high 2nd.

Might think about it for a 1st, 3rd and next years 1st, though. But not 24 and 90.

That number, 5th overall, means absolutely nothing to anyone of importance in the organization if his skills don't fit the defensive scheme.

[Mecca]

We are going to shoehorn in a defensive scheme whether we have the players or not, the ones that don't fit 5th pick or not are going to be gone.

That's how it works with these guys.

[Al Bundy]

That doesn't mean he has no objective value.

You are correct but this could also mean there is this deal plus others in the works between the Chiefs and the Falcons, whose to say the Falcons won't be overpaying in a trade for say.. Brian Waters?

[007]

no way

[keg in kc]

We are going to shoehorn in a defensive scheme whether we have the players or not, the ones that don't fit 5th pick or not are going to be gone.

That's how it works with these guys.It's one thing to be gone. It's another thing to literally give a player away. Which is what the terms of the trade in the header would be. That's a six-pack and bag of nachos kind of deal for a top 5 pick in his second year in the league. It's not a smart football move. And I think these guys at least try to make smart football moves.

[The_Doctor10]

I'd like to see him stay. based on what i saw from him in college, I still want to see what he can do with a coaching staff that isn't comprised of chimps

Hey, a room full of chimps given enough time will eventually bang out the works of Shakespeare.

Last year's defensive staff may have been lucky to bang out a few passable Little Critter books. Not good ones, because those things were awesome. But mediocre...

[Tribal Warfare]

If you think about it this might happen since Dorsey didn't even attend the recent minicamp held by Haley/Pioli

[KCrockaholic]

If you think about it this might happen since Dorsey didn't even attend the recent minicamp held by Haley/Pioli

Didnt realize this. If so, hes definately gone.

[googlegoogle]

I trust Pioli. I trust Dayton Moore.

I don't trust members of chiefsplanet.

[keg in kc]

I trust Pioli. I trust Dayton Moore.

I don't trust members of chiefsplanet.You can trust me.

What's your ssn again?

[irishjayhawk]

If you think about it this might happen since Dorsey didn't even attend the recent minicamp held by Haley/Pioli

He didn't?

[Mojo Jojo]

It's one thing to be gone. It's another thing to literally give a player away. Which is what the terms of the trade in the header would be. That's a six-pack and bag of nachos kind of deal for a top 5 pick in his second year in the league. It's not a smart football move. And I think these guys at least try to make smart football moves.

Who is to say he wasn't drafted too high last year. He was a safe pick that dropped to the Chiefs. I would trust Pioli's record over yours.

[Tribal Warfare]

He didn't?


it was Dorsey, Gonzalez, , Croyle, and Waters were the notables that missed "for personal or injury related issues"

[Mecca]

I trust Pioli. I trust Dayton Moore.

I don't trust members of chiefsplanet.

Dayton Moore signed Farnsworth!

[KCrockaholic]

I thought Haley talked about Dorsey playing "undertackle" in his mini-camp??????????

[keg in kc]

Who is to say he wasn't drafted too high last year. He was a safe pick that dropped to the Chiefs. I would trust Pioli's record over yours.I would too.

Which still doesn't mean I'm going to assume we're trading Dorsey for a box of doughnuts.

[keg in kc]

I thought Haley talked about Dorsey playing "undertackle" in his mini-camp??????????I think Dorsey was there.

[Ultra Peanut]

Switching to a defensive scheme that (a) everyone else is also switching to and (b) doesn't utilize the few decent (and expensive) pieces you have is pretty fucking retarded in the fist place.

[KCrockaholic]

I think Dorsey was there.

I thought so too. Does Tribal have any link to this?

[Mecca]

Switching to a defensive scheme that (a) everyone else is also switching to and (b) doesn't utilize the few decent (and expensive) pieces you have is pretty fucking retarded in the fist place.

This is what these guys do...Eric Mangini is a good example of it.

[milkman]

Who is to say he wasn't drafted too high last year. He was a safe pick that dropped to the Chiefs. I would trust Pioli's record over yours.

He wasn't a safe pick.

He was considered the best player in the draft, at a premium position.

There were concerns about his knees.

[Nightfyre]

Mort just talked about dorsey to the falcons again. we better get their entire draft this year and next.

[VonneMarie]

Mort just talked about dorsey to the falcons again. we better get their entire draft this year and next.

Now that I would be ok with.

[Sure-Oz]

OMG THE LIONS TOOK STAFFORD!!!1111111111

[htismaqe]

He wasn't a safe pick.

He was considered the best player in the draft, at a premium position.

There were concerns about his knees.

Exactly.

[htismaqe]

Mort just talked about dorsey to the falcons again. we better get their entire draft this year and next.

No chance.

We'll be lucky to get a late 1st rounder.

[PastorMikH]

Dorsey for 1 20's of the first round pick isn't enough IMO.


I really think Dorsey will be a force. I just don't understand why so many people are ready to give up on a player after their first season. The transition from college to pros is huge. Give players some time.

[chiefsfan1963]

What was our D ranked last year? :)


DUMBASSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[htismaqe]

Dorsey for 1 20's of the first round pick isn't enough IMO.


I really think Dorsey will be a force. I just don't understand why so many people are ready to give up on a player after their first season. The transition from college to pros is huge. Give players some time.

It's possible they don't think he fits the scheme. In that case, no amount of talent is going to make him a good player here.

It's also ENTIRELY possible that he's not healthy. There were concerns about lower leg problems (shin splints? don't remember exactly) when he came out and maybe the Chiefs fell in love with him and ignored his health?

[PastorMikH]

It's possible they don't think he fits the scheme. In that case, no amount of talent is going to make him a good player here.

It's also ENTIRELY possible that he's not healthy. There were concerns about lower leg problems (shin splints? don't remember exactly) when he came out and maybe the Chiefs fell in love with him and ignored his health?


I've heard several say he fit the mold for a NT in a 3-4. Why doesn't he fit a 3-4? He compares in size to several that have played NT, a little smaller than a few others, but he's smaller than Pittsburg's NT by only 20 lbs. Is it speed, experience, why couldn't he play? Just curious.


I have wondered about the knee of Dorsey - those take time to heal.

[Mojo Jojo]

He wasn't a safe pick.

He was considered the best player in the draft, at a premium position.

There were concerns about his knees.

Yes he was and you just made my argument for me. WAS considered, but wasn't selected until 5th. Why? questions about his health. Carl and Herm select him and can say he was considered the best. There is a reason players slip.

[TEX]

Heard on 610 sports there is a report of a possibility from ESPN of Dorsey getting traded to ATL for the 24th pick and 90th overall....

edit-24th pick overall not 21st

Hope so. Dorsey BLOWS.

[milkman]

Yes he was and you just made my argument for me. WAS considered, but wasn't selected until 5th. Why? questions about his health. Carl and Herm select him and can say he was considered the best. There is a reason players slip.

A player who has injury questions is NOT a safe pick.

[Nightfyre]

Hope so. Dorsey BLOWS.

Wow. Judging him by his rookie season tells me exactly how uneducated you are in the area.

[TEX]

Wow. Judging him by his rookie season tells me exactly how uneducated you are in the area.

LOL! I trust my eyes. Said the same thing about Ryan Sims and every other 1st day D Linemen the Chiefs have drafted of late. Or are you still waiting on them to show you something?? :rolleyes:

I'd bet you anything that the Chiefs even feel that Dorsey is NOT the player they thought he was based on his performance thus far. For whatever reason, Dorsey BLOWS.

[Nightfyre]

LOL! I trust my eyes. Said the same thing about Ryan Sims and every other 1st day D Linemen the Chiefs have drafted of late. Are you still waiting on them to show you something?? :rolleyes:

DTs take 2-3 years to develop. I'd bet he will make you eat your words, given the opportunity.

[TEX]

DTs take 2-3 years to develop. I'd bet he will make you eat your words, given the opportunity.

We shall see. Did you say that about Sims, Freeman, and Siavii too?
Your statement is true for the most part but mostly when said players show "something" at times. The only thing Dorsey has shown is that he gets injured and can easily be manhandled on a regular basis.

[htismaqe]

We shall see. Did you say that about Sims, Freeman, and Siavii too?
Your statement is true for the most part but mostly when said players show "something" at times. The only thing Dorsey has shown is that he gets injured and can easily be manhandled on a regular basis.

I said the same thing about Sims and I was wrong.

Freeman is impossible to judge - many of us that defended him

1) had no idea he's smash people in the face with a helmet and

2) thought he should be a DT and our coaches insisted on moving him to DE where he didn't belong.

As for Siavii, fuck him.