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MIAdragon
06-02-2009, 12:12 PM
and it begins.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31059625//

NEW YORK - General Motors Corp. took a key step toward its downsizing on Tuesday, striking a tentative deal to sell its Hummer brand to a Chinese manufacturer, while also revealing that it has potential buyers for its Saturn and Saab brands.

GM has an agreement to sell its Hummer brand to Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery Co. of China, said a person briefed on the deal.

The Detroit automaker announced Tuesday morning that it had a memorandum of understanding to sell the brand of rugged SUVs, but it didn’t identify the buyer. A formal announcement of the buyer was to be made Tuesday afternoon, said the person briefed on the deal. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the details have not been made public.

Sichuan Tengzhong deals in road construction, plastics, resins and other industrial products, but Hummer would be its first step into the automotive business.

GM said the sale will likely save more than 3,000 U.S. jobs in manufacturing, engineering and at various Hummer dealerships.

As part of the proposed transaction, Hummer will continue to contract vehicle manufacturing and business services from GM during a transitional period. For example, GM’s Shreveport, La., assembly plant would continue to contract to assemble the H3 and H3T through at least 2010, GM said.

The automaker also said Tuesday that it has 16 buyers interested in purchasing its Saturn brand, while three parties are interested in the Swedish Saab brand.

Chief Financial Officer Ray Young told reporters and industry analysts on a conference call that GM is continuing to pursue manufacturing agreements with a new Saturn buyer.

GM would like to sell the money-losing Saturn brand’s dealership network, contracting with the new buyer to make some of its cars while the buyer gets other vehicles from different manufacturers


At the same time, bridge loan discussions with the Swedish government are progressing, Young said.

GM, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in New York on Monday, is racing to remake itself as a smaller, leaner automaker. In addition to its plan to sell the Hummer, Saab and Saturn brands, GM will also phase out its Pontiac brand, concentrating on its Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick and GMC nameplates.

The company hopes to follow the lead of fellow U.S. automaker Chrysler LLC by transforming its most profitable assets into a new company in just 30 days and emerging from bankruptcy protection soon after.

But GM is much larger and complex than its Auburn Hills-based rival and isn’t up against Chrysler’s tight June 15 deadline to close its deal with Fiat Group SpA.

Sharon Lindstrom, managing director at business consulting firm Protiviti, said the companies pose different challenges. But as with Chrysler, she notes that the Treasury Department made sure many of GM’s moving parts were in order ahead of time so a quick bankruptcy reorganization might be possible.

“They had a lot of their ducks in a row because the terms of the government financing forced them to get all the parties to the table in a very, very short period of time,” Lindstrom said.

Separately, the German government said Tuesday it paid out the first euro300 million ($425 million) in bridge loans to GM’s Adam Opel GmbH division. The loans are part of a deal to shrink GM’s stake in Opel and shield it from GM’s bankruptcy protection filing in the U.S.

Canadian auto supplier Magna International Inc. and Russian-owned Sberbank will acquire 55 percent of Opel.

A sale of the Hummer brand had been expected. Chief Executive Fritz Henderson had said in April that the automaker was expecting final bids from three potential buyers within the month.

Critics had seized on the rugged but fuel-inefficient Hummer as a symbol of excess as GM’s financial troubles grew and gas prices rose. Sales at Hummer, which is known for models with military-vehicle roots, have been in a steep slide since gasoline prices rose to record heights last summer. For the first four months of this year, Hummer sales are down 67 percent.

GM nailed down deals with its union and a majority of its bondholders and arranged the Opel deal in order to appear in court Monday with a near-complete plan to quickly emerge with a chance to become profitable.

The government has said it expects GM to come out of bankruptcy protection within 60 to 90 days. By comparison, the judge overseeing Chrysler’s case approved the sale of its assets to a group led by Italy’s Fiat in just over a month. Some industry observers think Chrysler could emerge as early as this week.

During Monday’s hearing, GM attorney Harvey Miller stressed the magnitude of the case and the importance of moving GM through court oversight as fast as possible. He noted that the automaker only has about $2 billion in cash left.

“If there’s going to be a recovery of value, it’s absolutely crucial that a sale take place as soon as possible,” Miller said in his opening statement.

The automaker wants to sell the bulk of its assets to a new company in which the U.S. government will take a 60 percent ownership stake. The Canadian government would take 12.5 percent of the “New GM,” with the United Auto Workers union getting 17.5 percent and unsecured bondholders receiving 10 percent. Existing shareholders are expected to be wiped out.

U.S. Judge Robert Gerber moved swiftly through more than 25 mostly procedural motions during the automaker’s first-day Chapter 11 hearing.

Gerber set GM’s sale hearing for June 30, putting it on a path similar to that of Chrysler. Objections are due on June 19, with any competing bids required to be submitted by June 22.

Gerber also gave GM immediate access to $15 billion in government financing to get it through the next few weeks, and interim approval for use of a total $33.3 billion in financing, with final approval slated to be ruled on June 25. The funds are contingent on GM’s sale being approved by July 10. Gerber also approved motions allowing the company to pay certain prebankruptcy wages, along with supplier and shipping costs.

The sheer size of GM makes it a more complicated case than Chrysler.

GM made twice as many vehicles as Chrysler’s 1.5 million last year and employs 235,000 people compared with Chrysler’s 54,000. GM also has plants and operations in many more countries, meaning it will likely have to strike separate deals to navigate the bankruptcy laws of those places.

Henderson said GM has learned a few things by watching Chrysler’s case.

“Certainly the court showed that it can address 363 (sale) transactions in an expeditious fashion,” Henderson said at a news conference Monday. “Particularly in our case with what will be a very large 363 transaction.”

GM’s filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection is the largest ever for an industrial company. GM, which said it has $172.81 billion in debt and $82.29 billion in assets, had received about $20 billion in low-interest loans before entering bankruptcy protection.

Cormac
06-02-2009, 12:19 PM
GM, which said it has $172.81 billion in debt and $82.29 billion in assets, had received about $20 billion in low-interest loans before entering bankruptcy protection.
OMG
:eek:

Stewie
06-02-2009, 12:27 PM
This is one way China is divesting the dollar.

CrazyPhuD
06-02-2009, 12:35 PM
To the 'SHIP!

Brock
06-02-2009, 01:13 PM
BUY MURIKAN!

Comanche
06-02-2009, 01:24 PM
and it begins.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31059625//

NEW YORK - General Motors Corp. took a key step toward its downsizing on Tuesday, striking a tentative deal to sell its Hummer brand to a Chinese manufacturer, while also revealing that it has potential buyers for its Saturn and Saab brands.

GM has an agreement to sell its Hummer brand to Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery Co. of China, said a person briefed on the deal.

The Detroit automaker announced Tuesday morning that it had a memorandum of understanding to sell the brand of rugged SUVs, but it didn’t identify the buyer. A formal announcement of the buyer was to be made Tuesday afternoon, said the person briefed on the deal. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the details have not been made public.

Sichuan Tengzhong deals in road construction, plastics, resins and other industrial products, but Hummer would be its first step into the automotive business.

GM said the sale will likely save more than 3,000 U.S. jobs in manufacturing, engineering and at various Hummer dealerships.

As part of the proposed transaction, Hummer will continue to contract vehicle manufacturing and business services from GM during a transitional period. For example, GM’s Shreveport, La., assembly plant would continue to contract to assemble the H3 and H3T through at least 2010, GM said.

The automaker also said Tuesday that it has 16 buyers interested in purchasing its Saturn brand, while three parties are interested in the Swedish Saab brand.

Chief Financial Officer Ray Young told reporters and industry analysts on a conference call that GM is continuing to pursue manufacturing agreements with a new Saturn buyer.

GM would like to sell the money-losing Saturn brand’s dealership network, contracting with the new buyer to make some of its cars while the buyer gets other vehicles from different manufacturers


At the same time, bridge loan discussions with the Swedish government are progressing, Young said.

GM, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in New York on Monday, is racing to remake itself as a smaller, leaner automaker. In addition to its plan to sell the Hummer, Saab and Saturn brands, GM will also phase out its Pontiac brand, concentrating on its Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick and GMC nameplates.

The company hopes to follow the lead of fellow U.S. automaker Chrysler LLC by transforming its most profitable assets into a new company in just 30 days and emerging from bankruptcy protection soon after.

But GM is much larger and complex than its Auburn Hills-based rival and isn’t up against Chrysler’s tight June 15 deadline to close its deal with Fiat Group SpA.

Sharon Lindstrom, managing director at business consulting firm Protiviti, said the companies pose different challenges. But as with Chrysler, she notes that the Treasury Department made sure many of GM’s moving parts were in order ahead of time so a quick bankruptcy reorganization might be possible.

“They had a lot of their ducks in a row because the terms of the government financing forced them to get all the parties to the table in a very, very short period of time,” Lindstrom said.

Separately, the German government said Tuesday it paid out the first euro300 million ($425 million) in bridge loans to GM’s Adam Opel GmbH division. The loans are part of a deal to shrink GM’s stake in Opel and shield it from GM’s bankruptcy protection filing in the U.S.

Canadian auto supplier Magna International Inc. and Russian-owned Sberbank will acquire 55 percent of Opel.

A sale of the Hummer brand had been expected. Chief Executive Fritz Henderson had said in April that the automaker was expecting final bids from three potential buyers within the month.

Critics had seized on the rugged but fuel-inefficient Hummer as a symbol of excess as GM’s financial troubles grew and gas prices rose. Sales at Hummer, which is known for models with military-vehicle roots, have been in a steep slide since gasoline prices rose to record heights last summer. For the first four months of this year, Hummer sales are down 67 percent.

GM nailed down deals with its union and a majority of its bondholders and arranged the Opel deal in order to appear in court Monday with a near-complete plan to quickly emerge with a chance to become profitable.

The government has said it expects GM to come out of bankruptcy protection within 60 to 90 days. By comparison, the judge overseeing Chrysler’s case approved the sale of its assets to a group led by Italy’s Fiat in just over a month. Some industry observers think Chrysler could emerge as early as this week.

During Monday’s hearing, GM attorney Harvey Miller stressed the magnitude of the case and the importance of moving GM through court oversight as fast as possible. He noted that the automaker only has about $2 billion in cash left.

“If there’s going to be a recovery of value, it’s absolutely crucial that a sale take place as soon as possible,” Miller said in his opening statement.

The automaker wants to sell the bulk of its assets to a new company in which the U.S. government will take a 60 percent ownership stake. The Canadian government would take 12.5 percent of the “New GM,” with the United Auto Workers union getting 17.5 percent and unsecured bondholders receiving 10 percent. Existing shareholders are expected to be wiped out.

U.S. Judge Robert Gerber moved swiftly through more than 25 mostly procedural motions during the automaker’s first-day Chapter 11 hearing.

Gerber set GM’s sale hearing for June 30, putting it on a path similar to that of Chrysler. Objections are due on June 19, with any competing bids required to be submitted by June 22.

Gerber also gave GM immediate access to $15 billion in government financing to get it through the next few weeks, and interim approval for use of a total $33.3 billion in financing, with final approval slated to be ruled on June 25. The funds are contingent on GM’s sale being approved by July 10. Gerber also approved motions allowing the company to pay certain prebankruptcy wages, along with supplier and shipping costs.

The sheer size of GM makes it a more complicated case than Chrysler.

GM made twice as many vehicles as Chrysler’s 1.5 million last year and employs 235,000 people compared with Chrysler’s 54,000. GM also has plants and operations in many more countries, meaning it will likely have to strike separate deals to navigate the bankruptcy laws of those places.

Henderson said GM has learned a few things by watching Chrysler’s case.

“Certainly the court showed that it can address 363 (sale) transactions in an expeditious fashion,” Henderson said at a news conference Monday. “Particularly in our case with what will be a very large 363 transaction.”

GM’s filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection is the largest ever for an industrial company. GM, which said it has $172.81 billion in debt and $82.29 billion in assets, had received about $20 billion in low-interest loans before entering bankruptcy protection.

No doubt this will become the design for all future Chinese military personnel light transport vehicles.

Demonpenz
06-02-2009, 01:24 PM
thanks uaw

wild1
06-02-2009, 01:25 PM
I bet that Chinese company makes a profit.

Buehler445
06-02-2009, 01:26 PM
I bet that Chinese company makes a profit.

I bet GM could too if they could get labor at the same price the Chinese do.
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MIAdragon
06-02-2009, 01:28 PM
I bet GM could too if they could get labor at the same price the Chinese do.
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70hrs a week for a bowl of rice a day. :)

Spicy McHaggis
06-02-2009, 01:38 PM
wow, and here I was thinking that the H2 couldn't get any less reliable.

Fish
06-02-2009, 01:42 PM
I had a Chinese hummer once.... she had the smallest hands....

bowener
06-02-2009, 02:17 PM
No doubt this will become the design for all future Chinese military personnel light transport vehicles.

So...?

Their economy is anchored to ours, they can never get rid of us, that is why it doesnt matter that the own all of our debt... best worst case scenario for us, and them.

Plus, our military is going to be man-less for the most part within the next 20-30 years, which is how long it would take for them to build enough vehicles and up their naval fleets transport abilities. By then, some 35 year-old virgin can sit in the white house basement and command an entire military with one mouse and a keyboard... but probably 3 monitors will be needed.

bowener
06-02-2009, 02:18 PM
wow, and here I was thinking that the H2 couldn't get any less reliable.

No, youre right, it cant. Now that it is foreign, it will get double the mileage and double to triple its life.

edit: For example: Dad owned a kubota tractor (~21 hp diesel) from 1984 until he sold it last year (2008), and it still ran fine. That is 24~ years of shitty tough work that he put it through every year. In that time span he owned 3 new Ford tractors of the same size, all fell to ****ing piles of shit within 3 years of purchasing them... pathetic, really. The man takes care of his equipment too, japan just kicked fords ass, so I guess the score is tied at 3-3, Japan and USA.

MIAdragon
06-02-2009, 02:24 PM
No doubt this will become the design for all future Chinese military personnel light transport vehicles.

psst they already stole it.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/dong_feng_hummer.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.chinacartimes.com/2007/05/28/chinese-hummer-to-hit-the-market-next-year/&usg=__o6gvk7aESUj3jBUByEjwrLC9LNA=&h=458&w=608&sz=82&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=W09QImbEdgIaqM:&tbnh=102&tbnw=136&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchinese%2Bhummer%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1T4GGLL_enUS326US326%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Buehler445
06-02-2009, 02:37 PM
No, youre right, it cant. Now that it is foreign, it will get double the mileage and double to triple its life.

edit: For example: Dad owned a kubota tractor (~21 hp diesel) from 1984 until he sold it last year (2008), and it still ran fine. That is 24~ years of shitty tough work that he put it through every year. In that time span he owned 3 new Ford tractors of the same size, all fell to ****ing piles of shit within 3 years of purchasing them... pathetic, really. The man takes care of his equipment too, japan just kicked fords ass, so I guess the score is tied at 3-3, Japan and USA.

There is a reason Ford no longer sells tractors of any sort (they merged with New Holand who merged with Case IH). Ford tractors from the 80s blew. Hard.
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bowener
06-02-2009, 02:39 PM
psst they already stole it.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.chinacartimes.com/wp-content/dong_feng_hummer.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.chinacartimes.com/2007/05/28/chinese-hummer-to-hit-the-market-next-year/&usg=__o6gvk7aESUj3jBUByEjwrLC9LNA=&h=458&w=608&sz=82&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=W09QImbEdgIaqM:&tbnh=102&tbnw=136&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchinese%2Bhummer%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1T4GGLL_enUS326US326%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Wouldnt doubt that GM sold them the Humvees to make money... kind of like coca-cola and fanta during WWII... or Sheldon Bush having all that Nazi gold in his bank vault during WWII... sometimes it pays to play both sides of the game!

Stewie
06-02-2009, 02:40 PM
So...?

Their economy is anchored to ours, they can never get rid of us, that is why it doesnt matter that the own all of our debt... best worst case scenario for us, and them.


This is an uninformed opinion.

JD10367
06-02-2009, 03:21 PM
Exclusive image of the first new vehicle off the line for the newly-owned company, in an effort to better serve their home clientele. :)

http://www.angenent.biz/smart/images/foto_smart_hummer.jpg

kepp
06-02-2009, 03:50 PM
I had a Chinese hummer once.... she had the smallest hands....

"Intwoducing ow nex model...the happy ending."

Thig Lyfe
06-02-2009, 04:02 PM
Hummel

JD10367
06-02-2009, 04:03 PM
"Intwoducing ow nex model...the happy ending."

If you get a Chinese hummer, an hour later, do you want one again?

ChiefaRoo
06-02-2009, 04:34 PM
No doubt this will become the design for all future Chinese military personnel light transport vehicles.

Big deal. 50 year old RPG technology shreds them.

CrazyPhuD
06-02-2009, 07:34 PM
Big deal. 50 year old RPG technology shreds them.

Yea so do 20 year old environmentalists.

The_Doctor10
06-02-2009, 07:39 PM
So...?

Their economy is anchored to ours, they can never get rid of us, that is why it doesnt matter that the own all of our debt... best worst case scenario for us, and them.

Plus, our military is going to be man-less for the most part within the next 20-30 years, which is how long it would take for them to build enough vehicles and up their naval fleets transport abilities. By then, some 35 year-old virgin can sit in the white house basement and command an entire military with one mouse and a keyboard... but probably 3 monitors will be needed.

Dude, did you pay attention to any of Terminator? What makes you think that is a good idea? Or cost-effective for that matter? And on top of that, you have to employ all those poor people somewhere. Where are those coming from?

The geniuses of this world need to work on creating a replicator, not unmanned armies...

Cannibal
06-02-2009, 09:29 PM
Dude, did you pay attention to any of Terminator? What makes you think that is a good idea? Or cost-effective for that matter? And on top of that, you have to employ all those poor people somewhere. Where are those coming from?

The geniuses of this world need to work on creating a replicator, not unmanned armies...

I'd rather see a teleportation device. Get rid of all these fuckin passenger aircraft.

Cannibal
06-02-2009, 09:29 PM
I'd rather see a teleportation device. Get rid of all these ****in passenger aircraft.

When you work in a field that requires monthly travel, a teleporter would be a godsend.

stlchiefs
06-02-2009, 10:08 PM
I had a Chinese hummer once.... she had the smallest hands....

:clap::clap:

alanm
06-02-2009, 10:09 PM
No doubt this will become the design for all future Chinese military personnel light transport vehicles.All the civilian Hummer is is a Suburban frame with a different shell. It's nothing like the military version.

Psyko Tek
06-02-2009, 11:33 PM
So...?

Their economy is anchored to ours, they can never get rid of us, that is why it doesnt matter that the own all of our debt... best worst case scenario for us, and them..

I don't believe this

we got no jobs,
we got no money.
what the fuck they need us for

they will become the new leading producer, and consumer nation.

we don't start keeping jobs hear we will be done