Toronto Blue Jays @ Kansas City Royals Game Thread (4/29)

[alnorth]

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Zack Greinke is the first pitcher to win 5 games in April in Royals franchise history

Zack Greinke is the MLB Win leader and the AL strikeout leader

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/mlb/teams/20080123/80x60/tor.gif

Loss, (1-1) Brian Tallet 4IP 10R 10ER 3BB 2K
Shawn Camp 2IP 1R 1ER 0BB 0K
Jason Frasor 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Bill Murphy 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K

VS.

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/mlb/teams/20080123/80x60/kan.gif

Win, (5-0) Zack Greinke 7IP 2R 2ER 2BB 8K
Jamey Wright 1IP 1R 0ER 0BB 1K
Juan Cruz 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K

Starting Lineups

TOR

1. Marco Scutaro, SS
1. John McDonald, SS
2. Aaron Hill, 2B
3. Alex Rios, RF
4. Vernon Wells, CF
4. Jose Bautista, CF
5. Adam Lind, DH
6. Scott Rolen, 3B
7. Lyle Overbay, 1B
8. Rod Barajas, C
9. Travis Snider, LF

KC

1. Coco Crisp, CF
1. David DeJesus, RF
2. Willie Bloomquist, LF
3. Mark Teahen, 3B
4. Jose Guillen, RF
4. Mitch Maier, RF/CF
5. Billy Butler, 1B
6. Mike Jacobs, DH
7. Alberto Callaspo, 2B
8. Mike Aviles, SS
8. Tony Pena Jr, ph/SS
9. Miguel Olivo, C

[DeezNutz]

Bonds batting 3rd? WTF?

[alnorth]

Its fairly early, but this is a Zack Greinke start.

[Demonpenz]

it's going to get rained out probably either that or grienke is going to fall to earth

[Demonpenz]

also what the fuck is the deal with the restrooms there at the K 400 fucking million and you can't get a hot dog or piss in a timely fashion? We are going to be building another once soon

[sparkky]

alnorth,
thanks for the thread.

sorry for being out of the loop guys, but what record is Zach going for today that Fatlock mentioned in his column?

[Beerfund]

I really want to see grienke peg a batter and beat the shit out of him when he gets charged.

[CoMoChief]

The bathrooms at the K are not vented well at all. Opening day it smelled awful in there. No doors opened, no air vent, nothing.

[Sure-Oz]

The bathrooms at the K are not vented well at all. Opening day it smelled awful in there. No doors opened, no air vent, nothing.

apparently they dont have enough bathrooms as it is and have porta potties out there from what i heard, wtf

[alnorth]

alnorth,
thanks for the thread.

sorry for being out of the loop guys, but what record is Zach going for today that Fatlock mentioned in his column?

I dont believe anyone has ever gone 7 straight starts with at least 5IP without giving up an earned run. Zack Greinke's tied with two baseball legends (Don Drysdale in 1968, Orel Hershiser in 1988, both for the Dodgers) at 6.

[Stewie]

also what the **** is the deal with the restrooms there at the K 400 ****ing million and you can't get a hot dog or piss in a timely fashion? We are going to be building another once soon

I was at the K on Friday when Greinke pitched. The concession lines were 20 deep all night and no stand-alone beer concessions near where we were seated.

[KC_Connection]

Hoping for rain. I don't want to see Brian Burres get another start with the Jays...he's horrible.

[BigRock]

I dont believe anyone has ever gone 7 straight starts with at least 5IP without giving up an earned run. Zack Greinke's tied with two baseball legends (Don Drysdale in 1968, Orel Hershiser in 1988, both for the Dodgers) at 6.

Nobody's ever gone 5 straight to start a season either. Zack's tied with Fernando at 4.

[sparkky]

thanks for the update guys.
I knew he had like 34 innings but then an error gave him an unearned run that technically ended that streak.

go get em Zach!!

[alnorth]

Looks like this game is going to be played. The storm is almost gone

[GoHuge]

Yeah Zack is da man. First guy to start out with five and first guy to give up 0 ER seven cosecutive games if he can pull it off tonight. Zack don't give a f**k, which is why I love the guy. Go get buddy!!

Royals!! Fuck yeah!!

[KChiefs1]

found this on another site:

Time To Get Hochevar Back To KC?

His Omaha Royals AAA numbers:
4-0 1.44 ERA, 25 innings pitched, 1.12 WHIP, 16K, 7BB, 21H.

He has started 4 games and won each of them. He still only goes an average of 6 innings per game and one would think with his brand of domination he would have more innings under his belt. He has improved from his 2008 numbers in the minors where he started 3 games recording a 1 win and 1 loss record. He had a 2.60 ERA, 17H+BB over 17.1 innings for almost exactly a 1.00 WHIP. He recorded 12 K and 6 BB. In 2009 hitters are hitting .239 against him which is up from .180 in 2008. His ratio of ground outs to air outs has fallen from a 4.57/1 ratio last year to a 2.73/1.

Despite this he has displayed an ability to keep runs from scoring and turning the ball over to the bullpen in good shape to get the win. Certainly some of his success in the wins column is due to his teams offense as well as his pitching.

It was rumored the reason Hochevar was sent to the minors was to build arm strength but at this point he seems to be a better option than Ponson, despite Sir Sidney's solid outing against Detroit.

Anybody know any plans? I don't.

With the Royals lack of a middle relief pitcher who can go long innings it would be nice to move Ponson to that spot and Hochy to the 4th starter role with Banny as the 5th starter.

[alnorth]

The game will be delayed until at least 7:40pm

I assume they need the extra half hour to repair the field.

[alnorth]

There is no way in hell Hochevar comes up until mid-May at this point, even if he throws a perfect game tonight.

It may have been a good idea at the beginning of the season, but at this point we only need to keep him down 1 or 2 more weeks to gain another year. Given how well Ponson and Bannister has done, he isnt missed too much yet.

[GoHuge]

found this on another site:

Time To Get Hochevar Back To KC?

His Omaha Royals AAA numbers:
4-0 1.44 ERA, 25 innings pitched, 1.12 WHIP, 16K, 7BB, 21H.

He has started 4 games and won each of them. He still only goes an average of 6 innings per game and one would think with his brand of domination he would have more innings under his belt. He has improved from his 2008 numbers in the minors where he started 3 games recording a 1 win and 1 loss record. He had a 2.60 ERA, 17H+BB over 17.1 innings for almost exactly a 1.00 WHIP. He recorded 12 K and 6 BB. In 2009 hitters are hitting .239 against him which is up from .180 in 2008. His ratio of ground outs to air outs has fallen from a 4.57/1 ratio last year to a 2.73/1.

Despite this he has displayed an ability to keep runs from scoring and turning the ball over to the bullpen in good shape to get the win. Certainly some of his success in the wins column is due to his teams offense as well as his pitching.

It was rumored the reason Hochevar was sent to the minors was to build arm strength but at this point he seems to be a better option than Ponson, despite Sir Sidney's solid outing against Detroit.

Anybody know any plans? I don't.

With the Royals lack of a middle relief pitcher who can go long innings it would be nice to move Ponson to that spot and Hochy to the 4th starter role with Banny as the 5th starter.Well Dayton said his stuff falls off after 45 pitches......I hope he meant MPH and movement. He wants to see his pitch count come up and his stuff remain solid. What he's doing right now makes him just a guy in rotation. 2/1 SO/BB is OK but think about Gil and Zack dealing at about 6/1. Well Gil only 3/1 after last nights debacle. Ponson and Davies are both 2/1. You'd be switching one peice for the exact same piece. Now what the Royals may be doing (which I think is not trying to win, but not lose) is keep him down until mid May to avoid him being a super two.

[KChiefs1]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/story/2009/04/29/sp-bluejays-royals-greinke.html

Blue Jays a tough assignment for untouchable Greinke

Royals' emerging ace has 1-3 record, 5.12 ERA in 7 career games versusToronto

CBC Sports (http://www.cbc.ca/sports/credit.html)


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Royals right-hander Zack Greinke has not allowed an earned run in 29 innings this season and 43 overall dating back to the 2008 campaign. (Charlie Riedel/Associated Press)

For a chance to extend their franchise-best series win streak to seven, the Blue Jays probably will have to rough up the hottest pitcher in Major League Baseball.

"'The Best Pitcher in Baseball,'" according to Sports Illustrated, Kansas City Royals right-hander Zack Greinke has a run of his own going, having not allowed an earned run in 29 innings this season and 43 overall dating back to the 2008 campaign.

"I'm not really doing anything special, mainly just getting lucky early on [in games]," Greinke, who starts Tuesday night against Toronto at Kauffman Stadium in Kansas City, told reporters on Tuesday.

"Even when you're pitching pretty good, teams find a way to score a run here and there. I'm mainly just getting some breaks."

The modest Greinke has pitched back-to-back complete games with 10 strikeouts, giving him 36 on the young season, and has victories in each of his four starts.

Having not allowed an earned run in his past six outings — a streak that ties Greinke with the retired Orel Hershiser and Don Drysdale for the longest streak in baseball history — the 25-year-old will be bidding for his American League-leading fifth win Wednesday, starting at 8:10 p.m. ET.

Sets down 15 Tigers in a row


Last Friday, Greinke used all four of his pitches — fastball, curveball, change-up and slider — to retire the last 15 Detroit Tigers he faced in a 6-1 victory.

"I've never played behind a pitcher in the minor leagues, major leagues, even Little League, who's done what he's doing," said Royals centre-fielder Coco Crisp of Greinke, who leads the AL in wins, complete games (two), strikeouts and earned-run average.

"Maybe Roger Clemens in his day, Nolan Ryan in his day or Randy Johnson in his day," added Kansas City hitting coach and former Royals third baseman Kevin Seitzer.

Heady praise for a guy who gave up 29 earned runs in 28 1/3 innings at spring training and missed the 2006 season as he battled depression and social anxiety disorder.

Nowadays, Greinke, who signed a four-year contract extension worth $38 million US prior to spring training, can be seen smiling in the clubhouse while 15 reporters and cameramen gather around his stall.

"The thing that helps him [on the mound] is the second gear that he has in being able to reach back against difficult hitters in tough situations," said Kansas City manager Trey Hillman.

Tigers first baseman Miguel Cabrera, a career .310 hitter who's batting .378 this season, struck out twice against Greinke last Friday — once on a 96-mile-an-hour fastball, and once on an 87-mph slider that broke eight inches.

Struggles against Blue Jays


But the native of Orlando, Fla., hasn't had the same degree of success against the Blue Jays, going 1-3 with a 5.12 ERA in seven games.

First baseman Lyle Overbay, who has one hit in 14 at-bats in the first five games of the team's seven-game road trip, has owned Greinke with a .500 average, with all five hits coming in the past six times he has faced the pitcher.

The AL East-leading Blue Jays (15-7) have scored 133 runs, the most in the majors, and top the AL with a .293 batting average, 234 hits and 381 total bases.

Centre-fielder Vernon Wells had three hits with three runs batted in Tuesday night in a 8-1 triumph to tie the four-game series at 1-1. Second baseman Aaron Hill added three hits and drove in two runs for Toronto, which has yet to lose a series this season.

Converted relief pitcher Brian Tallet (1-0, 2.95) gets the call Wednesday, making his third straight start for the Blue Jays in place of the injured Jesse Litsch (elbow).

The left-hander allowed four hits and struck out five in 5 2/3 innings of a 14-0 win over the Chicago White Sox on Friday for his first victory as a starter since 2002.

Tallet has allowed one earned run and eight hits in 11 innings over his two starts.

Tallet has allowed three runs in six relief appearances versus Kansas City, but will face the Royals as a starter for the first time.

[Beerfund]

i get wood when Greinke pitches

[petegz28]

First pitch scheduled for 7:40

[petegz28]

DDJ benched again? hmmmmm and Jacobs in the lineup? Hillman at work

[Mr. Krab]

I just know KC luck .... Greinke gets shelled. :(

[VonneMarie]

Here we go Greinke, here we go!

[VonneMarie]

I just know KC luck .... Greinke gets shelled. :(

Nein.

[chiefbowe82]

If we win we'll be in a 3 way tie for first

[alnorth]

Top 1st

Scutaro doubles to center
Hill strikes out (swinging)
Rios strikes out (swinging)
Wells singles to center, Scutaro scores
Lind strikes out (swinging)

1 run, 2 hits

Bottom 1st

Crisp strikes out (swinging) 2-3
Bloomquist flies out to right
Teahen grounds out to first 3-1

0 runs, 0 hits

[alnorth]

If we win we'll be in a 3 way tie for first

probably correct. Chicago won, Detroit is getting pounded 8-1 in the 5th

[DeezNutz]

DDJ benched again?

That's fine.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

GREINKE TIME!

[VonneMarie]

Well crap.

[DeezNutz]

Going to have to work...

[Thig Lyfe]

CUT GREINKE NOW!!!

[chiefbowe82]

leadoff double how fitting

[petegz28]

Jays pick up right where they left off last night

[Pants]

Zach looks nervous. Hope the kid settles down.

[Bowser]

SI JINX

[Pants]

There tis.

[DeezNutz]

Hillman was calling for the bunt.

[DeezNutz]

Sit the fuck down.

[DeezNutz]

Slow curve has Wells flinching.

[Dartgod]

Soria thinks that was a nasty pitch!

[chiefbowe82]

zach lookin nasty good now

[DeezNutz]

Hard slider. Strike 2. lol.

[Dartgod]

Dangit!

[DeezNutz]

Oh well.

Great stuff from Greinke.

[chiefbowe82]

damnit zach take that thing off the kneecap

[Mr. Krab]

You just knew it.

[DeezNutz]

Time to settle down and pitch now.

No worries.

[Thig Lyfe]

IT WAS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE :(

[irishjayhawk]

Thank you, Sports Illustrated!

[Thig Lyfe]

GREINKE IS A FRAUD

[KC_Connection]

Streak is over!!

Kind of bittersweet considering I have him in fantasy, too.

[kstater]

Man this guy sucks. Put in Farnsworth.

[DeezNutz]

Strikes out the side.

We needed to score to win anyway. /Herm/

[Kraus]

Greinke on pace for 27 strikeouts!

[kstater]

Greinke on pace for 27 strikeouts!

And a 9.0 ERA.

[petegz28]

Game over....they scored

[chiefbowe82]

damnit zach there goes our chance at victory, now way in hell we put up 2+ runs

[teedubya]

sorry Zack. :-(

[Mama Hip Rockets]

WTF GREINKE SUCKS

[DeezNutz]

Hillman to call for a sac bunt from Crisp.

[Thig Lyfe]

And a 9.0 ERA.

:deevee:

WE'RE DOOOOOOOOMED

[teedubya]

It's ZACK... all you AND IDIOTs!!

[Brianfo]

And a 9.0 ERA.

Eat a dick. Go jump off a bridge.

[petegz28]

damnit zach there goes our chance at victory, now way in hell we put up 2+ runs

I'll call it now....

Jays 4
Royals 0

[DeezNutz]

This pitcher stepped straight out of the 70's.

[Pants]

Picther came straight out of Trailer Park Boys ROFL

[petegz28]

This pitcher stepped straight out of the 70's.

Seriously, I was thinking the same exact thing!

[DeezNutz]

Seriously, I was thinking the same exact thing!

It's his hair.

Boogie fucking Nights up in the K.

[petegz28]

This guy is .474 vs. left-handed hitters and we sat DDJ for Bloomquist?

[Jenson71]

Zack has a twisted sense of humor to do that.

[petegz28]

We have to lead the league in harmless groundballs

[DeezNutz]

This guy is .474 vs. left-handed hitters and we sat DDJ for Bloomquist?

Might be benched for his professional job on the bases last night. The stupid bubble-blowing, smilie motherfucker.

[petegz28]

Might be benched for his professional job on the bases last night. The stupid bubble-blowing, smilie mother****er.

Understand but that is not worth benching him for Bloomquist.

[alnorth]

Top 2nd

Rolen strikes out (swinging)
Overbay flies out to center
Barajas doubles to left
Snider flies out to left

0 runs, 1 hit

Bottom 2nd

Guillen grounds out to shortstop
Butler homers to center
Jacobs walks
Callaspo flies out to right
Aviles doubles to right, Jacobs to third
Olivo strikes out (swinging)

1 run, 2 hits

[DeezNutz]

Understand but that is not worth benching him for Bloomquist.

Eh.

Sometimes a message needs to be sent when you do something that fucking stupid.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

This pitcher stepped straight out of the 70's.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/columnists/jimbaumbach/blog/frankviola.jpg

[KC_Connection]

Picther came straight out of Trailer Park Boys ROFL

Great show.

Ricky: The thing with kids and growings and getting learnings and stuff is that... You can't lie to them. Basically, if you wanna tell the children they can't do something they're gonna want to do it more. When I was young I did all kinds of crazy shit and I turned out wicked. That's because my dad was fuckin' cool, he let me do shit. I was allowed to drive his car around the park, basically took my dirt bike to school, let me grow dope in his shed in grade 7. You know, that's what good parenting is all about. You gotta let them have a bit of freedom.

[DeezNutz]

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/columnists/jimbaumbach/blog/frankviola.jpg

Nice.

80's flavor, too.

Frank Viola...

[Thig Lyfe]

Four Ks to start the game. Damn.

[petegz28]

Eh.

Sometimes a message needs to be sent when you do something that ****ing stupid.

I agree. But benching him for Bloomy against a .474 vs. Lefty pitcher is stupid. Fucking put Maier in if that is the case.

[petegz28]

Well, there is that Bloomquist speed in LF.....

I hang that one on Hillman

[Archie F. Swin]

I dont watch the minors closely but, Ryan Shealy seems to be doing well at Omaha....do we need to send Bulter down for Shealy?

[petegz28]

Willie get the fuck out of the way, dumbass

[petegz28]

I dont watch the minors closely but, Ryan Shealy seems to be doing well at Omaha....do we need to send Bulter down for Shealy?

YES!


No sorry.....HELL YES!

[GoHuge]

Zach with a .30 ERA and five K's so far! Somebody bench this bum!!

Had a bad feeling about breaking the ALL TIME MLB starts without an earned run record, but we love you buddy.

Now they've pissed him off. Better look out now!!

[KC_Connection]

I agree. But benching him for Bloomy against a .474 vs. Lefty pitcher is stupid. ****ing put Maier in if that is the case.
Small sample size, dude. Tallet isn't that bad against lefties normally...

[DeezNutz]

I agree. But benching him for Bloomy against a .474 vs. Lefty pitcher is stupid. ****ing put Maier in if that is the case.

Much better idea.

All our weak hitting "defensive" players are starting to blend together. I actually forgot about him.

[Pants]

Great show.

Ricky: The thing with kids and growings and getting learnings and stuff is that... You can't lie to them. Basically, if you wanna tell the children they can't do something they're gonna want to do it more. When I was young I did all kinds of crazy shit and I turned out wicked. That's because my dad was ****in' cool, he let me do shit. I was allowed to drive his car around the park, basically took my dirt bike to school, let me grow dope in his shed in grade 7. You know, that's what good parenting is all about. You gotta let them have a bit of freedom.

ROFL

"You lied to the old man, Ricky... you lied to the man in the chair."

[doomy3]

Nice!!

Butler!!

[petegz28]

Holy Shit! Butler must have heard us talking about Shealy!!!!

[chiefbowe82]

and folks if we can't hit runners around, we'll have to homer to score

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Go Butterball

[VonneMarie]

Woot.

[DeezNutz]

Magic 8-ball says, "Strikeout of course, you silly bitch."

Edit: You lying ****ing instrument.

[petegz28]

Magic 8-ball says, "Strikeout of course, you silly bitch."

Fever keeps saying Jacobs is getting a good swing on tinker foul balls.

Though Jacobs finally laid off the low and outside pitch

[KC_Connection]

ROFL

"You lied to the old man, Ricky... you lied to the man in the chair."

"No one wants to admit they ate nine cans of ravioli."

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[DeezNutz]

Fever keeps saying Jacobs is getting a good swing on tinker foul balls.

Though Jacobs finally laid off the low and outside pitch

I would like to claim that I believe I was dead wrong about the Jacobs acquisition.

Still not truly bothered about losing Leo, but Jacobs is infinitely frustrating, both in the field and at the plate.

[petegz28]

I would like to claim that I believe I was dead wrong about the Jacobs acquisition.

Still not truly bothered about losing Leo, but Jacobs is infinitely frustrating, both in the field and at the plate.

I think the only thing worse than Jacobs K's is Avillies always backing away from good inside-strikes. The fucker already has an open stance...he should be turning on those and ripping them

[DeezNutz]

I think the only thing worse than Jacobs K's is Avillies always backing away from good inside-strikes. The ****er already has an open stance...he should be turning on those and ripping them

Dude really needs to get going.

Nice single.

His glove doesn't play...

[petegz28]

that Ump was going to call him out at 2nd.....wasn't he?

[DeezNutz]

Need the 2-out hit...

[Beerfund]

jesus fuck give us another god damn run

[Kraus]

F'n Olivo... that was ball 3.

[Beerfund]

ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[GoHuge]

Como estas bitches! Give Zack one more run to pitch with and your all but dun!!

[petegz28]

FUCK OLIVO!!! That wasn't even fucking close! This guy swings at so much shit in the dirt.

Can we not get a decent catcher?

[alnorth]

Top 3rd

Scutaro walks
Hill singles to center, Scutaro to third
Rios grounds into a 5-4-3 double play, Hill out at second, Scutaro scores
Wells grounds out to third

1 run, 1 hit

Bottom 3rd

Crisp doubles to left
Bloomquist bunts an infield single to pitcher, Crisp to third
Teahen fouls out to third
Guillen pops out to shortstop
Butler doubles to left, Bloomquist and Crisp scores
Jacobs singles to left, Butler scores
Callaspo doubles to left, Jacobs to third
Aviles grounds out to second

3 runs, 5 hits

[Jenson71]

Get em next time, Miguel.

[Pants]

Billy Boy still winded from running around the bases?

[petegz28]

WTF Ump?

[chiefbowe82]

WTF Ump?

it wasn't a strike

[Beerfund]

hes gonna get some nacho's to regain his strength

[petegz28]

Ok, I don't know that I like that.....I knwo you go for the 2 outs but FUCK you had the guy nailed at the plate

[petegz28]

it wasn't a strike

Yes it was

[chiefbowe82]

Yes it was

no

[Chiefless]

well he made 'em give up 2 outs and all the base runners for that run. I'll take that against that against toronto.

[KC_Connection]

2-1....even though our 3 and 4 hitters suck.

[Brianfo]

I dont watch the minors closely but, Ryan Shealy seems to be doing well at Omaha....do we need to send Bulter down for Shealy?

How do you like them apples??????????????????????????

[DeezNutz]

2-1....even though our 3 and 4 hitters suck.

Get your "our" out of here...

[DeezNutz]

If Hillman calls for the bunt, I'm going ape shit.

[petegz28]

Ok Bloomy......move the fucking runner!

[petegz28]

If Hillman calls for the bunt, I'm going ape shit.

With BLoomquist I can't say it is that bad of a move....seriously

[GoHuge]

F**k off Roger Twibell. I'll tune my radio where ever I want in the morning. Like 810 WHB bitch!!l

Sorry guys I'm down at the lake and have to listen on the comp via MLB.com to all the corny ass suck 10 commercials.

[chiefbowe82]

beautifully done!

[petegz28]

If Hillman calls for the bunt, I'm going ape shit.

HA HA HA HA HA!!!


I said it wouldn't be that bad of a call!!! :D

[alnorth]

Whats wrong with you Coco, swinging at the first pitch like that. Geez, show some patience!

[Mr. Arrowhead]

holy shit that might have been the best bunt i have ever seen

[DeezNutz]

If Hillman calls for the bunt, I'm going ape shit.

I don't care that it was successful.

That is not the right call.

Hillman is in WAY over his head with this job. It's over for me so far as offering the guy any support.

[chiefbowe82]

GOD DAMNIT TEAHAN

[Chiefless]

gotta give it up for bloomy there.

[petegz28]

And here is where we fuck ourselves......GOD DAMN IT TEAHEN!!!

[Kraus]

Goddammit Teabag.

[DeezNutz]

HA HA HA HA HA!!!


I said it wouldn't be that bad of a call!!! :D

It's the wrong call.

It flies in the face of the statistics. We're in the bottom of the 3rd and down by a run. And we still play in the AL.

[chiefbowe82]

GOD DAMNIT GUILLEN

[Kraus]

.....................

[chiefbowe82]

our batting is so pathetic

[kstater]

F**k off Roger Twibell. I'll tune my radio where ever I want in the morning. Like 810 WHB bitch!!l

Sorry guys I'm down at the lake and have to listen on the comp via MLB.com to all the corny ass suck 10 commercials.

I was looking into getting the mlb.com tv package. Did you know that even though I live roughly 400 miles from the Stadium, that the home games are still blacked out. I passed on the package.

[petegz28]

1st and 3rd no outs and we aren't going to score......


MOTHER FUCKER!

[chiefbowe82]

i guess i'll go ahead and get it over with
GOD DAMNIT BUTLER

[DeezNutz]

1st and 3rd no outs and we aren't going to score......


MOTHER ****ER!

If Hillman's move did what he expected, we'd already be out of the inning.

[Beerfund]

we suck some major donkey dick at hitting the ball

[chiefbowe82]

there was nothing wrong with hillmans move

[chiefbowe82]

yes butler yes yes yes!

[Farzin]

PIE!!!

[petegz28]

BILLLLLLYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!

[Kraus]

Hooray for Billlllllllayyyyy!

[DeezNutz]

there was nothing wrong with hillmans move

If you don't like statistical evidence, it was fine.

[doomy3]

Man, it'd be nice to see this out of Butler more often

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Thank You Butterball

[petegz28]

We need to keep the Shealy talk going.......!!!!!

[KC_Connection]

Terrible 0-2 pitch by Tallet, not sure what he was thinking with an inside fastball.

[Beerfund]

" so billy how much easier is it to hit with your head out of your ass? "

" * cough * i need a cupcake "

[petegz28]

If you don't like statistical evidence, it was fine.

Seriously I would agree except it was Bloomquist at the plate. Bunting there is not THAT bad of a call.

Never tell me the odds /Han Solo

[chiefbowe82]

glad to see jacobs shaved that crap off

[DeezNutz]

Seriously I would agree except it was Bloomquist at the plate. Bunting there is not THAT bad of a call.

It's a numbers game.

Hillman routinely says fuck the numbers, just like he did there. And then the next night he'll talk about playing the statistics.

It's the bottom of the 3rd and it was a 2-1 game?!? Are you fucking kidding me, Trey, you stupid fuck.

Seriously, he has no fucking clue what he's doing.

[Farzin]

Get owned!

[DeezNutz]

This team will have to succeed in spite of Hillman; it's that simple.

[petegz28]

WTF IS THIS?

Billay 2-2 with 3 RBI's?
Jacobs 1-1 with 1 RBI?

[Mr. Arrowhead]

my god Jacobs about threw his shoulder out with that 3-0 swing

[Farzin]

This team will have to succeed in spite of Hillman, it's that simple.

So was that bunt still a "bad call?" Doesn't seem like it anymore..

[petegz28]

This team will have to succeed in spite of Hillman, it's that simple.

Again, it was Bloomquist....what were you expecting out of him? A ground ball that maybe doesn't move the runner? We have been struggling for runs all year. Just saying :shrug:

[DeezNutz]

So was that bunt still a "bad call?" Doesn't seem like it anymore..

Yes, it still was.

It was then and it is now.

[alnorth]

my god Jacobs about threw his shoulder out with that 3-0 swing

thats the kind of swing I want to see on 3-0, if your not taking all the way, then hit out over a wall, fair or foul doesnt matter.

[DeezNutz]

Again, it was Bloomquist....what were you expecting out of him? A ground ball that maybe doesn't move the runner? We have been struggling for runs all year. Just saying :shrug:

I expect a manager that knows what the fuck he's doing. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Beerfund]

jacob's looks like a cripple when he runs

[petegz28]

Jacobs you slow fucker...lol

[Farzin]

Yes, it still was.

It was then and it is now.

Don't be a hater, bro. All that matters is that in the end, it worked. Look at it this inning!


That third baseman is getting slaughtered!

[petegz28]

Yes, it still was.

It was then and it is now.

a 3 run inning says it wasn't a bad call.....

[DeezNutz]

If the bunt would have worked as Hillman expected, this inning would have been over and no runs would have scored.

[Kraus]

Again, it was Bloomquist....what were you expecting out of him? A ground ball that maybe doesn't move the runner? We have been struggling for runs all year. Just saying :shrug:

I have to agree, I would have called a bunt in that situation.

[DeezNutz]

a 3 run inning says it wasn't a bad call.....

See my last post.

The 3 run inning is further evidence for why that was the wrong call.

[petegz28]

If the bunt would have worked as Hillman expected, this inning would have been over and no runs would have scored.

Not true. The guys came up with a man on 3rd and were trying to get the SAC fly. They probably don't do that if a runner is on 2nd.

Just saying :shrug:

[petegz28]

See my last post.

The 3 run inning is further evidence about why that was the wrong call.

Um...yeah..ok :shake:

[DeezNutz]

Um...yeah..ok :shake:

No offense, but you don't know what you're talking about.

[petegz28]

Wow Ump.......

[chiefbowe82]

now petegz that was a strike

[GoHuge]

I was looking into getting the mlb.com tv package. Did you know that even though I live roughly 400 miles from the Stadium, that the home games are still blacked out. I passed on the package.Yeah my K-state bro I hear you. I even put in my lake Addy and it still said I would be blacked on Royals games. All you can get down here are f**king Card's games even on the radio. The MLB Gameday audio is only like $14 a year. Well worth it to be able to at least listen to all the games.


Two up for Zack and lights out f**kers!!

[petegz28]

No offense, but you don't know what you're talking about.

K...

[alnorth]

Top 4th

Lind walks
Rolen flies out to left
Overbay reaches on a 5-4 fielder's choice, Lind out at second
Barajas pops out to shortstop

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 4th

Olivo lines out to shortstop
Crisp grounds out to third
Bloomquist walks
Teahen homers to center, Bloomquist scores
Guillen flies out to right

2 runs, 1 hit

[petegz28]

Come the fuck on UMP!

[DeezNutz]

Teahen continuing to play well at 3B.

[petegz28]

No offense, but you don't know what you're talking about.

You're problem with your argument is you are assuming the hitters take the same approach with a runner on 2nd and 1 out than with a runner on 3rd 0 outs.

That isn't how it works.

[petegz28]

Whoever this Ump is mark his name down and make sure we have Greinke or Meche pitching. Otherwise we will be walking the bases loaded or getting pounded.

[DeezNutz]

You're problem with your argument is you are assuming the hitters take the same approach with a runner on 2nd and 1 out than with a runner on 3rd 0 outs.

That isn't how it works.

You know a runner can score from 2B on a single, too...

I know all about situational hitting, with a different perspective than most on this board, believe me.

My argument is unaffected by what you're alluding to.

[beavis]

No offense, but you don't know what you're talking about.

ROFL

[DeezNutz]

Bunt! Bunt!

[petegz28]

You know a runner can score from 2B on a single, too...

I know all about situational hitting, with a different perspective than most on this board, believe me.

My argument is unaffected by what you're alluding to.

UGH!!!! Dude, Teahen and Guillen were more than obviously trying to get the ball up and to the outfield for the SAC fly.

Yes, I do understand a runner can score from 2nd. That is not the point so quit.


Your argument is full of holes cause you are assuming the 2 guys who popped out would have taken the same approach had the runner situation been different.

And if you know all about situational hitting, nevermind I played baseball for 10 year, you know I am speaking the truth.

[chiefbowe82]

DeezNutz your argument is bad, and like petegz i've played baseball for atleast 10 years also

[Kraus]

Teahen makes up for earlier mistakes with a 2-run HR!!!

[chiefbowe82]

this has turned into batting practice, does this pitcher suck or what

[petegz28]

TEAHEN!!!

Way to make up for the pop-up, buddy!

[Pants]

TEAHANNNNN!

[DeezNutz]

UGH!!!! Dude, Teahen and Guillen were more than obviously trying to get the ball up and to the outfield for the SAC fly.

Yes, I do understand a runner can score from 2nd. That is not the point so quit.


Your argument is full of holes cause you are assuming the 2 guys who popped out would have taken the same approach had the runner situation been different.

And if you know all about situational hitting, nevermind I played baseball for 10 year, you know I am speaking the truth.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

The reason the logic was flawed was the same reason it wasn't the right call to have Crisp bunt last night with runners on first and second. It flies in the face of the numbers.

[BWillie]

Teahen says f*ck you Mecca

[petegz28]

Are you ****ing kidding me?

The reason the logic was flawed was the same reason it wasn't the right call to have Crisp bunt last night with runners on first and second. It flies in the face of the numbers.

And I said typically I would agree with you except it was Bloomquist at the plate. You are just as well having him put a bunt down as letting him swing away. In fact you have a better chance of moving the runner with him bunting.

While your numbers in general are right, you are not taking into account who is at the plate.

Last night's call, while not the best call, would have been fine had the bunt went down the 1st base line and not to the 3rd base side.

[alnorth]

Top 5th

Snider strikes out (swinging)
Scutaro flies out to right
Hill singles to left
Rios strikes out (swinging)

0 runs, 1 hit

Bottom 5th

Butler homers to left
Jacobs walks
Callaspo doubles to right, Jacobs to third
Aviles triples to right, Callaspo and JAcobs scores

Shawn Camp relieves Tallet

Olivo grounds out to shortstop
Aviles scores on a Passed Ball
Crisp doubles to left
Bloomquist grounds out to pitcher
Teahen grounds out to first 3-1

4 runs, 4 hits

[KC_Connection]

I knew we needed that rainout. Hopefully there will be one tomorrow I guess...

[petegz28]

I knew we needed that rainout. Hopefully there will be one tomorrow I guess...

I could go for that. Davies facing the Jays isn't my idea of a good match up right now.

[Kraus]

5 K's for Zack.

[petegz28]

I would really like to have that Scuturo on our team.

[Brianfo]

Do you want to chew on that, or would you like some lubrication.

[Kraus]

ZacKKKKKK

[petegz28]

SIT THE FUCK DOWN!

[alnorth]

Detroit damn near came back, clawing up from a 7-run deficit, but falling just short to Mariano Rivera 8-6. Win these and we are 3-way-tied for first. Again

[petegz28]

Ok, the little blondie in the Sonic commerical has that "I would **** your dick off" look about her that just gives me wood.

What can I say? :shrug:

[DeezNutz]

And I said typically I would agree with you except it was Bloomquist at the plate. You are just as well having him put a bunt down as letting him swing away. In fact you have a better chance of moving the runner with him bunting.

While your numbers in general are right, you are not taking into account who is at the plate.

Last night's call, while not the best call, would have been fine had the bunt went down the 1st base line and not to the 3rd base side.

http://books.google.com/books?id=1s7TpKpGWPMC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=percentage+of+scoring+with+a+runner+on+third+and+one+out&source=bl&ots=KGibnZ-k9T&sig=EXkaXQfWrS8PYF0bPTNwl2DinJs&hl=en&ei=wAf5Sf-eBpOeM8HUhcIP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

Runner on 1st and 0 out = 43 percent chance of scoring
Runner on 2nd and 0 out = 60 percent chance of scoring
Runner on 3rd and 1 out = 54 percent chance of scoring

"This decrease in scoring percentages makes sacrifice bunting the runner to third base extremely questionable if the batter is a decent hitter."

Bloomquist is hitting 2nd. By virtue of putting him in this spot, Hillman is implicitly saying WB handles the bat well and is a "decent" hitter.

But please, continue to tell me that I'm wrong. It's simple math. And Hillman doesn't know what the fuck he is doing.

[Kraus]

Detroit damn near came back, clawing up from a 7-run deficit, but falling just short to Mariano Rivera 8-6. Win these and we are 3-way-tied for first. Again

Hopefully some other AL Central team will get the curse of the spring implosion we always seem to have.

[petegz28]

Odds on Butler getting a triple???

[Kraus]

Odds on Butler getting a triple???

0%

But I'll take another Homer.

[kcfanXIII]

Hopefully some other AL Central team will get the curse of the spring implosion we always seem to have.

can you imagine saying that in august or september?

[petegz28]

BILLLAAAYYY!!!!

What the fuck is in your wheaties???

[Kraus]

can you imagine saying that in august or september?

Hopefully.

[Mr. Krab]

Butterball shows some POWA!!

finally

[Kraus]

Frank White - "That sounded like a pretty good sploosh."

[wild1]

Man, I love seeing the young guys get it done.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Holy shit what has gotten into Billy tonight,

[DeezNutz]

http://books.google.com/books?id=1s7TpKpGWPMC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=percentage+of+scoring+with+a+runner+on+third+and+one+out&source=bl&ots=KGibnZ-k9T&sig=EXkaXQfWrS8PYF0bPTNwl2DinJs&hl=en&ei=wAf5Sf-eBpOeM8HUhcIP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

Runner on 1st and 0 out = 43 percent chance of scoring
Runner on 2nd and 0 out = 60 percent chance of scoring
Runner on 3rd and 1 out = 54 percent chance of scoring

"This decrease in scoring percentages makes sacrifice bunting the runner to third base extremely questionable if the batter is a decent hitter."

Bloomquist is hitting 2nd. By virtue of putting him in this spot, Hillman is implicitly saying WB handles the bat well and is a "decent" hitter.

But please, continue to tell me that I'm wrong. It's simple math. And Hillman doesn't know what the **** he is doing.

.

[petegz28]

http://books.google.com/books?id=1s7TpKpGWPMC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=percentage+of+scoring+with+a+runner+on+third+and+one+out&source=bl&ots=KGibnZ-k9T&sig=EXkaXQfWrS8PYF0bPTNwl2DinJs&hl=en&ei=wAf5Sf-eBpOeM8HUhcIP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

Runner on 1st and 0 out = 43 percent chance of scoring
Runner on 2nd and 0 out = 60 percent chance of scoring
Runner on 3rd and 1 out = 54 percent chance of scoring

"This decrease in scoring percentages makes sacrifice bunting the runner to third base extremely questionable if the batter is a decent hitter."

Bloomquist is hitting 2nd. By virtue of putting him in this spot, Hillman is implicitly saying WB handles the bat well and is a "decent" hitter.




K well that is percentages. And I don't care where WB bats. He is a singles hitter and the odds are just as good of moving the runner with him bunting.

And funny now you are all the sudden reverting to Hillman's judgment in your defense. Let's just say we will agree to disagree.
But please, continue to tell me that I'm wrong. It's simple math. And Hillman doesn't know what the **** he is doing.

[KC_Connection]

I could go for that. Davies facing the Jays isn't my idea of a good match up right now.

You don't know who Brian Burres is.

[DeezNutz]

K well that is percentages. And I don't care where WB bats. He is a singles hitter and the odds are just as good of moving the runner with him bunting.

And funny now you are all the sudden reverting to Hillman's judgment in your defense. Let's just say we will agree to disagree.
But please, continue to tell me that I'm wrong. It's simple math. And Hillman doesn't know what the **** he is doing.

I didn't put him there, dude. I'm not making the lineup card.

If Hillman thinks Bloomquist can't handle the stick, he wouldn't be in the 2 hole.

We're talking about odds of scoring and having a productive inning, not moving a runner. Fact are facts. The right call is to swing away. The exception would be if a pitcher were at the plate.

[petegz28]

This crew of Umps leaves a little to be desired

[Kraus]

I didn't know umps were allowed to change their mind on a call like that.

[petegz28]

I didn't put him there, dude. I'm not making the lineup card.

If Hillman thinks Bloomquist can't handle the stick, he wouldn't be in the 2 hole.

Ok, so then Hillman having him bunt shouldn't be up for question then.


You are having it both ways. I am done now. We won't agree so no point in going. Have the last word if you must.

[DeezNutz]

Aviles owns the RF.

[Kraus]

Aviles with a 2 RBI triple!!!

[chiefbowe82]

whats the run rule

[petegz28]

9-2.....nice

[alnorth]

For the record, DeezNutz is correct, but its not a big critical error or anything. We are talking "replay this 100 times and my way is better +4 times" kind of right.

[Mr. Krab]

Aviles~!!!

[Kraus]

Na Na Na Na, Na Na Na Na Heeey heeey heyy....Goodbye!!!

[DeezNutz]

Ok, so then Hillman having him bunt shouldn't be up for question then.


You are having it both ways. I am done now. We won't agree so no point in going. Have the last word if you must.

No, I'm not having it both ways.

It's called playing the percentages and putting a team in the best position to be successful.

Hillman made the lineup in a manner to accomplish this, right? Now his in-game decisions need to do the same. It's really not that difficult.

[Mr. Krab]

I didn't know umps were allowed to change their mind on a call like that.
Why not, he didn't really change the call. He just pointed the wrong way.

[Brianfo]

I dont watch the minors closely but, Ryan Shealy seems to be doing well at Omaha....do we need to send Bulter down for Shealy?

Would you like to show some more of your intelligence? You go fetch a frisbee and come back and play with the regular kids tomorrow. You are probably the same dicksnak that wanted to draft a QB in the first round. God I love you wipe your face with your own nutsack.

[DeezNutz]

For the record, DeezNutz is correct, but its not a big critical error or anything. We are talking "replay this 100 times and my way is better +4 times" kind of right.

This isn't nearly on the same level as the Farnsworth decisions, but when you're as run starved as the Royals have been, all these smaller decisions are increasingly more important.

My biggest problem is that it was the bottom of the fucking 3rd and you're in the heart of the lineup. It doesn't get any more obvious than this.

[petegz28]

Would you like to show some more of your intelligence? You go fetch a frisbee and come back and play with the regular kids tomorrow. You are probably the same dicksnak that wanted to draft a QB in the first round. God I love you wipe your face with your own nutsack.

Hey fucker, I was all for bringing up Shealy before tonight. This has been the first game Butler has hit. It only took 21 games.

[DeezNutz]

Had to cross him up...

[wild1]

No, I'm not having it both ways.

It's called playing the percentages and putting a team in the best position to be successful.

Hillman made the lineup in a manner to accomplish this, right? Now his in-game decisions need to do the same. It's really not that difficult.

Well, I'm not taking a side, but it also has to do with how this hitter is handling the bat recently, what the situation in the game is, with the pitcher, the batter's history against the pitcher.

I'm not saying he was right or wrong, but it's deeper than just "never do it unless you have a terrible hitter up there"

[Brianfo]

UH Oh!!!

Aviles is waking up. Look at the numbers, doubters. He has hit at every level. This is just another step up.

[wild1]

Can we bank some of these runs?

[Kraus]

This game is awesome.

[petegz28]

This isn't nearly on the same level as the Farnsworth decisions, but when you're as run starved as the Royals have been, all these smaller decisions are increasingly more important.

My biggest problem is that it was the bottom of the ****ing 3rd and you're in the heart of the lineup. It doesn't get any more obvious than this.

You know, the Twins who seem to be at the top of the division year in and out put the bunt down early in games as well. It's part of not having a power lineup.

[Mr. Krab]

Seems like to me the Royals have a confidence problem at the plate. Once they start hitting everyone loosens up and they get runs in bunches.

[DeezNutz]

Well, I'm not taking a side, but it also has to do with how this hitter is handling the bat recently, what the situation in the game is, with the pitcher, the batter's history against the pitcher.

I'm not saying he was right or wrong, but it's deeper than just "never do it unless you have a terrible hitter up there"

This is the AL. We're playing the team that has scored the most runs in the league, and it's the bottom of the 3rd. And we were in the heart of the lineup.

It would be tough for that call to be wrong on any more levels. It wasn't as grievous as asking the #3 hitter to sac, but it wasn't good...

[alnorth]

we just doubled that poor dude's ERA tonight

[KC_Connection]

Seems like to me the Royals have a confidence problem at the plate. Once they start hitting everyone loosens up and they get runs in bunches.
It's far more likely that they hit bad pitchers (Purcey and Tallet) and struggle against better ones.

[petegz28]

Seems like to me the Royals have a confidence problem at the plate. Once they start hitting everyone loosens up and they get runs in bunches.

It's the same problem every year. Everyone is always waiting for someone else to get it going.