Toronto Blue Jays @ Kansas City Royals 4/27

[petegz28]

Sorry...seems like we don't get the alnorth joo-joo tonight...

[petegz28]

Looks like no DDJ tonight as we have Bloomquist in LF......and Bannister is wondering what a strike looks like at the moment

[petegz28]

And he walks his 2nd of the inning.....

[petegz28]

1-0 as the lead off walk comes to score since we couldn't turn the DP.....

[DeezNutz]

Surprised that Olivo is still continuing to get most of the starts.

[petegz28]

Surprised that Olivo is still continuing to get most of the starts.

Me too.....very. Especially after his horrible display at the plate yesterday.

[Nzoner]

is this on tv tonight?

[petegz28]

Awful nice of the Ump there to call ball 4 as strike 1....

[petegz28]

is this on tv tonight?
yes

[KCUnited]

Glad they decided to rest DeCurry, cold night vs. a lefty. Good call.

[petegz28]

JOSE!!! Welcome back MF'r!!!!

[VonneMarie]

WOOOHOOOOOOO!

[petegz28]

That's 3 rbi's in 2 games for Jose

[petegz28]

WTF? We sat DDJ and Jacobs so Olivo and Buck could play?

GTFO!

[petegz28]

I guess Hillman didn't see Olivo and Buck strike out enough yesterday?

[DeezNutz]

WTF? We sat DDJ and Jacobs so Olivo and Buck could play?

GTFO!

I'm fine with Jacobs sitting against a LHSP.

[petegz28]

I'm fine with Jacobs sitting against a LHSP.

I'm sorry, I don't put both Olivo and Buck in the same lineup right now...



As Buck whiffs on a 3-2 pitch.....

And the thing is...we can't pinch hit for either of them. We are stuck with the both of them for the whole game. That is just stupid.

[petegz28]

Gaem update:

Det 4 Yanks 0
Twins 0 Rays 2

[VonneMarie]

Nice, Banny.

[VonneMarie]

AC with the 10 game hitting streak. Nice...

[petegz28]

Fuck..we can't move runners for shit......

[kchero]

Gaem update:

Det 4 Yanks 0
Twins 0 Rays 2

I hate saying this, but come on yankees! (I feel like washing my mouth now)

[ChiefsRoyalsMizzou]

I hate saying this, but come on yankees! (I feel like washing my mouth now)

you should

[BWillie]

The woman beater is up to .389 now. The guy is a machine. He even walks too. I thought he was a fluke last year, but I looked up his minor league stats and he's always been a great contact hitter. He has never sucked. I think he batted under .300 once in his minor league career it was BARELY under .300

Aviles is gonna be shakin' in his boots once Gordon comes back

[petegz28]

That's the 2nd ****ing time they have tagged from 1st base....

Avilles YOU SUCK!

[petegz28]

5th walk by Bannister....all 3 runners on base never had to hit the fucking ball!

[petegz28]

God damn it Teahen!!!! This pitcher is walking everyone and you swing and the first fucking pitch and hit into a DP!

[SAUTO]

The woman beater is up to .389 now. The guy is a machine. He even walks too. I thought he was a fluke last year, but I looked up his minor league stats and he's always been a great contact hitter. He has never sucked. I think he batted under .300 once in his minor league career it was BARELY under .300

Aviles is gonna be shakin' in his boots once Gordon comes back

who beats women?

[petegz28]

who beats women?

AC

[SAUTO]

AC

oooohhhh i thought he was a dui'er

[petegz28]

And a whiff by Butler.....

[BWillie]

who beats women?

Callaspo

[Chiefspants]

no way...olivo with the bomb

[petegz28]

about time Olivo comes through

[solidgold]

Whoo-hoo! There's the big bomb by Olivo.

[Mr. Krab]

Willie with a triple! :eek:

I didn't know he had enough pop to get it to the wall.

[DeezNutz]

Mark your calendars.

Bloomquist attempting to hit for the cycle on the season.

[petegz28]

Game update:

Tigers beat the Yanks 4-2
Twins 0 Rays 2
Sox rained out

[petegz28]

rotten luck there for Teahen

[DeezNutz]

Teahen has swung the bat well since settling in at 3B.

When Gordon returns, I hope he plays 1B.

[VonneMarie]

Mark your calendars.

Bloomquist attempting to hit for the cycle on the season.

LMAO LMAO LMAO

[petegz28]

Teahen has swung the bat well since settling in at 3B.

When Gordon returns, I hope he plays 1B.

He won't...they will remove a good bat like AC to put Teahen at 2nd and keep Butler's weak bat in the lineup.

They need to trade Butler or Gordon. Personally I can't see how either are outplaying Shealy?

[Mr. Krab]

Teahen has swung the bat well since settling in at 3B.

When Gordon returns, I hope he plays 1B.
As far as i'm concerned, they can leave Gordon down at AAA for rehab assignment until he starts hitting the ball.

[DeezNutz]

He won't...they will remove a good bat like AC to put Teahen at 2nd and keep Butler's weak bat in the lineup.

They need to trade Butler or Gordon. Personally I can't see how either are outplaying Shealy?

And when they go back to moving Teahen every fucking night, they'll wonder why his offensive production dips.

He's every bit the glove as Gordon at 3B. Sorry Alex, time to move your ass to 1B. And you need to start swinging it while we're at it.

Butler can still see some time in the field. Gordon will DH on these occasions. Other than that, DH Jacobs and Butler as appropriate.

[petegz28]

Another 4-pitch walk. Bannister really has to get that shit under control.....you have a 4 run lead....no need to walk anyone.

[DeezNutz]

As far as i'm concerned, they can leave Gordon down at AAA for rehab assignment until he starts hitting the ball.

I'm fine with this, too.

And when he returns, assuming Teahen is still playing well, stick Alex's ass at 1B.

[petegz28]

And when they go back to moving Teahen every ****ing night, they'll wonder why his offensive production dips.

He's every bit the glove as Gordon at 3B. Sorry Alex, time to move your ass to 1B. And you need to start swinging it while we're at it.

Butler can still see some time in the field. Gordon will DH on these occasions. Other than that, DH Jacobs and Butler as appropriate.

Teahen > Gordon at 3B, imo.

[petegz28]

Jose with #2!!!!!

Fuck yea!

[VonneMarie]

Yay, Guillen.

[DeezNutz]

Teahen > Gordon at 3B, imo.

Tough call. They're pretty similar.

But I guarantee Gordon >>>>> than Jacobs/Butler at 1B, though Butterball has represented himself well. But, based the the scouting projections of Gordon being better at 1B than 3B, I'd like to see how this plays out.

[Chiefspants]

Guillen!

[Chiefless]

Welcome back Jose...

[petegz28]

Tough call. They're pretty similar.

But I guarantee Gordon >>>>> than Jacobs/Butler at 1B, though Butterball has represented himself well. But, based the the scouting projections of Gordon being better at 1B than 3B, I'd like to see how this plays out.

Teahen makes more athletic plays and has a better arm, imo

[petegz28]

God damn Buck! Quit swinging at the 1st pitch you fucking idiot! That was a terrible pitch to hit...

[DeezNutz]

Teahen makes more athletic plays and has a better arm, imo

Gordon has great lateral range. Teahen seems to be more consistently accurate with his throws, though both have above-average arm strength.

[solidgold]

Man, what a game for Jose! Looks like he needed that little break, didn't he? Hopefully, he'll keep this up since the weather is just gonna get warmer.

[petegz28]

Gordon has great lateral range. Teahen seems to be more consistently accurate with his throws, though both have above-average arm strength.

Then put Alice at SS

[petegz28]

Seems the scorekeeper is fucking up...they were showing 2 outs

[petegz28]

Game Update:
Tribe 1, Red Sox 3
Twins 0, Rays 4

[petegz28]

Bloomquist having a good night

[DeezNutz]

Then put Alice at SS

Good range for a CI, not a MI...

Gordon to 1B just makes too much sense. Getting a MI this coming off-season is a MAJOR fucking priority.

[solidgold]

I'm liking the baseball we're playing this inning. Let's get people on base and move some runners more often! We need to really work our small ball.

The Jays just tied Banny in BB's.

[petegz28]

Good range for a CI, not a MI...

Gordon to 1B just makes too much sense. Getting a MI this coming off-season is a MAJOR ****ing priority.

I agre..but they won't do it.

[Reaper16]

Mark your calendars.

Bloomquist attempting to hit for the cycle on the season.
LMAO LMAO LMAO

[petegz28]

I really wish Butler would learn how to take a fucking pitch

[DeezNutz]

I really wish Butler would learn how to take a ****ing pitch

Seitzer just needs to explain things to him in a way that he'll understand:

"Billlayy, pretend you're at a drive-thru...what do you normally say? 'I'll take two,' right? From now on, the batter's box is a fast food drive-thru to you."

[petegz28]

Seitzer just needs to explain things to him in a way that he'll understand:

"Billlayy, pretend you're at a drive-thru...what do you normally say? 'I'll take two,' right? From now on, the batter's box is a fast food drive-thru to you."

LMAO

[petegz28]

Why do you waste Wright in a 7-1 game?

This is where Ramirez, Farnsworth or Mahay need to come in.

[Hootie]

watching this game on MLB.TV...

Just clicked over to the Phillies game though...

Man is Raul Ibanez a stud and a clutch stud at that...

Grand slam to take the lead in the bottom of the 8th...

Why did the Royals ever get rid of this guy? He rules.

[DeezNutz]

watching this game on MLB.TV...

Just clicked over to the Phillies game though...

Man is Raul Ibanez a stud and a clutch stud at that...

Grand slam to take the lead in the bottom of the 8th...

Why did the Royals ever get rid of this guy? He rules.

Because Glass wouldn't pony up 1 mil. Literally.

[teedubya]

Why do you waste Wright in a 7-1 game?

This is where Ramirez, Farnsworth or Mahay need to come in.

no shit. Farnsworth needs to come in and bring the heat that gives up 2-3 runs. LMAO

[solidgold]

Why do you waste Wright in a 7-1 game?

This is where Ramirez, Farnsworth or Mahay need to come in.

Hopefully, Hillman didn't feel the lead was sufficient enough to allow Farnsworth to come in. He might still bring in Soria to pitch the 9 though.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Couple of great Pete-isms in this thread.

Bitch about Olivo in the lineup? Olivo goes BOOM!

[chiefbowe82]

FARNSWORTH IN, this game isn't over yet

[petegz28]

Couple of great Pete-isms in this thread.

Bitch about Olivo in the lineup? Olivo goes BOOM!

No, tard...I bitched about Olivo AND Buck in the same lineup. Try that reading thing again....

[Archie F. Swin]

Fartsworth FTW

[solidgold]

ok, I did the calculation and Farnsworth should only give up 3.56 runs this inning. Praise Curry, we're safe!

[Archie F. Swin]

why does this have to be a 4 game series

[WilliamTheIrish]

No, tard...I bitched about Olivo AND Buck in the same lineup. Try that reading thing again....

I'm glad you're here Pete. You're the one guy that makes Hillman look intelligent.

[petegz28]

I'm glad you're here Pete. You're the one guy that makes Hillman look intelligent.

Yeah, Buck has been fucking stellar tonight...:doh!:

[Jenson71]

atta boy Farnsworth. Working his way up -- sights on Ponson, maybe?

[WilliamTheIrish]

The "Farnz" .... "Aaaaaay"

[GoHuge]

Royals!! F**k yeah!!

Fartsworth....whatever.

[petegz28]

God damn...what a night...

Bloomquist hits a triple
Olivo goes yard
Farnsworth doesn't give up a jack


WOW!

[Jenson71]

Sit on it, Farnsie.

[rrl308]

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!!! PBJ

[petegz28]

my thanks to alnorth, where ever he may be, for giving me the joo-joo for a winning thread

[WilliamTheIrish]

Good story about that old stadium in Toronto by Frank. Anybody remember who hit the first home run in that stadium? No googleing.

He hit two that day actually. And there was a conspicuous absence of something at that game.

[DeezNutz]

And there was a conspicuous absence of something at that game.

Fans?

[Blindside58]

The Crime Dog....and....Nachos?

[WilliamTheIrish]

Fans?


Doug Ault. Hit two HR's. Donnie Moore-ed himself in 04.

The stadium didn't allow beer sales. I remember the story from a 77 S.I.

[WilliamTheIrish]

I miss KC_Conn tonight. These are his boys.

[DeezNutz]

Doug Ault. Hit two HR's. Donnie Moore-ed himself in 04.

The stadium didn't allow beer sales. I remember the story from a 77 S.I.

Damn.

Interesting...

[DeezNutz]

I miss KC_Conn tonight. These are his boys.

How the fuck can anyone be a baseball fan and cheer for a Canadian team? Grounds for exile.

[WilliamTheIrish]

How the **** can anyone be a baseball fan and cheer for a Canadian team? Grounds for exile.

Plus, they drafted and started Danny Ainge at 3b. THE Celtics wanted him so bad they bought out his contract.


Bill James in the 1980 Baseball Abstract described Danny Ainge, Jays 3B, with this:

"Dribble, dribble". LMAO

[DeezNutz]

Plus, they drafted and started Danny Ainge at 3b. THE Celtics wanted him so bad they bought out his contract.


Bill James in the 1980 Baseball Abstract described Danny Ainge, Jays 3B, with this:

"Dribble, dribble". LMAO

ROFL

[KcMizzou]

Damn... if Bannister can keep this (hell, anything close to this) up... it's fantastic news for the Royals.

And how nice is it to have Guillen back?

[KC_Connection]

I miss KC_Conn tonight. These are his boys.
I was at the game. I don't know if I'll go to any more, the pitching matchups all look horrible for the Jays (injuries have killed this team that led the league in ERA last year...they have 5 starters on the DL).

Maybe I'll go see Greinke, though. He's awesome.

[KC_Connection]

How the **** can anyone be a baseball fan and cheer for a Canadian team?
Canadians can't cheer for Canadian teams now?

[WilliamTheIrish]

I was at the game. I don't know if I'll go to any more, the pitching matchups all look horrible for the Jays (injuries have killed this team that led the league in ERA last year...they have 5 starters on the DL).

Maybe I'll go see Greinke, though. He's awesome.

Glad you went. I'm going to (try) to get to both Tuesday and Wednesday games.

[KC_Connection]

I'd also like to say that the Jays will beat you the rest of this series because they are a better team so far, but their record so far shocks me more than anybody. I'm just hoping for a rainout so I don't have to watch Brian Burres pitch again.

[KcMizzou]

Canadians can't cheer for Canadian teams now?I had no idea you were a canuck.

[KC_Connection]

I had no idea you were a canuck.

Me posting in hockey threads wasn't enough of a giveaway? haha

[WilliamTheIrish]

Me posting in hockey threads wasn't enough of a giveaway? haha
No. It was your anger.

[KcMizzou]

Me posting in hockey threads wasn't enough of a giveaway? hahaSheesh... nobody I know (other than Bearcat) reads those. :)

[KC_Connection]

No. It was your anger.

Canadians could never be as angry as this:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/78680/Frank_Fire.jpg

[KcMizzou]

Canadians could never be as angry as this:
I never thought canadians could be angry at all...

[KC_Connection]

Sheesh... nobody I know (other than Bearcat) reads those. :)

True, I suppose.

[DeezNutz]

Me posting in hockey threads wasn't enough of a giveaway? haha

Sorry about that, eehhh. :)

[Deberg_1990]

Holy cow,

If Bannister continues to pitch like this...man oh man...

Meche, Greinke, Davies, Bannister and eventually Hochevar, could really be something special...

Dare to dream.

[KC_Connection]

I never thought canadians could be angry at all...
You should have seen me after last year's Jays/Royals game: http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/KCA/KCA200804250.shtml

****ing David Eckstein...most worthless player ever.

[KcMizzou]

Holy cow,

If Bannister continues to pitch like this...man on man...

Meche, Greinke, Davies, Bannister and eventually Hochevar, could really be something special...

Dare to dream.Whoa... hold up. Settle down now, Perez...

[KC_Connection]

Holy cow,

If Bannister continues to pitch like this...man on man...

Meche, Greinke, Davies, Bannister and eventually Hochevar, could really be something special...

Dare to dream.

I hate to bring you down off your high, but Bannister was actually kind of shitty, today. He walked 6 guys and struck out 2. That kind of pitching isn't sustainable (as a form of success). The Jays sucked worse than they have all season tonight....which is odd considering they lead the majors in runs.

[KcMizzou]

I hate to bring you down off your high, but Bannister was actually kind of shitty, today. He walked 6 guys and struck out 2. That kind of pitching isn't sustainable (as a form of success). The Jays sucked worse than they have all season tonight....which is odd considering they lead the majors in runs.That's just kinda how Bannister is.

When he's been good for us... it seemed to be smoke and mirrors. When he's been bad... he's been really bad.

We got one really good season out of him... one really bad one... and this time around, he's doing well again.

All we need from him is a decent 4th or 5th starter. We're not expecting much.

[Deberg_1990]

I hate to bring you down off your high, but Bannister was actually kind of shitty, today. He walked 6 guys and struck out 2. That kind of pitching isn't sustainable (as a form of success). The Jays sucked worse than they have all season tonight....which is odd considering they lead the majors in runs.

Ive said this many times:

You cant expect too much better out of a #4 pitcher in todays pitching age. 1 hit and 1 earned run. Come on..

[KC_Connection]

That's just kinda how Bannister is.

When he's been good for us... it seemed to be smoke and mirrors. When he's been bad... he's been really bad.

We got one really good season out of him... one really bad one... and this time around, he's doing well again.

All we need from him is a decent 4th or 5th starter. We're not expecting much.

In the long term, a pitcher with his stuff will have to throw strikes a lot better than he was doing tonight to even be a 4th/5th starter. Guys like Burnett can get by with that many walks...but Bannister...not so much.

[KC_Connection]

You cant expect too much better out of a #4 pitcher in todays pitching age. 1 hit and 1 earned run. Come on..
I'm not saying the results tonight weren't good. He battled through some tough situations in the clutch early in the game. I'm just saying that he was pretty lucky to only allow 1 run the way he was pitching, and that that kind of BB to K ratio isn't sustainable as a form of success. He'll need to do better to be in the majors long-term for the Royals (which, judging by his minor league stats, he is capable of).

[KC_Connection]

Willie with a triple! :eek:

I didn't know he had enough pop to get it to the wall.

Vernon Wells was so fat and lazy on this play. He's really regressed from his gold glove days.

[WilliamTheIrish]

No doubt that Bannister danced through a minefield in the 1st and the 3rd. On the other hand, he really bore down and got the big outs he when he needed to.

The K of Wells was the biggest out in the game, imo. He had to have that.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Mark your calendars.

Bloomquist attempting to hit for the cycle on the season.

ROFL

[DeezNutz]

Hochevar 4-0 with a 1.44 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 16 SO, and 7 BB in 25.0 IP at Omaha.

How much longer is that kid going to stay down? Clearly dominating at AAA.

[CaliforniaChief]

Hochevar 4-0 with a 1.44 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 16 SO, and 7 BB in 25.0 IP at Omaha.

How much longer is that kid going to stay down? Clearly dominating at AAA.

I was thinking the same thing. I am excited for him to get to KC.

[tk13]

Well, to Ponson's credit, he's done a servicable job. So for now I'm fine with having Hochevar beat up on AAA pitching. He'll probably be up sooner than later anyway. Hopefully it'll be a Davies situation where going back down was good for him, comes back a better pitcher.

[Bob Dole]

In the long term, a pitcher with his stuff will have to throw strikes a lot better than he was doing tonight to even be a 4th/5th starter. Guys like Burnett can get by with that many walks...but Bannister...not so much.

If you'll look at the postgame, you'll see that he was having trouble gripping the ball because of the constant mist that was falling. A wet, no-seam fastball is going to be tough to control for anyone.

[KC_Connection]

If you'll look at the postgame, you'll see that he was having trouble gripping the ball because of the constant mist that was falling. A wet, no-seam fastball is going to be tough to control for anyone.
Probably true considering Bannister doesn't have a history of walking that many batters.

Purcey could probably make the same excuse, but he's had control problems in most of his starts so far.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Hochevar 4-0 with a 1.44 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 16 SO, and 7 BB in 25.0 IP at Omaha.

How much longer is that kid going to stay down? Clearly dominating at AAA.

it is completely absurd that he is still in AAA, in my opinion. i can think of at least 5 guys off the top of my head who should be in AAA instead of him.

[alnorth]

it is completely absurd that he is still in AAA, in my opinion. i can think of at least 5 guys off the top of my head who should be in AAA instead of him.

At the beginning of the year it may have made sense to forgo the extra year and bring him up, but at this point we are pretty much committed to mid or late May, whatever the necessary date is. It would be silly to throw away a year for the sake of maybe 2 starts.

Fortunately, Ponson and Bannister have (surprisingly) pitched well enough that his absence has not been missed (yet).

[DeezNutz]

At the beginning of the year it may have made sense to forgo the extra year and bring him up, but at this point we are pretty much committed to mid or late May, whatever the necessary date is. It would be silly to throw away a year for the sake of maybe 2 starts.

Fortunately, Ponson and Bannister have (surprisingly) pitched well enough that his absence has not been missed (yet).

This is pretty much my thought process, too.

Hated the decision from the start, but we're in deep enough that we might as well get some practical value out of the deal.

And we better not hear rumors later that service time was indeed the only reason why he was sent down. That shit will/would piss me off to no end. In the meantime, I'll take Dayton at face value.

[CoMoChief]

Well, to Ponson's credit, he's done a servicable job. So for now I'm fine with having Hochevar beat up on AAA pitching. He'll probably be up sooner than later anyway. Hopefully it'll be a Davies situation where going back down was good for him, comes back a better pitcher.

Ponson sucks. Has Always sucked. No reason to sign the guy in the first place. Just like Farnsworth but not as bad really. Theres no real argument here.

[sedated]

Hochevar 4-0 with a 1.44 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 16 SO, and 7 BB in 25.0 IP at Omaha.

How much longer is that kid going to stay down? Clearly dominating at AAA.

I thought I heard the date May 15 in the whole "service time" discussion.

It didn't seem like too long away right out of spring training, but it shure seems a long way away now.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Fortunately, Ponson and Bannister have (surprisingly) pitched well enough that his absence has not been missed (yet).

ponson has done better than expected, but i would still much rather have hochevar in the rotation.

[DeezNutz]

I thought I heard the date May 15 in the whole "service time" discussion.

It didn't seem like too long away right out of spring training, but it shure seems a long way away now.

Going to be quite the coincidence if he's up the week of the 15th...