The hypocrisy of NASCAR

[Luke]

I didn't think this would fit in the boogery boogery thread.

With the recent suspension of driver Jeremy Mayfield for an as of yet unreported "drug" violation, I have began to notice many hypocrisys in one of my favorite sports.

Suposedly born from the transportation of illegal alcohol, the sport until recently would not allow "hard" liquor to sponsor race teams. Beer companies were OK evidently, as in Budwieser, Coors, Miller, yet no hard liquor. The Minor league as it were was named the Busch Cup, while the Winston Cup was the premium championship. I guess RJ Reynolds was not deemed "family friendly" anymore.

With drivers such as Carl Edwards hawking Claritin-D, which is as I understand on the list of prohibited substances, and the Wallace family pushing 5 hour performance enhancing juice, hypocricy seems to be reaching a new level.

I understand that piloting a ton and a half machine at 200 mph along with 42 other racers then trying to turn left is rather risky. I would not be in favor of racers injesting alcohol, meth, herion or cocain and getting behind the wheel.

NASCAR management seems to have quite a bit of flexibility in the rules when they pertain to certain racing familes. Yet they plead zero tolerence to drugs against other folks.

Maybe it is the bad economy, falling ticket sales, or lack of business financing, but for any sport to grow I feel the rules should be uniform for all.

Rant over, thank you for your time.

[Bugeater]

Oh crap, you called it a sport.

[kcxiv]

Oh crap, you called it a sport.

Like it or not, its classified in the sport, you can say its not until every single person hears you in America, but they still classify it as one.

Now, about the otehr stuff the OP was asking. Oh well. lol

[KC native]

Watch Formula 1. They do more than turn left, have tobacco and alcohol sponsors (provided the country allows it), and it's actually interesting. Monaco is this weekend and it's a bad ass race

http://www.formula1.com/

[Fat Elvis]

Like it or not, its classified in the sport, you can say its not until every single person hears you in America, but they still classify it as one.

Now, about the otehr stuff the OP was asking. Oh well. lol

ESPN also shows the Scripps National Spelling Bee....

[Fat Elvis]

http://www.olympic.org/upload/sports/main/cu_main.jpg


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http://phoenix.fanster.com/victorylane/files/2008/12/nascar7.jpg


In terms of being a sport anyway; at least one is an olympic event....

[Bugeater]

Watch Formula 1. They do more than turn left, have tobacco and alcohol sponsors (provided the country allows it), and it's actually interesting. Monaco is this weekend and it's a bad ass race

http://www.formula1.com/
That shit is way more boring than NASCAR.

[kcxiv]

ESPN also shows the Scripps National Spelling Bee....

Good for espn.


My previous statement still stands.

[KC native]

That shit is way more boring than NASCAR.

You're nuts. They do more than just turn left all afternoon. The cars are superior. The drivers are superior. It's the pinnacle of racing.

[KCChiefsMan]

The success of nascar and hiphop music explains why this country is going down the crapper.

[kcxiv]

The success of nascar and hiphop music explains why this country is going down the crapper.

Success of Dancing with the Stars and American Idol explains it.


When i see the 30 million Americans watching them 2 fucking shows, i am like why why why why why why? wtf is the appeal.

[KCChiefsMan]

Success of Dancing with the Stars and American Idol explains it.


When i see the 30 million Americans watching them 2 ****ing shows, i am like why why why why why why? wtf is the appeal.

ya, that too.

[Kyle DeLexus]

Success of Dancing with the Stars and American Idol explains it.


When i see the 30 million Americans watching them 2 ****ing shows, i am like why why why why why why? wtf is the appeal.

Shawn Johnson.....:drool:

[Dylan]

[QUOTE=KC native;5778931]Watch Formula 1. They do more than turn left, have tobacco and alcohol sponsors (provided the country allows it), and it's actually interesting. Monaco is this weekend and it's a bad ass race

Formula 1 is ok if you like computerized racing or your driver, who at a press of a button have "bursts of speed to overtake his opponent." As long as his "opponent doesn't have any boost left."

One of the most intriguing aspects of Formula 1 is the secrecy and high-stakes of sabatage.

2009 Formula 1 Racecar Changes

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[kstater]

I'm fairly certain NASCAR didn't choose to have RJ Reynolds stop being the title sponsor.

[Katipan]

and im pretty sure there is a driver sponsored by jack daniels
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[Bugeater]

You're nuts. They do more than just turn left all afternoon. The cars are superior. The drivers are superior. It's the pinnacle of racing.
That may all be true, but it still doesn't make it exciting to watch.

and im pretty sure there is a driver sponsored by jack daniels
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You may want to re-read the first sentence of the third paragraph again.

[Katipan]

You may want to re-read the first sentence of the third paragraph again.

Nah.

[milkman]

Success of Dancing with the Stars and American Idol explains it.


When i see the 30 million Americans watching them 2 ****ing shows, i am like why why why why why why? wtf is the appeal.

When I see someone bitching about the downfall of America while using "them 2 ****ing shows", I find it difficult to even imagine they have a ****ing clue.

[milkman]

Like it or not, its classified in the sport, you can say its not until every single person hears you in America, but they still classify it as one.

Now, about the otehr stuff the OP was asking. Oh well. lol

Who give's a rat's ass how it's classified?

If I think an activity is not a sport, then to me it isn't a sport.

[Al Bundy]

The drivers are superior.
That would be incorrect.

[Fat Elvis]

When I see someone bitching about the downfall of America while using "them 2 ****ing shows", I find it difficult to even imagine they have a ****ing clue.

QFT

[jidar]

I don't get it.
If the rednecks in this country were going to make racing into a huge sport why didn't they pick rally racing or something, but no they picked driving in a circle? What the hell?

[Skip Towne]

That shit is way more boring than NASCAR.

That's unpossible

[Dylan]

what could be more exciting than watching someone slam you through the wall at speeds over 200mph? watching someone get their knee blown out? http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/images/smilies/ponder.gif


(bugeater) http://fatchatter.com/forum/Smileys/fatchatter/yahoo.gif LOL























LMAO ;)

[Dylan]

That's unpossible

LMAO

[dtebbe]

I'm fairly certain NASCAR didn't choose to have RJ Reynolds stop being the title sponsor.

And you would be right. They were legislated out by the "tobacco settlement" that limited their participation in sports advertising.

DT

[morphius]

I didn't think the change from Winston to Nextel/Sprint had anything to do with their feelings about cig's, but had more to do with RJ Reynolds not renewing and Nextel jumping in with the bucks to sponsor it.

As for hard liquor, there were a lot of restrictions on advertising on TV for hard liquor, and the NASCAR ban probably had to fall in line to be aired on TV. I still think they can only advertise the hard stuff after prime time, while things like Cariton can be advertised any time of the day.

So I guess I really have no idea what you are upset about.

[Fairplay]

They advertise Viagra on one of those cars. Maybe Mark Martin's. :D

[Fairplay]

As for hard liquor, there were a lot of restrictions on advertising on TV for hard liquor, and the NASCAR ban probably had to fall in line to be aired on TV. I still think they can only advertise the hard stuff after prime time, while things like Cariton can be advertised any time of the day.



I think there is a car that had Jack Daniels on the hood of it currently.

[Katipan]

I think there is a car that had Jack Daniels on the hood of it currently.

I thought that was the driver's name.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

You're nuts. They do more than just turn left all afternoon. The cars are superior. The drivers are superior. It's the pinnacle of racing.

But still, nobody gives a shit.

[Fairplay]

I thought that was the driver's name.

Yeah, with a picture of A j.D. bottle under his name.

[Fairplay]

There is a car that advertises M & M's don't eat the green ones though.

[Fairplay]

There is a car with a sponsered by Dollar General. I bet they have the best car and people money can buy on it. :rolleyes:

[morphius]

I think there is a car that had Jack Daniels on the hood of it currently.
Well, they did loosen up the rules on that for TV a few years back, but hey, you have a better reason for it?

[Mojo Jojo]

It's not just NASCAR, the NFL used to have an official E.D. sponsor. If the check doesn't bounce the money is good.

[Katipan]

Yeah, with a picture of A j.D. bottle under his name.

Yes. Exactly.

[Gonzo]

I wish they'd all turn right for once.

[Fairplay]

Well, they did loosen up the rules on that for TV a few years back, but hey, you have a better reason for it?

No, i was just stating the facts. They could advertise condoms on their cars for all i care.

[Katipan]

I wish they'd all turn right for once.

A reversed race would be badass.

So would NASCAR Figure 8s.

[Skip Towne]

I wish they'd all turn right for once.

They need a halftime then turn right in the 2nd half.

[Fairplay]

Nascar has 3 road race tracks where the driver has to turn right on the track at a few spots.

[Fairplay]

The X games had those high energy drinks ads all over.

They are legal drinks so why not. Its all about he money as GTA would say.

[Fairplay]

I think the UFC would be all over trying to get their ad on one of those cars.

Nascar is generally a guy sport. It would be perfect.

[Saccopoo]

You're nuts. They do more than just turn left all afternoon. The cars are superior. The drivers are superior. It's the pinnacle of racing.

My vote goes to the World Rally Cup, but the Formula/Le Mans series is a close second in terms of being "the best" in overall racing skills.

[Abba-Dabba]

You're nuts. They do more than just turn left all afternoon. The cars are superior. The drivers are superior. It's the pinnacle of racing.

ROFL

They do more than turn left. Anyone that says they just turn left is completely naive of what it takes to turn a 3400lb stock car. A stock car slips and slides all over the place. If you're only turning left, you would never make it around 1 lap. F1 drivers are superior? Hardly. Each driver in F1 and NASCAR are both highly talented. I'm pretty sure Juan Pablo Montoya, multiple F1 winner, Indy 500 winner, CART champion, Rolex 24 winner, who now drives in NASCAR, would highly disagree with you conclusion.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_IfM5X7QIU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmvkXxQySrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp5P5rk4Fts

It's hard to imagine where do you guys come up with this nonsense. It simply reeks of naivete of not knowing what the **** you are talking about.

[Katipan]

I think the UFC would be all over trying to get their ad on one of those cars.

Nascar is generally a guy sport. It would be perfect.

Anything short of a primary sponsorship would be worthless. I'm guessing 20 Million is pretty steep for an industry that just recently got out of the red. If they're even out now.

[L.A. Chieffan]

its like fuck it, my car is is sponsored by beer so im gonna drink beer mother fuckers!

*HIGH FIVE*

[Saccopoo]

The X games had those high energy drinks ads all over.

They are legal drinks so why not. Its all about he money as GTA would say.

Those drinks are only legal because of some asinine 1994 anti-FDA legislation that gave birth to the modern supplement industry. (Nice article in this weeks Sports Illustrated on the supplement industry - which equates to complete insanity. Still don't get it. A bunch of criminals and basement hobby chemists running a multi-billion dollar a year industry that laughs and scoffs at the FDA and really doesn't give a rats ass about anything other than the bottom line/profit margin. It truly is the pinnacle of the Old West's Snake Oil salesmen, and I don't understand why people continue to purchase that crap. Eat a balanced meal, establish proper sleep patterns and that's all you need. It's amazing to see an entire industry fully manipulate the 15-30 year old male age bracket because they think that using that crap will make you ripped and will subsequently get you laid at 2:00 am at closing time.)

On a side note, with regard to the mention of alcohol sponsorship, I'm utterly amazed that the entire country isn't a bunch of raging alcoholics. Every other commercial is a liquor ad with hotties and hep cats pushing it down your throat. They go full auto and empty the clip into the tobacco industry, but yet they allow the liquor industry to inundate the airwaves, electronic and print media with their profiteering propaganda. (And yet, 80% of all murders and 85% of all rapes are committed while under the effects of alcohol. But that's okay, but some dumb fucker who is too stupid to realize that fill their lungs with smoke is a bad thing gets cancer and they knee jerk themselves to hell and back to amend national and state laws on smoking and allow the industry to get sued into the stone age by the same dumb fuckers who were filling their lungs with smoke under no duress whatsoever.)

[Mojo Jojo]

I think the UFC would be all over trying to get their ad on one of those cars.

Nascar is generally a guy sport. It would be perfect.

I don't think UFC wants to spend millions of dollars to be on the hood of a car for a few races. To be a title sponsor for 5 races you are talking 25 million in sponsorship dollars.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Those drinks are only legal because of some asinine 1994 anti-FDA legislation that gave birth to the modern supplement industry. (Nice article in this weeks Sports Illustrated on the supplement industry - which equates to complete insanity. Still don't get it. A bunch of criminals and basement hobby chemists running a multi-billion dollar a year industry that laughs and scoffs at the FDA and really doesn't give a rats ass about anything other than the bottom line/profit margin. It truly is the pinnacle of the Old West's Snake Oil salesmen, and I don't understand why people continue to purchase that crap. Eat a balanced meal, establish proper sleep patterns and that's all you need. It's amazing to see an entire industry fully manipulate the 15-30 year old male age bracket because they think that using that crap will make you ripped and will subsequently get you laid at 2:00 am at closing time.)

On a side note, with regard to the mention of alcohol sponsorship, I'm utterly amazed that the entire country isn't a bunch of raging alcoholics. Every other commercial is a liquor ad with hotties and hep cats pushing it down your throat. They go full auto and empty the clip into the tobacco industry, but yet they allow the liquor industry to inundate the airwaves, electronic and print media with their profiteering propaganda. (And yet, 80% of all murders and 85% of all rapes are committed while under the effects of alcohol. But that's okay, but some dumb fucker who is too stupid to realize that fill their lungs with smoke is a bad thing gets cancer and they knee jerk themselves to hell and back to amend national and state laws on smoking and allow the industry to get sued into the stone age by the same dumb fuckers who were filling their lungs with smoke under no duress whatsoever.)

jesus. whats a matter sackagoo, no shiatsu this morning?

[Katipan]

I don't think UFC wants to spend millions of dollars to be on the hood of a car for a few races. To be a title sponsor for 5 races you are talking 25 million in sponsorship dollars.

I totally disagree.

[Saccopoo]

jesus. whats a matter sackagoo, no shiatsu this morning?

Hmmm...I thought I was in a pretty good mood actually. Got up early, went for a long, strenuous walk this morning to get the metabolism up and running, had a nice breakfast. Everything seems to be okay so far. Though a massage sounds nice. I haven't had a good massage in ages. Shit. Now I'm pissed thinking about a massage, or lack thereof. Godammitalltohell! F'ing ex-wife couldn't give a massage for shit. Got like two in ten years. Then the girlfriend, who said she gave kick ass massages, was just as worthless! Fuck!

[wild1]

I am a fan of many kinds of racing, but this is one thing I don't understand. Virtually every other form of racing on earth is more interesting than this. Why do people follow it? Watch any kind of racing on a road course, open wheel, two wheels, whatever.

Nascar is like someone being willing to treat you to a meal anywhere in the world you desire and you pick McDonald's.

That being said, I think the whole series and racing as a whole is really struggling right now with the economic situation. Advertising is all that props it up. They aren't going to be suspending many popular drivers. I am waiting to hear what it is he was actually using.

[wild1]

On a side note, with regard to the mention of alcohol sponsorship, I'm utterly amazed that the entire country isn't a bunch of raging alcoholics. Every other commercial is a liquor ad with hotties and hep cats pushing it down your throat. They go full auto and empty the clip into the tobacco industry, but yet they allow the liquor industry to inundate the airwaves, electronic and print media with their profiteering propaganda. (And yet, 80% of all murders and 85% of all rapes are committed while under the effects of alcohol. But that's okay, but some dumb ****er who is too stupid to realize that fill their lungs with smoke is a bad thing gets cancer and they knee jerk themselves to hell and back to amend national and state laws on smoking and allow the industry to get sued into the stone age by the same dumb ****ers who were filling their lungs with smoke under no duress whatsoever.)

I don't understand why they make all these laws about tobacco when alcohol is a much, much worse blight on our society. If I could wave a magic wand and make all alcohol disappear from the earth forever I would do it. The world would be so much better of a place.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

ESPN also shows the Scripps National Spelling Bee....

And poker.

[Skip Towne]

I don't understand why they make all these laws about tobacco when alcohol is a much, much worse blight on our society. If I could wave a magic wand and make all alcohol disappear from the earth forever I would do it. The world would be so much better of a place.

The hillbillies would just cook up some more.

[KC native]

My vote goes to the World Rally Cup, but the Formula/Le Mans series is a close second in terms of being "the best" in overall racing skills.

Rally is awesome but impossible to watch. I used to follow it religiously too but Speed doesn't really cover it anymore. I'm still sticking with Formula 1

ROFL

They do more than turn left. Anyone that says they just turn left is completely naive of what it takes to turn a 3400lb stock car. A stock car slips and slides all over the place. If you're only turning left, you would never make it around 1 lap. F1 drivers are superior? Hardly. Each driver in F1 and NASCAR are both highly talented. I'm pretty sure Juan Pablo Montoya, multiple F1 winner, Indy 500 winner, CART champion, Rolex 24 winner, who now drives in NASCAR, would highly disagree with you conclusion.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_IfM5X7QIU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmvkXxQySrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp5P5rk4Fts

It's hard to imagine where do you guys come up with this nonsense. It simply reeks of naivete of not knowing what the **** you are talking about.

Are the tracks not circles? I don't dog NASCAR like a lot of racing snobs. The drivers are talented however their races are boring. The run two road courses a year and everything else is on an oval track.

I used to watch NASCAR every weekend so I'm not naive as to what it takes for them to run a race. I respect the drivers however I feel their version of the sport is boring. There are too many caution flags (which always seem to come out at opportune times for race leaders or when the leaders get too far out in front of the pack).

Finally, Juan Pablo Montoya sucked in Formula 1. He would compete on occassion but was never an elite driver. Look at Micheal Schumacher, Allonso, or Lewis Hamilton if you want to see a good example of an F1 driver.

[GoHuge]

To say F1 drivers are superior is laughable. To say you have to be a better driver to drive and make go fast a computer-contolled/enhanced vehicle is stupid. look at the "open wheel invasion" of a couple years ago. The only guys left....AJ Allmendinger and Juan Pablo. Neither of them has won on an oval and the other guys are back in open wheel because they weren't competetive, and it wasn't solely because of their equipment. Most of them couldn't even qualify or keep sponsors due to lack of performance or missing the show.

An F1 car or IRL car has somewhere between 3-4 times more downforce. Physics isn't debateable. There tires are twice as wide and the car weighs half as much. Those cars are glued to the racetrack. Their pit stops almost do themselves. They can use a computer to lean out the motor "on the fly" to increase fuel economy which almost completely takes the human factor of trying to figure gas mileage. Everything in NASCAR is a mechanical adjustment rather than computer adjustment. You have to physically work on everything in NASCAR. In open wheel it's a matter of looking at the onboard computer and making computer adjustments to fix the car. A Cup car weighs twice as much, with tires half as wide, with 3 times less downforce, and no computers that make on the fly adjustments and auto-corrections. The notion that the skill set to drive an open wheel car is greater than that to drive a Cup car is one of the more utterly retarded arguements I've seen out of people on this board.

As I stated open wheel racing has taken alot if not most of the human element out of correcting the car. What makes NASCAR more challenging to the teams is it is almost purely the human brain that decides what to do to the car. Also the team concept is much more important. In open wheel there is one lug nut per wheel and no jack man compared to NASCAR having a jack man and five lugs per wheel while at the same time making mechanical adjustments to the car during pit stops. You can argue all you want about which form of motorsports is more exciting, but it shows your complete lack of understanding of motorsport to argue which is a more challenging. Or you can just look at the attrition rate of open wheel guys not being able to hack it in NASCAR. When they say it is much more difficult to drive a Cup car I would tend to believe the guys that have actually done it rather than the opinion of the motorsports experts on CP. I enjoy open wheel and NASCAR equally but don't sit here and make stupid ass statements because you like on version of racing more than another.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

I don't give a flying fuck about racing, but the OP is an idiot. Until recently hard liquor was not allowed to be advertised on television in any way. THAT was why it was not allowed.

[Garcia Bronco]

Like it or not, its classified in the sport, you can say its not until every single person hears you in America, but they still classify it as one.

Now, about the otehr stuff the OP was asking. Oh well. lol

It is a sport because they compete, but they aren't althletes.

[Skip Towne]

I don't believe any of you fuckers. Where's Dylan?

[Mr. Krab]

Yea, i think NASCAR should just let the drivers take whatever they want as long as it's a sponsor of racing. What a race, 32 drivers roaring around a 1/2 mile track drunk suffering from Priapism.

w00t!

[GoHuge]

I don't see the problem with letting these guys take uppers. Now downers would be a problem. I've done Coke a handful of times and I think I drove pretty damn good :).

[Dylan]

It is a sport because they compete, but they aren't althletes.

http://blog.highspeedweb.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/150_ah_geez_not_this_shit_again.jpg

Are racecar drivers athletes? Does sitting in a racecar for five hours in 140 degree heat traveling 200 miles per hour match the skills of an overweight, football lineman trying to catch his breath on the field?

After careful review of scientific tests, published in the "paper of record," I would say, indeed they are athletes!

:D

[Bugeater]

http://blog.highspeedweb.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/150_ah_geez_not_this_shit_again.jpg

Are racecar drivers athletes? Does sitting in a racecar for five hours in 140 degree heat traveling 200 miles per hour match the skills of an overweight, football lineman trying to catch his breath on the field?

After careful review of scientific tests, published in the "paper of record," I would say, indeed they are athletes!

:D
Honey, it's not worth the trouble. :shake:

[KCChiefsMan]

poker, bowling, darts, pool and bingo are just as much of a sport as nascar is.

[Dylan]

I don't believe any of you ****ers. Where's Dylan?

I just woke up from a power nap! http://www.thedoor.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/emoticon.gif

[Dylan]

Honey, it's not worth the trouble. :shake:

Hey cupcake! :D

[Abba-Dabba]

Are the tracks not circles? I don't dog NASCAR like a lot of racing snobs. The drivers are talented however their races are boring. The run two road courses a year and everything else is on an oval track.

I used to watch NASCAR every weekend so I'm not naive as to what it takes for them to run a race. I respect the drivers however I feel their version of the sport is boring. There are too many caution flags (which always seem to come out at opportune times for race leaders or when the leaders get too far out in front of the pack).

Finally, Juan Pablo Montoya sucked in Formula 1. He would compete on occassion but was never an elite driver. Look at Micheal Schumacher, Allonso, or Lewis Hamilton if you want to see a good example of an F1 driver.

Oh. My bad. You've watched it on Teee. Veee. You still don't understand circle track racing.

Hamiltoon is facing quite a bit of criticism right now. I really wouldn't use him as a example. F1 is in a tailspin at the moment. Even the future of F1 is in question.

JPM didn't suck in F1. Where the hell did you come up with that? He is considered in the top 30 of F1 drivers of all-time.

[Dylan]

For decades, Nascar had maintained an policy against hard liquor sponsorship. Nascar suggested that it was the right thing to do. While many know about Nascar, few know about their roots. Nascar changed everything -- sparing you the backstory. Nascar traces a tail back to Prohibition, murder and deceit –And the early racecar drivers that risked their lives running Southern moonshine.

I can’t write it, but I can cut & paste.


"Moonshiners put more time, energy, thought, and love into their cars than any racer ever will. Lose on the track and you go home. Lose with a load of whiskey and you go to jail." --Junior Johnson, NASCAR legend and one-time whiskey runner


Long before the sport of stock-car racing even existed, young men in the rural, Depression-wracked South had figured out that cars and speed were tickets to a better life. With few options beyond the farm or factory, the best chance of escape was running moonshine. Bootlegging offered speed, adventure, and wads of cash--if the drivers survived. "Driving with the Devil" is the story of bootleggers whose empires grew during Prohibition and continued to thrive well after Repeal, and of drivers who thundered down dusty back roads with moonshine deliveries, deftly outrunning federal agents. The car of choice was the Ford V-8, the hottest car of the 1930s, and ace mechanics tinkered with them until they could fly across mountain roads at 100 miles an hour.

After fighting in World War II, moonshiners transferred their skills to the rough, red-dirt racetracks of Dixie, and a national sport was born. In this dynamic era (1930s and '40s), three men with a passion for Ford V-8s--convicted criminal Ray Parks, foul-mouthed mechanic Red Vogt, and crippled war veteran Red Byron, NASCAR's first champion--emerged as the first stock car "team." Theirs is the violent, poignant story of how moonshine and fast cars merged to create a new sport for the South to call its own.



I'll come back to the story later.... I'm at work

[Fairplay]

Anything short of a primary sponsorship would be worthless. I'm guessing 20 Million is pretty steep for an industry that just recently got out of the red. If they're even out now.


The saying it takes money to make money has much truth to it.

[Fairplay]

I don't think UFC wants to spend millions of dollars to be on the hood of a car for a few races. To be a title sponsor for 5 races you are talking 25 million in sponsorship dollars.

Well, other sponsers are doing it.

So apparently several think its a good idea.

[Katipan]

The saying it takes money to make money has much truth to it.

I think they've got a good grasp on their business model.

Why do you think Affliction only did it once?

[acesn8s]

http://awesomewreckage.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/carl-edwards-talledega03.jpg

[acesn8s]

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/200-nascar-results.jpg

[acesn8s]

http://www.paddocktalk.com/news/html/modules/ew_filemanager/07images/nascar/fontana-ii/waltrip-fire-429.jpg

[acesn8s]

That is NASCAR

[KC native]

Oh. My bad. You've watched it on Teee. Veee. You still don't understand circle track racing.

Hamiltoon is facing quite a bit of criticism right now. I really wouldn't use him as a example. F1 is in a tailspin at the moment. Even the future of F1 is in question.

JPM didn't suck in F1. Where the hell did you come up with that? He is considered in the top 30 of F1 drivers of all-time.

Been to 4 races here in Texas too. I understand oval tracks quite well. I don't knock NASCAR drivers. They are good drivers but as a whole F1 drivers are better. To make it through a long race with 40 other cars is an accomplishment. That being said there are some drivers in NASCAR that could make the jump to F1 with no problem. Jeff Gordon could do it and they have actually tried to get him to drive in the series to pique American interest but he turned it down. I think Tony Stewart, Jimmy Johnson, and maybe a few other drivers (haven't followed NASCAR for the last 3 years) could definitely make the jump as well.

Hamilton is facing criticism for lying to race directors which he was told to do by his team. I would still hold him up as an example. He's driving a sub-par car this year and really outshining his teammate.

JPM did suck IMO (should have clarified earlier I'm a huge ferrari fan so anyone who doesn't drive one sucks to me). He won 7 races in his entire career but he was better than many of the other drivers. He only had one season where he competed for the championship (2003). He was far from a great racer but wasn't a poor one.

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