Cassel out 2-4 weeks

[KCrockaholic]

Didnt see it posted yet...

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/


Two to four weeks for a strained MCL is what Jason Cole of Yahoo Sports is saying a source within the Kansas City Chiefs organization told him:

Quarterback Matt Cassel (notes) could miss two to four weeks with a strained medial collateral ligament in his right knee, a source within the Kansas City Chiefs organization said.

Cassel, who the Chiefs acquired in a trade with New England this offseason, was hurt Saturday night in an exhibition game against Seattle. The injury is not expected to require surgery because MCL injuries usually heal on their own.

Cole goes on to say that Cassel suffered a less serious ankle injury to go along with the strained MCL.

How much can we trust this report? Josh Looney of the Chiefs says that Cole has a legit report. Via his Twitter feed:
Jason Cole of Yahoo has most reliable source of info to date credits team source with report of Cassel strained mcl out 2 to 4 wk no surgery

If Cassel can't go in Week 1, who gets the nod? Right now, it's Tyler Thigpen says Cole. Suddenly, Thigpen's value to the Chiefs has increased dramatically. Despite his poor play, he's still the more prepared quarterback on the depth chart.

Still, Looney goes on to say that the Chiefs QB competition is still that: a competition.

I do ? Cole's "source" as he also claims Thigpen will take over 4 cassel. I still believe there is plenty of competition 4 chiefs #2 QB

I agree with Looney. Matt Gutierrez has played too well and Tyler Thigpen too poorly to not think there is a healthy competition there. Thigpen may end up starting in place of Cassel but I think that the gap between Thigpen and Gutierrez closed quite a bit on Saturday night. Brodie Croyle is another candidate of course but after this weekend, I'm not sure where he stands.

I want to reiterate on this report that Cole cites a team source for his information and Looney, a Chiefs employee, is backing him up essentially. This info is very solid IMO.

The 2-4 week report meshes up with what we've noticed in other MCL type injuries. Last year, Matt Schaub missed weeks 9-12 with a similar injury. Tavaris Jackson had a mild MCL sprain about a month ago in preseason. It kept him out of action for less than two weeks. Knowshon Moreno, the Denver Broncos first round pick, isn't a definite for week one because of an MCL.

Surgery isn't required but a sprain is a sprain and the only cure is rest. The problem for the Chiefs is that they travel to Baltimore in 14 days for the first game of the regular season. This injury certainly delays the Chiefs' progression on offense until Cassel returns but I feel relieved that the situation isn't worse.

Worse case scenario, Cassel returns for Week 3 at the Philadelphia Eagles. Is that so bad? With the way the offensive line is playing right now, the Chiefs quarterback position isn't exactly the safest spot on the field.

Breathe easy, Chiefs fans. The Matt Cassel era is coming. It's just on hold for the moment.

[DBOSHO]

link please?

[TRR]

Are you just pulling this out of your ass?
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[KCrockaholic]

Hell this info hit the internet hard and fast. Just google search his name lol.

[Mr. Krab]

Chiefs QB Cassel could miss opener
By Jason Cole (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/expertsarchive;_ylt=A9G_bxZ.LJtKMyUBegPsYNAF?author=Jason+Cole), Yahoo! Sports 1 hour, 53 minutes ago


Quarterback Matt Cassel (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7406/;_ylt=A9G_bxZ.LJtKMyUBfAPsYNAF)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7406/news;_ylt=A9G_bxZ.LJtKMyUBfQPsYNAF) could miss two to four weeks with a strained medial collateral ligament in his right knee, a source within the Kansas City Chiefs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/kan/;_ylt=A9G_bxZ.LJtKMyUBfgPsYNAF) organization said.

Cassel, who the Chiefs acquired in a trade with New England this offseason, was hurt Saturday night in an exhibition game against Seattle. The injury is not expected to require surgery because MCL injuries usually heal on their own.
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However, the injury means Cassel could miss the Chiefs’ season opener at Baltimore on Sept. 13. If Cassel can’t play, Tyler Thigpen (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8471/;_ylt=A9G_bxZ.LJtKMyUBgQPsYNAF)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8471/news;_ylt=A9G_bxZ.LJtKMyUBggPsYNAF) is expected to start the season. Thigpen, who had been the subject of trade rumors earlier this week, played in 14 games last season when the Chiefs went through injuries at quarterback. He finished the season with 18 touchdown passes, 12 interceptions and a quarterback rating of 76.0.

Cassel also suffered an ankle injury, but that was not considered as serious as the MCL injury.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-chiefscassel083009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[NCarlsCorner2]

link please?

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Jason Cole, of Yahoo! Sports, reports Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.kffl.com/team/21/nfl) QB Matt Cassel (http://www.kffl.com/player/12088/nfl) (knee) has a strained MCL in his right knee and he could miss two to four weeks, according to a team source. The injury is not expected to require surgery, but he could miss the team's Week 1 game. QB Tyler Thigpen (http://www.kffl.com/player/16635/nfl) would start if Cassel is unable to play.

[Hammock Parties]

Why in the blue hell is Thigpen expected to start?

Where is this crap coming from?

[kstater]

JFC It's a link to the same fucking yahoo article which is pure fucking speculation.


Nuthooks.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Jason Cole must have not seen Thigpen play in the preseason, no way in Hell he starts over Brodie if Cassel is no go week 1

[WildTurkey]

Why in the blue hell is Thigpen expected to start?

Where is this crap coming from?

No shit.... apparently nobody in the media has actually watched Thiggy play :banghead:

[TRR]

Phillip Rivers played with a torn MCL but yet Cassel is going to be sidelined 2-4 weeks with a sprain?

I'm giving up on KC if this is the case. Unbelievable luck...
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[Thig Lyfe]

Tyler Thigpen:Matt Cassell::Kurt Warner:Trent Green

WRITE IT DOWN SON

[The Franchise]

Well...now he at least won't get killed when we play the Ravens.


Brodie....not so much.

[milkman]

Jason Cole must have not seen Thigpen play in the preseason, no way in Hell he starts over Brodie if Cassel is no go week 1

Unless they figure since we're going to get a QB killed, it might as well be Thigpen.

[Delano]

Link or GTFO noob.

[BigVE]

Unless they figure since we're going to get a QB killed, it might as well be Thigpen.
With our O-line Thigpen has the best chance of survival based on his running abilities.

[WildTurkey]

I guess we might as well not get Cassel or Brodie killed at Baltimore, might as well throw Thiggy to the lions

[milkman]

Phillip Rivers played with a torn MCL but yet Cassel is going to be sidelined 2-4 weeks with a sprain?

I'm giving up on KC if this is the case. Unbelievable luck...
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Different situations.

If this were the playoffs, in all liklelyhood, Cassel would go.


You don't risk further injury in this situation.

[rockymtnchief]

:banghead::#

[Marcellus]

Thigpen wont start week 1 but he will likely finish the game after Brodie gets creamed.

[Mr. Krab]

Unless they figure since we're going to get a QB killed, it might as well be Thigpen.
I think that's why Thigpen played so much against Seattle.

[KCrockaholic]

Link or GTFO noob.

Late much?

[boogblaster]

I hope this is BS .. Croyle is the only chance we have at winning unless we go to that Spread-pen Offense again ...

[Delano]

Late much?

It was relevant at the time.

Thanks for following the rules, noob.

[FringeNC]

We'll almost certainly be running the spread with Thigpen, and wouldn't be surprised if that changes very little when Cassel returns. This O-line can't pass block.

[TRR]

Different situations.

If this were the playoffs, in all liklelyhood, Cassel would go.


You don't risk further injury in this situation.

Yes you do...a sprain can't get any worse. And either can a tear. If you can play....YOU PLAY
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[Reerun_KC]

I hope this is BS .. Croyle is the only chance we have at winning unless we go to that Spread-pen Offense again ...

Same here... Totally ruins the season opener.... Thigpen? R U FUCKING SERIOUS?

Dude was total ass last night... Just horrific to watch...

[TFG]

Looks like it is time to start Thig and put in the best athletes on the roster at OL and ditch Naughtywanger, McSUCKintosh, and Goof.

[KCrockaholic]

Croyle NEEDS to be our starter week 1. If we play Thigpen, and if he plays how he played last night we will lose 31-0

[WildTurkey]

Same here... Totally ruins the season opener.... Thigpen? R U ****ING SERIOUS?

Dude was total ass last night... Just horrific to watch...

Seriously the Junior Football players that played during halftime looked better throwing the ball than Thigpen last night :banghead:

[milkman]

Yes you do...a sprain can't get any worse. And either can a tear. If you can play....YOU PLAY
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Well, I don't know about a sprain, but I do know about a tear, and yes it can get worse.

Actually, the tear can't get worse, but the knee can.

I worked on a tear for two months, and my orthopedic surgeon told me had I gotten it looked at earlier, and gotten the rest and rehab I needed, the MCL tear would not have taken nearly as long to heal.

It was just the bonus tear to the ACL tear.

[L.A. Chieffan]

it doesnt matter.

[Basileus777]

Croyle NEEDS to be our starter week 1. If we play Thigpen, and if he plays how he played last night we will lose 31-0

We're playing Baltimore. Brokie wouldn't survive a quarter behind our oline.

[DBOSHO]

thigpen to the rescue

[Reerun_KC]

it doesnt matter.

No it doesnt, were not going to win anyways. But I sure would like to see our Chiefs with Castle out there.

This is his team to lead...

Thigpen? You have to be freaking kidding me... LMAO

[TRR]

Well, I don't know about a sprain, but I do know about a tear, and yes it can get worse.

Actually, the tear can't get worse, but the knee can.

I worked on a tear for two months, and my orthopedic surgeon told me had I gotten it looked at earlier, and gotten the rest and rehab I needed, the MCL tear would not have taken nearly as long to heal.

It was just the bonus tear to the ACL tear.

I tore my MCL and ACL in both knees....it can't get any worse. I played basketball competitively with a torn MCL for months before getting surgery. It can't get any worse.

The same goes for the sprained MCL. If you wear a brace, you have ZERO chance of injuring it any further.
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[Reerun_KC]

We're playing Baltimore. Brokie wouldn't survive a quarter behind our oline.

I guess it will be fun watching B-more hammer Thigpen in to dog shit...

There is a comical value of our current line and the threat of Thigpen vs Baltimore's Defense....

[Coogs]

We're playing Baltimore. Brokie wouldn't survive a quarter behind our oline.

I don't know about that. Croyle to one heck of a shot against the ViQueens, and bounce right back up and played on... without looking rattled on the following plays.

[CaliforniaChief]

The injury report re: Cassel sounds believable. The stuff on Thigpen starting smells strongly of BS. Sure, Thigpen has more game experience...playing for Herm Edwards. While he can theoretically run for his life, he sure didn't do it last night and has no accuracy with his throws, whether he's running or standing. Haley even acknowledged that his throws tend to sail high.

Let's think about this. Thigpen's innacurate high throws + Ed Reed at Safety = a lot of interceptions. They might just have to put Brokie in the shotgun with 2 blockers at his side and let Bowe try to do it on his own.

[KCrockaholic]

We're playing Baltimore. Brokie wouldn't survive a quarter behind our oline.

Well do you wanna see wobble launcher? Or Brokie? pick your poison. Atleast when Brodie plays he can throw the ball like a laser. I would much rather see him start than Thigpen.

[Priest31kc]

I tore my MCL and ACL in both knees....it can't get any worse. I played basketball competitively with a torn MCL for months before getting surgery. It can't get any worse.

The same goes for the sprained MCL. If you wear a brace, you have ZERO chance of injuring it any further.
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Well....maybe they want him completely healed before playing? Maybe it wont heal as fast if he plays even with a brace?

[KCrockaholic]

Well....maybe they want him completely healed before playing? Maybe it wont heal as fast if he plays even with a brace?

This could be it. He should be ready for the Raiders week 2. Suggs might have 4 sacks week 1.

[Coach]

Well do you wanna see wobble launcher? Or Brokie? pick your poison. Atleast when Brodie plays he can throw the ball like a laser. I would much rather see him start than Thigpen.

Yes, but if Brokie gets snapped in half (which is very likely) then the Chiefs goes down to Thigpen and Gutierrez.

Not exactly promising.

[milkman]

I tore my MCL and ACL in both knees....it can't get any worse. I played basketball competitively with a torn MCL for months before getting surgery. It can't get any worse.

The same goes for the sprained MCL. If you wear a brace, you have ZERO chance of injuring it any further.
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You'll have to forgive me if I take my orthopedic surgeon's word on this.

[KCrockaholic]

Yes, but if Brokie gets snapped in half (which is very likely) then the Chiefs goes down to Thigpen and Gutierrez.

Not exactly promising.

Well then if Thigpen gets hurt your basically down to Gutierrez right? Considering Brokie wont be able to last a quarter even if the offense never touches the ball.

Either way its a loss. Its just how you want to lose that you can prefer.

[TRR]

You'll have to forgive me if I take my orthopedic surgeon's word on this.

You'll have to forgive me if I take my orthopedic surgeon's word on this as well as my wife's who is a physical therapist.
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[CaliforniaChief]

Well do you wanna see wobble launcher? Or Brokie? pick your poison. Atleast when Brodie plays he can throw the ball like a laser. I would much rather see him start than Thigpen.

Paging Dr. Chicken Salad Master.http://arrowheadaddict.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/printers.jpg

[Coach]

Milkman and TRR, both of you guys should be forgiving me for taking the butcher's word for it.

[tk13]

Did anyone stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

[KCrockaholic]

Paging Dr. Chicken Salad Master.http://arrowheadaddict.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/printers.jpg

WTF? Is that Casey Printers?

Hell. I wouldnt mind it either.

[milkman]

You'll have to forgive me if I take my orthopedic surgeon's word on this as well as my wife's who is a physical therapist.
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Maybe we are looking at this from different perspectives.

I was 37 years old, and only had the ACL surgically repaired, while my MCL was essentially replaced by scar tissue.

Did you have the MCL surgically repaired?

[Mr. Krab]

Thigpen > Cassel

[Reerun_KC]

Thigpen > Cassel

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KOSbpR8BlK0/SJu97SMNwlI/AAAAAAAAAYE/I8AbHTQxSe0/s320/p-28959-38346-bucket.jpg > Thigpen

[Hammock Parties]

Thigpen > Cassel

Fuck you.

Fuck you.

Fuck you.

Fuck you.

[Saccopoo]

The play that broke Croyle's leg would have broken the leg of every quarterback in the league. It was bad luck. And as of right now, he's the only option that the Chiefs have if they hope to win the game(s) if Cassel is not available. And that is the objective - to win the game. (My apologies to Herm.) You never know what might happen, and while Baltimore looks substantially better on paper, a turnover here, a busted play there, and the Chiefs have the chance to win. You put your best players out there, and try to win the game. Croyle is the best option at this point at quarterback, by a large margin.

[Mr. Krab]

Thigpen up here <---------------------------

















































































Cassel down here <---------------------------------

[TRR]

Maybe we are looking at this from different perspectives.

I was 37 years old, and only had the ACL surgically repaired, while my MCL was essentially replaced by scar tissue.

Did you have the MCL surgically repaired?

Both MCL's and ACL's were repaired. I could have went without surgery on either knee after tearing it just by wearing a brace. However, I wanted to play ball without it, so I got the surgery.

After tearing my first one, I was playing flag football three weeks later without surgery. I just didn't want issues later on in life.

Cassel will be fine to play Week 1 If he wants to.
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[Hammock Parties]

Thigpen up here <---------------------------

















































































Cassel down here <---------------------------------

Smart fans up here.








































































You down here.

[WildTurkey]

Colquitt > Everyone

[chiefzilla1501]

The play that broke Croyle's leg would have broken the leg of every quarterback in the league. It was bad luck. And as of right now, he's the only option that the Chiefs have if they hope to win the game(s) if Cassel is not available. And that is the objective - to win the game. (My apologies to Herm.) You never know what might happen, and while Baltimore looks substantially better on paper, a turnover here, a busted play there, and the Chiefs have the chance to win. You put your best players out there, and try to win the game. Croyle is the best option at this point at quarterback, by a large margin.

We have to stop making excuses for Croyle's injury history. I think it's a better idea to start Croyle in Cassel's absence, but we have to stop pretending that the guy isn't an injury waiting to happen. He's hurt both MCLs. He's separated his shoulder. Got hurt twice in 2008. And then was injured within a quarter in 2009.

It's not bad luck. His body was just not built for the NFL. Sad, because I always thought he had potential to be a good NFL QB if he stayed healthy.

[RINGLEADER]

Why in the blue hell is Thigpen expected to start?

Where is this crap coming from?

<s>Funny</s> Stupid as it might sound, if Cassel can't go, I think Thigpen could be the best of our back-ups against Baltimore. Since there will be no protection along the line it's better to have a QB who can break containment.

Now, that said, Thigpen may end up with 150 yards rushing and 10 yards passing. But Brodie Croyle wouldn't make it out of the first quarter.

[tk13]

The Chiefs just might be playing it safe too. They just invested a ton of money in the guy, maybe they don't want to trot him out in game 1 if he's less than 100%.

And yeah, the odds strongly suggest Croyle is going to get hurt. But I still say throw him out there. No point of having him on the roster if you aren't going to use him. You never know.

[CaliforniaChief]

Thigpen > Cassel

Are you freaking serious?????

[Mr. Krab]

We would of been better off just signing Garcia for a bag of Oreo Cookies than wasting a 2nd round pick and 53 million dollars on Cassel sans Moss/Welker/Belichek.

[Easy 6]

Thigpen up here <---------------------------

















































































Cassel down here <---------------------------------

Yep, you definitely live in a pineapple under the sea.

[RINGLEADER]

Are you freaking serious?????

Against the Ravens, with this line, maybe.

But only because Thigpen can run for more yards than Cassel would be able to pass for.

[Hammock Parties]

Funny Stupid as it might sound, if Cassel can't go, I think Thigpen could be the best of our back-ups against Baltimore. Since there will be no protection along the line it's better to have a QB who can break containment.

Now, that said, Thigpen may end up with 150 yards rushing and 10 yards passing. But Brodie Croyle wouldn't make it out of the first quarter.

I disagree.

Thigpen is going to be hopeless against a defense like Baltimore's running a pro set.

HOPELESS.

At least Croyle can throw three-step drops with some accuracy.

The coaching staff is smart enough that they aren't going to expose Brodie in Week 1 on the road by putting a ton of seven-step drops into the gameplan. Spread it out, a lot of quick throws, hope to run the ball.

Brodie can execute that. Thigpen would be looking for Tony Gonzalez.

[milkman]

Both MCL's and ACL's were repaired. I could have went without surgery on either knee after tearing it just by wearing a brace. However, I wanted to play ball without it, so I got the surgery.

After tearing my first one, I was playing flag football three weeks later without surgery. I just didn't want issues later on in life.

Cassel will be fine to play Week 1 If he wants to.
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That may be the difference, cause when I went into physical therapy, the therapist, as you know, has to push on the knee to wotk on getting it straight.

My first time in, the therpist pushed, and continued to push, meanwhile, there were 17 "pops", which was the scar tissue being broken up.

She told me that was the most she'd ever heard.

That was, according to my OS, the result of months of neglecting the injury.

I can tell you, the rehab was far more painful that the actual injury.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

This sucks SO much ass. PLEASE don't put that fucking loser on the football field. I would much, MUCH rather see Croyle or Guitierrez taking snaps with the 1's.

Well, what he we learned boys and girls? I'll tell you what I've learned:

Scott Pioli is NOT a genius as this scenario makes perfectly clear. We had our Franchise QB for weeks. We knew the O-line sucked balls. We knew the draft was deep in O-line pickings. And as much as I love the improvement on defense, it couldn't protect our Franchise QB.
And now, we may have just shit away 60 million instead of 14. We may end up having to draft one of the Three Stooges in April as we are going to now suck for the remainder of the season.

On the upside, personally, unless Sanchez gets injured, I'm going to win my bet with Dummy3 like a motherfucker!

[Sure-Oz]

I'd say he returns week 2, i don't even want him against the ravens in week 1 with the injuries

[WildTurkey]

I disagree.

Thigpen is going to be hopeless against a defense like Baltimore's running a pro set.

HOPELESS.

At least Croyle can throw three-step drops with some accuracy.

The coaching staff is smart enough that they aren't going to expose Brodie in Week 1 on the road by putting a ton of seven-step drops into the gameplan. Spread it out, a lot of quick throws, hope to run the ball.

Brodie can execute that. Thigpen would be looking for Tony Gonzalez.



Thiggy seemed to be looking for Tony G last night, maybe that's his excuse :hmmm:, Nah on second thought he just sucks

[Coogs]

The play that broke Croyle's leg would have broken the leg of every quarterback in the league. It was bad luck. And as of right now, he's the only option that the Chiefs have if they hope to win the game(s) if Cassel is not available. And that is the objective - to win the game. (My apologies to Herm.) You never know what might happen, and while Baltimore looks substantially better on paper, a turnover here, a busted play there, and the Chiefs have the chance to win. You put your best players out there, and try to win the game. Croyle is the best option at this point at quarterback, by a large margin.

Yep! Shoot, last year everyone was thinking we would get rolled by a huge margin up at NE. We came within a whisker of sending the game to OT. And I think we look much better on defense this season... much better. Especially if Flowers shoulder is OK (When did he hurt it? on the TD dive?). Could be a low scoring game, and Croyle makes better decisions with the ball than Thigpen. Limit the TO's, and you never know.

[Reerun_KC]

I would take Vick at this time...

[CaliforniaChief]

We would of been better off just signing Garcia for a bag of Oreo Cookies than wasting a 2nd round pick and 53 million dollars on Cassel sans Moss/Welker/Belichek.

Jeff Garcia can't even beat Jamarcus Russell out of a starting job.

Hands off the panic button, people.

[MMXcalibur]

<s>Funny</s> Stupid as it might sound, if Cassel can't go, I think Thigpen could be the best of our back-ups against Baltimore. Since there will be no protection along the line it's better to have a QB who can break containment.

Now, that said, Thigpen may end up with 150 yards rushing and 10 yards passing. But Brodie Croyle wouldn't make it out of the first quarter.

This is exactly what I'm thinking. If a more stationary target like Croyle stays back there, we might not have a first down until mid-3rd quarter. We're just going to have to make the best out of a bad situation.....

[WildTurkey]

This sucks SO much ass. PLEASE don't put that ****ing loser on the football field. I would much, MUCH rather see Croyle or Guitierrez taking snaps with the 1's.

Well, what he we learned boys and girls? I'll tell you what I've learned:

Scott Pioli is NOT a genius as this scenario makes perfectly clear. We had our Franchise QB for weeks. We knew the O-line sucked balls. We knew the draft was deep in O-line pickings. And as much as I love the improvement on defense, it couldn't protect our Franchise QB.
And now, we may have just shit away 60 million instead of 14. We may end up having to draft one of the Three Stooges in April as we are going to now suck for the remainder of the season.

On the upside, personally, unless Sanchez gets injured, I'm going to win my bet with Dummy3 like a mother****er!

Well to be honest I think Pioli must have been thinking Cassel can play behind a bad O-line after watching him in NE last year but he mistakenly underestimated how bad our O-line really was

[KCrockaholic]

This sucks SO much ass. PLEASE don't put that ****ing loser on the football field. I would much, MUCH rather see Croyle or Guitierrez taking snaps with the 1's.

Well, what he we learned boys and girls? I'll tell you what I've learned:

Scott Pioli is NOT a genius as this scenario makes perfectly clear. We had our Franchise QB for weeks. We knew the O-line sucked balls. We knew the draft was deep in O-line pickings. And as much as I love the improvement on defense, it couldn't protect our Franchise QB.
And now, we may have just shit away 60 million instead of 14. We may end up having to draft one of the Three Stooges in April as we are going to now suck for the remainder of the season.

On the upside, personally, unless Sanchez gets injured, I'm going to win my bet with Dummy3 like a mother****er!

Of course Pioli is not a "genious" But I dont think he ever said he would take us to the promised land in his first year. Give him 3 years, then make a judgement. And trust me...We WILL NOT draft a QB round 1 next year. Thats absurd.

[TRR]

That may be the difference, cause when I went into physical therapy, the therapist, as you know, has to push on the knee to wotk on getting it straight.

My first time in, the therpist pushed, and continued to push, meanwhile, there were 17 "pops", which was the scar tissue being broken up.

She told me that was the most she'd ever heard.

That was, according to my OS, the result of months of neglecting the injury.

I can tell you, the rehab was far more painful that the actual injury.

The bottom line is that your not going to hurt the knee playing with a sprained MCL in a brace than not playing with it.
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[milkman]

The bottom line is that your not going to hurt the knee playing with a sprained MCL in a brace than not playing with it.
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Well then, I'll take your word on that.

[Coogs]

This is exactly what I'm thinking. If a more stationary target like Croyle stays back there, we might not have a first down until mid-3rd quarter. We're just going to have to make the best out of a bad situation.....

Croyle is not exactly slow.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Of course Pioli is not a "genious" But I dont think he ever said he would take us to the promised land in his first year. Give him 3 years, then make a judgement. And trust me...We WILL NOT draft a QB round 1 next year. Thats absurd.

I never said anything about the promised land, this is about some BAD decision-making that has potentially fucked our season if not made it unwatchable.

[CoMoChief]

Croyle is a much better option than Thiggy

[KCrockaholic]

This is exactly what I'm thinking. If a more stationary target like Croyle stays back there, we might not have a first down until mid-3rd quarter. We're just going to have to make the best out of a bad situation.....

If this was the case we might as well play wildcat the entire game with Johnson and Charles.

[Gravedigger]

Looks like its Croyle for game 1 and 2 again, hopefully he lasts.

[CaliforniaChief]

I never said anything about the promised land, this is about some BAD decision-making that has potentially ****ed our season if not made it unwatchable.

Seriously everyone relax....even QB's with good offensive lines take hits. Cassel took lots of hits last year and got up pretty much every time. This was one where his leg got tweaked. Better now than later, IMO.

[KCrockaholic]

Seriously everyone relax....even QB's with good offensive lines take hits. Cassel took lots of hits last year and got up pretty much every time. This was one where his leg got tweaked. Better now than later, IMO.

I kind of feel the same way. This isnt a big issue. Its not 2-4 months guys, its 2-4 weeks.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Seriously everyone relax....even QB's with good offensive lines take hits. Cassel took lots of hits last year and got up pretty much every time. This was one where his leg got tweaked. Better now than later, IMO.

Well, we can hope for the best(and I will), but I would hope even more that Pioli has his pickup list prepared for first and second cuts.

[WildTurkey]

I kind of feel the same way. This isnt a big issue. Its not 2-4 months guys, its 2-4 weeks.

It's not like anyone was expecting to beat Baltimore week one anyways right

[KCrockaholic]

It's not like anyone was expecting to beat Baltimore week one anyways right

I dont expect it. Of course I would love to see a well played game though.

[CoMoChief]

FWIW I love watching the Bears completely destroy the Broncos.

[WildTurkey]

I dont expect it. Of course I would love to see a well played game though.

as would I, which is exactly why Thigpen should not be anywhere near the starting lineup for the chiefs at any point

[KCrockaholic]

FWIW I love watching the Bears completely destroy the Broncos.

haha, same here.

[CaliforniaChief]

FWIW I love watching the Bears completely destroy the Broncos.

TRUTH!!!!!

[KCrockaholic]

as would I, which is exactly why Thigpen should not be anywhere near the starting lineup for the chiefs at any point

Mr. Krabs just loves the Thigpen hate.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

as would I, which is exactly why Thigpen should not be anywhere near the starting lineup for the chiefs at any point

This-squared.

[splatbass]

Cassel will be fine to play Week 1 If he wants to.
Posted via Mobile Device

I think that is up to Haley, not Cassel.

[CaliforniaChief]

Arguing that Thigpen should start over Gutierrez is plausible.
Arguing that Thigpen should start over Croyle is problematic.
Arguing that Thigpen is a better QB than Matt Cassel is insanity.

[booger]

Sunday Night Injury Update
August 30, 2009 - Bob Gretz | Comments (2)

Sometime Monday afternoon we should get a clearer picture on the status of injuries suffered by QB Matt Cassel, CB Brandon Flowers and WR Devard Darling.

Coaches and players were unavailable to the media on Sunday as they begin a very short week in preparation of Thursdsay’s pre-season finale in St. Louis. The team will practice Monday morning; afterwards Todd Haley will speak to the media. Details will more than likely remain scarce.

Yahoo.com reported Sunday evening that Cassell could miss two to four weeks with a strained medial collateral ligament. However, the web report said it was Cassel’s right knee, when the injury was to his left leg. The information came supposedly from “a source within the Chiefs organization.” The injury is not expected to require surgery.

Various media outlets reported other details about Cassel and Darling’s injuries without providing attribution. If you want that information then we’ll let you do the search. Both players suffered injuries to their left legs in Saturday night’s game against Seattle. There’s been no speculation on Flowers’ left shoulder that he injured in the first quarter.
http://www.bobgretz.com/

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Thigpen up here <---------------------------



Serious question; are you learning disabled?

[KCrockaholic]

I think that is up to Haley, not Cassel.

Todd wants to win, bad. He will do whatever he feels will bring us closest to winning the game.

[LaChapelle]

Will Looney be a floater in the Missouri. Or incased in concrete in some concourse at Arrowhead?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Will Looney be a floater in the Missouri. Or incased in concrete in some concourse at Arrowhead?

LMAO Is he furiously back-peddling? On his way to KCI with FBI escort?

[booger]

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[DaneMcCloud]

You'll have to forgive me if I take my orthopedic surgeon's word on this as well as my wife's who is a physical therapist.
Posted via Mobile Device

Dude, I tore my MCL two years ago in a bicycle accident. My thigh suffered so much hematoma that it 4 weeks of icing 24-7 before I could even get an MRI. Once I was diagnosed with the tear, it took 5 months before I could even hit the exercise bike, let alone walk or run.

The point is that all MCL injuries are different. Cassel may be out for 2 week, 4 weeks or 16 weeks.

No one will know for a while.

[KCDC]

So, I think it goes like this:

1) Haley thinks our O-Line can't protect his QBs (no surprise). Thigpen has a better chance of surviving the next few weeks than Croyle, until the line gets solidified when we pick up better OL off of waivers from other teams.

2) Gailey will come to TT's rescue. Just like after the Atlanta fiasco, Gailey will be permitted to open up the offense to see what TT can do, while they give Gutes a good workout.

3) Haley knows Brodie is a better classic QB, but why risk him now. See what TT can do to set up the trade scenario in Step 5.

4) By allowing TT to have a game plan more suited to his spread style, TT has a good game against the Rams. They start him against the Ravens so that their defense can chase TT rather than Cassel or Croyle. Gutes is still in the picture.

5) Hopefully, TT survives Ravens game, Cassel is ready to take back over. Pioli now trades TT for a 3rd round pick (if TT excels) or a 5th rounder (if he doesn't). That restores Cassel/Croyle/Gutes scenario and gets a pick to boot.

6) The use of the spread for TT does not impair Cassel, as he is used in a spread for the first few games to allow him to avoid being crushed by defenders.

7) Once our OL stiffens (if ever) and Cassel's knee is fine, Gailey will rachet back to more traditional offense for Cassel. If Cassel goes down, it will be Brodie that will be ready to step in, with Gutes ready for the inevitable Croyle injury to follow.

That is why TT will be "named" the starter, I think.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

So, I think it goes like this:

1) Haley thinks our O-Line can't protect his QBs (no surprise). Thigpen has a better chance of surviving the next few weeks than Croyle, until the line gets solidified when we pick up better OL off of waivers from other teams.

2) Gailey will come to TT's rescue. Just like after the Atlanta fiasco, Gailey will be permitted to open up the offense to see what TT can do, while they give Gutes a good workout.

3) Haley knows Brodie is a better classic QB, but why risk him now. See what TT can do to set up the trade scenario in Step 5.

4) By allowing TT to have a game plan more suited to his spread style, TT has a good game against the Rams. They start him against the Ravens so that their defense can chase TT rather than Cassel or Croyle. Gutes is still in the picture.

5) Hopefully, TT survives Ravens game, Cassel is ready to take back over. Pioli now trades TT for a 3rd round pick (if TT excels) or a 5th rounder (if he doesn't). That restores Cassel/Croyle/Gutes scenario and gets a pick to boot.

6) The use of the spread for TT does not impair Cassel, as he is used in a spread for the first few games to allow him to avoid being crushed by defenders.

7) Once our OL stiffens (if ever) and Cassel's knee is fine, Gailey will rachet back to more traditional offense for Cassel. If Cassel goes down, it will be Brodie that will be ready to step in, with Gutes ready for the inevitable Croyle injury to follow.



8) Chiefs fans who love and respect the game of football will put revolvers to their heads after watching Thigshit play two games.

[Reerun_KC]

2) Gailey will come to TT's rescue. Just like after the Atlanta fiasco, Gailey will be permitted to open up the offense to see what TT can do, while they give Gutes a good workout.

.

That was the best part of your post... I was laughing so hard, I started crying..

To see what he can do? R U serious? Last night was a perfect example of Thigpens play...

[BWillie]

Yes, but if Brokie gets snapped in half (which is very likely) then the Chiefs goes down to Thigpen and Gutierrez.

Not exactly promising.

I think people vastly overrate the premise that thinner players get injured more. While it is somewhat true - people are acting like Brodie Croyle will be dead if he plays one snap. He's a football player, and while injury prone, it probably has little to due with how much he weighs. I think luck and just having a knack to be able to fall gracefully w/out getting hurt are more important.

[Thig Lyfe]

Paging Dr. Chicken Salad Master.http://arrowheadaddict.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/printers.jpg

THIGPEN/PRINTERS WILDCAT

:drool:

[Reerun_KC]

THIGPEN/PRINTERS HOUSECAT

:drool:

FYP

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

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"We call it ridin' the Thiggy TRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIINNNNNN"!











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[Coach]

I think people vastly overrate the premise that thinner players get injured more. While it is somewhat true - people are acting like Brodie Croyle will be dead if he plays one snap. He's a football player, and while injury prone, it probably has little to due with how much he weighs. I think luck and just having a knack to be able to fall gracefully w/out getting hurt are more important.

Nah, he won't be dead if he plays just one snap. It's just that his past injury history, combined with his skinny body frame and the poor pass-protection, his chances of playing through the Baltimore game is very low, assuming he starts the Baltimore game.

[Chiefs=Champions]

He lost me at Thigpen starting... I call BS ...

[KcMizzou]

He lost me at Thigpen starting... I call BS ...No shit.

If Cassel does have to miss a game or two, they'd better have Brodie in there.

He may be fragile, but at least he can throw a decent pass. Hell, I'd put Gutierez in before Thiggy.

[LaChapelle]

Thigpen missed the last game because he was hurt. Cassel's out and Brokie is the most durable :eek:

[BWillie]

No shit.

If Cassel does have to miss a game or two, they'd better have Brodie in there.

He may be fragile, but at least he can throw a decent pass. Hell, I'd put Gutierez in before Thigpen.

Depends if we are operating almost exclusively out of the spread or not. Like it or not, Thigpen put is in position to win some games last year and the defense just didn't pull through. Sure he sucked in his first three games, but once we changed up the offense, we started scoring points. The guy had 386 rushing yards in like 13 games last year, and we know he can take a hit. Last time I checked, we have the same offensive coordinator. Thiggy should get the start if they run out of the spread IMO.

[raybec 4]

I'm afraid Thigpen fucked us cause now even Jack Of The River won't want his stupid ass

[LaChapelle]

Depends if we are operating almost exclusively out of the spread or not. Like it or not, Thigpen put is in position to win some games last year and the defense just didn't pull through. Sure he sucked in his first three games, but once we changed up the offense, we started scoring points. The guy had 386 rushing yards in like 13 games last year, and we know he can take a hit. Last time I checked, we have the same offensive coordinator. Thigpen should get the start if they run out of the spread IMO.

.

[LaChapelle]

Huard's 1 good season

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Huard's 1 good season

No shit. Thiggy looked like a lost 4 year-old pissing his pants in a Wal Mart aisle without his 'Tony-Blanky'.

God damn that fucking Hobbit.

[Stinger]

Croyle is not exactly slow.

He is slow to heal ....... :D


Although if Kelly is wearing the nurse outfit I might be slow to heal as well.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Dont know if this has been discussed, but what if Pioli and Co. are exaggerating on the length of time he will be out, I mean the Pats do it all the time, and so the Ravens cant just cant fully prepare for Matt Cassel. I know im prolly reaching, but i can dream cant I.

[R&GHomer]

I think people vastly overrate the premise that thinner players get injured more. While it is somewhat true - people are acting like Brodie Croyle will be dead if he plays one snap. He's a football player, and while injury prone, it probably has little to due with how much he weighs. I think luck and just having a knack to be able to fall gracefully w/out getting hurt are more important.

I have nothing to back this up, but I'm with you. I have known many gymnasts, martial arts experts and motocross racers.... Damn I've seen some F'uped shite that they just bounce back up from. Learning and understanding how to absorb a hit is paramount. A sixth sense if you will

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Dude, I tore my MCL two years ago in a bicycle accident. My thigh suffered so much hematoma that it 4 weeks of icing 24-7 before I could even get an MRI. Once I was diagnosed with the tear, it took 5 months before I could even hit the exercise bike, let alone walk or run.

The point is that all MCL injuries are different. Cassel may be out for 2 week, 4 weeks or 16 weeks.

No one will know for a while.

I only have one thing to say to Cassel:

http://i26.tinypic.com/5n3d5d.jpg

[googlegoogle]

PLAY BRODY CROYLE!!!!! i don't understand why everyone is down on him. He's made all the tough throws.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I only have one thing to say to Cassel:



I never saw that movie. WTF is he saying?

[WildTurkey]

Dont know if this has been discussed, but what if Pioli and Co. are exaggerating on the length of time he will be out, I mean the Pats do it all the time, and so the Ravens cant just cant fully prepare for Matt Cassel. I know im prolly reaching, but i can dream cant I.

Call me a dreamer too, but I def think this is a possibility.

[Huffman83]

I never saw that movie. WTF is he saying?

Heh...I saw it and can't remember!

[Psyko Tek]

Why in the blue hell is Thigpen expected to start?

Where is this crap coming from?

CAUSE IF YOU PUT BRODIE OUT THERE CHANCES ARE THIGGY'S COMING IN THE SECOND QUARTER

sorry just noticed caps lock

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

CAUSE IF YOU PUT BRODIE OUT THERE CHANCES ARE THIGGY'S COMING IN THE SECOND QUARTER

sorry just noticed caps lock

BULLSHIT.

BULL

FUCKING

SHIT.

Bench that fucking Hobbit for the good of ALL Chiefs Nation.

[Tribal Warfare]

I know I'll get crucified by stating this, but wouldn't it be ironic if Brodie lights it up and dethrones Cassel and stay healthy at the sametime. I have this hunch that Brodie might just turn it around and and get the offense moving.

Now precede with the "Brokie" jokes

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I know I'll get crucified by stating this, but wouldn't it be ironic if Brodie lights it up and dethrones Cassel and stay healthy at the sametime. I have this hunch that Brodie might just turn it around and and get the offense moving.

Now precede with the "Brokie" jokes

I'm down. ANYTHING but the PT Barnum Circus Clown Shoe Act. ANYTHING.

[splatbass]

I know I'll get crucified by stating this, but wouldn't it be ironic if Brodie lights it up and dethrones Cassel and stay healthy at the sametime. I have this hunch that Brodie might just turn it around and and get the offense moving.

Now precede with the "Brokie" jokes

I don't think he'll dethrone someone making that much money, but I do think he can play well and isn't as fragile as people think. His injuries last year were more bad luck than anything. I would start him and see. People here tend to be drama queens.

[Tribal Warfare]

I don't think he'll dethrone someone making that much money, but I do think he can play well and isn't as fragile as people think. His injuries last year were more bad luck than anything. I would start him and see. People here tend to be drama queens.

Haley has stated that he doesn't give a shit about contracts, and unlike most coaches I believe Haley will hold this belief to be true if Cassel can't fully recover this season.

[Micjones]

This really disgusts me.

I can't believe they went out and swung a trade to bring the guy in, gave him $60M+, and didn't spend a little more to protect him. Just doesn't make sense.

And that's not to say that with better protection he couldn't still have gotten injured (this is Pro Football), but certainly the odds are significantly better.

So now what?
He's injured for a short period of time, but surely thay aren't going to trot him out there behind the same group of O-Linemen. Someone needs to get on the phone with Mark Tauscher, Jon Runyan, or Levi Jones. Start Ndukwe over McIntosh. Something... We need a change.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

This really disgusts me.

I can't believe they went out and swung a trade to bring the guy in, gave him $60M+, and didn't spend a little more to protect him. Just doesn't make sense.

And that's not to say that with better protection he couldn't still have gotten injured (this is Pro Football), but certainly the odds are significantly better.

So now what?
He's injured for a short period of time, but surely thay aren't going to trot him out there behind the same group of O-Linemen. Someone needs to get on the phone with Mark Tauscher, Jon Runyan, or Levi Jones. Start Ndukwe over McIntosh. Something... We need a change.

GoChiefs is breaking down the line right now and let me tell you; it is a suck-fest. BIG TIME.

[googlegoogle]

Croyle is a much better option than Thigpen

yes

[philfree]

This really disgusts me.

I can't believe they went out and swung a trade to bring the guy in, gave him $60M+, and didn't spend a little more to protect him. Just doesn't make sense.

And that's not to say that with better protection he couldn't still have gotten injured (this is Pro Football), but certainly the odds are significantly better.

So now what?
He's injured for a short period of time, but surely thay aren't going to trot him out there behind the same group of O-Linemen. Someone needs to get on the phone with Mark Tauscher, Jon Runyan, or Levi Jones. Start Ndukwe over McIntosh. Something... We need a change.

I guess Haley figured our o linemen where so poorly coached that his staff could make a difference and coach these guys up. I hope he learned something as a young HC. If it looks like poop and smells like poop it's poop and nothing anyone does will change that.

PhilFree:arrow:

[CHIEFS58]

This makes me sick to my stomach.

[DTLB58]

He lost me at Thigpen starting... I call BS ...

I agree, Especially after what Haley said about Thigpen's play Saturday night in his presser after the game.

I say Brodie starts week 1. Even if Cassel can walk on it he may not have the mobility needed.

[LaChapelle]

All NFL teams will take the team leaders out with some kind of injury. It's a plot to get Obama's socialist health care to pass/DC wack jobs

[Reerun_KC]

This makes me sick to my stomach.


Sure puts a dampner on the season opener that is for sure... A loss is a loss, but to go out there with Thigpen is an embarrasement.

I dont mind losing, Shit I am a Chiefs fan, we know all about losing. But to open the season with Thigpen, it is almost as an insult to fans as when Huard opened the season for Herm his first year... What a Joke that was...

[58-4ever]

Ok, I'm ready to get pounded for this statement, but: Maybe Todd and his staff have a superb plan and we will come out victorious in Baltimore. Hell, it's week one, have some optimism.. Ok, now I'm ready for my ass pounding...

[Easy 6]

Its not for any kind of good reason, but i still get a kick out of seeing ESPN actually talk about the Chiefs, we've been at the very bottom of their to-do list for so long that coverage of ANYTHING about us has a big novelty value for me.

[Bane]

Yeah so ESPN just said 2 different things about who our week 1 starter would be.They said Thigpen is expected to start week 1.The segment right after said our plan all along was to sit Brodie last week,play him more this week against the rams and that he would be our starter week 1.:hmmm:

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Yeah so ESPN

That's as far as I got...

[Easy 6]

Yeah so ESPN just said 2 different things about who our week 1 starter would be.They said Thigpen is expected to start week 1.The segment right after said our plan all along was to sit Brodie last week,play him more this week against the rams and that he would be our starter week 1.:hmmm:

They & everyone else can only guess at it.

Pioli will play this one straight outta the Pats handbook.

[Tribal Warfare]

im more this week against the rams and that he would be our starter week 1.

They were talking to Doug Stewart of 810 stated that

[Pasta Little Brioni]

The ONLY reason they are saying Thigpen would start week 1 is because he came in for Cassel after the injury. They have been rotating the backup QB's and it was Thigpen's turn as the number 2. Next week might be different. My money would be on Croyle starting if Cassel can't go.

[sparkky]

there's not enough Viagra available on the internet to "stiffen" our Oline.
nor is there enough to keep our qb's erect.
nor is there enough to keep our rb's from going down in the backfield.

ya know what all the KC 2009 qb's have in common?

FOREST LAWN

Croyle or Thiggy won't matter, it'll be Thiggy soon enough cause he's the only one that can move fast enough to survive long.

if the Oline's blocking record was their driving record the GEICO lizard wouldn't touch em with a 10' liability policy.

[wild1]

They are not going to start Thigpen over Croyle. Calm down.

We're lucky Cassel is only expected miss 1 week of the regular season. I guess he may have been killed by the Ravens anyway, given the pathetic offensive line.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

They are not going to start Thigpen over Croyle. Calm down.

We're lucky Cassel is only expected miss 1 week of the regular season. I guess he may have been killed by the Ravens anyway, given the pathetic offensive line.

The coaches likely haven't decided yet, but Yahoo Sports knows that it is Thigpen!!!! I do agree with you that it would be Brodie.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

the only reason Yahoo sport is saying that is because Thigpen came in after Cassel got injured. When in reality, the plan was never to play Brodie, they wanted to give Thigpen a extended look.

[58-4ever]

the only reason Yahoo sport is saying that is because Thigpen came in after Cassel got injured. When in reality, the plan was never to play Brodie, they wanted to give Thigpen a extended look.
Exactly... I'm sure we'll see plenty of Croyle in the next game...