Cleveland Indians @ Kansas City Royals Game Thread (5/19)

[alnorth]

<table border=3 cellpadding = 4>
<tr>
<td>Final</td> <td> 1 </td> <td> 2 </td><td> 3 </td><td> 4 </td><td> 5 </td><td> 6 </td><td> 7 </td><td> 8 </td><td> 9 </td><td> R </td><td> H </td><td> E </td></tr>
<tr> <td>CLE (14-26)</td> <td> 1 </td> <td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 3 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 5 </td><td> 9 </td><td> 0 </td></tr>
<tr> <td>KC (21-18)</td> <td> 0 </td> <td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 1 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 0 </td><td> 4 </td><td> 6 </td><td> 11 </td><td> 0 </td></tr>
</table>

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/mlb/teams/20080123/80x60/cle.gif

Cliff Lee 8IP 2R 2ER 0BB 3K
Blown Save, (2); Loss, (1-2) Kerry Wood 0.2IP 4R 4ER 1BB 0K 2HR

VS.

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/mlb/teams/20080123/80x60/kan.gif

Brian Bannister 6IP 5R 5ER 1BB 4K 1HR
Horacio Ramirez 2IP 0R 0ER 1BB 1K
Win, (1-3) Kyle Farnsworth 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K

Home Runs

CLE

Shoppach (3) - Top 6th, 2-run homer to center

KC

Jacobs (9) - Bottom 9th, solo shot to right
Teahen (5) - Bottom 9th, solo shot to left

Starting Lineups

CLE

1. Asdrubal Cabrera, SS
2. Grady Sizemore, DH
3. Victor Martinez, 1B
4. Shin-Soo Choo, RF
5. Mark DeRosa, 3B
6. Ben Francisco, CF
7. Matt LaPorta, LF
8. Kelly Shoppach, C
9. Luis Valbuena, 2B

KC

1. Coco Crisp, CF
2. Alberto Callaspo, 2B
3. Billy Butler, 1B
4. Jose Guillen RF
5. Mike Jacobs, DH
6. Mark Teahen, 3B
7. Miguel Olivo, C
7. Mitch Maier, pr
8. David DeJesus, LF
9. Willie Bloomquist, SS

[DeezNutz]

And we're back to "normal" ladies and gentlemen. Scare quotes for CP, of course.

[Dartgod]

I'll be at the game tonight, so someone else will have to tell Pete to shut the fuck up when we're down by two runs in the 3rd inning.

[CoMoChief]

What's KC's record against Cliff Lee? I would think that its not great.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Cliff Lee beat us 5 times last season alone. We made him the CYAW

[sedated]

IIRC, Lee was struggling this year...until he got to KC last time.

[DeezNutz]

If Hillman has Jacobs in the 4 hole tonight, I'll curse him more than usual.

[Arsonist]

If Hillman has Jacobs in the 4 hole tonight, I'll curse him more than usual.

he gonna stack everyone in the lineup that can bat right handed and have Tehan as the only lefty, just watch

[leviw]

IIRC, Lee was struggling this year...until he got to KC last time.

Bannister and the Royals beat him 2-0 on April 22 in Cleveland.

[KCrockaholic]

Bannister and the Royals beat him 2-0 on April 22 in Cleveland.

knowing that we scored only 2 runs doesnt make me feel any better.

[SCTrojan]

Let's start a winning streak. And then hope Meche and Greinke keep it going.

[sedated]

Let's start a winning streak. And then hope Meche and Greinke keep it going.

I'd be happy if Meche got 6 innings, 3 runs at this point. He's been far from an ace the few starts.

[BigCatDaddy]

If Hillman has Jacobs in the 4 hole tonight, I'll curse him more than usual.

His numbers against lefties have to be horrible. I can't believe Hilman batted him cleanup against them last week. He also refuses to PH a righty when the other team brings in a left to face them and our lefty never comes though in the clutch, nor should they have to.

[Great Expectations]

Teahen might be the worst clutch hitter in MLB.

[DeezNutz]

Jacobs this season:

Against RHP: .273/.356/.649

Against LHP: .244/.306/.289

.289 slugging percentage? Are you fucking kidding me?

There should be two hard and fast rules for Jacobs from a manager's perspective: 1. He never plays in the field. 2. He's never in the lineup against a LHP.

[kstater]

Sheesh, we thought the Royals' Offense was horrible. How bad must your team suck if you have a 3.00 ERA in the middle of May and are only 2-5.

[Arsonist]

Cleveland is a decent team and Lee got off to a really slow start... I still think we win this one 5-3

[petegz28]

I'll be at the game tonight, so someone else will have to tell Pete to shut the **** up when we're down by two runs in the 3rd inning.

I'll be at the game too, so just yell loud.

[Dartgod]

I'll be at the game too, so just yell loud.
Where do you sit? I'm in sect 307 tonight.

[Reaper16]

I'll be at the game too, so just yell loud.
LMAO

[Dartgod]

I can just see everyone's face around me (especially the law firm that my wife uses that gave us tickets) when I yell at the top of my lungs, "SHUT THE **** UP, WILL YA PETE?"

[petegz28]

Where do you sit? I'm in sect 307 tonight.

230

[Archie F. Swin]

Looking at the standings as of today (before the first pitch)
If the Royals were 20-18 in other other divisions, they would be:
in 5th place in the NL East
in 4th place in the AL East
in 3rd place in the NL East
in 2nd place in the AL West
in 2nd place in the NL West

The AL East is looking quite impressive

[petegz28]

Off to the ballpark....GO ROYALS!

[Sure-Oz]

I can just see everyone's face around me (especially the law firm that my wife uses that gave us tickets) when I yell at the top of my lungs, "SHUT THE **** UP, WILL YA PETE?"

ROFL

[alnorth]

Top 1st

Cabrera hits a ground-rule double to left
Sizemore flies out to center, Cabrera to third
Martinez singles to left, Cabrera scores
Choo flies out to center
DeRosa strikes out (looking)

1 run, 2 hits

Bottom 1st

Crisp grounds out to shortstop
Callaspo grounds out to shortstop
Butler singles to center
Guillen flies out to center

0 runs, 1 hit

[WilliamTheIrish]

Martinez got that off the fist.. Banny has been up. Way up.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

game over. this team can't score against a damn left hander.

[Nightfyre]

Looking at the standings as of today (before the first pitch)
If the Royals were 20-18 in other other divisions, they would be:
in 5th place in the NL East
in 4th place in the AL East
in 3rd place in the NL East
in 2nd place in the AL West
in 2nd place in the NL West

The AL East is looking quite impressive
If the Royals were in the NL we would be a top ballclub assuming Hillman knew how to play small ball.

[VonneMarie]

WTF, Bannister? Get your shit in gear.

[Pablo]

Alright fellas.

Time to get out to that big lead as usual. ROFL

[BigMeatballDave]

Awesome! I get to watch the game on the Indians network!

[WilliamTheIrish]

BB with the 2 out 1b.

[alnorth]

Top 2nd

Francisco grounds out to third
LaPorta strikes out (swinging)
Shoppach singles to center
Valbuena grounds out to second

0 runs, 1 hit

Bottom 2nd

Jacobs singles to center
Teahen doubles to left, Jacobs scores
Olivo flies into an 8-5 double play, Teahen out at third
DeJesus fouls out to catcher

1 run, 2 hits

[WilliamTheIrish]

That was some nice range. A very nice defensive play by Teahan.

[Nightfyre]

Wow he hung the shit out of that. Lucky it was foul

[WilliamTheIrish]

Wow he hung the shit out of that. Lucky it was foul

Yes he did. That's the 3rd change up that has been way up.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Nice pitch for the out.

[Nightfyre]

He should just stick with that curve

[KCUnited]

Like Banny's pace.

[Nightfyre]

If Banny gets off to a fast start this year we should trade him.

[Nightfyre]

Nice, Jacobs beats the shift.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Nice GAP by Teahan.

[Mr. Krab]

1st base looks set with Butler
2nd base looks set with Callaspo
shortstop looks set in the short-term with Bloomy
3rd base is ok with Teahen until Moose is ready
catcher is meh but workable
left field is meh with DDJ
center is good short-term with Coco
Guillen is way overpaid and we should still probably trade him
DH is shaky with Jacobs and we should probably trade him if we can too
Starting pitching is looking strong, especially if Hoch pulls his head out
relief is cut and paste every year, as long as Soria is ok we're set.

Our bats are still weak but we have room to breath now.

[Sure-Oz]

went with the pitch, beautiful swing

[Sure-Oz]

Yes, our base running blunders continue, wtf teahen

[KCUnited]

wow.

[VonneMarie]

That was DUMB.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Teahan... GD it. There is only one word to describe that play. Dumb.

[Sure-Oz]

I know why he ran, DDJ is up now

[Nightfyre]

Thanks for needlessly moving a runner in scoring position to the bench.

[Nightfyre]

I know why he ran, DDJ is up now

If DDJ got out at least you still had another out to work. Fek we shoulda bunted him over to third as far as Im concerned.

[petegz28]

that was as fucking idiotic as it gets
Posted via Mobile Device

[WilliamTheIrish]

IF I were the manager, I would take Teahan down into the tunnel and tell him: "With that base running play, you have just lost the privilege of running on your own".

[KCUnited]

Lee doesn't give up enough runs to take yourself out of scoring position.

[Mr. Krab]

If DDJ got out at least you still had another out to work. Fek we shoulda bunted him over to third as far as Im concerned.
You don't bunt a guy over to 3rd if it's gonna give you the 2nd out. A base hit is needed to score them from 3rd then. That same base hit would probably score him from 2nd. You take the 2 shots at getting a base hit. imo.

[Nightfyre]

You don't bunt a guy over to 3rd if it's gonna give you the 2nd out. A base is needed to score them from 3rd then. That same base hit would probably score him from 2nd. You take the 2 shots at getting a base hit. imo.

I just don't trust Teahen to score on a single from second. JMO.

[DeezNutz]

Imagine what our baserunning would look like if Trey didn't stress fundamentals...

[alnorth]

I just don't trust Teahen to score on a single from second. JMO.

thats just silly, damn near every MLB player this side of Billy Butler scores from second off a solid single

[Mr. Krab]

I just don't trust Teahen to score on a single from second. JMO.Everyone is entitled to their opinion but Teahen is one of our fastest base runners.

[alnorth]

Top 3rd

Cabrera grounds out to first
Sizemore strikes out (swinging)
Martinez grounds out to third

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 3rd

Bloomquist grounds out to shortstop
Crisp flies out to left
Callaspo singles to right, Callaspo out at second 9-6

0 runs, 1 hit

[Chiefless]

Imagine what our baserunning would look like if Trey didn't stress fundamentals...

Good point

[petegz28]

Imagine what our baserunning would look like if Trey didn't stress fundamentals...

LMAO
Posted via Mobile Device

[Nightfyre]

thats just silly, damn near every MLB player this side of Billy Butler scores from second off a solid single

I don't disagree there. I just hate watching Teahen work the bases. He terrifies me.

[Chiefless]

Is Cliff Lee the Indians ace?

[alnorth]

I don't disagree there. I just hate watching Teahen work the bases. He terrifies me.

I know that last play didnt look good, but Teahen has generally been one of our best baserunners

[alnorth]

Is Cliff Lee the Indians ace?

theoretically

[Nightfyre]

:shake:

[Sure-Oz]

Damn i didnt know choo had a gun

[WilliamTheIrish]

We have got to be the dumbest team in the history of MLB

[Mr. Krab]

Coco needs to get his average up. A MLB player shouldn't bat .240.

[Nightfyre]

Rather than stranding runners, we're going to try to make the game go by more efficiently by getting out on the basepaths today.

[Silock]

WTF? What is UP with our baserunning?

We need some t-ball coaches or something, because we are missing some serious fundamentals.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Damn i didnt know choo had a gun

Choo has a great arm. The play was right in FRONT of Callaspo. There's no excuse for this kind of stupid play. None.

[BigMeatballDave]

WTF

[KCUnited]

I'd rather have a guy try to stretch a double with 2 outs, than a dumbass trying to tag to 3rd with 1 out.

[VonneMarie]

We have got to be the dumbest team in the history of MLB

This

[alnorth]

Top 4th

Choo flies out to right
DeRosa grounds out to shortstop
Francisco walks
LaPorta singles to center, Francisco scores, LaPorta to second on the throw home
Shoppach flies out to center

1 run, 1 hit

Bottom 4th

Butler strikes out (looking)
Guillen singles to left
Jacobs strikes out (swinging)
Teahen flies out to left

0 runs, 1 hit

[Nightfyre]

"Ball is hit to right..." *Crowd holds their collective breath.... and collectively sighs after Guillen barely avoids falling on his ass making a routine catch.*

[Chiefless]

Choo has a great arm. The play was right in FRONT of Callaspo. There's no excuse for this kind of stupid play. None.

AC is near the top of the league in doubles...I wonder if he was thinking about that as he was trying to stretch an obvious single into a double...:shake:

[WilliamTheIrish]

I'd rather have a guy try to stretch a double with 2 outs, than a dumbass trying to tag to 3rd with 1 out.

Those two plays were of equal stupidity. One play being dumber than the other, does not make either palatable.

[Nightfyre]

He's not actually going to run. They just wanted to get him dirty.... Well shit.

[VonneMarie]

Why the fuck did he hesitate? You fucking dumbass!!!!! You fuck!

[VonneMarie]

Dumbest fucking team ever!

[petegz28]

I put Callaspo on Koontz. He should haveheld him.
Posted via Mobile Device

[KCUnited]

Those two plays were of equal stupidity. One play being dumber than the other, does not make either palatable.
I disagree. One guy taking a chance to get into scoring position with 2 outs and a guy already in scoring position taking a chance to get to 3rd with 1 out is different, too me anyway.

[Mr. Krab]

"Ball is hit to right..." *Crowd holds their collective breath.... and collectively sighs after Guillen barely avoids falling on his ass making a routine catch.*
Guillen or Jacobs must be gone for next year, neither should be playing the field.

[WilliamTheIrish]

That was ridiculous. It must be difficult comprehending this defense of you're a pitcher.

Let's see. If I induce a two out pop up to short RCF, I can count on my RF waiting for my CF to put in max effort, who will however, miss the catch. My RF, will allow the ball to get past him by just a few steps, whereby the runner at 1st, who will take off with pitch, will round 3rd as my RF, throws the ball to the cutoff man at 2b, who seems to not understand English, or nobody tells him to throw home, so when he finally realizes that the runner isn't breaking stride, throws too late to the plate.

Our pitching staff probably all have daily appointments with Greinke's shrink.

[Nightfyre]

Jacobs swings at a pitch thats roughly at eye level.

[BAS]

This team can be so frustrating and depressing at times. We have some guys that really make some nice offensive plays, but they often get followed by bad at-bats. It's really not the pitching. We just seem to want to beat ourselves.

[DeezNutz]

pete, where did you get the hat?

[alnorth]

Top 5th

Valbuena bunts an infield single to third
Cabrera bunts an infield single to pitcher, Valbuena to second
Sizemore grounds into a 3-6-3-4-2 double play, Cabrera to second, Valbuena out at home
Martinez grounds out to first 3-1

0 runs, 2 hits

Bottom 5th

Olivo singles to left
DeJesus sacrifices (bunt) to pitcher, Olivo to second
Bloomquist flies out to center, Olivo to third
Crisp grounds out to shortstop

0 runs, 1 hit

[DeezNutz]

Cleveland executing well there.

[petegz28]

That was ridiculous. It must be difficult comprehending this defense of you're a pitcher.

Let's see. If I induce a two out pop up to short RCF, I can count on my RF waiting for my CF to put in max effort, who will however, miss the catch. My RF, will allow the ball to get past him by just a few steps, whereby the runner at 1st, who will take off with pitch, will round 3rd as my RF, throws the ball to the cutoff man at 2b, who seems to not understand English, or nobody tells him to throw home, so when he finally realizes that the runner isn't breaking stride, throws too late to the plate.

Our pitching staff probably all have daily appointments with Greinke's shrink.
more of that fundamental baseball
Posted via Mobile Device

[Nightfyre]

Ugh.

[DeezNutz]

Wow. 2 in a row is embarrassing.

[BAS]

Are they just going to bunt all night? What the hell?

[VonneMarie]

I hate Cleveland, even the one in Family Guy to.

[alnorth]

Are they just going to bunt all night? What the hell?

If you could count on laying down perfect bunts like that on a whim, sure. Not likely

[DeezNutz]

Olivo mad because his pride was hurt, I believe.

[Mr. Krab]

Olivo just got punked. Maybe our guys will actually show some spine now.

[Blankey]

Olivo... get low buddy

[DeezNutz]

Olivo should have lowered the boom on that sumbitch.

[BigMeatballDave]

Why were they booing? The catcher is blocking the plate, Its the runners job to try to knock the ball loose.

[WilliamTheIrish]

I disagree. One guy taking a chance to get into scoring position with 2 outs and a guy already in scoring position taking a chance to get to 3rd with 1 out is different, too me anyway.

I'll sum it up by paraphrasing Bob Davis' radio call:

“Line down the right field line, it is…FAIR! Let’s see if he can get to second, the throw is gonna be close….and he is….out by a wide margin.”

Callaspo ran the bases as poorly as Bob Davis follows the game.

[BAS]

One thing is pretty good: Bannister has his pitch count down. He may make it past the 7th at this rate.

[alnorth]

Top 5th

Valbuena bunts an infield single to third
Cabrera bunts an infield single to pitcher, Valbuena to second
Sizemore grounds into a 3-6-3-4-2 double play, Cabrera to second, Valbuena out at home


You dont see that every day

[BigMeatballDave]

Olivo just got punked. I don't think so. He got the runner out.

[leviw]

Why were they booing? The catcher is blocking the plate, Its the runners job to try to knock the ball loose.

I think it was because he stood over Olivo and glared after he ran him over.

[Mr. Krab]

Why were they booing? The catcher is blocking the plate, Its the runners job to try to knock the ball loose.
Because the bad guy on the other team just ran over the good guy on our team.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Miguel thought he was going to lay the wood while tagging high. Instead he got whacked.

[DeezNutz]

I think it was because he stood over Olivo and glared after he ran him over.

Thought he was just looking to see if the ball came loose.

Clean play, IMO.

[VonneMarie]

It would be awesome if Olivo could hit it out of the park right now.

[alnorth]

The fans are being stupid, its part of baseball. I know its not a physical game, but you cant complain about the one and only kind of bone-jarring confrontational play possible in this game.

[leviw]

Thought he was just looking to see if the ball came loose.

Clean play, IMO.

I don't think it was dirty either. I wouldn't mess with Miguel.

[VonneMarie]

A single is nice.

[WilliamTheIrish]

You dont see that every day

I'm stunned that the players on this team managed to throw the ball to 5 different players (not counting throwing the ball around the horn) without losing it in the OF.

[teedubya]

Pete: Shut Up!

[DeezNutz]

I'm stunned that the players on this team managed to throw the ball to 5 different players (not counting throwing the ball around the horn) without losing it in the OF.

Me, too.

I thought that was going to be a sure run.

[DeezNutz]

Hate the bunt call.

[BigRock]

Olivo just got punked.

The runner was out AND the front of his uni has noticable bloodstains.

WINNER: MIGUEL

[Mr. Krab]

The fans are being stupid, its part of baseball. I know its not a physical game, but you cant complain about the one and only kind of bone-jarring confrontational play possible in this game.
Stupid or showing loyalty and support to their player?

[WilliamTheIrish]

Okay @ 3rd with 2 out...

[DeezNutz]

Stupid or showing loyalty and support to their player?

These aren't mutually exclusive.

Did you forget you're on a Chiefs board?

[VonneMarie]

OMFG this team sucks right now.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Groundout 6-3. WTI lets loose with a G Brett stream of invectives.. Yea and F you and F you and F you and F you...

[BAS]

Great job wasting a runner by hitting the first pitch thrown to you.

[alnorth]

Stupid or showing loyalty and support to their player?

the correct reaction is to cheer that you got the out and move on to the next inning. Booing the other player for not giving himself up is stupid, not loyal.

[DeezNutz]

Ok, Hillman's strategy failed there.

Anyone want to bet that he WON'T sac bunt in a nearly identical situation later in the game?

[Sure-Oz]

This offense is dogshit

[alnorth]

Ok, Hillman's strategy failed there.

Anyone want to bet that he WON'T sac bunt in a nearly identical situation later in the game?

It would be nice.

[DeezNutz]

It would be nice.

I agree.

But I've never seen a manager who loved to play small ball early but not late, you know...when at least one could make a more defensible argument for it...

[DeezNutz]

Lack of range glaring there.

[BAS]

fu$%$!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr. Krab]

the correct reaction is to cheer that you got the out and move on to the next inning. Booing the other player for not giving himself up is stupid, not loyal.
"the correct ... "?

what a freakin' baseball snob. :eek:


Fan = You look for any reason to boo the other team and cheer your team.

[DeezNutz]

SO or pop up, please.

[DeezNutz]

Had the run at the plate if he wanted him...

[alnorth]

"the correct ... "?

what a freakin' baseball snob. :eek:


Fan = You look for any reason to boo the other team and cheer your team.

How does it make any sense at all to boo the other team for trying to take out your catcher? That would be about as retarded as booing the other team for sacking your quarterback in football. Its his freaking JOB.

[alnorth]

Top 6th

Choo singles to center
DeRosa singles to center, Choo to third
Francisco grounds into a 5-4-3 double play, DeRosa out at second, Choo scores
LaPorta hit by pitch
Shoppach homers to center, LaPorta scores
Valbuena strikes out (swinging)

3 runs, 3 hits

Bottom 6th

Callaspo flies out to right
Butler doubles to center
Guillen singles to center, Butler scores, Guillen to second on the throw home
Jacobs grounds out to pitcher, Guillen to third
Teahen pops out to shortstop

1 run, 2 hits

[VonneMarie]

Game over.

[petegz28]

Had the run at the plate if he wanted him...

more of the barnyard fundamentals.
Posted via Mobile Device

[DeezNutz]

more of the barnyard fundamentals.
Posted via Mobile Device

If we could muster any offense I'd take the double play in a second, but how pathetically we swing it really gives you pause in that situation.

[Mr. Krab]

How does it make any sense at all to boo the other team for trying to take out your catcher? That would be about as retarded as booing the other team for sacking your quarterback in football. Its his freaking JOB.
Hell yes, you boo another team for any reason you can think or manufacture, any slight real or imagined.

Booooooo!!!!

[WoodDraw]

How does it make any sense at all to boo the other team for trying to take out your catcher? That would be about as retarded as booing the other team for sacking your quarterback in football. Its his freaking JOB.

When are fans rational?

If anything, baseball fans are too complacent. Heeey, they video board says clap! Let's clap!

Say what you want about soccer, but at these soccer fans know how to be fans.

Wait, I think the 7th inning stretch is coming up... Will someone show me the lyrics, or are we doing the kiss cam now? :rolleyes:

[DeezNutz]

Yep.

[Mr. Krab]

Homer ... Game ovah

[KCUnited]

Only a matter of time.

[BAS]

OK, now FU@##@$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BigMeatballDave]

poo

[DeezNutz]

What a fucking joke.

[Chiefless]

How does it make any sense at all to boo the other team for trying to take out your catcher? That would be about as retarded as booing the other team for sacking your quarterback in football. Its his freaking JOB.

Agreed...booing the other team for that play is almost like cheering for them. I say cheer your team and ignore the other one as much as possible. Olivo deserves them for surviving a violent collision while holding onto the ball.

[Stanley Nickels]

You would've thought Hillman would pull Banny after seeing he had no control on his pitches, which is EXACTLY what got him in trouble last time.
Or after he walked the first batter.
Or after the second batter EASILY hit it right down the middle, where he was aiming.

That would make too much sense.

So why pull him after the inevitable two-run homer? Games over, I guess, huh Hillman??

[alnorth]

You would've thought Hillman would pull Banny after seeing he had no control on his pitches, which is EXACTLY what got him in trouble last time.
Or after he walked the first batter.
Or after the second batter EASILY hit it right down the middle, where he was aiming.

That would make too much sense.

So why pull him after the inevitable two-run homer? Games over, I guess, huh Hillman??

Yep, he obviously should have pulled one of our best pitchers after 80-something pitches because he didnt throw well to 2 consecutive hitters. Thats something that anybody would have easily seen without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

I realize that hating Hillman is the cool thing to do these days, but sometimes... just sometimes the players lose the game and its not the manager's fault at all.

[Mr. Krab]

Agreed...booing the other team for that play is almost like cheering for them. I say cheer your team and ignore the other one as much as possible. Olivo deserves them for surviving a violent collision while holding onto the ball.
How civil of you.

Can someone get this bloke a cup of tea please.

[BAS]

You would've thought Hillman would pull Banny after seeing he had no control on his pitches, which is EXACTLY what got him in trouble last time.
Or after he walked the first batter.
Or after the second batter EASILY hit it right down the middle, where he was aiming.

That would make too much sense.

So why pull him after the inevitable two-run homer? Games over, I guess, huh Hillman??

He has pitched reasonable for the 5th starter in the rotation. He also has pretty good command and not many walks.

This is a really bad complaint.STFU

[DeezNutz]

I'm frankly always amazed when Bannister doesn't give up the gopher ball.

[Pioli Zombie]

I've missed everything so far. Is Guillen playing on the warning track the whole game as usual?
Posted via Mobile Device

[Stanley Nickels]

Yep, he obviously should have pulled one of our best pitchers after 80-something pitches because he didnt throw well to 2 consecutive hitters. Thats something that anybody would have easily seen without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

I realize that hating Hillman is the cool thing to do these days, but sometimes... just sometimes the players lose the game and its not the manager's fault at all.

Clearly, I have a history of hating on Hillman. Glad you searched my post history.

Actually, if you know anything about me, you'd know I'm a huge managerial apologist. But if he had any sense-- and, for that matter, if you did-- he'd know that Banny starts losing control on his pitches around 80, and because of his style, that usually means the sixth inning.

But go ahead and chalk it up to 20/20 hindsight. Other team's managers dont.

[WoodDraw]

Yep, he obviously should have pulled one of our best pitchers after 80-something pitches because he didnt throw well to 2 consecutive hitters. Thats something that anybody would have easily seen without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

I realize that hating Hillman is the cool thing to do these days, but sometimes... just sometimes the players lose the game and its not the manager's fault at all.

Thank you.

Who do you guys think Bannister is?

Bannister is good, but he's good in that he's a quality back of the line starter.

Hillman did nothing wrong; you guys all just think the Royals are a lot better than they are. There's nothing wrong with that, other than it's going to be a hell of a long season for some of you.

[BAS]

God I love Billy Butler. If someone else around him could do something, this could be good for us.

Let's get to the bullpen soon!

[alnorth]

Clearly, I have a history of hating on Hillman. Glad you searched my post history.

Actually, if you know anything about me, you'd know I'm a huge managerial apologist. But if he had any sense-- and, for that matter, if you did-- he'd know that Banny starts losing control on his pitches around 80, and because of his style, that usually means the sixth inning.

But go ahead and chalk it up to 20/20 hindsight. Other team's managers dont.

I didnt research you at all because I couldnt care less about whether or not you hated on Hillman in the past. It was a general observation and nothing changes the fact that leaving Bannister in wasnt some kind of mind-blowing stupid idea.

[DeezNutz]

Billy Butler has been impressive in the 3 hole.

[Chiefless]

Clearly, I have a history of hating on Hillman. Glad you searched my post history.

Actually, if you know anything about me, you'd know I'm a huge managerial apologist. But if he had any sense-- and, for that matter, if you did-- he'd know that Banny starts losing control on his pitches around 80, and because of his style, that usually means the sixth inning.

But go ahead and chalk it up to 20/20 hindsight. Other team's managers dont.

I get your point...But Banny has to get that straightened out and STAT.

[WoodDraw]

Clearly, I have a history of hating on Hillman. Glad you searched my post history.

Actually, if you know anything about me, you'd know I'm a huge managerial apologist. But if he had any sense-- and, for that matter, if you did-- he'd know that Banny starts losing control on his pitches around 80, and because of his style, that usually means the sixth inning.

But go ahead and chalk it up to 20/20 hindsight. Other team's managers dont.


PROVE IT! PROVE IT!

[DeezNutz]

Was anyone aware that Jacobs doesn't do too well against LHP?

[Stanley Nickels]

Thank you.

Who do you guys think Bannister is?

Bannister is good, but he's good in that he's a quality back of the line starter.

Hillman did nothing wrong; you guys all just think the Royals are a lot better than they are. There's nothing wrong with that, other than it's going to be a hell of a long season for some of you.

I'm going to say this one more time, and NOT AGAIN after that. Bannister has a solid history of losing control of his pitches around 80. The bulk of his earned runs fall between 70-100-- and, yes, that's to be expected from pitchers. But it's the MANAGER'S JOB, especially in a one-run game, to know when to bring in his bullpen.

To think otherwise is, well, unwise.

[DeezNutz]

Fuck.

Had him played perfectly.

[Sure-Oz]

Damn our offense sucks

[Chiefless]

I'm going to say this one more time, and NOT AGAIN after that. Bannister has a solid history of losing control of his pitches around 80. The bulk of his earned runs fall between 70-100-- and, yes, that's to be expected from pitchers. But it's the MANAGER'S JOB, especially in a one-run game, to know when to bring in his bullpen.

To think otherwise is, well, unwise.

Then he should not be starting in the majors.

[alnorth]

I'm going to say this one more time, and NOT AGAIN after that. Bannister has a solid history of losing control of his pitches around 80. The bulk of his earned runs fall between 70-100-- and, yes, that's to be expected from pitchers. But it's the MANAGER'S JOB, especially in a one-run game, to know when to bring in his bullpen.

To think otherwise is, well, unwise.

If thats true, then he should be in the bullpen. His record says otherwise

[WoodDraw]

P.S. And Bannister's best start of the year, he gave up [drum roll] 6 walks.

Which isn't to say he's a mystery, as much as he's not a very good pitcher. He's susceptible to everything a pitcher of his type is which is: luck, poor control, and the home run ball. Along with giving up some runs.

[alnorth]

How civil of you.

Can someone get this bloke a cup of tea please.

I kind of see it another way. If we are that concerned about Olivo's safety out there on a collision then he's a pansy and should give way to a real man to catch.

[Stanley Nickels]

Then he should not be starting in the majors.

The funny thing is, lack of control in higher pitch counts is the reason HOCHEVAR was in the minors so long.. until he proved he could sustain his two best pitches up to the 100 mark. Wouldn't have expected it from Banny.

[DeezNutz]

Bannister: susceptible to suck.

[petegz28]

Teahen hits more fluttering drives....they look good coming off the bat and die quick.
Posted via Mobile Device

[Stanley Nickels]

If thats true, then he should be in the bullpen. His record says otherwise

Yeah. For a guy that went 9-16 in 2008, I would've expected dominance.

[Mr. Krab]

I kind of see it another way. If we are that concerned about Olivo's safety out there on a collision then he's a pansy and should give way to a real man to catch.
That has exactly what to do with "Booing" the other team as much as you possibly can?

[Sure-Oz]

Bannister: susceptible to suck.

When you have pretty much zero stuff that can happen. Jamie Moyer may be the exception

[alnorth]

Yeah. For a guy that went 9-16 in 2008, I would've expected dominance.

or a guy who went 12-9 for a horrible team?

[alnorth]

That has exactly what to do with "Booing" the other team as much as you possibly can?

You hit our catcher! You could have hurt him! You bastard! BOOOOO!

[alnorth]

Top 7th

Cabrera flies out to center
Sizemore pops out to shortstop
Martinez walks
Choo flies out to left

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 7th

Olivo strikes out (swinging)
DeJesus flies out to left
Bloomquist grounds out to shortstop

0 runs, 0 hits

[Stanley Nickels]

or a guy who went 12-9 for a horrible team?

Quick, name five pitchers who pitch this season more like they did in 2007 than 2008. But if it helps your point, I guess you can select whatever stats you'd like instead of the most recent..

[petegz28]

Everyone: Shut up with the booing talk. That is what happens at the plate.
Posted via Mobile Device

[KCUnited]

Stand Up And Shooooouuuuutttt!!!

[Stanley Nickels]

Gotta go to a softball game- go Royals.

[DeezNutz]

Everyone: Shut up with the booing talk. That is what happens at the plate.
Posted via Mobile Device

In a surprising twist, pete tells the masses to shut the fuck up.

[alnorth]

Quick, name five pitchers who pitch this season more like they did in 2007 than 2008. But if it helps your point, I guess you can select whatever stats you'd like instead of the most recent..

point is, if the "fact" that he falls apart after 5 were some universal truth etched in stone, then he shouldnt be starting ever under nearly any circumstances. The Royals obviously believe otherwise, so leaving him in there at the slightest whiff of trouble is not a stupid idea.

Your acting as if we just had two starters go down and we have to bring our long-reliever out for an emergency start.

[Chiefless]

You hit our catcher! You could have hurt him! You bastard! BOOOOO!

ROFL

[Chiefless]

In a surprising twist, pete tells the masses to shut the **** up.

ROFLROFLROFL

[DeezNutz]

I'm going to allude to our offense from henceforth as the "Little Blue Pill."

Some days, however, it's more akin to the "Morning After."

[DeezNutz]

Olivo no likey sliders.

[Sure-Oz]

Everyone: Shut up with the booing talk. That is what happens at the plate.
Posted via Mobile Device

STFU n00b

You should be double fisting $10 beers right now

[DeezNutz]

25% of fans voting for the stolen base.

1972 flashback...

[Sure-Oz]

DDJ went "Awwwwwww"

[DeezNutz]

DDJ went "Awwwwwww"

It was because he swallowed his gum and he was working on the PERFECT bubble.

He didn't give a fuck about the pop up.

[alnorth]

Top 8th

DeRosa grounds out to pitcher
Francisco flies out to left
LaPorta strikes out (looking)

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 8th

Crisp flies out to right
Callaspo flies out to right
Butler flies out to right

0 runs, 0 hits

[DeezNutz]

alnorth, do you always assign the W and L as the game progresses or are you working reverse mojo?

[Mr. Krab]

You hit our catcher! You could have hurt him! You bastard! BOOOOO!
Which has almost nothing to do whether we think our catcher is hurt. It has to do with "yea us, boo them".

[alnorth]

alnorth, do you always assign the W and L as the game progresses or are you working reverse mojo?

No, not reverse mojo. Thats who would win and lose if the game is rained out and ends right now. Sometimes its confusing when a tie is broken late with relievers out, so I keep track of who is the pitcher of record. I put up an (S) if a reliever comes in for a save situation.

[alnorth]

Which has almost nothing to do whether we think our catcher is hurt. It has to do with "yea us, boo them".

booing doesnt seem to have anything to do with "yay us" to me. More like "your playing dirty, thats not fair!", but thats just me.

[Chiefless]

Which has almost nothing to do whether we think our catcher is hurt. It has to do with "yea us, boo them".

But boo them for what? It was the best option available? If he had tried to take out his knees or something, then I say boo away and throw your beers at him too.

[DeezNutz]

No, not reverse mojo. Thats who would win and lose if the game is rained out and ends right now. Sometimes its confusing when a tie is broken late with relievers out, so I keep track of who is the pitcher of record. I put up an (S) if a reliever comes in for a save situation.

That's cool (and a very good idea). Just never noticed, I suppose.

[Deberg_1990]

He has pitched reasonable for the 5th starter in the rotation. He also has pretty good command and not many walks.

This is a really bad complaint.STFU


This.

Once again the offense fails to show up.

4th and 5th starters are doing fairly well if they hold the other team to 4 or 5 runs.

Especially in the American League.

This teams problem isnt pitching. Its hitting.

[Mr. Krab]

booing doesnt seem to have anything to do with "yay us" to me. More like "your playing dirty, thats not fair!", but thats just me.ROFL

Have you ever watched the television show "Bones"?

You go, Temperance.

[Chiefless]

This.

Once again the offense fails to show up.

4th and 5th starters are doing fairly well if they hold the other team to 4 or 5 runs.

Especially in the American League.

This teams problem isnt pitching. Its hitting.

Well we are throwing our 5 at their ace. I'd say this loss would be expected.

[DeezNutz]

Yep.

You're not winning shit by scoring 2 runs. Aside from the general ineptitude at the plate, baserunning mistakes are the other legit gripe for this game.

[Chiefless]

I'd like to see Grienke tomorrow. He'd have his 4 days of rest and could take his place as the staff ace.

[DeezNutz]

Biiiillllaaaayyyy.

[SPchief]

NICE play from BIIILLLLAAYYY

[Mr. Krab]

But boo them for what? It was the best option available? If he had tried to take out his knees or something, then I say boo away and throw your beers at him too.
Jesus, you boo them because they are the other team!!

Why do you cheer for your team before the game even starts, they haven't done anything? Why do heckle the other team's batter, "hey batter,batter..." was he mean to your mother? Why do we call John Elway "horse face" when his face isn't really part horse?

You guys can't really be this detached from normal fandom, can you?

[alnorth]

Boooo! You damaged our precious catcher! Boooo!

[alnorth]

Top 9th

Kyle Farnsworth relieves Ramirez

Shoppach lines out to first
Valbuena grounds out to second
Cabrera flies out to left

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 9th

Kerry Wood relieves Lee

Guillen grounds out to second
Jacobs homers to right
Teahen homers to left
Olivo walks

Mitch Maier runs for Olivo

DeJesus triples to center, Maier scores
Bloomquist sacrifices (fly) to right, DeJesus scores

4 runs, 3 hits

Royals win, 6-5

[alnorth]

oh please dont let Lee go for the complete game. Bring out your crappy closer.

[Mr. Krab]

oh please dont let Lee go for the complete game. Bring out your crappy closer.
What did their closer ever do to you. Don't be so mean.

[DeezNutz]

Farnsworth records 3 outs on 3 softly hit balls.

[Sure-Oz]

DDJ nice catch

[Chiefless]

Jesus, you boo them because they are the other team!!

Why do you cheer for your team before the game even starts, they haven't done anything? Why do heckle the other team's batter, "hey batter,batter..." was he mean to your mother? Why do we call John Elway "horse face" when his face isn't really part horse?

You guys can't really be this detached from normal fandom, can you?

Not really...I watch every pitch of about 100 royals games a year on GameCast. That probably does not equate to normal fandom.

[Sure-Oz]

11 straight scoreless innings for farnsy

[Sure-Oz]

Thats a strike huh

[Sure-Oz]

Good god mike jacobs can homer with the best of them, if he only had plate discipline

[DeezNutz]

Jacobs tacks on his usual late inning worthless HR.

[SPchief]

BOOM


And Jacobs is gonna break the Royals HR record this year

[Chiefless]

I knew it! Shoulda posted it.

[Fish]

Stayin alive... stayin alive..... ooh ooh ohh ohh stayin aliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive............

[Sure-Oz]

HR TEAHEN!

[SPchief]

BOOM

Teahen!!

[DeezNutz]

Jacobs tacks on his usual late inning worthless HR.

Well, don't listen to this fucking moron.

Nice, Teahen.

[Sure-Oz]

Well, don't listen to this ****ing moron.

Nice, Teahen.

ROFL

[DeezNutz]

Chick with enormous tits.

[Sure-Oz]

Cmon Olivo!

[Chiefless]

Just needed to see a righty aparently.

[SPchief]

Olivo wanted that one

[alnorth]

Given Wood's hilarious struggles this year, and that Lee didnt have a pitch count all that high, this could go down as a pretty stupid move.

[DeezNutz]

Cool.

[SPchief]

Here we go

[Sure-Oz]

C'mon DDJ have a good AB here!

[Fish]

DDJ... come on homie.....

[DeezNutz]

DDJ better not hit into his patented DP.

[Chiefless]

Didn't bite on the slider this time

[DeezNutz]

Nice move by Hillman.

[SPchief]

Shit sit on them until he throws a strike

[VonneMarie]

Double play DeJesus...

[DeezNutz]

Tie game!

[SPchief]

TIE FUCKING GAME!!!!

[Sure-Oz]

FUCK YA DDJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REDEMPTION B ITCHESSSSSSSSSs

[DeezNutz]

HUGE! HUGE!

Sorry, was looking at my penis.

[BAS]

DDJ!!! Nice clutch hit!

[Fish]

Tied up motherfuckers...... Go Royals!

[Mr. Krab]

triple, game tied!! PBJ

[Nightfyre]

WOOOO LETS SEE THAT SQUEEZE MOFOS!